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Who is going to suffer for this now?

Since we expecting either a Messiah or a Prophet or a Messiah and a Prophet, his followers believed He was the Messiah and the "Prophet". He certainly referred to Himself as a prophet as well in the book of Luke 13 starting from verse 33

31 At that very hour some Pharisees came and said to him, “Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you.” 32 And he said to them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. 33 Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 35 Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

As well as this

53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his hometown he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, “Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household.” 58 And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.

The people said it

10 And when he entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred up, saying, “Who is this?” 11 And the crowds said, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee.”

Even his followers believe he was Messiah and the "Prophet" from Acts 3:23-26

22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’ 24 And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days. 25 You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.’ 26 God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

Mintayo, Emusan,

I understand your position. This has been thrashed on this board severally. From the questions asked, the people knew about Elijah (as a prophet, they were expecting the Messiah as well as the "Prophet")

We can begin to analyse from the prophecy in Deut 18 like you pointed out.

This convicts their prophet in many ways, but I list 3 here

1. He is not from among their brethren (they like to argue that since they are descendants of Ishmael, they are cousins so cousins can mean brethren). If so why was no arab or Ishmaelite a priest even in the house of God. Remember when they came out Egypt, the bible says they had a mixed multitudes with them
2. He didn't hear from God directly (God never spoke to him). An angel revealed things to him, he certainly did not know God face to face.
3. God did mighty works through His "prophets". Signs and wonders followed them except one. Even the disciples of the Messiah and the "Prophet" performed signs and wonders.

Both of these prophets knew when their end had come and had no doubts what their destinies were after their end. The same cannot be said of the prophet who did not know what their God will do with time.

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The car in front is a Siena....Oh Sorry a Toyota!

Is this an excerpt from a speech or did you read his book "The Blood of Lambs". If not you need to read the book, i recommend it 100%. An eye opener! Thank God for his life and his ministry and i'm sure through him many have come to Christ.

I wait for those that will say he was never a real muslim or he's only doing it for money or its all lies. Its been said before

@Tintingz, the passage you quoted said

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

So equally I put to you that "many who say to him Lord, Lord on that day shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven (those who do the will of the Father)

Matthew 18:10-14 for context.

10 “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. 11 For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.

12 “What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? 13 And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

Matthew 12:46-50 for context

46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”

48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

And lastly John 6:35-40 again for context

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Can you see that? The will of the Father is that we look to the Son and be saved by Him. The Son is the only source of salvation. Allow the Son to save you can be one of the who does the will of the Father and can say tothe Son on the last day Lord, Lord..

I was scratching my head when I saw BMW 7 Series. Glad to know I stopped scratching shortly afterwards.....Relief.

Tbaba, you would love it to be a hoax but overwhelming evidence against your wishes for it to be a hoax. If the Tunisian minister can bring it up and discuss it in parliament and arabic media are picking up on it...then it must be true.

This is not good....You cannot wish this one away

RoyPCain,

Sadly you cannot use that particular chapter and verse to get the dog off the scent. When was the Surah revealed? It was a Meccan surah so yes it will be "peaceful". Fa fa foul. Try another tactic.

The verses I quoted are the Medinan verses. Surah 98:6 and from Surah 9. It's common knowledge that the Suah 9 abrogates the earlier peaceful verses.

You might be able to convince some people with your answer, not me.

I think Jarmooh has told us exactly what it is. He said a good muslim is he (I will put she as well) who fears Allah most and follow the doctrines of Islam regardless of race.

The doctrines of Islam are derived from the Koran and the Hadiths. True or false?

The Al-shabab and the likes of Al-Qaeda and Boko-Haram are simply being good muslims.

We often hear that we should not judge Islam by the actions of muslims in other words, we should judge Islam by what the Koran and the Hadiths teach.

The hadiths and the Koran teach the Non-Muslims are the worst of peoples and the muslims are the best of peoples. That non-muslims must be invited to embrace Islam (Christianity also preaches that) and if non-muslims do not embrace Islam, they should be fought, killed or made to pay the jizya with willing submission.

