Xuxu208:

Nice try, so you and your fellow corrupt university administrators can victimize the person involved?

Why should he be victimized because one ignoramus is running his mouth on the Internet? Either shows you know nothing about how universities actually operate, or more likely, that you are a liar.

Xuxu208:

My Alma mater is a federal university and the last time I went, the only new building I saw was, of all things, a church! The said University still held a fundraising dinner where they were begging alumni for donations and instead of holding this function in the school premises chose to use a an expensive hotel hall as venue, typical. Why is this, if you have a TETFUND?

TETFUND does not build churches joo. And every single federal university has multiple TETFUND intervention projects.If you cannot mention the name of the university, then you are a big liar.

With regards to the labs, absolutely NOTHING has changed and in fact a department had their accreditation withdrawn due to the substandard materials/equipment and teaching.

Maybe in your department. Once again, your failure to provide details is a convenient device to hide your lies. Mention the university o!

The link did not mention how much is being paid now; care to share it? And no matter how little it is, all I want you to tell me is where it all goes? Why are you now engaging in straw man arguments?

I know your kind very well. Rather than accept that they goofed, they would rather shift the goal post endless times. You said Nigerian students pay lots of money. You said it, I didn't. The burden of proof lies on you. Fortunately, you also said you are familiar with the SA system. So why can't you mention how much they pay? Is it because you know it will reveal the stupidity of your position?

I mentioned the amount I paid not as a boast but as a way of showing that it is unjustifiable that students who pay way more than I did should be subjected to the same or worse conditions than I experienced.

It is unjustifiable for students to pay in the order of $500 for an entire first degree? Really? Can you see how qualified (not!) you are to debate this topic now?

Before I give the typical tuition rate in SA why don't you compare the research output as well as the ranking of SA universities to that of Nigerian federal universities and put up your results here?

Can you see how you shift the goal post now? And you had the guts to even mention straw man??! I gave a simple request to back up your assertion on fees, but you retreat, to raise the issue of research. I have news for you. If you want to debate the issue of research, I dey here kampe for you. You go tire. But first, unless you're being insincere or worse, a liar, state the average SA tuition. Don't change the topic. Plenty of time for that later, if you want to.

I'm done wasting my time talking to someone of your ilk, all you have just proven is that my view of most Nigerian academics as the most despicable sector of the society is completely justified.

Yes, the final trick of a fool whose ignorance has been pointed out is to feign disinterest and flee, tails tucked between legs. Next time, don't poke your nose in a matter if all you have to go by are personal experiences. Imagine yourself using one single visit to your alma mater to conclude that TETFUND is doing nothing in universities. Does that even remotely sound sensible to you? Why not educate yourself on an issue if you want to present a commentary on it?

Xuxu208:
And the person I speak of was in fact the opposite and got forced out of the deanship because he tried to change the corrupt status quo that had been operating forever at his faculty, now what have you got say?

What I have to say to this is: mention the Faculty. There is absolutely no reason not to.
Edit: this is the only way we can verify that there is any truth in what you're saying.

Xuxu208:


Wow, you keep digging yourself in deeper...smh Here is the meaning of Ad Hominen copied and pasted; "adjective
adjective: ad hominem

(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"

adverb
adverb: ad hominem

1.
in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"these points come from some of our best information sources, who realize they'll be attacked ad hominem"
So, now what? Once again, you've not only engaged in the same tactics but proven that ASUU and those who constitute it are not only rude, and uncouth but not particularly intelligent or able to think outside the box, hence the reason why they are so redundant. What made you arrive at the conclusion that the person I spoke about is a blood relative; one can only be related to a person by blood? And the person I speak of was in fact the opposite and got forced out of the deanship because he tried to change the corrupt status quo that had been operating forever at his faculty, now what have you got say?

And how was my argument directed against you when the two main points I made completely refuted your claim that ASUU fights for only remuneration and is never bothered about the state of facilities:
1. TETFUND is a result of ASUU's strike action, and a lifesaver for universities.
2. ASUU fights for 10-100 times more on facilities than on remuneration (to refute your points).

Does the fact that I pointed out your ignorance negate those points? Can you go back to your own definition above and say if I addressed the position you are maintaining or not?

Last but not least, once again for the umpteenth time, do tell us what your TETFUND has been used for so far as well as where the substantial tuition paid by students end up.

This has been answered already jare.

