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And how do we know that the apes are different? Do they have different DNA? How do we know they are different? Did the apes we evolved from leave any clue to say they are different to the apes of today or even us. Prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that this soo

PAGAN 9JA,

The theory of evolution hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt. All the time, there is always a missing link that is found. Could this be the missing link, could that be the missing link. If it was proven beyond doubt there will be no missing links.

If we evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have them? What are we evolving to? How can we measure how far we have evolved?

@Lagosshia, in reference to the last post by Tiarabubu, I think you had to say something just for the sake of it. You have made no sense whatsoever.

@Lagosshia, you say it is not against the Muslims. OK. Acid test. Has the prophecy been fulfilled yet? If this had been fulfilled when it was written by Habakkuk then fine but if its still to be fulfilled you need to put your spiritual cap on. The lands that The Lord visits in that passage are all Muslim lands.

Another example is the battle of Magog. Consensus agree its for a later time. The lands involved are all Muslim lands.

I pray the Lord opens the eyes of you guys so you see the truth and embrace it. Amen.

@Lagosshia, the Habakkuk verse you quoted 3:3 is actually a prophecy against muslims if only you would read the verse and its context!

If read from the start all to verse 7 and beyond you will see the affliction that awaits that region

3 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet, on Shigionoth.[a]

2 O Lord, I have heard Your speech and was afraid;
O Lord, revive Your work in the midst of the years!
In the midst of the years make it known;
In wrath remember mercy.
3 God came from Teman,
The Holy One from Mount Paran. Selah
His glory covered the heavens,
And the earth was full of His praise.
4 His brightness was like the light;
He had rays flashing from His hand,
And there His power was hidden.
5 Before Him went pestilence,
And fever followed at His feet.
6 He stood and measured the earth;
He looked and startled the nations.
And the everlasting mountains were scattered,
The perpetual hills bowed.
His ways are everlasting.
7 I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction;
The curtains of the land of Midian trembled.

He is coming from Teman and going to Cushan and Midian...Where is Teman? Some bible scholars have identified this to be Yemen...Where is Cushan, Cush?? Scholars agree its South of Egypt (Sudan). Where is Midian? This is Arabia.

R.ape-Murder of a Buddhist girl by Muslims led to riots: Myanmar Ambassador

Myanmar: Rape and murder of Buddhist girl by Muslims led to riots, and "it is totally untrue that hundreds or thousands have been killed and that those killed were Muslims"
And then the Muslims claimed victimhood status. We have seen this so many times before. "Rape-Murder of a Buddhist girl by Muslims led to riots: Myanmar Ambassador," by Mumtaz Alam Falahi for TwoCircles.net, July 22 (thanks to Maxwell):

New Delhi: Amidst spreading anger among Muslims in India over the killings of Muslims in Myanmar, the Embassy of Myanmar in New Delhi has come up with first official and detailed explanation about the violent clashes, its origin and the measures the Government of Myanmar has adopted to control the situation and provide relief to the victims.
According to Myanmar Ambassador Zin Yaw, what has happened recently in the Rakhine State of Myanmar was violent clashes and riots between Buddhists and Muslims in the state – it was not one-sided killing of Muslims by another group with the support of the state. According to Yaw, only 79 persons comprising members of both communities have been killed in the riots that started on 30th May 2012. He termed the photos of mass killings of Muslims as fake and described the reports as baseless accusations. He further said that the violent clashes began after the rape and murder of a Buddhist girl by three Muslims in Rakhine State on 28th May.

The ambassador has made this clarification in reply to a letter by Dr Tasleem Ahmed Rahmani, President, Muslim Political Council of India. Mr. Rahmani had written to the ambassador on 19th July seeking appointment for a meeting of Muslim leaders with the ambassador over the reported killings of Muslims in Myanmar....

Main points of the letter of Myanmar ambassador
-- On 28 May this year, a Rakhine Buddhist girl was raped and killed by three Muslims in Kyaukpyu district of Rakhine State. The perpetrators were arrested and put in police custody.

