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firstEVA:
u must have heard someone make reference to them, now confess

Nothing to confess to. I just scripted what came to me.
Inside your pants isn't my target, so there's no motive to lie.
I want your soul.

firstEVA:
holup!!!

Where did you see the eyes biko?

Nowhere actually. Was I right with the eyes?

firstEVA:
this account has been hacked, I think I know who hacked it

How do you mean?

The light in the room dampens
As the floodlight illuminates from your gaze
It's like a noiseless fireworks.
And I'm spellbound.
Moments as these are rare
Let's make it last.
Dear firstEVA

firstEVA:
lol

I actually went to readjust my skirt, I want nothing standing in the way of a full display of my curves.

Your curves are well appreciated. They're distinct enough even in a free flowing robe. You're that beautiful and charming. You can seduce without even trying.

But I seem more taken by your eyes;
The strongest of your physical endowments.
I seem lost in the depth of her glazed stare.
They hold up in their illumination all the glory of your beautiful soul.

firstEVA:
where did you make the reservation, hotel or eatery?

Eatery of course. Watching you eat is far more pleasurable than watching the sun set over the Amazon river.

She whispers to be excused to the ladies. But then she's taking a while. Maybe perfecting her makeup or checking herself one more time in the restroom mirror.

You look ravishing @ firstEVA. Let me be your mirror.

firstEVA:
lol, I'm here dear

Oh, there she is! Looking radiant under the rays of the light. If you don't mind, I'll take your hand while I show you to our table.

firstEVA:
I thought you were done chatting

I was far from done. I wanted to chat all night with you.

We have a date by 3pm



***modified at 3pm
Empty table with my date missing....

Thank you for accepting my apologies.
No one is indeed perfect or have all the answers.
The scriptures isn't very straight forward. I believe GOD in HIS infinite wisdom allowed such that even satan read it and didn't fully understand and he had to murder CHRIST, falling into a trap set for him by GOD.

(1 corinthians 2:7-8

True, the old testament has many obsolete laws and because of this many christians have unduly indulge themselves in cutting out many old testament laws that still stands.
The feasts, sacrifices, offerings, laws of cleanliness and purification, and all other such distinctive outward commandment were abolished.

The 10 comandments which is ofthe old testament stands. And this is a reflection of GOD's moral law. And every other law that CHRIST didn't single out still stands.
Must people still ignore the sabbath even though this is clearly in the commandments and repeated several times through out scripture. But I won't talk about sabbath, it is quite beyond the scope of this thread.
CHRIST came to fulfill the law and not to abolish it. In other words, HE came to put straight that which isn't clear like polygamy or cancel by fulfilling, like sacrifices, purification requirements, etc.
(Matt 5:17-19)

Even when GOD deliberately singled the jews out to make as an example, to display HIS glory to other nations, other non-Jew's were practising GOD's law together with the Jews. The Jews were only an outreach to the entire human race.

The term "modern day Christians" has no biblical backing.The Word of GOD is live! Applicable for all times. It is behind us, right in front of us and ahead of us. It foretells what hasn't even come to be. GOD's moral law is completely unchangeable!


Now to fully understand marriage, there are many scriptures to visit and understand. There are many principles to understand. And you cannot visit marriage without going back to the first marriage and the principle of creation.

Heaven is like earth in many ways, I believe. That's why we as children of GOD are going through purification of soul and character so we might be fit to be entrusted with the charge of GOD's house.
The same vain, marriage was likened to the relationship between man and Christ. HIS blood has been shared and we are HIS. When a man fulfills a marriage right, the woman become his. It's a covenant irrevocable.

The quoted scriptures in Mark 10 : 11 cannot be used in assuming that a woman can divorce her husband over infidelity. It was only a repetition of matt 19:8. Matthew 5:32 is clear. The word "man" did not represent both genders.