Please if any of this is wrong, I will like a scholar amongst yourselves to refute it.

Alexis, i know already a lot of what you post but goodness me, i wish i could be this coherent and consistent. God bless you...Thankfully the truth will always stand.

@Provfesor....The mark of the beast is not technology...Please study Rev 13 which you referred to carefully and ask God to give you understanding of what you study.

15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[f] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

There are 3 things here, the mark, the name of the beast and the number of his name. Tie this to Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[a] thousand years.

I ask you, what about the grandpa in the deep recess of Africa or Asia or South America who will never come in to contact with technology, that means they will not be affected by the technology used to monitor the world. Not sure if you were aware of the rumour going about around march 2013 that the US is deploying a chip as part of Obamacare and all that crap. Even then on this board, some who were more intune refuted (and I was one of them). You need to go and do more research and praying that God should give you understanding.

@Alexis, I actually have the book by Raymond Ibrahim on my kindle (though I have not read it yet - but soon) and i'm a frequent visitor to his website so i know a subset of what is in the book. I'm sure by the time i finish it this thread will be long gone.

The prayer is that with this thread, those who are on the fence will see and will be convicted in their spirit and inner mind to begin to serve the true and the living God.

So the church is the St George's Church in Sohag. Excellent. The question is when did this happen? Is it before of after the black Al Qaeda flag was hoisted on top of it? Can anybody answer the question?

(AINA) -- Since ex-president Morsy's ouster on July 3, attacks on Egyptian Christians by members of the Muslim Brotherhood have taken place in most governorates across Egypt. These attacks have escalated since security forces ended the pro-Morsy protests in central Cairo on August 14th. During their 6-weeks of protests, Muslim Brotherhood leaders explicitly threatened to harm the Copts should they be forced to end their protests, which they vowed to prolong until Morsy is restored to power.


"Over the past weeks we have witnessed an increasing trend of anti-Christian rhetoric calling for 'the attack upon and eradication of Christians and churches' in Egypt," said Coptic Bishop Anba in the United Kingdom. "The result of such incitement, at least in part, has been the unprecedented attack on fifty two churches and numerous Christian homes and businesses across eight governorates in Egypt, within the space of twenty four hours."

Yesterday Dr. Naguib Gabriel, President of Egyptian Union of Human Rights Organization, said "82 churches, many of which were from the 5th century, were attacked by pro-Morsy supporters in just two days."

Coptic Pope Tawadros II issued a statement yesterday expressing his views on the violence which engulfed Egypt, accusing the Muslim Brotherhood of fomenting sectarian clashes.


The Pope said the Church is on "the side of Egyptian law, the armed forces and all the Egyptian civil institutions when it comes to confronting violent armed organizations and terrorizing forces, either within the country or from abroad." The Pope pointed out that one should look beyond the squares where the Muslim Brotherhood have been holding their protests, in order to gain a general overview of what has been happening for weeks in Egypt. "The attacks on government buildings and peaceful churches terrorize everyone, whether they be Copts or Muslims. These actions go against any religion, any moral code and any sense of humanity."

The Coptic Church also criticized the way in which the crisis is reported outside of Egypt. It expressly speaks of "false broadcast by Western media," and urges for an "objective" revision to be made of the descriptions given to the actions of those "blood-thirsty radical organizations." The Coptic Orthodox Church says that "instead of legitimizing them with global support and political coverage while they are trying to wreak havoc and destruction upon our beloved land, report all events truthfully and accurately."

Pope Tawadros reaffirmed his support for "national unity" and rejected any form of "international interference in our internal affairs."

The Pope is at the top of the Islamists' assassination list.

The views of the Coptic church are also held by Copts in general, who are angry with the US and EU powers, "who almost daily issue statements threatening to take further actions against our interim government and army, portraying the Muslim Brotherhood as victims while not even mentioning the destruction of over 80 churches, as well monasteries, orphanages, businesses and Coptic schools by the Muslim Brotherhood," says Coptic activist Wagih Yacoub who believes that this western attitude emboldens them to carry out further violence. "To add insult to injury the Muslim Brotherhood this week hoisted the black Al-Qaida flag on top of St. George's church in Sohag. Three churches were turned into mosques in Minya and Friday prayers were held inside them."

