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obowunmi:
Nuzo is here --- long time bro!

I'm Hausa, and not ashamed -- I HATE PDP and all Nigerians should too.

DO you also hate your Hausa predecessors who have messed up this country for 38 out of 50 years?

fxtopedia:
Kasiem, my friend, I apologised the other time but to mu utmost consternation you did not acknowledge it. No problem sha.
The issue at hand now, why wishing that Buhari should join the silence ones? More so, why calling his supporters idiots?
Of a truth, I don't expect such from you cos most of your comments show that you are a chriatian.

most of Buhari's supporters are almajiris and illiterates; they are not idiots. Do you think your candidate could have won in the SS and SE? A free and fair election will actually prove whether the north and south can co-exist. The British imposed the north upon the south, even though we are ideologically different. The north needs to merge with Chad and Niger, so that they can practice their Sharia and go to Quranic shools that don't teach "western education." They should rear their cattle and rule over themselves while their women cover their heads and faces like Iranian women, because women have little or no rights under sharia law.

The north has adopted sharia law and is unwilling to practice secular just like the south. I think the north is better with Chad and Niger, so that we southerners can move towards the 21st century with our progressive mindset.

I  know the problem with Buhari and Northerners: they have realized that a free and fair election is not in their favor because they do not have the population to win in a free and fair election. Jonathan knew this, so that is why he, along with Jega, designed an election system that was free and fair. The north have now woken up to reality that their grip upon power may become history, and are still in denial as to that fact.

This election is unlike any election we have had in Nigeria's history; here ballots were openly collated in front of voters. Previously, everything would have been done in secret. Left to northerners, they would prefer such a system, as it gives them the opportunity to rig and rig, just like they have done in previous elections.

People should realize that Jonathan opted for this open-collation system against his parties command, which shows the good and honest character in him. This elections for the first time reflects the desires of voters. For example, in Lagos, they preferred a PDP candidate in a president, and most likely an ACN candidate for governor and ACN candidates in parliamentary elections. It also reflected the choice of the north: Buhari winning in most of the Sharia states.

Did Buhari actually think he could have won in the south-south? I hope not. Because if he did, that would confirm that he has been smoking Indian hemp.

nuzo:
Prince, we are not talking about Bauchi broadcasting service or Gombe radio here.
We are talking about well tailored easy to digest info coming from the stables of VOA, BBC and other international radio stations of which the OP claimed an average illiterate Hausa listens to on a regular basis more than the local radio stations.

Now, are you saying that the same illiterate Housa man is fast to receive and digest info calling for a fight against infidels from a local radio station he barely listens to, than receiving and digesting info from several international radio stations he enjoys listening to several times in a day? Even when the mode of communication is the same?
Am getting more confused.

As to the issue of listening to an info calling them to fight the infidels, that was just a hypothetical to illustrate that you need a sound education so that you can be equipped with the faculties to, when necessary, reason and challenge the things you hear on radio, whether it be from a local radio station or BBC or VOA; and that you just don't need to accept everything you hear, and that people should be able to reason and form their own opinion and challenge authority. You and I know that many of those almajiris would not challenge their emirs and sultans and imams.

You must not know the north very well. Except it is a BBC or VOA station that is broadcast in Hausa language, many people in the north don't understand English, and the ones who do just know the bare minimum, not enough to fully understand any English language broadcast and reason properly.

So what exactly is your point? That education is not necessary? That the "information" you get on radio is sufficient to replace a good basic education, starting from youth, not the Almajiri education in which only the Quran is taught? Clarify.

hercules07:
@Prince

Please look at the list of states Beaf has up there, there are Northern states included, also remember that most the underage voting was done during the NASS elections and who do you think swept those polls in the North?

and what was his allegation as to the cause of his protest in each of the states he listed. as he admitted that children voted for him? and for your info the underage voting occurred during the presidential election. see the link below

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/04/17/purefoy.nigeria.election.split.cnn

why is he not contesting the northern states in which children were registered and were allowed to vote?

