₦airaland Forum

IbeOkehie:
Good thing Nigerians going to the West now are learning to do manual work like landscaping, computer wiring/network setups, auto mechanics and mobile car wash, cooking food and selling from their homes, sewing clothes & shoe repair, so having papers is not even as much a problem as before. Honestly I wish I had such skills when I arrived here, life would have been a lot easier. There's a woman who sells Nigerian food that we patronize often, we buy like one week worth of food at a time. When you go to pick up at her home you can see they're VERY BUSY. There's one or two more people that have opened walk up - carry out restaurants. They cater parties too. A Nigerian mobile car washer cleaned my car last week, he came to the office and did it. Who needs Green Card to do these?

Indeed, who needs a green card for these. Then again who wants to do these. Depends on your condition leaving Nigeria though

sokeril:
Not against traveling per say o but for people who have something doing in Nigeria and are doing well why abandoning it to japaa?

That's the dilemma - possibility of going from a privileged life to a life of 2nd class citizenship!

MT:
I hope you know it is one thing to have papers, it is another thing to make money. There are many people with papers that are homeless. Having paper is not the end itself, it is a means to the end.

Well said. All these homeless people videos and photos you keep seeing abroad are mostly people who have been citizens right from birth - didn't prevent them becoming extremely poor!

grandstar:
Dey no wan hear word.

They say those telling them abroad no easy make dey come back to Naija come suffer if what they are saying is true

I know, right? Same reason people don’t leave a bad marriage - it's not as simple as it seems!

grandstar:
I believe next year things will improve drastically for the economy with Buhari gone and the Naira made flexible again.

I just hope corporate tax can be reduced to 15%. I also hope the oil subsidy is gone for good.

With both measures, the economy could easily grow an average of 8% per annum for a decade. This will create lots of jobs and unemployment and underemployment rates would both plummet.

If commercial bank lending rate can be in single digits, growth could easily hit 9-10% annually which is transformative.

Good optimistic analysis. H'about now?

Brandiebird:
What is this one ranting about? You get work? You got money? Do you have a home? Abeg KYS if you don’t want to play by the rules of life! We are animals and we do have to procreate and move humanity forward otherwise get high, Bleep bitches and die! You taking life too serious. Use the time you have to act instead of using it to think. You haven’t discovered anything new, you’re just butt hurt at reality so grow up and move on. Or… KYS it’s that simple.

If you "bleep bitches" you'll get a disease. And you can't even do that except prostitutes. If you get high - health issues, kidney, liver, cancer, heart attack...
Having said that, life is beautiful, and it's a real privilege to have healthy life. And you don’t need all those things - just being is fun, just the feeling of being alive and healthy!

Ajalalomo:
I am not worried about AI at all because I know my job is safe. Or you think AI will clean a septic tank.

I only concern about the economy, not AI because people will poop more as they eat more, which will bring in more money for me.

Oh you're into poop! Then you don't have to worry about AI at all. AI doesn't do poop

Intrepid01:
Only if you kids knew better you will keep quiet, watch and learn.

I don't want to call you a blithering idiotic mumu who doesn't know what he is yapping about!

Yaks02:
Visitors visa isn't really good enough, but if u trust ur friends then it's ok

My friends over there are the ones advocating delay

sukkot:
hehe truthfully its all about spirituality and contentment . cuz i know many unhappy people who have it all

Well, I think I got all the spirituality and contentment I need. What I want now is what your family got - to be able to go abroad on weekends as I wish without considering cost!

ariesbull:
Those in Europe and USA are living on borrowed lives and credit

How can people be paying debts till their 80's
Ordinary boxers they buy with credit cards
Ordinary cars that we buy in Nigeria directly they buy via credit card
Ordinary phone they buy through credit
The whole thing is rat race... They live all their lives in credit and depression

Well that's why those countries are rich. All that credit adds to the general economic activity. You don’t have to save forever to buy stuff. They give it to you on credit because they know who you are and your credit worthiness. In Naija it's impossible because no reliable data base of individuals as to who they are!

hardayemmie:
The Japa mentality don enter a lot of people's head. Even those wey go through study visa self no get joy last last.

To leave home country you must be calculative otherwise, you will regret it.

That's what all in the know say. But it's very hard to be calculative when you already have your ticket and the ground is burning under your feet!

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bepositive11:
When you think about a black American, what's the first thing that comes to your mind? For most of us, it's drugs, shootings, fatherless homes, single mothers, aggressive behavior, prison history, and so on. Why will they not be perceived as second class citizens?

Easy o!
Remember their ancestors were forcefully taken over there and ENSLAVED. Then they had to face continuing discrimination and segregation. Cut them a slack!

fkj950ax:
Get away with stuff because I have money
Be happier because there is cheap labor around me.

And we wonder why our society is failing?

I don’t want that to be my contribution to any society, abroad or Nigeria

Well, it's true. I can hire a cook and a driver right now, how much more when I'm making 1.5m a month. Impossible abroad! Also I can get away with just about anything. If our politicians were abroad, 90% of them would be in jail!

SpyChild:
It’s as easy as that if you are focused. During survival mode years abroad, was able to stack that amount comfortably, not to talk of now. I think I should really put up a post and enlighten folks.