By Mary Abdelmassih
http://aina.org/news/20130818125428.htm

Pride is a really dangerous thing....

Compared to this.

Detectives in London arrested the banned Islamic extremist who embarrassed the Government when he was allowed to enter the country unchallenged.
Scotland Yard officers and Border Agency officials acting under the direct orders of Home Secretary Theresa May seized Raed Salah late last night after he returned to the capital from making a speech in Birmingham.

Today the cleric, who walked through immigration controls at Heathrow on Saturday days after being excluded from the UK, was being questioned at a police station.

It is understood Mr Salah's lawyers were exploring legal avenues to fight the travel ban sanctioned by Mrs May after he was accused of "virulent anti-Semitism".

Despite his official exclusion, the preacher was allowed in and gave two speeches to British Muslims - including one on the Arab Spring at Conway Hall in Holborn.

In another embarrassing blunder, the Standard has learned that police looking for Mr Salah at the event on Monday night failed to arrest him despite the cleric giving a speech from the platform.

Mrs May is angry with UK Border Agency staff as they failed to serve Mr Salah with exclusion papers before he left for Britain.

Guards are also supposed to check all passengers against security watchlists but they failed to spot him or turn him away. Boris Johnson today criticised the UK Border Agency and told the Standard it was "extraordinary" that Mr Salah had been allowed into the country.

The radical cleric came to Britain to give a speech on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict at the invitation of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, a group of Left-wing Labour MPs and union leaders including Jeremy Corbyn, John Austin and Bob Crow.

Mr Corbyn told the Standard: "I can't see how the police missed him at Conway Hall, he was speaking from the platform. It all sounds rather Inspector Clouseau."

The MP for Islington North also rejected criticism of his decision to invite Mr Salah to Britain, adding: "He is recognised as an important figure in Israel and if there is to be any kind of peace process he will have to be part of the dialogue.

"We checked him out and he denied completely that he was an anti-Semite so we thought it was appropriate to bring him over."

In 2008 Mr Salah was charged with incitement to violence and racism by a Jerusalem court over a speech in which he invoked what is known as the "blood libel" - a notorious anti-Semitic slur.

He was said to have accused Jewish people of using children's blood to bake bread. Afterwards, the 1,000-strong crowd rioted. Mr Salah was released from prison in 2005 after serving two years for raising millions for Palestinian terror group Hamas.

In a statement today, Ms May said: "We do not normally comment on individual cases but in this case I think it is important to do so.

"I can confirm he was excluded and that he managed to enter the UK. He has now been detained and the UK Border Agency is now making arrangements to remove him. A full investigation is taking place into how he was able to enter."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/yard-seizes-banned-islamic-preacher-6416580.html

The president supported the bill to outlaw the practice but the parliament rejected saying it runs counter to "Islamic Ideology".

Hmmm, looks like the Afghan lawmakers know more about their ideology more than some of our brothers on this board.

I don't normally comment on posts like this but I would exercise caution. I was pretty wild in my early years and I cannot begin to list out the things I did with a friend of mine to a girl sitting opposite us in nursery. It was very sordid (for use of a better word) and even at home playing doctors and nurses with sisters and we were not exposed to the filth we have today. Thank God, I turned out alright and God is using me in His work.

I would watch the boy for now instead of disgracefully chastising him. Way to early for that, (and you risk damaging him) Just make he is not exposed to anything that would corrupt his mind and raise him in a solid fear of the Lord.

This is what the tafsir of Ibn Kathir says on Surah 3:28

Ibn Kathir on 3:28—Allah said next, (unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.''

