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I wish i could be eloquent and succinct as Paris_Love when it comes to these rebuttals.

Ghazzal, except you wish to totally ignore your sources that Paris_love used, then you are not a true muslim. Her being a Christian is by the way. The question you need to ask is for her to provide sources.

I think this Abdulsleek guy is a Christian.

@ the UN, your freedom is being negotiated but not one noise from the mainstream media. These guys are equally complicit in the whole sorry debacle. Those who are thinking people already see what is unfolding before our eyes or away from our eyes. You will only knmow when it is a crime and there is no going back after that.....

@Tintingz, you said to show you in the bible where Jesus said He was the Son of God. I showed you and you've run away from that to a different argument entirely. Do you now admit He said it?

Sahih Bukahri Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:

Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up  saying,   “O Allah’s  Apostle!  Would you  like   that   I  kill  him?”  The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab).  “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, “That man (i.e.  Muhammad demands  Sadaqa  (i.e.  Zakat)   from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Kab said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Now as we have  followed him,  we do not  want   to  leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel   load or   two of   food.”

(Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, “Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me.” Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, “What do you want?” Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the ‘Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your  sons  to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel   load of food.  That would cause   us   great   disgrace,   but  we  will  mortgage   our   arms   to   you. “Muhammad   bin   Maslama   and   his   companion   promised   Kab   that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab’s foster brother, Abu Na’ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Kab replied,  “None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na’ila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka’b said. “They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.” Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as  ‘Abu bin  Jabr.  Al  Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head.” Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. “have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka’b replied. “I have got the best  Arab  women  who   know  how   to   use   the   high   class   of   perfume.” Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your   head?”   Ka’b   said,   “Yes.”  Muhammad   smelt   it   and made   his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf.”

@Tintingz,

John 10:36 NKJV

do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

Kool J if you have evidence verses of the Quran or hadiths you can use them. No need for mocking with what you put in brackets. And I'm not Muslim.

@manmacho, Google is your friend. No need posting website where you can find these as they might be anti-islamic websites.

What the French cartoonist has done is not the wisest but and a big but Lagosshia, you have just subscribed to what the french cartoonist is saying by saying violence is justified for any insult or perceived insult to the prophet.

If nothing happens as a result of this silly cartoon because even I admit its totally unnecessary, then the Muslims especially in France can actually stick two fingers at the cartoonist. We'll wait and see

Compare to this story in the Daily Mail today. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205235/Jesus-married-Proof-God-spoke-wife-Mary-Magdalene-ancient-papyrus.html. You can almost guarantee that nothing will happen.

We know Christ is divine, wasn't married, is the Son of the Most High God, so this story doesn't really bother us. Let the intellectuals keep making a fool of themselves.

But I thought its Islam that wants to dominate by all means. Perhaps you are not aware of that but I doubt it.

If I post from Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Ibn Ishaq, Abu Dawood and the Quran, it'll probably get hidden

Yes a true Christian tries to live a Christ-like life. We strive but we realise that we are not perfect the more we draw nearer to him. But Christ also told us through the letter to the Corinthians that His grace is sufficient for us. Also the Holy Spirit helps to strengthen us by bringing to our remembrance the things that Christ taught us as we are aware in John 14,15 and 16

Of course there are a few Arab Christians left just like the Copt who was responsible for the movie. You and I know the persecution they live under in these countries, the Egyptians, Syriac, Assyrians and many more (but this is not news to the west), so some rightly or wrongly will resort to avenues like to air their grievances but this is not the topic for that.

Do Germans have the right to know that some people view the Holocaust as a lie and big fabrication? No, Germans are not allowed to deny or even question the official version of the Holocaust story meaning that even in certain "truths" are unquestionable.

Germany (and other countries) have laws expressly prohibiting denial of the Holocaust. The general idea is to limit mninmizing the scale and scope of the evils of the Holocaust - largely to ensure it does not repeat itself.

Thank You TroGunn

@vedaxcool, are we allowed to recognise the Armenian genocide without Turkey getting its knickers in a twist? The Church in Smryna suffered persecution

As much as I really don't regard the BBC, here you go. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18758078

@vedaxcool, before you post stuff like this, at least do some groundwork. A Lebanese news website posted the story as well. I do not like posting websites lest we be accused of deliberately insulting propaganda against Islam. The page was in Arabic by the way to give it some credibility

http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/ar-LB/usa-killed-lybia-zek-970.htm. If you dont understand Arabic, you can translate into English. The gist is the same.

But a true Muslim will want to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet now? Abi?

Bro Ola, thanks for the video clips. I heard this first from Bro Walid Shoebat and definitely the spirit of God is one. As we know from book of Daniel, knowledge will increase in the last days and we are definitely seeing prophecies fulfill right before our very eyes.

Lai lai......my Lord in heaven will deny me if I denied Him to save my life. If I did then I would fulfil 1 John 2:18-19. Jesus Christ said he who tries to save his life will lose it but he who loses his for His sake will save it. Fear not the one that kill the body but fear He who can kill the body and destroy the soul in hell

Frosbel, Plappville, you guys did not recognise my sarcasm....I wish to God it was only few that give Islam a bad image. The attack, we now know was coordinated and it DEFINITELY WASNT BECAUSE OF THE FILM..The way Chris Stevens was tortured and r@ped before he was murdered according to a Lebanese news is sickening, if those reports are true.

@Sweetnecta, taqqiya might work on the liberals, definitely not here. How did the Mideast become Islam? It definitely was not because prophet Mohammed preached nicely to them...