In Genesis, GOD fought twice for Abraham, that his wife Sarah might not be defiled by two powerful kings at doffered occasions. Even though Abraham and Sarah were both careless. Now the case was different when Sarah proposed to Abraham her servant girl. GOD didn't intervene.
Even the GODless kings of Egypt and Cannan knew that once a woman is taken in marriage, it is final, save for death of her husband. Hence Abraham tried to save his life by passing as a brother to his wife Sarah. Because he knew that as long as he is alive, no one can marry his wife or defile her without serious spiritual consequences. Even the pagan gods were not neutral in this.


“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

This is the 10th of the 10 commandment. It's implicative meaning is this: woman was created for man and belongs to man. And LOOK VERY CRITICALLY AT 1 CORINTHIANS 7: 10-11 ....IF SHE DOES LEAVE HIM LET HER REMAIN SINGLE OR BE RECONCILED TO HER HUSBAND.And appostle paul said, this command is from the LORD! ....verse 39 " A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives."
Paul's advice in 1cor 10:15 is only an advice as he stressed he didn't have a direct command from the LORD.

This teachings are hard to swallow because of the human heart which is baked hard in the furnace of pride.
As our relationship is with CHRIST, so it is between husbands and wives.
A woman cannot not just wake up and say she is divorcing her husband over infidelity. She can only separate from him and remain single.
As for men, they can't divorce their wives for any other reason save for infidelity.

Memejem:
I would like to begin my accepting your apology. Thank you.

Nobody is perfect in religion, we are all learning and growing with each others help as well as through discourse.

In regards to my previous statement about the old testament, based on my understanding the old testament as well as the laws contained in them were given to the israelites (jews) and not the gentiles (modern day Christians) as means to govern them and keep them until the promise of a Savior for the world, a descendant from Abraham would be fulfilled. these laws were also put in place to keep the jews as a people distinct from the gentiles.

This was prophesied in the old testament:

Jeremiah 31:31 "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, DECLARES THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH"

In the new testament:

Hebrew 8:13 "when he said "a new covenant" he has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear"

Luke 22:20 " this cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood"

Based on these passages and a few more I was taught that these are some of the reasons why Christians for the most part do not follow the laws of the old testament as least not strictly. Based on the old testament we are not to eat shellfish, work on the sabbath which is actually begins on Friday evening to Saturday evening, but we Christians have moved our day of worship to Sunday. to be honest im not really sure what the truth is as vie heard different interpretations from different pastors and sunday school teachers and the like.

this debate on the rules of the old testament as it relates to Christians is a little controversial and no school or though or branch of the christian religion has come to agreeance over it. At the end of the day, i know that i mostly follow the teachings and laws of the new testament, and draw the wisdom of the old testament as well.

Please where does it say that women can not divorce men? I was told by my pastor that when the bible utilizes the word "he" it is to be interpreted in a plural form as when Jesus or one of the disciples are speaking to a group of people. we should only interpret "he or him" when they are specifically speaking about the male gender. if this isn't the case then the majority of laws and rules in the bible is not applicable to women at all. we have to keep in mind that in the new testament many of the laws regarding divorce was when the pharisees (which were men) were questioning Jesus about divorce and he replied to them. Unfortunately the bible is written as a biography of sorts from the interpretation of the disciples and prophets which were men. (meaning they will ask Jesus questions as it pertains to themselves and will record it as such, which i will add is NOT A PROBLEM TO ME)
Anyways, to the best of my knowledge there is no documented passage where a woman or group of women questioned Jesus about divorce.

But regardless in Mark 10:4-5
"they said "moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away, but jesus said to them. "because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this commandment"

Mark 10:11-12
"and he said to them, whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery"

This is the proof here that Jesus was talking about both sexes and their ability to divorce, though in this particular passage he does not mention the only reason for divorce which is adultery OR abandonment. He mentions that in Matthew 19:9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery" BUT also in Matthew 5:32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery". Like i said before in THIS case this scripture is applicable to both men and women. This is how it has been interpreted by every church ive attended as well as every pastor ive ever asked as well as scriptural teaching i have read online.

and abandonment reason is which is found 1 COR7:15 "Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace,"

in the case of abandonment it is the other spouse who gets the divorce as they do not believe in the covenant of marriage as it pertains to the christian religion

Thanks

Ooooch! You've gone to bed already @ firstEVA

Ok. Catch you later in the day. I'm still far from sleep though.

firstEVA:
ok then.
I'm going back to bed.

