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Okay. That’s good. |
Nice. |
Ijaya123:lol. Classic cop-out. I told you to attend to more important things on your Friday night so just by saying that you’re indirectly siding with me all-the more. You just will not win with me. Give it up. I’ve got some delicious ukwa on my table, ta. I even have oha that isn’t potentially ogbanje-ified. That’s the kind of food an eye for decent quality puts on your table. I definitely don’t need ewedu but you’re free to enjoy it all you want. |
I just hope OP doesn’t have a spiritual wife in the mix as well. She’s not going to be happy. |
Poleski:I mean, yeah. There is that. But as far as we know OP could live to tell the tale and it could’ve just been a goodwill gesture after all. We’ll see. |
Ijaya123:No real argument but cheap jibes as a weak defense just for the sake of replying. I think that says it all. I think we’re done here. That’s last. I hope one day you aspire to be non-tribalistic, free of the spirit of envy and capable of appreciating good soup but it’s up to you. But as far as this is concerned it’s obvious that you have nothing to say, because there’s nothing to say. You’ve been finished. Reduced to an ogbono pulp. |
thisisit:That’s a whole other story. |
Ijaya123:Anyway, I’m trying to understand the obsession some jealous people have with underplaying the quality of Igbo soups (like them or don’t like them; that’s not the point), so I’m adding my own. I’m taciturn in my speech and prolix in my writing. That’s just how it is. Why are people having migraines over the fact that Igbos sabi a good soup-thickener in egusi, yam, cocoyam, ofor and achi (etc.)? What’s their own on a thread about oha soup? Egusi belongs to Yorubas? You’re a funny one indeed. I know what you’re going to say about the word egusi specifically being passed on to Igbo only through Igala (which admittedly makes sense because it’s Anambra and Enugu Igbos who use the word egwusi dialectically the most; in some Imo and Abia tongue-nitty-gritty niches it’s called something different) but that doesn’t mean that the soup itself, whether you wan. call am, isn’t as native to Igbos as it is Yorubas, Hausas, Tivs and Ibibios. The seeds are planted, grown and cooked all over West Africa for God’s sake. No one ethnic group in Nigeria has monopoly on that but the fact remains that the various Igbo ways of making it are better-liked than most of the corresponding Yoruba ones, and argue with that all you like but you know the truth deep-down. Admit it, don’t admit it. That really isn’t my problem. The word okra itself is derived from the Igbo word okwuru (okwulu/okwuru-npiene) but that doesn’t stop Yorubas from having their own equivalent/s, ila (the best of-which comes from, you guessed it, Ondo), or much of Old World tropics and places between Africa and India using it for centuries before the more universal name for it happened to be christened by one particular language. Does that mean Yorubas didn’t know ila until the name okra/okro went mainstream? Likewise, the whole of Nigeria knows ogbono as just that (Edos and some Igalas value it more than most Igbos; at least one Umuzocha, Awka, village has ogbono as its prized staple and as far as I know that’s the extent of its value beyond the fact that it’s just a convenience-thickener that pairs well with okro) but in Yoruba (at least one particular dialect) it’s called apon, yet it ogbono was being talked about as exclusively an Igbo soup you’d probably be in here reminding us that it’s called apon in Yoruba and was used among you people before the name ogbono per-se became mainstream. Some ignorant Yoruba people with a very myopic, tribal self-aggrandising way of seeing Nigeria even claim ogbono as their invention, forgetting that the very name literally comes from Igbo and that most Nigerians are talking about Igbo ogbono when they talk about ogbono, not apon-trash. I’m trying to understand the obsessive jealousy here. What I’m also doing is stating it as it is rather than letting my thinking be biased by sentient tribalism. I’m not that kind of person but that Igbos have more variety of traditional food and soups than Yorubas there’s no doubt, even if you try so hard not to admit it or are the kind of person who’d re-elect Tinubu over Obi. I’m not just saying that because I happen to be Igbo. Gin’s calling my name now so buh-bye. If you still want to find something to argue about, just know that you’ll be arguing with yourself and that is not the sanest way to spend a Friday evening. Nor am I the sort of person to get into a silly tribal argument with. I fight fire and brimstone and I win, because unlike some I actually know what I’m talking about. And I’m not looking through a myopic insular lens to big up any one tribe. I’m way beyond that. I’m very anti-tribalism but I’m also anti-wilful sentient ignorance. And don’t you dare claim as purely Yoruba an egusi that you’ve learnt from Igbos to cook with ugu of all vegetables (Igbo word for a green vegetable which doesn’t even grow further West than Delta State). Tribalism won’t kill us-die (TWKUD) but it’s to the detriment of Nigerians’ awareness of stuff in general. Always looking at everything through a very insular tribal point of view. |
