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PAGAN 9JA:
civilised chrisitanity.

Exactly!
Under the guise of "CIVILIZING" the savage and "SAVE" to the heathen, did these horrible things. The same excuse was used in Africa to enslave and exterminate millions.
Also in America did with the Indians ,
These images also hurts , It hurts the irony that with these methods is intended to "civilize" the supposedly wild ,
One who worships a god that does not need favors this demon ,
The paradox is that those who try to justify that kind of thing they accuse others of being demonic, to be condemned to hell, to worship false gods and to be uncivilized ,
Ahhhh , Western and Christian culture ,

Mudley313:
sharrap there. if you don't know anything just ask instead of spewing rubbish due to you guys usual hatred for others with differing beliefs from yours, even those of your own religion. na wah o

protestant didn't act in self-defense; they acted for the same reason the catholics and islamic terrorist act; that the others are heretics (in the case of jihadist, infidels)

calvin broke up with the catholic church, moved to switzerland and started mass persecution of catholics. or was martin luthers hatred for the jews self defense too? the anglican church of england persecuted everyone not anglican, from catholics to puritans to scots to irish. the pilgrims who ran to start america, ran to avoid persecution from the english PROTESTANT church. the despicable acts of slavery was carried out enmasse by these same oh so holy protestants of yours

stop supporting/defending atrocious acts and their perpetrators, whether catholic, protestant or muslim. the christian religion has caused more deaths historically than all the other religions combined. deal with it

Indeed.
There is something worse than what we saw, is that in the XXI century there are still people who want to justify or minimize this kind of thing ,
I repeat: Who are the uncivilized?

red jasper:
Grace you are full of shyt!

Dear friend:
Understand that Grace is learning to use your new computer is fun , and send these messages.
In addition, Pastor of Grace has been offered a penny for every advertising message.
Soon we will be invited to visit the church and pay tithes ,
Greetings dear friend!

PAGAN 9JA:
so are the Japanese, Chinese and Indians uncivilised barbarians (the very same Japanese who have revolutionalised world technology)


YOU ARE A FOOL AND YOU NEED TO BE NAILED TO A PLANK OF WOOD JUST LIKE YOUR WHITE MASTER.


https://www.sacredsites.com/asia/japan/images/shinto-priests-500.jpg

Hello dear friend ,
I think he already has the worst punishment: his own ignorance and irrational blind fanaticism.

Martian:
You hypocrites are so blinded and rendered ignorant by your delusional belief in jewish/Greek mythology that you can't see the similarities between native African superstition and the imported one you hold dear.

Your village priests used to kill twins,well, I'm sure you've heard of the Salem witch trials. Wasn't it in Nigeria than some "enlightened and civilized" Christians were abusing and killing children because of "witchcraft"?
When one of the simle bastards you people look up to slaps innocent girls because of "witchcraft",is he influenced by "civilized" christianity or "barbaric" native African beliefs?

Ignorant nuts thinking they have a moral high ground. Your likes disgust me.
You have no room to talk about anybody's ignorance when your religion is the biggest culprit. Talking snakes, flat earth, sun standing still and my personal favorite, the tower of freaking babel.

There are still more
Holy Inquisition and its torture , blessing of gunpowder and cannons in the wars, crusades , Well, let's be brief ,
The biblical God ordering wipe out entire villages in your name, murdering men, women and children ,
Did we forget that the same God as an offering to be asked to kill the best lamb and its blood was sprinkled on the paredess the temple?
What is being judged here?
Sometimes there is haste to criticize and judge others, and very slowly to look inside the home.
Best regards

Judek2:
So,we worship the "Spirit" of truth, and not "spirits",which is demonic and idolatory.

goshen360:
I cannot give answer more than my understanding. My understanding is, God is a Spirit and they that worship must worship in spirit and in truth.