Why not do just that? Put up a post and enlighten us!

bepositive11:
Japa is more than just about saving money. It's about political stability, economic stability, social security, and so on.

You cannot build wealth with an average job in any country in this world. You need to become a top executive or run your own business or invest in lucrative assets.

I think this is quite right. Which is why I'd always be an entrepreneur even with a regular job

hopefullight:
If you are illegal or low income earner with no potentials, over 45+ ...
I live in Germany and save more than 2k monthly as a tech guy, although I plan to switch to finance. So it depends on your status.

Wow, you into tech just like me. What part of tech you into?
2K in what currency? That's 24K a year. Not bad at all

AkhereOkaka:
Are you this deluded, live in Europe without papers? I can talk of Europe cause I have been living and working in Italy since 2016, came back from Nigeria 3weeks ago, though things are tough in Nigeria currently (I mean cost of living) but it is worse off living in Europe undocumented (without papers).

This is what people abroad say. But people in Nigeria say Italy, Canada, etc are heaven even if you don't have paper!

sukkot:
I am sure you would not step into the ghettos of America and Europe. the world is a ghetto. just find your little safe space

The bolded is actually very true. Even the universe itself is a VERY violent, hostile place. We just live in a minuscule part of it that is not so hostile

AkhereOkaka:
I live in Milan, Italy. Have a friend in Northern Italy he's been in the Asylum route for 7years asylum declined including appeal. And when you're not documented (have your papers) you can't work, rent apartment n access to medical and other benefit.

Asylum route is not advisable.
Alot of Nigerians are suffering in Asylum camps in Europe and stuck.

See my post and screenshot above, meanwhile you're working legally, and may find "way" before you have to face asylum judge!

AkhereOkaka:
Do you know how the asylum process works? Sometimes people come online to say what they know little or nothing about.
I won't advise anyone to seek asylum, though I currently live in Milan Italy, have a friend who migrated to UK six years ago seeked asylum and currently his asylum has be rejected including appeal. Passing the asylum route is not advisable anywhere.

The whole idea behind seeking asylum is NOT so you'll go before a judge. It is that it takes years to adjudicate, meanwhile you're working legally in the country, and find "ways" long before you have to face asylum judge!
See below

fkj950ax:
People living outside Nigeria do so for many reasons and not because of money only. Better lifestyle. Stability. Free education for children. Access to quality passport or citizenship that provides greater opportunity in future.
In Nigeria you may appear privileged, but you will still endure the generators and area boys and bad roads and insecurity and substandard lifestyle and over priced lousy education and so many other nonsense.

Abroad also has it's own problems. Plus, with generator, inverter, solar, and living in gated community, you'd actually be happier in Naija because of cheap labour and because you can get away with stuff if you have money - which is not the case abroad

sukkot:
yes Sir. my destiny is in nigeria. my mission is in nigeria

Well, PBAT did exactly that too. See where it got him

IreneJane:
The money will invested in my business and I don't need to knacking here and there looking for documents for PR. I can be going a week conference, 2 weeks holiday when my business boom. Abroad no easy bro , except there is a secure job waiting for me there.

My own is settled. Canada, oh Canada! My future hometown. Only when, not if

pimplucious:
See people writing rubbish. There loads of people in UK who don’t even earn up to $20,000 per annum. And this is for real

We here in Nigeria don't believe so. We KNOW countries like UK are easy money, $80K per year and up!

Johnrake69:
Living illegally abroad is hell. No even reason am

Well most people in Nigeria don't think so. Even if it is Lybia through dessert

sukkot:
I have lived in america, uk, canada, germany, cypprus, france, belgium, amsterdam AND i have come to the conclusion that its all rubbish. all that second class citizenship living ? is not for me. so understand that you are talking to a man who has lived abroad for over 2 decades. you are speaking to EXPERIENCE not some wet behind the ear kid

sukkot:
i was young and had no direction in life. this started at age 18 when my parents got divorced. so i became like a nomadic person

and the reason i was able to do this is because i can walk into any country with my passport. no immigration problems whatsoever. thats the beauty of a british passport. you can enter anywhere and live

Wow, you have a UK passport and you choose to live in Nigeria. Food for thought

TheAdvocate:
It's done. NAF are presently doing aerial bombardments in Zamfara & IPOB/ESN infiltrated areas.
I see in you, a sympathizer for them.

I am not a sympathizer to anybody, just being realistic.
There are Christians in Gaza and the vast majority of Muslims in Gaza just want to live their lives and raise their children

ttoyetade:
I have followed Nigeria situation for a long time, but it keeps on getting worse. So thats why many people japa.
The exchange rate tells the whole story . If one have a good means of leaving Nigeria, it is better to leave.

But what if your earnings are tied to dollar or inflation?

Ekpekus:
They accommodate the asylum seekers and care for them until there is a hearing of their case regarding the asylum. If the judge is not convinced by your story, they reject you straight.

Yeah but that'd take years and by then, if you're enterprising, you'd have found way or "ways". See below

highchief1:
I make 500k weekly yet I can’t call myself a big man.

You can’t call yourself big man but your moniker is HIGH CHIEF!😆