Kobojunkie:
Again, we are simply speaking here of listeing to the radio and learning. The information is definitely never on one subject as it varies from time to time and is tailored to the needs of the community at any specific time. I remember listening in with an hausa speaking friend(tried as much to translate the broadcast for my person), on a discussion on women in the community and what they need to know.

The information is tailored and it is presented in the most basic way possible. I also remember listening in with a friend when one of the radio broadcast was about tips for farmers. Some people actually call in to these shows to give advice or ask questions. And those listening gain something from it.

listening to all those stuff on the radio does not solve the issue of illiteracy. the education has to start from youth and should be continuos till you grow up. listening to the radio may provide information, but you need to be literate to be able to think and critique that information. That is why it is easy to spread propaganda through radio to a lot of those almajiris, and they won't critique it.

For instance, you can get on the radio and say fight the infidels because blah blah blah, and you see people take to the streets burning churches.

Kobojunkie:
The reason I ask is because the basic approach to educating people is bombarding them with information. And I find it hard to believe that these individuals could be resistant to information in the way you sort of claim.

It is possible for human beings to learn even when they are not directly paying attention to the information being dispensed. This has been shown to be the case in research after research.
Let's assume you put a man in a room filled with so many distracting details, and maybe sounds, for a week, or two. And in the background, you play information over and over, say information on how to build a table. The suggestion is that this man is bound to have some memory of what he heard as his unconscious will tend to retain it and invoke it when needed.
Listening to the radio at least 3 times a day . . . I have been able to get some silly songs, jungles, useless information stuck in my head that way. This is how I even learnt some of the things I know today. If this does not work on the most part, why would formal education, which is, IMO, simply a structured form of the very same thing? I hope you understand what I mean.

There is a difference between:

(1) the way someone learns ( there are arguably different ways of learning)
(2) the content of what one is learning ( you have to be thought a broad array of subjects so as to make you aware)
(3) the degree of complexity of the content, which presumably should start from the least complex and should progressively get complex as you grow older.
(4) a test to determine whether you have learned these things.
(5) having an instructor to guide you through this process, to correct when you err, and to discipline you
(6) you also have the intangibles, such as interaction with peers and the development of the peer-to-peer relationship, which is presumably part of the learning process

listening to the radio about one subject does not achieve the aforementioned, which are the requisites of a basic education.

Me_Aboki:
Honestly, I just couldn't wait to read through all the comments from the beggining of this thread, the headline alone was enough for me.

@ Poster have read your many posts but never felt inclined to comment or reply until now. You certainly come across as an intelligent, matured and grounded person and never also had I cause to disagree with you until now.

I am really surprised and disappointed that you would be so ashamed of your of your own roots to the extent that you would even publicly acclaim it. I also feel your enbarrassment and disappointment associated with our people, because no culture should be proud of or condone violence in any form.
Perhaps you may have been overcome d by emotions to have made such statement, and that much of an excuse I could concede to you; otherwise I equally would feel ashamed that you are indeed a Hausa man.

In fact, even the the people you were falling over backwards to appease have noted the folly in your judgement and thankfully were generous enough to correct it.

Political violence as in the present circumstance is not the exclusive preserve of the North or Hausa land. Name any regon of Nigeria that had not been stained by a history of violence or for that matter, any part of the world (including the so called civilised Western Europe and America). It may certainly not be the best method of expressing disappointment but could be understandable depending the degree of provocation, such as in the present situation where people genuinely felt disenfranchised - and with good reason.

I would have gladly apologised to the Southerners in this forum for the violence, if only we were dealing reasonable people; but the level of unclothed bigotry and insults (unlike you) makes me feel otherwise.

Yes, there was political violence in the north, and so what! Was it directed at Southerners? No, but at PDP, the party of corruption and the bane of our ills for the past 12 years. And who were the victims? Was it was not big Northern politicians mainly from the PDP party?