Jeon:That better-not be where the witch-stereotype comes from. Black soup is sha lit (from a health-perspective anyway), and so’s their dried stew made with more groundnut oil (I feel like Edo people have a very particular way of making stew, and it’s very correct) and kpomo. As for the broomstick shiz, what if you ingest a splinter? And in any case, do you not think that someone somewhere in Oyo hasn’t used it on the floor at some point and picked it up to stir emergency ewedu (at the very least)? What’s wrong with an actual whisk? |
Ijaya123:They use broomsticks. Not all but more than is non-concerning. You know they do. I know all about the variations of what Yorubas call ewedu (heck, it’s a thing in Nsuka). But the Yoruba way of making it is by-far the worst. Stick to the stew part of it if you’re not going to cook the greener stuff properly. No-doubt the leaves are healthy enough but that doesn’t amount to as much as it could when the general standard of cooking it among S.W. Nigerians is very poor. One can survive on onugbu, afang, Ekiti egusi (even) , Delta egusi pepper soup or, indeed, oha indefinitely but with ewedu you’d likely die of malnutrition after under a week. Let’s be real. Ewedu isn’t a soup. Not a rightly-called one or one that looks appetising in the least. It just looks like someone’s puked up that extra-green fried rice that that vlogger cooked up the other day, mashed it to a pulp and added stone. The way it’s made, notwithstanding the general health benefits of the leaf itself, just isn’t nutritious or palatable to the average Igbo man or woman. The more east-southerly a Nigerian’s origins are (starting from Osun and ending in southernmost Akwa Ibom), the higher the standards they tend to have when it comes to soup. Ewedu (the way it’s made by Yorubas who do it) might be okay for some Yorubas, Hausas and Edos but for a Calabar person or Anambra Igbo who’s used to akpu and onugbu-egusi/ukwa nni-ji and ofe oha, it simply won’t do. Not good enough and not by a long osu-chalk (which is better off used for some okazi-and-ugu egusi-binding). You know it isn’t so why are we even having this conversation? No-doubt Yorubas are good at cooking rice and a few other things but when it comes to soup I’d only single out Ondo, Ekiti and chunks of Osun as being anything close to good. The rest are utterly hopeless. Perseveration in cultural or personal habits often shows itself In Ondo/Ekiti people and gives them a more consistent template in concretising more variety of things like vegetable-soups, and consistency in the template of even their jollof rice (and maybe fried rice). Soup-quality generally improves more and more the further east you go in Nigeria, and Ondo and Ekiti, being at the Eastern fringes of Yorubaland, carry a better aura for soups (especially pounded yam and egusi and Ondo-city okra soup, which is sublime and could easily stand side-by-side with bright okra soup made by an Awka person) than more typical Yorubas. Ondo and Ekiti people are like a perseveration-tending, strongly-principled type of Yoruba who have Awka-ish/Imo-state leanings. And I do know that some Awka-blacksmiths got as far as Ondo and Ekiti back in the day. Maybe they shared some interaction 200 years ago and fused into this blueprint of principled but accommodating, headstrong Nigerians. Ondo and Ekiti people do it with a certain dry, ENTP/ISFJ-ish intellectualism, though. That’s their niche. They are often pretty smart. So they’re a bit closer to Igbos (and even Calabars) in terms of overall quality of food, between asun, obe-isapa, pounded yam and Ondo/Ekiti-egusi (which, again, has interesting parallels to Awka-egusi) and efo-riro with agidi/boiled white yam. They’re goaty and dry but in a way that adds consistency to their mannerisms and palette, whereas Awka is more malleable but rooted in Anambra-Igbo aristocracy, as-it-were. More headstrong in an ESTP/ISTP-way, whereas Ondo and Ekiti people give off more of an ISTJ/ISFJ/ENTP-ish aura in personality and way of doing things. Both rooted in the overarching tradition and culture but one’s more dryly intellectual and principled by virtue whereas the other has a more malleable street-savvy adaptiveness. |
Mrnairalandd:Why do Yorubas stir ewedu with broomsticks? Is that healthy or even normal? Is ewedu even soup? ![]() |
