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Education / Re: IPPIS: FG Paid Some Professors N8,000 As Monthly Salary – Abiodun Ogunyemi by proffemi: 5:56pm On Oct 30, 2020
Decimus:
99% of Federal universites are in a worse state in all ramifications.
All ramifications? I hope you're not a Science or Engineering graduate making such a sweeping and patently false statement. Research funding? Infrastructure? Student facilities? I can tell you with 100% confidence that every single federal university has improved significantly in at least one of those areas over the last 20 years.

You are even a clown to want to dispute that not most public universities in Nigeria are suffering from old, dilapidated hostels and inadequate lecture halls and ill-equipped labs.
Don't be slow. Saying they are improving is hardly the same as saying they are world class or even of acceptable standard. That they still remain in relatively bad states despite the increased funding and interventions should tell you how bad things were, and how much is really needed to take them to world-class standards.

You don't need to bother about my Alma mater...
People get so selective about hiding information when they are lying freely. Mention at least one of those your two universities unless you're afraid or ashamed. I am in Obafemi Awolowo University for example. I'm neither proud of, nor ashamed of that fact. Challenge me, and I will tell you some of what TETFUND has done in my university. Mention your own university, and I will do same for it.
Education / Re: IPPIS: FG Paid Some Professors N8,000 As Monthly Salary – Abiodun Ogunyemi by proffemi: 4:59pm On Oct 30, 2020
Decimus:

By facts you mean what's in the papers or what's published online?

They are improving yet, students are sitting on the floors and windows to receive lectures, the hostels are overcrowded with overstretched facilitues. The Laboratory are ill-equipped with archaic apparatus.
Students have to shine their smartphones light into the simple microscope to view specimens.

Some practicals get delayed or postponed cos of lack of Power supply.
Most of the reagents in the laboratories have expired thus unreactive.
I can go on and on.
Things were not as worse as this before, and it keeps getting worse and no amount of ASUU strike can fix that.

Yes, it is just up the alley of an individual like you to argue from limited, myopic personal experience while rejecting *peer-reviewed, verifiable* facts.
That something is improving globally does not mean that all local instances improve. I do not know your alma mater, but if you were to mention it, I'm sure interested posters will point out the recent TETFUND interventions there (assuming you *did* attend a university of course).

I have neither interest in, nor time to cross swords with you. All I have time to do is provide evidence of your misconception, if you are interested. Re-calibrate based on superior information or stick with your preconceptions, it's up to you and no longer any business of mine. Sayonara.
Education / Re: IPPIS: FG Paid Some Professors N8,000 As Monthly Salary – Abiodun Ogunyemi by proffemi: 4:13pm On Oct 30, 2020
Decimus:

All the ones that ASUU has done in the past, are the public universities improving or deteriorating?

Daddy, take it to the bank: the universities are absol-100%-utely improving. And it is largely due to a program (TETFUND) that is ASUU's brainchild.
Unfortunately, TETFUND has not completed its 20-year impact assessment study. But If you actually wanted to learn about a subject you've been posting on all day, the information is actually out there. Take this study for example : http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/jsd/article/view/39128
It focuses on EBSU, but the authors extrapolate to the entire Nigerian tertiary education system (as they well should), and you can see the clear trends.

If you must post so aggressively on an issue, at least try to familiarize yourself with the facts!
Education / Re: Muhammad Kiru: Kano Will Cancel Third Term If Private Schools Don’t Reduce Fees by proffemi: 7:19am On Oct 30, 2020
nedekid:
Aboki and their mysterious ways.
If government schools were good who will go to private school?
Nigerians (maybe not you...) are capable of incredible cognitive dissonance. We all accept the sorry state of public primary/secondary education. Never mind that this sorry state was caused by their foolish clamor "free" education. At the same time, they vilify ASUU for being the last defender of public tertiary education. But for ASUU, the same phrase I highlighted above would apply to public tertiary education.

By the way, I realize that you may well be sympathetic to ASUU's cause. Your comment just brought out my simmering disappointment with the state of the nation, especially with respect to education.