-- On 30 May, 100 people including relatives of the girl and villagers came to the police station asking police to hand over the accused to them. Police refused and opened fire to disperse the mob.

-- On 3 June in a town called Taunggup, a group of about 300 Rakhine Buddhists attacked 10 Muslim passengers on a bus travelling to Yangon. All 10 were killed on the spot. This led to violent clashes between Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims. The situation went out of control.

-- Curfew was imposed by the State Government on 8 June 2012. However, clashes continued. State of Emergency was declared in Rakhine State by the Union Government on 10 June. Army was called in to control the situation. The situation is now back to normal completely.

--During the clashes, both Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims, 79 persons in total, were killed and many injured. It is totally untrue that hundreds or thousands have been killed and that those killed were Muslims. The deaths were caused by either group to each other, not by others. Houses and property worth millions of dollars were destroyed. Thousands of victims have become homeless.

-- The government formed on 6 June 2012 an Investigation Committee headed by the Deputy Minister of Home Affairs to investigate all aspects of the unfortunate incident and submit a report to the President.

-- 30 Rakhine Buddhist suspects have already been detained so far.

-- Relief camps, 72 in total, have been set up separately for Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims. Basic needs of food, clothing and medicines of the victims have been met by the government.

-- In coordination with the government, UN agencies in the country, including UNHCR, UNFPA, WFP and UNOCHA, and INGOs have also been providing humanitarian assistance to the victims.

--Lt. Gen. Thein Htay, Union Minister for Border Affairs and for Myanmar Industrial Development, accompanied by Mr. Vijay Nambiar, Special Envoy of the UN Secretary-General, officials from UN agencies, 15 Muslim leaders from Yangon visited Rakhine State recently

Full text of the letter of Myanmar ambassador

Dear Dr. T.A. Rahmani,
I would like to provide you the following information:-

On what happened:
On 28 May this year, a Rakhine Buddhist girl was raped and killed by three men near one of the villages in Kyaukpyu district of Rakhine State, which is bordering Bangladesh.

Through the investigation conducted by Kyaukpyu district police force, three persons, all Muslims, were exposed to be the perpetrators. They were put under protective custody in Kyaukpyu Jail on the morning of 30 May for fear of revenge from relatives of the deceased girl.

Relatives of the deceased girl and fellow villagers, about 100, went to the police station on the afternoon of 30 May and asked the police station to bring to them the three suspects. The police officers, who are Buddhists, did not allow them to enter the station compound and rejected their claim by saying that action would be taken against the three suspects in accordance with the law. This testifies to respect for law and the rule of law in the country. Unsatisfied with the response from the police officers, the relatives and fellow villagers attempted to enter the police station which compelled the police officers to fire five shots to disperse them.

On 3 June in a town called Taunggup, a group of about 300 Rakhine Buddhists attacked 10 Muslim passengers on a bus travelling to Yangon. All 10 were killed on the spot. The news on killing of 10 Muslims spread to the immediate neighbourhood and Muslims and Rakhine Buddhists in the neighbourhood attacked each other. This communal violence spread quickly to other parts of Maungtaw and then to Buthidaung, Sittway and Yathedaung townships in the Rakhine State where Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims have been living since long. The situation went out of control....

During the unfortunate incident, both Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims, 79 persons in total, were killed and many injured. It is totally untrue that hundreds or thousands have been killed and that those killed were Muslims. The deaths were caused by either group to each other, not by others. Houses and property worth millions of dollars were destroyed. Thousands of victims have become homeless. Both Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims suffered as a result of the lawlessness of a few....

Comment of the Embassy:
The Embassy of Myanmar sincerely hopes that you be well aware that violent clashes take place sometimes not only between different religions but even between different sects of the same religion. Whenever such ugly things happen, not only those who start but also who have nothing to do with such things suffer. The Embassy firmly believes that regardless of what religion one professes, all must live together peacefully based on respect for each other and laws of the country in which we reside. The recent clashes between Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims in the Rakhine State of our country are very unfortunate and the Embassy feels very sorry for all the victims without any reservation.