Xuxu208:
What has the TETFUND being used for? Over 20 years after graduating from a public university in Lagos, things have only gone from bad to worse; no seats lefts in lecture halls, the same obsolete lab materials and machines that have been there for over 4 decades still remain, the hostels are in shambles, etc. So tell me, what has your TEFUND been used for?

I will assume this is a real question from a mind seeking to know. Well, bros, I don't know your alma mater, and more to the point, whether it qualifies to enjoy TETFUND intervention. But walk into any federal university today, and I guarantee that there would be brand new buildings. I also guarantee that at least 80 % of those buildings were funded by TETFUND. Those are the most visible impacts of TETFUND. The labs you keep talking about: they are also regularly upgraded.

Also, like I asked before, students now pay lots of money at these varsities (unlike what obtained during my time when I paid less than #2000 for the 5 years I was at school), and yet still nothing has changed, where does all the money go?

From the link I sent you, hope you realize that students are not paying lots of money. It is funny that you don't realize that your testimony points to the problem. A country (and graduates) that feel they should boast about getting a first degree at N2000 is a country that has no idea what it is worth. But you said you know what obtains in SA nao; what is the typical tuition rate in SA??

Xuxu208:


Wow, your response full of Ad Hominen attacks say it all.

If you're really a Nigerian academic, you're proof positive that ASUU is a cesspit; why can't you make your point without throwing insults around? Probably because you could not deny/defend the assertions I made. What has the TETFUND being used for? Over 20 years after graduating from a public university in Lagos, things have only gone from bad to worse; no seats lefts in lecture halls, the same obsolete lab materials and machines that have been there for over 4 decades still remain, the hostels are in shambles, etc. So tell me, what has your TEFUND has been used for? Also, like I asked before, students now pay lots of money at these varsities (unlike what obtained during my time when I paid less than #2000 for the 5 years I was at school) , and yet still nothing has changed, where does all the money go?

Ad hominem? Do you even know what ad hominem means, buster? Pointing out ignorance is not an ad hominem attack, especially when my points fully exposed your lack of qualification to debate this issue!

I can understand why you have such a dim view of Nigerian lecturers since your own blood was such a corrupt academic. Well, people like him don't belong in this system, and they wouldn't if the FG had taken education seriously enough to attract brilliant youngblood academics who would obsolete his arse asap.

In any case, the existence of people like your relative is no reason to assume all lecturers are like him. Can you mention one profession in Nigeria that does not have its fair share of bad eggs? So why should the existence of bad eggs make you pooh pooh the efforts of the majority of academics? Academics who have been in the trenches fighting a recalcitrant FG likely before you were in diapers; many of whom sacrificed a lot just to do this job under the criminal conditions provided by the FG and (former) students like you who think Nigerian youths are paying too much for education, even though you claim to know what obtains in SA?

Well, you should try to educate yourself on this topic before attempting to engage people literally spilling blood to defend the tertiary education system. Start from this random page, to understand that students are not "paying lots of money" : https://dailypost.ng/2018/09/27/ASUU-rejects-proposed-hiking-university-fees-fgs-chief-negotiator/

If you are sincere, you have a lot to learn on this subject, even though you think your limited experience and bias give you a good vantage point. If you have real questions, I will answer them, no matter how long it takes. I never mind spending time to educate a sincerely curious mind, but I dislike aggressive ignorance with a passion.

Xuxu208:


"Getting a PhD in Nigeria is a nightmare except you are favoured by God." Whose fault is that?

So that is the only thing worth addressing in his post?
Some of you don't approach issues with an open mind or a willingness to be informed.

Xuxu208:


You must be joking, it's the same redundant, geriatric, non-productive, so-called academics that are still in these universities....I looked up some departments at my Alma Mater and was shocked to see all these middle-aged men and women still there over twenty years later! The only time ASUU strikes is over issues of their remuneration, I don't recall them ever striking about the deplorable conditions of our universities with regards to terrible student housing, classrooms, ancient library book and lab materials and machines, research facilities, etc. Most of them are clearly in it for the money. The part that is even more baffling to me in these public universities is that, despite the huge fees that students now pay, nothing has changed and in fact, in some universities, things are actually getting worse! So, where does all the fees students pay as tuition go to? Lastly, I know from being related to a former dean at a public university in Lagos that there is a LOT of corruption going on there, whereby top-level academics put people on their payroll without these people actually even working there. Some even have 11 secretaries. ASUU and Nigerian academics in general are the most detestable and contemptible sector of the Nigerian society, all their education and exposure has done absolutely nothing to improve their outlook and behavior. The actions of most of them are no better than that of someone that has never seen the four walls of a classroom and is in fact sometimes way worse. One wonders if there is any hope for the country when the most educated amongst us have nothing show for all their eduation and exposure. Why then should one expect any better from our politicians, the vast majority of whom have far less educational attainment than our so-called academics?