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Politics / Re: Tinubu's Full Statement On Lekki Shooting by proffemi: 9:29pm On Oct 25, 2020
Lanrelagboi:
THE #ENDSARS PROTESTS; A FUNDAMENTAL LESSON IN DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE

I heavily grieve for those who have lost their lives or been injured during the period of these protests.

2. My deepest sympathies go to their families and loved ones for none should have been made to pay such a dear price. My career as an active politician spans nearly three decades.

3. In that time, I have seen many things as Nigeria has struggled, sometimes against itself, to undertake the often painful yet inexorable push toward democratic government accountable to, and protective of, the people.

4. Here, let me directly address the sharp point aimed against me. I have been falsely accused of ordering the reported deployment of soldiers against peaceful protesters that took place at Lekki on 20 October 2020.

5. This allegation is a complete and terrible lie. I did not order this or any assault against anybody. I would never want such a vile thing to happen nor did I have any prior knowledge about this sad event.

6. It is my firm belief that no one should be harassed, injured or possibly killed for doing what they have the constitutional right to do in making their contribution to a better, more equitable society.

7. As a political figure, I am accustomed to people attributing to me all manner of indiscretions of which I have no knowledge and in which I played no role. I have usually ignored such falsities as the cost of being in the public eye.

8. This time, it is different. The allegation now levied against me is that I called on soldiers to kill my own people. This allegation is the foulest of lies.

9. The use of strong force against any peaceful protesters is indefensible, completely outside the norms of a democratic society and progressive political culture to which I aspire and have devoted my public life.

10. That people were angered by the reports of violence and death is acutely understandable.
Understandably outraged, people sought to hold someone accountable.

11. For various reasons, I became the most available scapegoat. Some people don't like me because they believe the false rumours uttered about me over the years. Some maligned my name because they hide ulterior motives & harbour unrequited political scores they intend to settle

12. A week ago, such people tried to bring enmity between me and the state and federal governments by contending I was sponsoring the protests.

13. When that did not work, they then sought to sow enmity between me and the people by saying I ordered soldiers to quash the very same protests they first accused me of organising.

14. My opponents have every right to oppose me politically but let them have the courage to do so in the open, above board and to employ facts not evil fiction in their efforts against me.

15. They have no right to slander and defame anyone with the terrible and vile fabrications now cast at my feet.

16. Those who have decided to hate me will hate me regardless of the truth. Again, they have the right to think as they may and I am not troubled by their unfounded animus. Today, I speak not to them. I leave them to the workings of their own conscience.

17. The slander aimed at me is based on the untruth that I own the toll gate concession. The hate mongers prevaricate that I ordered the Lekki assault because the protests had caused me to lose money due to the interruption of toll gate activity.

18. I ask people to thoroughly investigate the matter of my alleged ownership of the toll gate. By seeking facts, instead of being swayed by gossip, you will find I have no ownership interest or involvement in the toll gate.

19. At bottom, the toll gate is a public asset. If it is reopened, revenues should be donated to the confirmed victims of the Lekki attack as well as to other identifiable victims of police brutality in Lagos.

20. Let government use the money to compensate and take care of those who have lost life or limb in the struggle for all citizens to go about the quiet, peaceful enjoyment of life without fear of undue harassment at this or that checkpoint.

21. On the other hand, I am, indeed, a promoter and financial investor in The Nation and TVC. It was widely known and circulated through social media that certain malevolent elements were going to take advantage of the situation to attack the Nation newspaper facilities & TVC.

22. These elements, mostly hirelings of my political opponents, wreaked their havoc and destroyed those buildings and facilities and I thank God that the employees of these two media institutions managed to escape largely unharmed.

23. There is no rationale that can adequately explain why I would order soldiers to repel peaceful protesters from the toll gate where I have no financial interest, yet, choose to do nothing to protect my investments in the Nation and TVC.

24. The good and creative people of Lagos have worked hard over the years to build it into the dynamic economic and cultural focal point it has become. Lagos has enjoyed over two decades of sustained, uninterrupted growth.

https://twitter.com/AsiwajuTinubu/status/1320417942299955207?s=19

I can't stand Tinubu and I think his presidential ambition is the joke of the century. But "facts is facts": his defense passes the smell test, at least to logical people who have not been blinded by bias, hate or jealousy.