In Myanmar, Muslims are not only in Rakhine State but also elsewhere as those who profess other religions in the country. Buddhist pagodas and monasteries, Christian churches, Islamic mosques and Hindu temples exist side by side in many cities/towns/localities of the country. This can happen because of the deeply rooted religious tolerance in the country.

Fake photos or false information have been spread with an ill intention to agitate Muslims around the world by attempting to create the impression that Muslims are being discriminated or killed in Myanmar and that such acts are state sponsored. Such are unsubstantiated accusations. Please do not be misled by them.

I would like to request you to kindly share this information with your colleagues.

I wish you and your colleagues all the best.

With warm regards

Zin Yaw
Ambassador

http://twocircles.net/2012jul22/rapemurder_buddhist_girl_muslims_led_riots_myanmar_ambassador.html

There are 2 sides to every story. Which is true? Which do you believe?

Lekibraky, there really is no come back from this. This will go either of two ways and I have both ways covered. I wait for it to happen.

I thought Iranains were looking at a well and expecting the Mahdi to come out.

Is he divine? He was born all these years and in concealment and he is not dead? Keep deluding yourself.

I'm still waiting for his manifesto. When I said Islam is bent on world domination, you lied and said how is Islam trying to dominate the world. Who will lead the domination? You or the Mahdi? Did Mohammed not say in one of the hadiths that you must give your allegiance to him if even you have to crawl through Ice. I will look for the exact hadith and give to you (I'm sure you know it because you study) What is that if not world domination?

Please give me proof from the bible and not catholic encyclopedia..Where does it say in the bible that Mary was 12-13 and Joseph was 90?

You know you cannot abi this is the corrupted part

So a girl of 10 is mature in Islam? No wonder Yerima went to Egypt to get a child bride. Go and give your 10 year old physically and mentally mature daughter in marriage and come and give me the proof...

i have explained that in Islam if a girl has attained physical maturity (like menstruation) and also mental maturity (psychlogical),then she is good to marry.and i also said that each girl differs from another.therefore it is best,a maximum age that makes all maturity certain is set as minimum for marriage.i stated also that presently the limit or the age of consent in Iran is 16 for girls.

my grandfather was 47 and my grandmother was 13,when they got married.she bore him more than a dozen kids.

Mary was 12 to 14 and Joseph was 90 when she was betrothed. Give us proof that Mary was 12-14 and Joseph was 90. You've said this before but you have not given evidence/proof of this!!!

secularly there is no yardstick to measure or tell why a girl should be married at 10,14,16 or 18 years old.this age issue in the most civilized countries of the world has being unstable over the years.it has increased over time,but yet still we can only cite the advancement of time as reason for that.and the age of consent in a country in the west may be 16,but girls less than 16 still Be Intimate and do what they should not and no one forces them.unfortunately,people like you may see nothing wrong with that.

Ayatollah Khomeini is not "my ayatollah".he is one of many prominent Shia scholars.i do not have a monopoly over him.also,Ayatollah Khomeini got married to his wife,the daughter of a cleric,Khadija Saqafi at age 16.she was not ten.

He is not your Ayatollah but you are the same person insulting the wahabbis. Now the shiites are exposed suddenly he is not your Ayatollah. She was definitely 10!!! Stop lying! If she was 16 which still smells of paedophilia bring proof.

@Lagosshia, if I was the one that brought the story of adult breastfeeding, sleeping with a dead woman or Christian tomatoes, you would say I'm insulting Islam. Thank God you're the one that brought it, so we can do firm that it is true if it came from a Muslim..

By the way the ruling from your Ayatollah for marriage is age 10. Did your Ayatollah Khomeininot marry a 10 year old girl when he was 28? Abi you want to deny this one too?

@vedaxcool, this was never refuted. I saw this news week before last and followed up the response. It was never refuted!

@Lagosshia, I thought Shiites in Iran says its OK to marry young pubescent girls. Its not only Wahabbis/Sunnis that come out with such. You want to deny it I'll bring proof.

Islam (all sects are quite capable making fun of themselves)

Its always the wahabbi....Never other sects like Shias, always wahabbi.