I must be joking? ASUU only goes on strike for remuneration?

No, I'm not, and no, they do not.

I have just one word for you: TETFUND.

It is one of the most innovative funding strategies for tertiary education anywhere in the world. FYI: It is the result of a bitter ASUU strike, is 100% ASUU's brainchild, and the ONLY reason public tertiary education has not totally collapsed. Peep like you like wailing about imperfections in the system when it is government's irresponsibility that caused those imperfections. The "little" the universities have, for which you are complaining so bitterly, is only due to ASUU's struggles. Please be informed.

I've never said ASUU are saints, and on this very site, I have stated my occasional disagreement with the union. But anyone who tries to paint the union as the main problem with tertiary education in Nigeria has to be ret^rded.

I don't recall them ever striking about the deplorable conditions of our universities with regards to terrible student housing, classrooms, ancient library book and lab materials and machines, research facilities, etc.

Look at the rubbish this one is typing. The ignoramuses are the ones who love to pontificate.
Bros, ASUU's strike actions have always been geared towards securing at least 10 to 100 times more for things things you listed than for their remuneration.
Get informed so you can make sensible points please.

craleonic:


And what exactly were the deductions before IPPIS? That needs to be stated as well.

Sorry, I don't have the figures here, but they were much closer to 10%.

I should make something very clear. My issue is not with IPPIS and the deductions. My main point is that a salary structure in which the monthly gross salary of the most senior professor is less than N600,000 will lead to the eventual destruction of public tertiary education. I just happen to be making this point on a thread about IPPIS, but I have no interest in debating the merits or demerits of IPPIS itself.

Alero3Arubi:

I see ypu understand the matter of choices.
That is the beginning of wisdom.
And i cannot answer you because i have never been a best graduating student so i do not know what drives their motivation.

You don't know what drives their motivations, but you feel it is proper to sit on that lame high horse to accuse some others of greed?
No be your fault.

Thank God that the worst people like you can do is mouth off. Thank God also that ASUU has the FG by the jugular. Even Abacha could not tame ASUU, so know there is nothing people like you can do, no matter how much you scowl and howl.

This system will improve, either you and FG like it or not. ASUU might just appear to be the villain to the ones who don't get it, but that is a fair price to pay.

Jaqenhghar:

I have learnt that in Niggeria, the simplest things to do are the hardest.

Well, I said "simple", not "easy"

Jokes apart, what I have laid out is the simplified version of what needs to be done. It isn't ASUU's job to do it.
If FG - because they think it is difficult - fail to do things the right way, then they have no right to blame ASUU. You get what you pay for. FG cannot complain about the quality they are getting if they are not funding the system.

KingAzubuike:

You are obviously a lecturer. Reason why you sound so bitter and pained. Take heart.

I have seen your posts above, so I don't expect anything good to come out of exchanging words with you. I will therefore limit myself to just this one response to you. I do it because of the thought that maybe you are not a blockhead after all; maybe your bitterness stems from your experiences at the hands of your lecturers (who ironically may be in the system only because of the FG's criminal neglect and underfunding).

This one no be "them say". I am a lecturer. I am proud of this fact. I don't do this work because of FG's peanuts, nor do I depend on it. I don't do it because of any expectation of adulation from the majority of students or society. I do it for posterity, and I am extremely proud of my life's work.

Jaqenhghar:

I get your point totally. If the government paid well maybe it will attract the right kind of people. I agree that may be a solution.

As for the second point...... well sometimes its a case of who came first chicken or the egg depends on how you look at it. You believe the FG needs to establish systens I think lecturers need to do more.

It is not a chicken and egg problem at all. It must start from the government ensuring that top minds are attracted, recruited, and given proper conducive environments to work. They must then put in place mechanisms to ensure productivity and accountability. It is actually as simple as that.

The real problem is where the funding would come from, but I don't want to go there.

xperiencelove:
You know nothing and I will leave you with nothing. I am part of the nightmare to those academic staff, I don't know if you are among them.

Boy, there is no way you can be a nightmare to me. None.