Northerners for once stood up to their corrupt leaders to say enough is enough. How many of such leaders would tomorrow feel comfortably safe enough to be involved in such fraud against their own people? I do not condone the violence but certainly feel that a lesson has been learnt by those that provoked it. And this may be the dawn of a new beginning when Northern leaders would start becoming accountable to their people.

I for one would NEVER NEVER be ashamed to be a Hausa man or a Muslim no matter the circumstances - NEVER EVER!

It is good that you are proud of your heritage, and I commend you for it. However, it appears that you are misinformed about the post-election violence in the north. The violence was directed not only at PDP properties but also at the churches and Christians. There were numerous reports of burned churches and so on. There were also reports that southerners were attacked. Please don't feign ignorance as to this wrongdoings.

Besides being proud of your Hausa heritage, it would also be good if you would take a stance against wrongfulness and repudiate all the barbaric acts perpetrated by many people from your tribe. For example, it is wrong to deny children a basic education, as many children are being forces to attend almajiri schools, where they learn only Islam and nothing else. This children grow up to be illiterate and are easily wooed by these northern elites into gangs and thuggery.

As to the issue of disenfranchisement, how can you claim that these hooligans who took to the streets were disenfranchised when they were allowed to cast their vote, and their candidate won in all the Northern states. They stood in lines just like everyone else, and their votes were collated publicly and announced by an independent body. Buhari lost in the states where he had no fan base and did not campaign enough. Your claim for disenfranchisement is therefore spineless and without merit. It is frivolous.

To the contrary, southerners are the ones who should be rioting for the palpable acts of northerners in rigging this election. There was substantial evidence that children were registered to vote, and that they indeed voted. That was wrong. Click the link below to see the CNN reporter talk to some kids who were registered to vote.

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/04/17/purefoy.nigeria.election.split.cnn

My point is that, unlike the 2007 election, this election was free and fair, the results of which were collated in public. The results of the 2007 election were collated in secret and the late Yar'adua was rigged to power.

I understand that the northerners are bitter because southerners have woken up and would no longer be allowed to be ruled by illiterate northerners, who have ran this country down for 38 out of 50 years. You tell me, what have northerner leaders achieved for Nigeria in 38/50 years? Pretty much all of them have been illiterates, including that illiterate Buhari.

jakigaga:
I dont feel ashamed to be called a hausaman or cattle rearer or aboki or mallam,am also not ashamed of my religion.i dont like the violence but what do you think would happen if you have millions of unemployed and a few elite with money to throw around.they had it coming for years.change was need and i think this election served as the catalyst.it is time for them to act and save the future of their children.40yrs and we have nothing to show for it except a greedy elite.maybe now we can have trained teachers for our children,health care and housing for our people.our leaders will now sit up knowing that the monsters that they have created will surely consume them someday.

so what do you think should be the solution to the problem in the North?

the article below will hopefully shed some light on the why almajiri school system that is so pervasive in the North should be outlawed. the almajiri system teaches pupils to learn the Quran at a young age, which is pretty much all they learn.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7796109.stm

Kobojunkie:
When it comes to information that is basic to one's existence, one is not required to have reasoning abilities. If you play ABC - 123 song on the radio to a baby for a while, the baby is likely to learn ABC and 123 in no time, even recognize the characters if you had employed a visual aid in that experiment. There is a simple program that teaches babies how to talk with just that ( Your Baby can Read) out in the market .

learning how to say ABC is different from learning how to form words. learning how to form words is different from learning how to form sentences. learning how to form sentences is different from learning how to form paragraphs. learning how to form paragraphs is different from reading skills and comprehension. all these experiences help you learn how to form your own opinions and challenge existing authorities, if necessary.

You are reasoning like a typical Almajiri, who use what you just said to justify the nonexistence or lack of need of a standard education. You are talking like the people who, for centuries, have formed an education system are stupid.

OAM4J:
I tried as much as possible to refrain myself from posting on this thread, but the more I read a number of posts here the more I feel pained about a good number of us.

It does not require a rocket scientist to know that there will be pockets of unrest/violence here and there after the election no matter the outcome.