The so many stupid things being said here only heighten my sense of disappointment as events have unfolded over the last few days. Yoruba youths lazily blaming Igbos for their hunger and hate-fueled rampage; Igbos just as hasty to resort to tribalism; so-called smart people swallowing propaganda; "peaceful protesters" trying to lock up public facilities during a curfew and expecting military personnel to play ludo with them, soldiers shooting live bullets (skywards or not) at unarmed protesters.

My takeaway is that "people wey no well plenty on all sides of this matter".

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Politics / Re: Tinubu's Full Statement On Lekki Shooting by proffemi: 9:12pm On Oct 25, 2020
Lanrelagboi:
THE #ENDSARS PROTESTS; A FUNDAMENTAL LESSON IN DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE

I heavily grieve for those who have lost their lives or been injured during the period of these protests.

2. My deepest sympathies go to their families and loved ones for none should have been made to pay such a dear price. My career as an active politician spans nearly three decades.

3. In that time, I have seen many things as Nigeria has struggled, sometimes against itself, to undertake the often painful yet inexorable push toward democratic government accountable to, and protective of, the people.

4. Here, let me directly address the sharp point aimed against me. I have been falsely accused of ordering the reported deployment of soldiers against peaceful protesters that took place at Lekki on 20 October 2020.

5. This allegation is a complete and terrible lie. I did not order this or any assault against anybody. I would never want such a vile thing to happen nor did I have any prior knowledge about this sad event.

6. It is my firm belief that no one should be harassed, injured or possibly killed for doing what they have the constitutional right to do in making their contribution to a better, more equitable society.

7. As a political figure, I am accustomed to people attributing to me all manner of indiscretions of which I have no knowledge and in which I played no role. I have usually ignored such falsities as the cost of being in the public eye.

8. This time, it is different. The allegation now levied against me is that I called on soldiers to kill my own people. This allegation is the foulest of lies.

9. The use of strong force against any peaceful protesters is indefensible, completely outside the norms of a democratic society and progressive political culture to which I aspire and have devoted my public life.

10. That people were angered by the reports of violence and death is acutely understandable.
Understandably outraged, people sought to hold someone accountable.

11. For various reasons, I became the most available scapegoat. Some people don't like me because they believe the false rumours uttered about me over the years. Some maligned my name because they hide ulterior motives & harbour unrequited political scores they intend to settle

12. A week ago, such people tried to bring enmity between me and the state and federal governments by contending I was sponsoring the protests.

13. When that did not work, they then sought to sow enmity between me and the people by saying I ordered soldiers to quash the very same protests they first accused me of organising.

14. My opponents have every right to oppose me politically but let them have the courage to do so in the open, above board and to employ facts not evil fiction in their efforts against me.

15. They have no right to slander and defame anyone with the terrible and vile fabrications now cast at my feet.

16. Those who have decided to hate me will hate me regardless of the truth. Again, they have the right to think as they may and I am not troubled by their unfounded animus. Today, I speak not to them. I leave them to the workings of their own conscience.

17. The slander aimed at me is based on the untruth that I own the toll gate concession. The hate mongers prevaricate that I ordered the Lekki assault because the protests had caused me to lose money due to the interruption of toll gate activity.

18. I ask people to thoroughly investigate the matter of my alleged ownership of the toll gate. By seeking facts, instead of being swayed by gossip, you will find I have no ownership interest or involvement in the toll gate.

19. At bottom, the toll gate is a public asset. If it is reopened, revenues should be donated to the confirmed victims of the Lekki attack as well as to other identifiable victims of police brutality in Lagos.

20. Let government use the money to compensate and take care of those who have lost life or limb in the struggle for all citizens to go about the quiet, peaceful enjoyment of life without fear of undue harassment at this or that checkpoint.

21. On the other hand, I am, indeed, a promoter and financial investor in The Nation and TVC. It was widely known and circulated through social media that certain malevolent elements were going to take advantage of the situation to attack the Nation newspaper facilities & TVC.