That's what I meant.
I do not mean to offend, but just an opinion.
I do not understand is that if someone worships a spirit, criticize those who worship spirits.
Excuse me my ignorance, but do not speak only of the holy spirit, but also worship angels, saints, the Virgin Mary , is also a legion ,
Like it or not, there are many parallels between the two , really dead spirits are worshiped.
Best regards!

Pictures and statues can be destroyed, but I think that's why gods are destroyed ,
If anyone thinks that a picture is showing desruir that god does not exist , that person is really stupid.
Catholic churches have been burned , it shows that the Catholic god does not exist or has no power? That's a silly argument.
The destruction of African images is more a demonstration of bigotry, intolerance, violence , something very ugly in who considers himself religious and obedient to a God, whatever.
When I read some Bible passages that are cited here, and traditions are judged, I wonder why not quote the passages in which the biblical God commanded to attack a village and kill absolutely everyone, men, women and children , when you order a man kill his brother , and so many other things ,
There are biblical readings are very selective, however, when you judge others out of context is done with the utmost rigor ,
With a little more respect and tolerance I think everything would work better ,
At least in my opinion.
A respectful greeting to all.

numo86:
@goshen@joagbaje@akinnux,
Can we say God is a ghost by ur reasonings?
, if by what y'all imply, ghost & spirit mean 1 & d same thing can we say God is a ghost?
Yes or No

Very good question.
Some say that those who worship spirits are part of a spiritualist or animist religion and claim that those who worship spirits go to hell because they are devil worshipers , Mhhhhhh
This really confuses me a little ,

Excellent exposure dear friend Horus
It's good to be aware ,
If Europeans looted America and Africa stealing the gold, oil, enslaving and killing, whether through military domination imposed their cultural and religious domination (as who does not accept the European god is the devil) are not surprising these things , . Yes, obviously cause us great pain. THE contempt for human life, culture and ideas , what can be expected of those who act like this?
Pentecostals (with minimal exceptions that prove the rule) put their economic interest to their own beliefs, even to his own god. Impose a payment of tithing under the threat of going to hell , A tithe is not biblical (see Malaquías 3:10 and following) on which lie to benefit economically, their fanaticism and immorality is known around the world.
Wonder? no , What we feel is very sad, for what they do and their immorality.
Thank you dear friend!

crossman9:
these are idols CHRIST is ALIVE  and not an idol that is why its better

That's the argument with which Europeans dominated, plundered, enslaved and raped. It's old, is not it? "Ours is the only truth; civilize these ignorant, blood and fire" , All in the name of Christ the King ,
Fanaticism does not respect the word culture, and when listening wields his gun ,
Fanaticism is blind, never accept that others have the right to think differently , just your thought is valid, but to enforce it have to disqualify, kill, steal ,
Everyone is free to have their faith, or not having ,
I personally do not go with fanatical beliefs ,
But as I said at first: everyone is free to choose AND RESPONSIBLE OF YOUR CHOICE.
Take consciousness.
My greatest respect for all!

numo86:
in the 1st century churches or congregations were already established and all of them were under d supervision of the apostles & older men who gave instructions on how this christianity as called should be practiced, from d definition of religion which is
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I understand that you say that in the first century Christian churches already?
What was the "Christian" then? Because there were many different groups calling themselves "Christians" who fought against each other , which of them was actually the representative of Christ?
I honestly doubt the existence of a Christian church in the first century
Jesus sent his disciples just to tour cities and gain followers, something completely opposite to create a church. The Bible speaks of the various stories of the disciples visiting cities and taking their word.
He reiterated that he lifted the ban on Christian cults was Constantino hundreds of years later. Romans also expropriated for public buildings it could be done definitrivamente Catholic worship. Born and the first churches. That is history.
Well, it's just a point of view, absolutely nothing personal.
I express my sincere respect.

Joagbaje:
John 10:10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

John 1:4
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1 John 5:11-12
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

I do not relate your comments to the subject being treated.
I present documents of the Catholic Church.
You write passages from the Bible out of context.
This analysis is difficult.
Anyway it was a pleasure to exchange views with you.

bermuda1:
My question is, if Christ died for us all, why did it take almost 1900 (one thousand nine hundred years) for Blacks in Africa to hear the “good news”. Why did his salvation forsake black Africans for so long?