Oha di uto, o. |
Narcissists are everywhere. You can’t avoid them altogether, unfortunately. |
And how exactly is this apon soup cooked? Is it fit to be considered anything like real-deal ogbono (better known to Edos and certain Igalas besides Igbos and whoever-else has a grip on ogbono)? |
Congrats to the guy. It’s never too late. |
Ghana jollof’s alright but for real, for real, it doesn’t even begin to come close. For all the cheese omelette, shito and anchovies shenanigans some people do on top of it, it doesn’t have half the potential or innate gidi-gidi-bang. Issa solid 5/10 from me. |
Half of them need to stay back or at least be banned from vlogging about JAPA struggles. We don’t want to hear it. The Onuoras, Ijaw sailors, single-mum aunties and Bolades who migrated everywhere between Scotland and Australia between the 1930s and 90s faced much worse hardship to be met with but they just got on with it and made and contributed to rich Nigerian communities. And they acclamatised with the world/uwa. These latest JAPA anyhows aren’t worth the ground they walk on. Whether it’s red-sanded or snow-coated. Let them rest and stay where they are. They are not the quality of migrants that sacrificed and preserved a lot as recently as a couple of years ago, to be honest. It’s like a case of the most defective of the Europeans getting shipped off to America/Canada and Australia (as was the case in history) but not realising where they are and not making an identity for themselves. Latest ndu Japa seem to think that Nigeria’s the only country in the world. I’m not saying every single Japa migrant be like that but it’s a very concerning number. Very concerning. And they have, like, such a myopic view of the world (allow the California valley girl intonation implied in this sentence, because that’s, like, totally not how Probz talks). |
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StainlessCup:We produce Abakaliki rice and Ofada rice (the good brands of local rice; local Anambra rice is trash). Oron (Akwa Ibom) crayfish. The truth is Nigeria has so much resource-richness. |
marlow1962:20kg rice doesn’t come cheap, let-alone t’50kg bags that are generally sold for Naija. |
dc23:Somehow. But abacha and akpu might as well be. Garri’s neither here nor there. Why’s anyone trying to claim that? |
Looks like nchaunwu is an alternative to clomipramine/paroxetine for fellas what cum too quickly. Okay. We see you, effirin. We love you, ntong, and not just for ofe akwu and a certain kind of stew. |
Nice. |
Is it not Igbo and English? b, c. Hausa, Yoruba and Igala have also been spoken by various members (on my mum’s side) but that’s different. When you have to flee to Idah or Bauchi during the Biafran war and fall-out of it, you’re going to pick up at least a bit of the local lect. Coupled with the fact that my grandma (maternal) was from Umuzocha (the Awka village that has the most Igala connection, or at least one of the most), so she was already inclined to speak Igala as well as Igbo. English not so much. She wasn’t so good in English but she was okay. |
jannzy82:I adore port. |
Oh, God. |
RedboneSmith:Touchy? That’s one way of putting it. |
SmartyPants:Supa kanja sounds like a vibe. |
BeigJawnson:Tackle my post bit-by-bit or go. Give me a solid counter-argument if you want to make it stick. Saying something you want to be the case out of tribalistic loyalty doesn’t make it true. No matter how many times you say it. |
vannessa7:Argue with the researchers. It’s there in print. Sentimental love for amala and stinky green hogwash won’t change that. Yoruba soups with one or two eastward/Ondo-lite exceptions are trash. So chill, you jealous cretin. Missing out on periwinkles, seafood, snails, onugbu, ukazi, uda, ugu and okporoko is your loss at the end of the day. Continue eating ewedu with nothing else but pepper and kpomo if that’s how you wanna do but don’t pretend it makes a balanced diet. Igbos are more prone to disease? Show me the research, researcher. Idiot. Vagabond. |
BeigJawnson:You hear me, yeah? Sound. |
vannessa7:Hyped, over-hyped, whatever. Your pro-Yoruba/Hausa, anti-Igbo bias is showing clear as day so don’t talk to me about prejudice. You can vegetables and crayfish (where appropriate to use) trash at your own health-risk. You want to use 10k Naira for kpomo for ONE little soup instead of proper assortment and balance, that’s on you. Who told you Igbos don’t cook with tomato (a fruit that’s originally from the Americas and not at any Nigerian’s mercy to directly claim)? You’re a researcher? You’re a bloody biased one. Yoruba people no-dey suffer apoplectic fit? Vitamin A deficiency in all those poor ndu-nwata (clearly)? |
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