22. These elements, mostly hirelings of my political opponents, wreaked their havoc and destroyed those buildings and facilities and I thank God that the employees of these two media institutions managed to escape largely unharmed.

23. There is no rationale that can adequately explain why I would order soldiers to repel peaceful protesters from the toll gate where I have no financial interest, yet, choose to do nothing to protect my investments in the Nation and TVC.

24. The good and creative people of Lagos have worked hard over the years to build it into the dynamic economic and cultural focal point it has become. Lagos has enjoyed over two decades of sustained, uninterrupted growth.

https://twitter.com/AsiwajuTinubu/status/1320417942299955207?s=19
Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 7:33am On Oct 20, 2020
Eje2019:
is there any possibility that assu will call off the strike this week?
None whatsoever. Not that this gives me any pleasure to say.

Government is reconstituting its negotiation team, and ASUU branches have rejected the FG's initial offer (all empty *promises*). The negotiation dance is just commencing. If I had to guess, I'd say resumption should be sometime in November if both sides are willing to make reasonable compromises -as initial signs suggest.

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Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 4:51pm On Oct 19, 2020
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Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 3:47pm On Oct 19, 2020
maasoap:

ASUU is telling FG to adopt the payment platform whose integrity is still being subjected to tests ahead of a popular and well accepted platform. That should call for concern!
Are you sure you're familiar with the details of this story?
ASUU is 100% in support of government's so-called integrity testing. Neither ASUU, nor even the government have said otherwise. Please read some of Ngige's recent pronouncements on the issue to understand that the issue integrity testing.

Popular? You mean the MULTIPLE government agencies that have opted out? Or the other university unions who initially went in happily that are now on strike because 8 months after, it is still not working?

Mind you, I am not comparing universities and other agencies. Fact of the matter is that university autonomy is a thing, not just in Nigeria, but globally.

More like employee dictating to his or her employer
What I know for a fact is this: the story of university education in Nigeria has long been that FG either never shows cognizance of known global best practices, or demonstrates the appetite to embrace them. ASUU has had to force the FG to do the right thing in almost every instance. This might be no different. You can term that "dictating" if you wish, but I don't necessarily agree with that characterization. I myself prefer "educating".

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Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 1:08pm On Oct 19, 2020
wellmax:
...some random rubbish ...

E pele, Mr. Ignoramus with small English. Internet-savvy bunkum? Geez. Must you wield words bigger than you? For your information, my usage is very apt. Here's one definition: an ignorant or stupid person. Have you not shown yourself to be ignorant? Even when a teacher offered to show you evidence to the contrary, you would rather wallow in your ignorance. Says a lot about what sort of student you must have been.

ASUU selfish my foot. TETFund (ETF) was ASUU's idea. Today it is what sustains not just universities but also polytechnics. It is what has allowed the construction of scores of facilities used by students around the country . Non-teaching staff are trained and funded from it. All of these based on the struggle of the same ASUU that twits like you label selfish.

What you need to realize is that the baying of people like you is meaningless, apart from being a source of mild annoyance. You can change nothing, froth as you may. Abacha, Babangida, Obasanjo, they all bowed to ASUU. The present government will too, so don't get your bp raised for nothing
Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 12:03pm On Oct 19, 2020
wellmax:
...What has been their individual or joint contribution to the nation.
That you're still asking this after the information I gave you earlier outs you as sentimental, mischievous, or a slow learner. I tried to politely correct you (no funding == no contributions; good funding == good contributions), but like many Nigerians, you prefer to stick with you unfounded and ignorant take on the issue.

Check out all the strike by ASUU, if ALWAYS for selfish purposes. I was in school for 7 years for a 5 year course, without a single carryover. No thanks to ASUU. They are nothing but a selfish union, taking advantage of the government. No be their fault, na the way Nigeria be.

Just like you, there are those of us who are working internally against strikes. Our motive may however shock you. The primary reason why ASUU doesn't see eye to eye with the government is the union's stand against high school fees. I have always opined that ASUU has no business keeping fees down. Let's ask for our rights and leave the government to sort out their sources: fees or taxes; wetin concern us?