Naturally or you thought I'm done chatting with you?

Memejem:
I didn't come poorly researched. I didn't research anything. I stated my opinion just like you are stating yours. Whatever stats you posted there are only related to the population of the United states which is vastly different to the over 200 million people of nigeria whi h has little to no stats available at this time. With a on pretext different ideology and view point of marriage.

I never claimed to be a liberated. That is your judgement. I don't see why you are attacking women for wanting and experience ting to have a faithful husband. You do yourself a disservice by expecting women to tolerate so much higher injustice. Christ allowed for divorce on the grounds of unfaithfulness but you claim women can't divorce? Maybe you should read the Bible again.

Who are you to tell me whether I am a good Christian or not because I disagree with you on one point. Relax. This is just Naira land. We are having a debate, don't conclude on my devotion to a religion as you do not know me all. This is one spectrum of an outlook on one issue.

Anyways I don't want this to turn into hate speech. Let's agree to disagree. It is evident we were raised in different environments with different outlooks on life.

I don't plan on cheating on my husband and never will.i am a follower of Christ and let's leave it at that.

Firstly, my apologies for saying you're not a good Christian. I drew that conclusion from your own error in saying the old testament scriptures I quoted are for jews only. That's flat out wrong.

2ndly, that statistics is universally applicable. Which is more conservative, even in marriage, the US or Nigeria? Even a kid knows Nigeria is much more conservative. So judging from your logic, the satistics will weigh very negatively against devorced women here. And thats a fact! Common sense dictates that a man or woman who can't stay in a first marriage is very unlikely to stay in the 2nd. And for the few percent of 2nd marriages that don't end in another divorce, they chock in infidelity.

Like most women, you speak through your emotions and you are devoid of facts.

You should back up your claims form the bible where women can divorce since we now know that you're a good Christian. Women can ONLY separate from their husbands but can't divorce. Until the death of their husbands, they remain bound to them.

This is not an attack as you claim. It is a statement of fact. And I don't hate women. But I know feminists are millenary nuisance.

And of course most 21st century women have a problem with truth when it comes to their boundaries.

I don't surport maltriment of women in marriage. Don't put that as an accusation against me. I never said that.

What I'm saying is simple enough for the humble, of course.

firstEVA:
soft christian rock? Maybe. But rock generally is a no.

Ok. I thought as much. But we'd go through some during the day. I'll be free from 3pm.

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firstEVA:
hahahahaha, not that way dear postmann, the other way

Then I shouldn't. It is trouble to sexually stimulate you.

Hey firstEVA do you like rock music? Not hard rock of course.
And I mean Christian rock , not secular one.

firstEVA:
of course it would be. I would put my feet on your laps and convince you to draw maps underneath them, that move can burst my brain.


Don't mind me

I'd ask; does it burst your brains in a tickling manner, like touching your armpits? If yes, I may not mind that.

firstEVA:
Lara George and Frank Edwards are good. What of Sinach?

She s very very good. But she tries to be too western with no trace whatsoever of her roots reflecting her music. So she opened herself up against the very best of the best the C.C Winas and Co.

firstEVA:
Hahahaha

Yes dear, then, before I say jack, you tell me how much trouble it is

This way, everyone can breath freely - fresh air.

That wasn't just saying 'jack'. That was going down in details.

But I assume a good evening in your company wold be nice.

True to your word, you wake early, firstEVA.

I slept off by past 9pm woke up shortly after. And can't seem to find sleep.

firstEVA:
ok, but you can answer a quick one 1. what genre?
2. Local or international?

I hardly do local. Though people like Lara George and Frank Edwards found their way into my library for their talent. But I mostly do international. Mostly rock and contemporary. R&B sparingly.

firstEVA:
hahahahaha, you read me again.

we'll just substitute jollof rice for fried rice, then juice for chilled coke. I am not a juice person, not like I forbid it though.