Unfortunately for you, there are still lecturers who are worth their salt in this system (although there won't be any left soon, if you and your principals continue your onslaught) and we are above your small-minded machinations. IPPIS or no IPPIS means nothing to me. I have bigger, much bigger fish to fry. My only concern is that the FG will eventually kill public tertiary education in Nigeria. To that end, I will speak truth to power, inform the ignorant, and then get on with my life.

Alero3Arubi:

My suster i wonder ooo.
Did they not collect employment letter thst stated their salaries?
The greed of individuals is just too much.
What happens to living within your means?

Forget about greed for a second.
Let me ask you a question: do you honestly believe the best two students in any graduating class would take a job in which the highest salary net monthly they would ever get after years of service is less than N500k?
Please sincerely answer that, then I'll explain things to you.

Jaqenhghar:


Did you say sonetimes? Haba bros. Na naija we dey. If you are one of the few diligent lectur8wrs then speak for yourself. I am not taking sises here. The government has its own issues but we also need to look at the attitude of the average academician towards work.

You are refusing to see the point I am making. If the FG pays peanuts, it will rarely attract the right kind of people to do the job. Those who do will be under more pressure to cut corners.

Like I pointed out. If you give your employer money to manage your business, and the money disappears and he cant account for how he spent it, will you give him more money or will you cut back?

All Im trying to say is if the academicians were doing their jobs and the FG was frustrating them by with holding funds, the cry would have been louder. In fact the academicians will be in a position to hold the FG to ransom.

This is a totally wrong way to go about funding the most critical sector to national development (yes, I can back that up). You don't respond to malfeasance by withholding funding and crippling the system unless there are other factors at play. You simply enforce the right mechanisms for accountability. Whose fault is it that those mechanisms are not being triggered? I'll make it easy for you: FG.

jackie3:

Misinformation:this is basic salary without allowances.
Please stop misinforming the public

Please state what the REAL salary of a Nigerian prof on CONUASS 7/1 is. Liar.

Jaqenhghar:

Lack of funding is an excuse not to vome to class, or divert fubds meant for research. Truth is if they were comitted to their jobs even the FG will be forced to take them seriously. I repeat was it not hear we heard of government funds meant for research that the academicians use to buy car and house. Somehow you have ignored this point.

Which point have I ignored? That misappropriation sometimes happens? Where in the world doesn't that happen? It certainly does in every developed country that I know. So why should that prevent the government from properly funding education?

If you think the proper thing is for government to under-fund education in the misguided belief that they would then pump up funds after lecturers show themselves to be good boys, then you know nothing about how tertiary education is run around the world. Hint: you get what you pay for. I would humbly suggest you read up a bit on that before commenting further, otherwise your points would be built entirely on your biases.

xperiencelove:
You better stop saying rubbish and desist from propagating lies. I know what every academic lecturer earns which depends in their level and step and their other allowances varies depending on the institution.
You didn't address the situation where most professors start coming to class few weeks to the exam; where academic staff teaches in 3 to 5 different institutions including private; where research grants were used to build houses and buy cars; where they molested our ladies (our future wives); where they demand for bribes; where they embezzle their IGR; where they plagiarized; where they uses our own projects as their research; where most of them add nothing to the society etc.

Do most professors do these, or are you just smoking crack?
Mention one profession in Nigeria that doesn't have bad eggs ?!
Should the conditions of service of a profession should be tied to the conduct of the bad eggs?

Jaqenhghar:

Let's be very sincere who destroyed the university system? Is it not the same professors who do nothing , no research, mismanage grants, dont write papers just sit and award grades and come to lectures when they feel like.
The truth is in in Niggeria everyone wants to be paid for doing nothing. Working hard is seen as suffering. Everyone wants to be millionaire overnight na him cause this wahala. You have a system that is overburdened with too many employees who are not showing any tangible results for the pay they take.
The day the government stops being a charity organization then we will see progress

Those do-nothing professors you mention are not the cause. They are the CONSEQUENCE of FG not properly funding public tertiary education. Can you imagine a typical best-in-class graduate taking up a lecturing job to collect the peanuts on Page 1? Oho? When most don't, the positions are taken by increasingly lower quality scholars, leading to the problems you pointed out.

Many of you commenting on this topic do not understand the heinous class warfare that the FG's actions will unleash. Nor do you understand the level of personal sacrifice required for someone worth his salt to stay in the Nigerian university system.

obailala:

What exactly was the monthly Gross Pay and monthly Net Pay (after deductions) of a professor before the IPPIS?

This information is vital for one to understand the context of the IPPIS outcry.