You'll soon get what you want: a world without strikes. I am tired of ignoramuses like you calling people like me selfish for my improperly-remunerated lifetime of service and for fighting the FG to keep education accessible to the underprivileged . The fight must stop. Two possible outcomes: either public universities become useless, neglected shells with all good lecturers moving to private universities that would proliferate, or government jerks up the tuition to sustain the high quality we demand. Neither of those outcomes is bad for ASUU.

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Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 11:41am On Oct 19, 2020
gbengaeed:
...Don't tell me that when the idea of IPPIS is been conceived nobody factor ASUU into it, and why is it difficult for them to work with the FG on how it will accommodate their payment structure rather than rejecting the platform

Simple. The idea of mainstreaming academics into the civil service goes against the spirit of university autonomy and global best practices. In any case, the post that you quoted wasn't defending either IPPIS or UTAS. If you're clicking the "Quote" button, please reply to something I actually addressed in the post you're quoting.

. and bro. after 30 years in a job you should be planing your exit. though you start planning exit from Day 1.[/i]
Again, my post says or implies nothing about preparing for retirement.
Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 11:14am On Oct 19, 2020
gbengaeed:
...A crook will always remain a crook, and ASUU and his member are the most notorius of our time.
People locked in a job paying less than 550k per month after 40 years of arduous mental labor are crooks ?
Lol. Bros, fear God.

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Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 10:49am On Oct 19, 2020
DEADALIVE:
...youths can fight ASUU for their academic freedom
Believe me, nobody is stopping you. You are only lucky that the anti-tuition school of thought in ASUU still has the upper hand.
I pray you get what you want , and I pray you (and not just your children) partake in it fully.
Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 10:46am On Oct 19, 2020
maasoap:


After all this rant, the point still remains the fact that FG is the employer while ASUU is the employee.
This is platform that the man was claiming is better than IPPIS

I usually avoid posting about IPPIS because the issue is complicated.|

I do want to address the fallacy behind your point above, which is an all too common riposte.
The academic-government compact is one that is not defined by the NIGERIAN FG!!! It is governed by global best practices that have been in place for decades. Why should it shock you that ASUU knows more about these best practices than the FG?

Yes, an informed employee can educate the employer since the rules are dictated by conventions that are more powerful than this particular employer. Academic staff are not regular civil servants. Why should this be the case in Nigeria?

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Education / Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 10:35am On Oct 19, 2020
wellmax:

...All Nigerian universities combined, what contribution have they made to national development aside graduating half baked graduates every year and going on strike.

You guys should stop asking this question. It only shows you're oblivious of current affairs.

Just the most recent example : https://ace.aau.org/ace-1-centers/acegid/
They (and other Nigerian collaborators) were the first in Africa to sequence the NCOV-SARS2 virus. The same Africa that contains South Africa, home to the continent's best universities! They have also indicated that they are capable of producing a vaccine if properly funded.

The lesson for you is this: the Center is funded by the World Bank and not FG. Do you think it is a coincidence that we suddenly start having world-class contributions when adequate funding was provided? Isn't this what ASUU has been singing to people like you and the FG for years?

Sidon there dey ask JAMB question.

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Education / Re: ASUU, FG Meeting Inconclusive, Adjourned by proffemi: 8:30am On Oct 16, 2020
TGM2015:


Until what birth #EndSARS happen in educational sector, we will realise that government is not the Executives and Legislators but the people, in this case ASUU and NANS. If education is the bedrock of a national, if the standards of education determined the development level of a nation, then, we should start to search and come to term to who the real drivers of educational sector are. To me, they are the NUT and ASUU, without them, there can't be educational sector and if there is no educational sector, there cannot be a develop nation.

Remember the government are not the executives or the legislators but the people. My submission, Nigeria as a country in real and technical terms, is in the hands of the teachers/lecturer. This is an unwritten and hidden obligations of all educators.

You are preaching to the choir here.
The lecturers are alive to their responsibilities, so I have no idea what gives you the right to spew the implied accusations you started off with.