Lol
It's good you are no longer so uptight.


I am fine postmann.

That means our food preference are close enough

Was I ever so uptight?

firstEVA:
Postmann I didn't get to ask you what's your favourite gospel track and artiste.

They are many, my darling!
But we would leave that for later today.

Memejem:
You came here to fight. Quoting and twisting the words of the old testament that is only applicable to jews and not christians for your benefit.

There are divorced women who have remarried and are content in thier marriages. If a man like likes his women fresh and still cheats on his wife then he viewed his wife as an object for sex just as a divorced women as per your logic.

Why are you spewing your opinions as facts? How do you know that most divorced men are not faithful? Have you done a quantitative research on a large sample of divorced men that can aid your misguided theory? I would argue that divorced men are probably more faithful that fist time married men as they are more likely to know what they are looking for in the institution of marriage. If they willingly left a marriage why enter another one if thier goal is promiscuity. But that's just my OPINION. As your epistle was your opinion that I obviously disagree with

I would also argue that the 21st century woman does not view herself as similar to man. they view themselves as different but equal and entitled to the same opportunities available to men. But again that's my humble opinion. Just because you don't agree with the opinions of the women on this thread doesn't mean you should come here and spew your hatred for the female gender as fact.

Quoting Bible verses from the old testament that no longer apply to christians and interpreting them in a way that you beleive make your point. Giving no context to the verses that come before or after it even.

You are a bigot. And don't like accepting the opinions of other people. Which is fine. Nobody is begging you to marry a woman from this century. You acknowledge that cheating is abhorrent but then state give excuses for the reason men cheat as wanting fresh women. Then viciously attack women who cheat as well as divorcees. But in your opinion a cheating woman is worse than a cheating husband. But not in the eyes of God. If you are going to quote the Bible then I suggest you quote from the new testament, that is what christians refer to in this day and age. Which also permits divorce on the grounds of adultery

FYI not all women divorce men do so due to infidelity, some do so due to spousal abuse. And any woman that is repeatedly getting hammered by her husband and beaten day in and day out should divorce that man. He won't change.

Don't let my submission trouble you as is obvious from your reaction. You sounded as if I called you out as I let drop my hot oil.

You're not even a good Christian to begin with, since you claimed that my quoted scriptures are for jews only.

And you claimed I twisted the scripture. Why would I do that?

No, I didn't. I said it like it is and I knew it will infuriate "liberated" women like you.

And you came at me poorly researched. Otherwise there are some things you wouldn't dare say.

You claimed divorced men are more likely to stay in marriage than 1st timers. Well, according to US statistics 50% of 1st marriage survives. While 67% of second, and 73% of third marriages end. I think that relegates your claim of divorcees being more faithful to the trash can.

Oh, I never gave reason for men cheating as wanting his woman fresh. You read wrong. I meant men like their women fresh, so don't always see a divorcee as one.

Look, I put things mildly here. CHRIST came to abolish polygamy and divorce for any other reason other than unfaithfulness.

Now take another bomb: women don't have the power of divorce! They can only be separated from their husbands. And if they do, they are to remain single!!!

CHRIST was speaking to MEN (not women) in Matthew 5:32 and Luke 16:18 when HE was talking about adultery. No woman has the right to divorce her husband and marries another over infidelity.
1 corinthians 7:11 has something also to say.

Now, I guess you'd look for something worse than a bigot to qualify me.

But I tell you the truth. Take back your arrogance. I see much hardship and unfulfilment ahead for feminists.

@ firstEVA, but you don't sound like they are your favourite.

And of course there's nothing wrong spending a good quiet evening with you.
How are you?

firstEVA:
I have nothing against the food dear.

Wonderful to catch you awake at this time.

Reading all the response from the contributing women makes me laugh.

Obviously the 21st century woman has taken her world in one giant stride with illusions and arrogance.

But one thing remains: IT IS A MAN'S WORLD! Pure and simple!

Hate me if you must. Call me a sexist if it makes you happy, but I'll say it like it is.