The gross pays are right there on the left half of the table. What has changed is that IPPIS is increasing the deductions (right half).
So do you still believe lecturers are fairly remunerated?

galaxy2020:
...I have them, and they are doing fine. My secondary school mate is a prof, he's doing well, and I know is just not his salary he's depending on.

I hate it when people who don't know squat mouth off.
Did those relatives or friends tell you that the posted figures are wrong? Or are they the type of lecturers who levy students illegally?
Why do people try to cling so hard to lies?
What has been posted is 100% correct. There are no additional, hidden allowances. What you have on the left half of the table represent the ceiling of lecturers' remunerations for the stated grade levels pre-IPPIS.

Please be informed, and stop yarning opata.

codemaniacs:


you better leave Ade3131 alone..

the fact that you mentioned "diseases of Africa" shows you're either a white supremacist pretending to be Nigerian in order to manipulate Nigerians...

If you were intelligent you'd know that if there were "diseases of Africa" then most Africans will have died off and lots of ethnic nations would have gone extinct.

no disease originated in Africa.

You're right about the fact that "there is just no money to be had in solving Africa's problem" because If Africa's problems are solved that means transfer of knowledge to Africans then Africans wouldn't need the e:uropeans anymore and that means the e:uropeans influence will wither away and they don't want that, so they have to do things that keeps Africans in perpetual servitude.

the question you should ask yourself is why are e:uropeans scared of transferring knowledge to Africans?
why do they sell weapons to ethnic nations and promote inter ethnic wars?
why don't they sell knowledge instead of guns, bombs, tanks e.t.c.?
why is an African's opinion or knowledge always considered trash to them?

Ade3131 is right...

Sorry, I don't join issues with folks like you. Have a good life.

ProfAmaben:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I have learnt that by just doing this, people progress rapidly in life

Only half true. I disagree with the "progress rapidly" part.
Tolerating differences in opinion is necessary for peaceful coexistence.
But there can be no progress unless each man is capable of weighing his own beliefs, and dropping them when the weight of logical or scientific evidence is against them. To be able to do that, each man must be willing to approach every topic with an open mind, and not build firm convictions until he has sufficiently educated himself.

Ade3131:


Let's look at it from another angle Sir. What does it benefit a Bill Gate to fund all these intervention programmes in Africa? Are we the highest consumer of Microsoft? Is he giving back to the society that made him like he's doing in Africa? When the colonial masters were invading Africa, they brought religion along to curb the mindset of Africans and that's why I will give you a doll made of wood and you'll call it an idol while a white man gives you same made of plastic, you call it son/mother of God.

If there's a black man anywhere that thinks a white man's intentions toward the black race is clean, that fellow needs to think deep. Unfortunately, we don't learn from history. This same people came to meet Nigeria and persuaded us to devalue our Naira when the local currency was slightly above USD and almost at par with Pounds.... See where that have led us.

Do you have the statistics of death caused by cancer in the US within the first quarter of 2020 alone?
Have you gone on to research the underlying health concerns that consumption of GMOs like Monsanto and co causes to the body?
Do you know that malaria is no longer a health concern in the western world, yet it is killing thousands in Africa and all you're told is that someone is donating billions to eradicate it whereas, all we need is the intelligence or expertise they used in eradicating it over there.... Or why reinventing the wheel in Africa?
Do you also know that while Africans were dying of Ebola virus, all the white men that contracted the virus were flown out of Africa and were all treated without any casualties?

The list is endless Sir. I don't want to make this an epistle but the real deal is that even if there's no evidence against BG on the said allegation, which I don't expect them to come out and say they actually did gave the money, I still stand firm to say that his complete shift from Microsoft into a field he knows nothing about will always remain suspicious. And his business in African food and drugs is equally questionable. Mike Zuckerberg was in Nigeria for IT related business but when Oga Gate comes around, he's always talking medicine and food shortage.

I am replying you because you don't seem like a conspiracy theorist. Your main mistake seems to be in believing that whites are uniformly malevolent when it comes to blacks.

My brother, there is no group of humans that think and act monolithically. There are evil white men, but I tell you, I rarely see blacks making the kind of sacrifices I have seen white men make (some first hand). I'm not saying they are better. They have more people at the self-actualization level of Maslow's pyramid, hence more of them are willing to risk all for what they believe in. And for many of them, what they believe in is Africa.