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Education / Re: ASUU, FG Meeting Inconclusive, Adjourned by proffemi: 7:53am On Oct 16, 2020
I had to log in to respond because your post just rubs me up the wrong way.

TGM2015:
From the post you quoted, it reads develop and push, did they push?
What do you mean "push"? You mean as in force government to accept their solutions where appropriate? So now, they must not only teach and do research, but also possess government and force uptake??

Anyway, for any lecturer to be relevant in his or her fields, to get to be recommended for professorship or maintain his/her professorship; they must write for research journals and publications. And the research must make sense, so, those researches you are referring to may not be for the purpose of helping the government but helping themselves to attain and maintained their career.
Convenient way to downplay their contributions, right? You mean the research group that was the first in Africa to sequence the SARS-COV2 coronavirus did it just for promotion? Or that the COVID-19 vaccine they are about to start producing (the only one in Africa that I am aware of) is just for them and their grandmothers

And again, you are referring to individual ASUU members and not ASUU as a union. Has ASUU as a union proffer solution(s) to any Nigeria problems before? If at all they have, what did they do to make it a reality? At least in the last 10 years, ASUU must have gone on strike for over 3 years accumulatively to get the government dance to their demands on what and how they MUST be paid.
I'm sure you know what a trade union is. So I hope you don't have any unrealistic expectations.
Now for your information, over the years, ASUU has made immense contributions to the nation. If you aren't too young, then you probably know that ASUU was one of the fiercest voices of opposition to successive military juntas.

But closer to their core mandate, ASUU came up with the idea of TETFUND, one of the most innovative funding schemes for education anywhere in the world. TETFUNDis the only reason why the universities are where they are today (they would have entirely collapsed). In fact, the FG now regularly dips into TETFUND to fund all sorts of programmes that have nothing to do with tertiary education.

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 4:07pm On Oct 08, 2020
Meto1234:

from 30k To 150k abeg were u dey skul self .ill
Skul? You tink sey na everibodi here bi ur mate? (hey, just trying to speak your lingo grin )
Not a student mate. Countless students born after I started lecturing have graduated from the university.
Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 12:06pm On Oct 08, 2020
DeejaywonDJ1:


Every citizens that pay taxes or that his/her parent pay taxes deserve quality education at all level that must be provided by government finance public institutions.

If you saw the chart I posted, then you know that Nigeria's tax regime can't support free education programmes.

But as I said in another post, continue the demand for free tertiary education, you hear? You will soon get it. But when you do, nobody go tell you when you go waka borrow money attend Covenant University. Of course by then, you and the FG would have totally wrecked public tertiary education.

All I would have to say then would be "congratulations, you got what you wanted".

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 11:24am On Oct 08, 2020
DeejaywonDJ1:


You'll need to develop your citizens first before you start increasing tuition costs, that's what Awolowo did. There's something we call disparity in income earning and inequality in education, how do you want someone who earn 50,000 per month to pay for the quality education worth 5 - 15 million naira offer by private primary and secondary tertiary schools and won't have choice but to enroll his children in low quality public education. There are stages in education development, no country can develop with uneducated citizens.

Obviously you now see the folly in demanding for "free" education that ends up costing the student his future.

Government cannot wait to "develop her citizens" first before charging fairly for education. At least I wouldn't do it, because - going by the posts on this thread alone - the citizens are not ready to be developed. If they were, they'd be willing to swallow some bitter truths. However, our citizens prefer to be hoodwinked. People like that don't have the spine to put in the hard work required to "develop her citizens" (sic).

In any case, the clamor for free education is preventing the commencement of the much more important conversation: how do we put scholarships in place to ensure that deserving poor students have access to tertiary education that is priced fairly enough to guarantee some minimum quality?

That is an important conversation, but people like you make it impossible to have it cos you muddy the waters with your misguided shouts for free education.

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 10:57am On Oct 08, 2020
The problem with most Nigerians and the reason why the ruling class will play them like fiddles forever is that they are always penny wise, pound foolish. The want the verisimilitude of getting their rights, even if they are actually being swindled. The elites know this, so they manipulate them by singing populist songs while mortgaging their futures.