Toba, what you should have done is debunk all the falsehood that beta things posted...

Let me come back to him....

No but its only a few extremists who give Islam a bad image.

I'm going to protest because you have insulted my Lord. You make my Lord into nothing special. This is like insulting the people closest to me. I incredibly upset.

@Sweetnecta, what teachings do you obey? From the bible or Quran? Where are those teachings in the Quran found? If found in the Quran, are they directed to a set of people or to everyone?

Many Thanks.

Wow and that is just chapter 2! Chapter 8 nko and 9?

You guys have answering-Christianity.com so what is the problem? If you are so secure in the faith, a website should not be a cause for concern. If there is any falsehood on the site, you can always give rebuttals to put things straight.

According to our Sierra Leonean friends (not to so?)

Thank God for the girl, but how about the Christian population that have had their homes and livelihood destroyed. Their homes have been burnt because of this episode. The question I have for my fellow Muslim brothers is this, should the imam be sentenced to death or will he get a slap on the wrist? After all He desecrated the Quran by putting it with burnt papers. How did he get the pages of Quran to put in the bag of burnt papers. Either he tore the pages or someone else did..I guess he is not an infidel, that is why there no protests on the streets.

The little girl is not safe even after it has been discovered that she did not commit any crime. She can still be killed because someone overzealous person can take it upon himself to finish the job and that is the reason whey she is still being incarcerated....

The man is described in Dan 11.

Are we saying the book of Dan where the son of perdition is prophesied a myth? How do you account for that and especially Ezekiel 28.

We need proper exegesis from yourself. I wait for your response

@Frosbel,

The question I have is at what point does the Antichrist come and rule for seven years and break the treaty midway?

Well Yahweh/Jehovah never asked Job to beat his wife but Allah did....Hmmmm, what to believe... taps fingers on table. I think I would believe the story written when it happened not what was revealed at least a thousand years later.

Mr Hightower, This car is from Czech Republic. Might have been shipped from Germany though

Yes, that one...Looks like you know this particular passage, if so why do you ask the question? If its just how people use it, how do you reconcile how women are treated in Saudi Arabia and other Sharia states?

Jallowbah, it says so in Surah 4:34. Google is your friend...

Norway: Muslim cleric calls for beheading of those who fail to fast on Ramadan

"Plans on opening 200 student Muslim school..."
On the heels of the Muslim terrorist groupAnsar al-Sunna’ demanding a section of the Norweigian capitol be ceded to them as a fundamentalist Muslim nation or face terrorist attacks that would rival 9/11, a Muslim imam is calling for the beheading of all those who fail to fast during Ramadan.
Alarmingly enough, the Norwegian-Pakistani imam Fayed Sarased Ali Bukhari, wants to establish a school for 200 children in the Oslo area.
In a news broadcast from the Norweigian Broadcasting Company (NRK -Norsk Rikskringkasting), Bukhari was caught on video stating: "If a person doesn’t fast during Ramadan, he is mocking Islam. And if the person is in a muslim state, the authorities must behead him."
Not quite done yet, the Muslim cleric also stated:
"For a person who doesn’t perform his daily prayers, and is of age and sound mind, the most lenient punishment in an islamic state is incarceration.
In certain schools of law there would be grounds to kill them."
According to NRK, they have attempted to contact with Bukhari, but he refuses to be interviewed.

http://www.examiner.com/article/norway-muslim-cleric-calls-for-beheading-those-who-fail-to-fast-on-ramadan

PA Sheikh to PA police:
"Strike with an iron fist" those who eat in public during Ramadan

A Palestinian Authority cleric has ruled that the PA must prohibit eating in public during Ramadan and should severely punish anyone who violates this law. To back up his ruling, he cited a Hadith (Islamic tradition attributed to Muhammad) that for anyone who fails to fast, "his blood becomes permitted [to be shed]." He called on PA police to "strike with an iron fist" and give "the heaviest punishments" to those who eat in public.

Palestinian Media Watch reported earlier this month that the PA has prohibited even non-Muslims from eating in public during the month of fasting, and that 6 people had been arrested by the PA for public eating.

The following is the text of the ruling, which was published by Sheikh Hassan Ahmed Jaber, Mufti of the Rafiah district and a member of the Supreme Council for Religious Rulings in Palestine, in his daily Ramadan column:

"The Prophet [Muhammad] said: 'The pillars of religion and foundations of Islam are three, and whoever neglects any one of them - his blood is permitted [to be shed]: the testimony that there is no God but Allah; fasting [during Ramadan]; and prayer.' [Hadith] Anyone who eats in public during Ramadan, denying the commandment of the fast and renouncing it, is violating Allah's laws and rebelling against Allah, Who said: 'O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you...' [Sura 2, verse 183]. [By eating] he leaves the circle of Islam, and his blood becomes permitted [to be shed]. Also, eating in public during Ramadan hurts the sensitivities of all Muslims around the entire world...
Therefore, I call upon all our [security] services in the PA to strike with an iron fist anyone who gives in to temptation and eats in public during Ramadan, by applying the heaviest punishments, until our society is pure, clean and close to Allah."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Aug. 13, 2012]

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=7261

The Hisbah in Kano are just doing their job...For those who are saying what they did was over the top, perhaps you want to clarify with the Imam in Norway and Palestine who is over the top or who isn't.

In this regard they (Hisbah) are very fair in not beheading those detained..