Your post is rich in irony, because I was going to use the fight against ebola as an example. Please read up on how Medicin Sans Frontier in particular kept ebola at bay in Central Africa for years. The irony is that it is whites, not blacks that have been most responsible for defending us against ebola over the years. Only in recent times, with larger outbreaks, have the healthcare systems of mosre African countries woken up to the monster MSF was locking the door against for years. Just devote an hour to educating yourself on that subject.

Do you know that malaria is no longer a health concern in the western world, yet it is killing thousands in Africa and all you're told is that someone is donating billions to eradicate it whereas, all we need is the intelligence or expertise they used in eradicating it over there.... Or why reinventing the wheel in Africa?

For starters, the fact that the diseases of Africa get little attention is a simple result of extreme capitalistic system in most of the Western world. Corporations (Big Pharma corps in this case) follow the money, and there is just no money to be had in solving Africa's problem. Another irony in your post is that Bill Gates, more than any other single human that I know, has been responsible for forcibly pushing Africa's healthcare problems front and center in recent times.

Osidazz19:


Sorry bro, but I think you are sending this to the wrong person. I'm a defender of Bill Gates not one of the Covidiots that are just looking for any conspiracy to latch on to. All the stories you are telling me here, I already know. I was using personal computer in the late 80s and early 90s thanks to Bill Gates/IBM/Steve Jobs. I respect the man for his vision and foresight not despise him.

I wasn't disagreeing with you at all. I read, understood and agreed with your post.
I try hard not to argue with conspiracy theorists, and had decided not to post here till I saw you post. Your points are what made me decide to shed more light on this Bill Gates for his traducers to better understand the stupidity of their posts.

Edit: sorrry, as I read my post again now, the "you" appears to be directed at you . I'll edit.

Bill Gates.

Most people shouting his name now are ignoramuses who are just learning about him. Those of us who followed his career as he went from fiercely competitive and subtly ruthless nerd to astute, cut-throat businessman know better. We know his dark side very well because we watched in real time as he viciously took down competitors. But we also saw him mature and mellow with age. We saw him throw himself into philanthropy with gusto not seen since perhaps Andrew Carnegie. We saw him single-handedly cause the most momentous sea change in philanthropy in a century when he got other billionaires to commit to spending large chunks of their money on philanthropy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Pledge). He even got the ever thrifty Oracle of Omaha on board! We've seen him throwing himself at the forgotten tropical diseases of Africa and other problems of the developing world. We half-sneered, half-applauded his crazy gimmicky attempts at reinventing the humble toilet bowl so that the third world can move its bowels in a more hygienic manner. For years, we saw him play the Jeremiah, warning us of the inevitable next pandemic. Now the pandemic is here, we see him become the face of the resistance BECAUSE (to those of you ignoramuses) THIS MAN IS NOW THE FACE OF TWENTY FIRST CENTURY PHILANTHROPY.

This is the man you think is deserving of so much suspicion and vitriol !?!! May God forgive you.

ProfAmaben:

I would never come down to your level. Only a fool knows a fool. If you were well read, you would know blockchain.com, it's so funny what kids here post

You are trying very hard to come across as an elder, but the respect we bestow on elders is not just because of their chronological age. They also need to demonstrate the wisdom we associate with age. For your restraint, I say bravo, but for the points you are making (or the lack thereof), I say "not so much!"

CanadaOrBust:


At least he got some real education for a change instead of filling his head as usual with nonsense from YouTube - 5G, 5G, 5G!! Hey 5G!!!

CanadaOrBust:

At least now he will think twice b4 regurgitating that Bill Gates is the Anti-Christ out to inject everyone with 666 through vaccination!

I hope so o...

CanadaOrBust:


My man, you can find a video on YouTube to justify anything including flat earth. Simpletons like u don’t realise how easy it is to cut and paste and make it mean the opposite of what the person is trying to say. I saw a video of a famous singer crying profusely that “they” have taken everything from him as price for his success and now the Illuminati also want to kill his only child. Only later did I read it was only crying about losing custody of his daughter. Videos like that abound on YouTube. That’s ehat makes it a heaven for conspiracy nuts. The first step towards curing yourself of conspiracy lunacy is GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUTUBE!!!

You can't educate a closed mind. Surely you know that. Or are you just bored? I mean I'm not sure the time you're spending with these dudes will change their minds. You'll just get your bp up a few points for nothing.

1StopRudeness:


You have actually said nothing with this post other than a display of condescending behavior...

I had no intention of arguing with a conspiracy theorist but felt the need to point out his ignorance to him just because he called someone a dumbass.