If Buhari has won am sure SS will be boiling as we speak and I wonder how many of us will hold GEJ responsible as we are holding Buhari responsible for this violence.

I am not against GEJ calling on Buhari and all other people of influence in the North to reach out to the troublemakers, but beyond that, what other measures were taken before and after the election to forestall peace?

This is a period we all need to refrain ourselves from making comments that will only overheat the situation. All these name callings is not the solution if anything it portrays many of us as equal to the almajeris we blame and condemn.

Use your brain and use facts to support it. How can you say the south would have resorted to violence like those Almajiris if GEJ had lost. For 38 years, Northerners have rigged themselves into power. How many times has the south resorted to these barbaric acts after their candidate lost an election?

proudly9ja:
Buhari lost election in 2003, there was no violence, he lost in 2007, there was no violence. In 1993, when IBB annulled MKOs election, there was violence in d south. Nobody said it had anything to do with tribalism.
Fact is, when people feel they have been cheated, they fight against it. I am totally against violence but this isn't happening because Buhari lost, it is happening because PDP rigged.

Now GEJ should do his work and quell the uprising

Use your brain. Why would you even compare the 1993 annulment to this situation. In 1993, a free and fair election was annulled without any reason set forth. That fool called IBB just annulled it for annulment's sake. In a recent interview IBB said he annulled it for reasons he did not want to disclose. Here, a free and fair election, conducted by an independent body, with the results collated in public, has just happened. What evidence do you have that PDP rigged?
You are a sorry loser.

It is one thing to be exposed to information. It is another thing to listen to the information, digest it, critique it, and offer counterarguments if necessary. It is called reasoning. Not having an education does not prepare your mental faculties to be able to reason, which is why advanced countries understand the importance of education and create laws that require parents to take give their children education.

Kobojunkie:
YES!

What is your point, Kobojunkie? Is it that listening to Arabic radio (as a good chunk of those Northerners don't speak English) that provides information from an Islamic perspective--possibly an extremist perspective--is equivalent to getting an education from nursery all the way to secondary school, possibly to the university? Please clarify.

190:
[color=deeppink]His Ex-GF Back in Nigeria should be held accountable

na she go don cause this kind thing so[/color]

naija people. haba

maimalari:
Buhari has since said that the elections were marred with irregularities and inflation of numbers and as such not a credible. We all should the ask the inec to release the real results as it is. Even without those inflation, gej may still win. So why inflate it?

Why didn't the Northerners riot after the results of the 2007 election in which ballots were collated in secret and Yar'adua was accordingly rigged into power?

Why hasn't Buhari, the candidate for whom these Almajiris are supposedly rioting, come out to publicly condemn and repudiate this barbaric act? He is in the best position to do so. And this situation presents the best scenario where silence equals acquiescence. By not repudiating this riots, Buhari may be acquiescing to these acts.

Cnn Shows Video Evidence Of Underage Voting In Kaduna
« on: Today at 03:26:40 AM »

Click to see the CNN video

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-648918.0.html

I dare those Almajiris to come to the south or to Lagos. They will be burned alive. God punish them. Do they think southerners will allow some illiterates to rule them forever.

Why do this Northerners always have to start a fight all the time?

Depointer1:
I am sorry for Nigeria because we dont vote with our head but our backside. How would you expect your southern brothers to sleep in the North with their both eyes closed? Anyway am happy none of mine is there, Nigeria deserve the leader they get.

so you voted with your yansh, abi?

Thanks, Koruji

This is the CNN video

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/04/17/purefoy.nigeria.election.split.cnn

Now its time for a census. Let us create a national database of Nigerians, including thumb prints. That way, we can know the exact population of Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas, etc. This will be better for Nigeria's future.

kasiem:
@op
do u want the hausas on this forum to die of high blood pressure?

The Hausas will die from high blood pressure because they have always released a fake census that inaccurately boosts their population. A new census will show that Hausas are not as many as they claim to be, and they will no longer be able to rig elections.