Nothing is ever FREE. Not education, not healthcare. Someone is paying for it. In the countries you are comparing yourselves to, they fund thee programs through heavy taxes. Here in Nigeria, you don't want to pay taxes, yet you don't want to pay for education. Everyone (even ASUU sometimes!) seems to assume government will fund everything from oyel money. Never going to happen.

So what happens? The elites smirk and make the promise you what you want to hear. Because you do not deserve honest leaders.

Consider what happened to secondary education in Nigeria. After so many years of the masses demanding for free secondary education, they now have it. But guess what? Except for a few notable exceptions, "free" secondary education is a sad mistake that I m sure nobody on this thread will go for unless they had no choice. The poor think they have won that battle. The elites simply smirk again as their kids who attended expensive private schools grab all the openings in sight, while the children of the poor suffer for their parents' collective myopia.

A friend in one of the best departments in my university recently carried out a survey. He found out that over 90% of students in his department who took the survey were admitted from private (paying) secondary schools. So what happened? The poor got their "free" secondary education, but it is basically useless. Most of them struggle to get into polytechnics. They graduate and then start cursing the FG and creating Nairaland threads about how their education is useless.

How won't it be useless? They got the "free" education they wanted.

Take it from me, education cannot be "free" and "fit for purpose". You have to choose one. And while you do it, respect the man who has the balls to tell you the truth, because the one who will smirk and lie to you is waiting to destroy your life and those of your children with a useless free product.

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 10:29am On Oct 08, 2020
DeejaywonDJ1:


What's the meaning of tuition free oga, you seems dumb and incoherent. There is nothing free in this world except nature. What you're not paying for directly is assume to be free, weather it's funded by grant, endowment, tax, donations scholarship etc. Since you're not paying for the service directly it's free, you need to consult your dictionary analphabetic fatuousness being.

Obviously you're the one that's dumb and ignorant.
The point is that countries with stronger social policies fund education by spreading the cost through higher taxes. The Nigerian economy is not structured that way, and so we use a model where the cost is borne directly by the student.
If you prefer pictures, there's a chart to educate you on Page 3 of this thread.

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 10:25am On Oct 08, 2020
onecoder:

Get your facts right.
And international students pay for the education they get through what?

Please don't quote me unless you know what you're talking about. I just posted a chart above that should stop all the ignorant babbling.

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 10:11am On Oct 08, 2020
DeejaywonDJ1:


Stop displaying your inherent ignorance Bro,
Tertiary Education is free in most part of the world and those who are not free, students have access to loan, grant and scholarship.
These are countries with free tertiary public schools for their citizens.

It's the smart ones like you that get themselves and others into trouble. Tertiary education is not free anywhere. Countries with "free" tertiary education fund it from substantially increased taxes. Here's a chart I got from a friend. It doesn't contain your full list of countries, but I'm sure you can complete the chart if you so desire.

Summary: for a country with low tax regime like Nigeria, STOP EXPECTING FREE TERTIARY EDUCATION!

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 10:00am On Oct 08, 2020
onecoder:

Its free in germany, austria.
Mr i too know.

Actually, *you* are the one conveniently forgetting that citizens pay for the "free" education through heavy taxes.
Or perhaps you didn't know?

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 9:58am On Oct 08, 2020
DeejaywonDJ1:

But can you compare the quality of free tuition Germany schools and Nigeria non tuition free school quality.
Tertiary education is never free.
In the case of Germany, it is funded through a heavy tax regime.

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Politics / Re: Akeredolu: I Won't Reduce Tuition Fees Of Tertiary Institutions In Ondo by proffemi: 9:11am On Oct 08, 2020
Johnnyessence:
ondo youths and good students of all the state tertiary institutions in ondo state, I hope you dey watch it and read it now. Akeredolu has performed woefully in ondo state. he's against free education in ondo state.

Nigerians like free things, yet they'll be the first to complain about the quality.
Free tertiary education? Kwantinue.