Now what concerns Christ and the Mahdi? Who is the Mahdi? Who is the Antichrist? Are they the same person? What are the Mahdi's attributes? What are the antichrists' attributes? State them....hrist and the Mahdi have no business fighting together as they are not on the same side.

Where is the Mahdi as we speak? I thought people are waiting for him to come out of a well in Iran? Where will Christ come from and join the Mahdi to fight the Antichrist? Christ is coming from heaven, Mahdi is coming from a well. Does that add up to you? I thought they would come together?

Double Post

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Justaqad, excellent stuff. You fell for it...God is good because I wanted to quote Mark 12 but I didn't want to be accused of diversionary tactics. If you only read Mark 12 all the way to verse 39 you will see your fallacy falls on its head. Even from verse 1 the parable was clearly talking about Christs' divinity but you perhaps will not want to accept a parable. In case you do not want to read and accept it I will quote it for you

Mark 12:28-37 NKJV

[b]Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?” Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” But after that no one dared question Him. Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’ Therefore David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?” And the common people heard Him gladly.[/b]

Mr Justaqad, who did David call Lord?

This is Psalm 110 by the way. Father, Son and Holy Spirit in one place. trinity in Old Testament.

You have not answered if Jesus Christ existed before He came to earth through the virgin Mary?

Mr Lagosshia, you've started your deception again. You pick verses that agree with your warped but clearly ignore the verses that do not support your warped views....If Jesus is not God, did He exist before He was born of the virgin? Did Mohammed exist before he was born and started receiving revelations

Tintingz, justaqad, you can also chip in if you like...

What other Christians believe and what the bible says are 2 different things. The battle of Armageddon is the battle between Christ and the antichrist. This is well documented in the bible as well as exegesis.

The hadith i quoted which you know is not the same. Do not muddle it up and make it lost in translation.

Lagosshia, but this is false now. The battle of Armageddon is the battle between the Antichrist and Christ. AFTER THE RAPTURE has taken place and the antichrist has ruled. This has nothing to do with church denomination or sect believing it only will be saved and definitely you cannot liken it to that hadith that you agree with by the way.

So please try and spin something else. Once again, you are caught out.

But you agree that your Prophet said it. Why would Jehovah and Allah ask the Muslims to kill the Jews?

Justaqad, how about the hadiths now? are those out of context too?

Justaqad, either you have not studied Islam or your Imam is showing you nice verse from Koran and Hadiths.

Here's more

Bukhari (83:37) – “Allah’s Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate.”

Bukhari (52:260) – “…The Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ “ Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: (Bukhari (84:57)
Narrated ‘Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the [words of] Allah’s Apostle, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion,then kill him”

Bukhari (89:271) – A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to “the verdict of Allah and his apostle.”

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64: ( Bukhari (84:64-65)
Narrated ‘Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah’s Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.”

2good, hadiths also recorded killing of apostates from the mouth of the messenger of allah. I'm waiting for his rebuttal on this one.

Justaqad, I'm waiting for the proof.

The God of the Old Testament is DEFINITELY NOT Allah.

If that is so, prove it!!!

Spenca, if they are the same diety, why are the dhimmis in Egypt? What is the pact of Omar?

@Lagoshia, why do you lie like this? I thought you said in another thread that Jehovah and Allah are the same entity. If so why can I not build a Church in Saudi Arabia? There is a mosque in Jerusalem! For the sake of argument, where are synagogues in Saudi Arabia?

This Allah does not like those who call him Yahweh or Jehovah. In Tennessee,where there are only a hundred Muslim families, the mosque being built is way above the needs of the people there. Who is funding the building of the mosque?

Why is Islam bent on world domination? I thought we worshipped the same God...

Lagosshia, you know this had to come

Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Explain this.....

Ayomivic, this has been asked numerous times and a vague explanation is always given..

So Lagosshia tbaba1234 and tintingz,

If Allah and Jehovah are the same, are we saying that Allah is the God of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob and Mohammed and myself?

@Fresky and Truthislight. I have not had time to read all your posts. Once I have the time I will come back to you. Do not think for once i accept your explanations or somersaultings.