There should be a database of all Nigerians that includes thumb prints.

ziccoit:
Stop telling lies. Stop misrepresentation of facts. Stop religious bigotry. Stop sectionalism. Stop fueling ethnic enmity. We don't need this type of sand brain in the new Nigeria. I don't know where you are from. It is obvious you don't know anything. Don't say what you don't know. The first law of politics as well as fundamental human survival is "if you don't know the game, don't play"

Which facts did I misrepresent?

nuclearboy:
@Prince2k:

I think Jaaiztech is right. You just voted the establishment back into power [b]as they are definitely more comfortable under GE[/b]J.

And yes, they wanted GEJ to step down for a northerner BUT WHICH NORTHERNER? Buhari? Definitely NOT! They wanted one of their own - Atiku. And you must know that the results show some powerful people worked against GMB in this election even in the north as the "almagiri" mentality would never allow GEJ win against GMB in Nassarawa or do so well in Katsina against Buhari without "inside" help.

Nigerian politics has been historically corrupt. The main ideological difference is that you see corruption through the party lens, while majority see it through the northern mafia lens, and they are justified in doing so. Buhari is a northern candidate who is campaigning under the CPC flag for political reasons. Buhari owes allegiance, first, to the north, and second, to Nigerians.  CPC is pretty much an off shoot of PDP, and they are all corrupt.

We see Jonathan as a different person from his PDP party-mates, and that was why they protested against his decision to contest for president. They knew he would change. Had Yaradua not died, do you think Goodluck would have been made the PDP candidate? Hell nah!
God had a hand in this.

And I am sure Jonathan will privatize PHCN and deregulate the power sector, which Northerners do not want, because they fear that stable electricity will catapult the economies of the southern states, since we are not restrained by Sharia law.

Also if they were comfortable under PDP, why did they oppose his reelection campaign and field their own northern consensus candidate by way of Atiku, who ended up losing to GEJ?

And why did the northerners subsequently endorse Buhari ahead of Goodluck. Don't think you can fool Nigerians anymore. This is not business as usual.

On a serious note, northern leaders have brainwashed northern children. They have refused to educate them, deceiving them into thinking that education is western and contravenes Islamic or Sharia law, whichever is applicable.

I schooled in Jos and traveled across the north, and way too many children are not educated but only go to Islamic schools to learn the Quran. The North has so many people who don't even understand English. I know that English is not their traditional tongue, but the truth is that English is the language through which we communicate, and a lot of our instructional materials are written in English. So not speaking English is indicative of illiteracy and lack of education.

Northerners have used religion to blind sight Northern children. I hope this trend changes so that future children can think for themselves and will have the necessary tools to help them make an informed decision as to whom they should vote for, rather than wait for an imam to tell the person for whom they should vote.

JaaizTech:
Some of you really don't understand Nigerian politics, it would be easier for Ciroma, IBB, ATIKU, and other big northern politicians to thrive under GEJ than under Buhari. PDP is a caucus of Northern, eastern and western Nigerian thieves.So if you think you have voted out the northern PDP caucus, then you are mistaken you just voted them back into power.

If your argument is true, why is that PDP bigwigs were insistent that Jonathan step down for a northern candidate, in honoring an alleged gentleman's agreement that flag bearers should be rotated between the north and the south. Let us give him a chance so that he can deliver.

Ebele all the way

JaaizTech:
Guys, you need to contact some corpers if you know any to tell you about how the election went at their end, I just called my in law in akwa-ibom, and He said in the village where He was posted to conduct the election, that only about 5-4 people thumb printed about 600 ballot papers he had, they had told him ahead that they are going to vote PDP in their village and He should just co-operate, He also added that the people were warning themselves that the same thing will not repeat itself for the Governorship election, that they are only allowing it for the presidential.

I hope this was not the case in many places, because this can easily be proved, all they need is to take hundred samples and check how many has same finger prints.

I just called my cousin who is a corper in Sokoto, and my friend who is also a corper in Borno. Both of them said two people thumbprinted about 10 million ballots. Get outta here!