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Those EDL guys clearly haven't read this

Madam Osisi, double gbosa for this post. Until i saw your reply, i was going to reply him to post the verse in context. There are some like you who know whats up and speak out.

babyosisi: I hate it when you folks misquote your own Koran to deceive onlookers
Before throwing out a challenge,why don't you start from a place of sincerity by quoting a verse that exists
The above distortion and the verse about no compulsoon in religion are perhaps the most quoted verses by Muslim apologists in America,sadly the listeners are too lazy to go check it out for themselves in it's entirety.
That verse above does not exist in any Koran rather it is a distorted paraphrase meant for deception such that the president of the USA has used it to support the notion that Islam is harmless by saying that Islam teaches Muslims that whoever kills a soul it is as if he has killed a whole mankind.
Let me help us here.


Here is that full text in the Koran

We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity.
Qur'an 5:32

As you can see above,Allah was not addressing Muslims here
He was addressing the children of Israel i.e. the Jews
You folks should concentrate more on the next verse after that where he addressed Muslims expressly,which is where killers like adebolajo get their use from
Here it is

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Qur'an 5:33-34

Thank you
I hope the readers are being educated
And for any Muslims shocked about this truth,Jesus is the way the truth and the life and his arms are open wide

You still have not answered his questions Lanrexlan

Double Post.

Funny how these guys never feel the need to provoke sensibilities from the "other side". Whichever way you feel about this (3 groups, those who are offended but know that God is not mocked, those who feel there's nothing wrong a mere coincidence, and those who encourage this).

Lastly I dont see protests from other side for blasphemy after all there is supposed to be equal love extended to Jesus Christ and there is supposed to be no distinction between the prophets. Hmmmm.......The silence is deafening.

Disarming the gullible.....

Pride is a really bad thing.....Sad

Of course he can't explain it....

@Striktlymi, do not come and skew things here. The issue I have with dgitrader is that if he wants to post verses he should at least quote the verses correctly and not what someone posted on their facebook page. Google is your friend, you can read the verses yourself.

What you are trying to do here is deception. You for one are a polytheist, because why, you associate partners with Allah, you say Allah has a son, you say Jesus son of mary was crucified on the cross when Allah said it was not so. The context is there in verse 29-30. So, if Boko Haram comes and fights to kill are you going to repent and establish prayer? If they do not kill you, will you be willing to be subdued and pay the Jizya? Please answer the question honestly!

Sadly you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

dgitrader at least represent the verses properly if youre going post something like this. You have no basis for posting if you cannot get your facts right. Search my posts and you'll see i'm not muslim.

One book is false, the question is are we honest with ourselves and humble enough to raise our hands up and admit, which of the books is false. Pride destroys. Eternity is too much of a price to pay for pride.

What is the point of my post?

If the prophet said it and he did not instruct his followers to do anything (there is nothing in the statement that instructs them to do anything), how pray tell is this supposed to happen for 2 deens not to coexist in the Arabian Peninsula?

You need to ask yourself the questions, did the grand mufti make the statement or not? Is the grand mufti a respected islamic scholar/an authority on Islam or not? Will there be people who stand by the words of the grand mufti or not.

If your answers to these questions are yes, yes and yes then you begin to see why some people are concerned he made such a statement. You don't have to agree with what he says but there are people who agree with him. He's the Grand Mufti!

The people who have killed in recent days in Egypt, ask yourself the question again, were the muslims who attacked the coptic church shouting Allahu Akbar specifically instructed to kill those people? I guess your answer to this question will be no, (Idon't know myself) but people have lost their lives regardless. Again, I say CNN and BBC will never carry such stories.

This is not new by the way. This comment was made in March 2012. Tons of sources for this same news on the web. Just because its culled from prophecynewswatch and not CNN or BBC doesn't mean its anti-muslim. The CNN or BBC will never carry such stories by the way but thats a different discussion entirely. Besides he is only following what the prophet said and i quote

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ismail ibn Abi Hakim that he heard Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz say, "One of the last things that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said was, 'May Allah fight the jews and the christians. They took the graves of their Prophets as places of prostration . Two deens shall not co-exist in the land of the Arabs.' " - Malik's Muwatta, Book 45, Number 45.5.17

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula."
Malik said that Ibn Shihab said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab searched for information about that until he was absolutely convinced that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had said, 'Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula,' and he therefore expelled the jews from Khaybar." - Malik's Muwatta, Book 45, Number 45.5.18