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Education / Re: October 12 Resumption: We Can’t Work On Empty Stomach, Strike Indefinite – ASUU by proffemi: 6:12pm On Oct 06, 2020
Xixtie:

None of your claims makes any sense anymore immediately you said no professor earns more than 500k.
It is just like a son of a carpenter arguing with a son of a Doctor over how much a doctor earns.
I know how much Pop earned when he was an ordinary assistant lecturer over 20 years ago to this current level of his.
I won't argue with a dildo_ over something obvious.

Really sad when an ignoramus shouts louder than those trying to inform her.
If all you've said about your "dad" are true, then one can conclude that he is one of the rotten eggs giving ASUU a bad name. You've just come here to open his "yansh". You should be ashamed of yourself for the aggressiveness with which you are defending your baseless stance.

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Education / Re: I Graduated With A 2.2, How Do I Become A University Lecturer? by proffemi: 9:54pm On Oct 02, 2020
IamDavid:
Hi people, I just graduated with a 2.2 in one of the sciences. (CGPA 3.3). I admit that was due to my carelessness. Recently, I have this strong ambition to become a university lecturer and rise to the peak of my career.

Now, these are my concerns. What are the chances of getting a lecturing job (after I might have gotten my PhD) considering the 2.2 Bsc result? Or it
doesn't matter once there are higher qualifications?

Most posters don't know what they're talking about. It depends on the university, and when (what year) you apply.
Some universities (like mine) are returning to a minimum of 2.1 for lecturing jobs. Wouldn't matter if the candidate had higher degrees.
Posters mentioning (former) lecturers who graduated with 2.2 or 3 degrees should note that this is just reflective of the rot that has overtaken the system due to anemic funding. 2.1. is generally the minimum requirement for lecturing gigs, and with the NUC increasingly tightening standards, this minimum is likely to become applicable nationwide in the near future.

Is it worthwhile to sit for JAMB again and start all afresh? I'm still in my mid twenties and the drive is high. I know I can do it, but is it necessary / worth it?
Probably not. If you're dead set that this is what you want, find a university that accepts 2.2. But be warned: you will find yourself competing with 1 and 2.1. students. I've been involved in multiple Selection interviews for my department, and we've always had so many 2.1's that we rarely shortlisted 2.2s even when the university allowed them to apply.

Good luck.

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Education / Re: I Regretted Going To University by proffemi: 9:12pm On Sep 28, 2020
michkings:
Those people saying school is not meant for one to get job after, are talking rub**sh, you are saying this because most of you are opportune to have a backup after school to stand a business or to pursue your dream...

Let me say this, school should be capable of placing a qualified graduate to a better position, so please let's not be too sentimental here and face the reality...

NO sir. The goal of university education is not to place a qualified graduate in a better position.
It is first and foremost to teach how to think.
Secondly, it is to give you sufficient knowledge about a course of study that the graduate can function at a minimum level in a specific discipline.

It is the responsibility of the student to find and nurture something of value in themselves which can be amplified by their education.
Agreed that some universities societies (particularly outside Nigeria) make the last part easier, but I guarantee you that Nigerian universities do enough, as long as the student is willing to apply himself. Evidence: the thousands of graduates who get jobs every year without needing "connections".
Education / Re: I Regretted Going To University by proffemi: 9:00pm On Sep 28, 2020
nokia1000:
My certificates have become useless. I graduated in 2008, passed out of NYSC in 2010. Till date I have not used my certificates for anything. What I am regretting in my life now is time I wasted in the university. My wife graduated in 2015, she is now learning tailoring because she couldn't get a job too.

Sorry OP, university education is not a guarantee that you will get a job. Its primary function is to teach you how to think. When you know how to think, have ideas, and apply yourself (both as a student and after), you will make it. If no job offer comes along, such an individual will have something valuable to offer society, which can be the basis of a business.

Problem is, many students have ZERO idea what they want to do with their lives and show little interest in finding a unique skill or enterprise to call their own. They float though the university passing whatever course they are required to pass, apparently in the hopes that once they brandish a certificate, there'll be a job waiting somewhere.

This is what happens to such individuals.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but we need to be honest with ourselves; not just for your sake, but for the sake of current students visiting this thread.

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