Men like their women fresh! Untainted most times, or after they've known her. A woman who leaves her husband over infidelity and marries another will soon regret it.
Most men who marry divorced women are not faithful themselves. And the chances of a man finding sexual fulfilment from a divorced woman ONLY is very slim.

The 21st century woman believes she is similar to a man, that there is no difference save for the hairs on his face and body.

But in her arrogance, the bitter truth of life sweeps in from behind.

Even never-married single ladies are having challenges getting married, and we are talking about the married and divorced.

Quit the pride and arrogance ladies! The best slot a divorced woman can get in this era, is a glorified sex partner. Or a P.A to an aged man. Hardly any young man will pitch his sexual tent forever with a divorced woman, even in marriage.

Your best shot most of the time is with the husband of your youth.

And one more thing: It's not the same thing when a man cheats and when a woman cheats.

But the shocking thing is, I've even seen men argue this in the negative. The sexual organs of both sex says it all.
Even deities reacts to a cheating wife.


God says, "If a husband divorces his wife And she goes from him And belongs to another man, Will he still return to her? Will not that land be completely polluted? But you are a harlot with many lovers; Yet you turn to Me," declares the LORD

(Jer 3:1)



If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the LORD. Do not bring sin upon the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.

(Duet 24:1-4)

Now we know polygamy is WRONG. And a cheating husband errs grievously. It's infact a mortal sin. But the above scriptures are HIGHLIGHTS of how abominable is the act of a cheating wife. Even when she was divorced and another man has "touched" her she cannot come back to her husband.

If your pride won't let you stay with your cheating husband, then honorably prepare for celibacy. Or you can choose to end up in a far more shameful union with another man who will eventually seek another woman when he is done exploring what is left of you.

A married woman who spreads her legs for another is a pack of shame before man and spirits.

This is no call for men to cheat or opt for polygamy or even divorce. It is simply a response to a lost breed of women.

firstEVA:


You've made me picture you in the scenario, nice one.

What about the food?

firstEVA:
hmm, nice one, if I male company, preferable a "sweet" being, it would have been more fun

Most definitely. No one likes to be alone for long. Chatting the day away. Same shared taste in music, your favourite food? Troasted chicken? What part? The wings, leg, gizzard? Nothing beats spiced and roasted chicken gizzard. Over warm jollof rice and salad with some cold juice.

I bet the hectic day will be completely forgotten.

menxer:
Hahahahahahahaha
Are you saying "the scripture is given for those it is meant for" that ask no question?

Be not afraid... is it not written "iron sharpens iron", can that happen without a little friction and/or iron fillings falling off?

...come let us reason together.

Afraid? Don't make me laugh.
There are principles:

One, I don't argue scripture
Two, there are basic requirements; that the scripture is without error, the authentic Word of GOD.

It's obvious you don't meet the requirement in #2. And so, we can only argue. I don't argue scripture.

When you asked "who is the author of the text you quote", I'm sorry, but that implies you cannot be considered a Christian in a true, practical sense of the word, and as a result you don't stand on the privileged grace to say "iron sharpens iron"

From your second quote, I could perceive your stance.
You are full of arguments.
But there is no common platform where we could both stand and kick it off.

I'm sorry.

firstEVA:
you should have quoted me.

My day was hectic

How are you cupcake?

Sorry for not quoting you, but I knew you'd find it. That no one else is called by that name; you would know it was for you.

Sorry about your hectic day. You'd definitely need your rest. A nice movie in a dim lit room, while you relax on your couch, a cold juice in hand, with dinner ordered would be wonderful.

I'm fine. My day was alright.

menxer:
How did I dismiss marriage or God in my comment?

Even the scripture you quoted, it was wisdom, free will and discernment at work.

If I may ask who is the author of the test you quoted? God?

How many people did he put to that test?

How would God guide and direct your path without wisdom and discernment?

You seem full of arguments and I won't indulge you.


"Who is the author of the test you wrote"?


What are you trying to imply By that question? You want to question the bible too?

Never mind, the scripture is given for those it is meant for.