Why did the Jews, Arabs, Palestines, Romans and anglo-saxons have the privilege of eternal salvation before the people of black Africa?

My respects dear friend.
Jews, Arabs, Palestinians, etc, say that.
I share your question, it seems that Africans were not in the calculation of that god until 1900 ,
But do not forget that it was not long before that, that certain churches claiming that blacks and the Indians had no soul , and in the name of God that they could enslave or torture, and kill a slave was not punished any ,
Fortunately that changed , either because that God changed his mind, or because their followers learned to interpret it correctly ,
Fortunately there are things changing for the better ,

It's true what you say.
But if we understand that Jesus never intended to create a new religion, but changes in Judaism, nor founded the Catholic Church, the term "Christianity" should be used to order that persecuted Jesus, and not for what most three centuries later it was decided at the Council of Nicea.
It is not my intention to enter into philosophical discussions, much less attacking anyone's beliefs. I try to expose historical arguments that we provide to all elements.

red jasper:
It is very painful. The european and arab slave voyages did an enormous scale of damage to Africa.

Most scholars estimate the number of slaves who survived the middle passage between 1441 to 1888 to be in the range of 15-17 million and the number of slave deaths related to the middle passage to be between 50-100 million. However both being estimates the numbers could very well be more. It's very painful and frustrating, going back and researching the revolts across the atlantic always gets my mood back on the up and up. What happened on the Marlborough ship in 1752 of William Lougher just tickels me to death!

Dear friend:
The figures indicate that you are real, and express the magnitude of that terrible genocide. I insist that considering the population of Africa in this period was the biggest genocide in history.
Deserves a chapter of the form of extermination , We're not talking about a war, but helpless people chained in the hold of a slave ship , For the value of these lives was less than that of an animal.
Entire villages were razed disappearing culture, traditions and beliefs.
I pay tribute here to the suffering from those who were victims of these murderers, as well as those who survived, and across the Atlantic, despite the chains, managed to keep alive their traditions, which still continues today
Please accept my warm greetings!

FXKing2012:
I understand but the Bible clearly states that anyone who is not with Christ is an antichrist, so it' from that perspective that I'm looking at it. Ok, look at someone like @diluminati who used to be a Christian but converted to atheism becos she was reading posts on Nairaland. Such is really painful and disappointing.

Estimate
That may be disappointing to you, but everyone is entitled to choose their path in life and nobody has the right to judge (it also says the truth Bibia? Or perhaps reading is selective?). I repeat that divide between "bad" and "good" is a simplistic solution, insist that disqualify the neighbor is no way to argue, though he says the Bible, Coran or whatever.
The offense is not defense.
I concluded in orig.
My respects.

bermuda1:
Christ was a Jew as in follower of Judaism

Exactly.
Jesus never proclaimed founder of a new creed.
Centuries after the death of Jesus, and to the internal struggles of his followers, was the Emperor Constantino, who was only in the year 313, to mitigate these divisions attempted to unify the cult giving freedom to it. In 325, and also at the request of Constantino, is made the Council of Nicea, which involved only 300 bishops and decide among other things that Jesus was the son of God. Obviously that aera not accepted before, it was concluded that neither Jesus founded the Catholic Church, much less Christianity. As understood, that occurred several centuries after his death, since was never Jesus' intention.
I hope nobody is offended.
Warm regards to all

FXKing2012:
I wonder why all the anti-church and anti-Christian posts keep making front page. Nairaland has turned into itself into an avenue to attack Christian leaders and churches, and the administrators of Nairaland have turned themselves into anti-Christs by supporting this devilish act.

Dear friend.
In my opinion the best way to show that our faith is correct, is to expose our ideas. I do not think that because there are different thoughts to yours has the right to disqualify you from other people, that does not speak well of you or your creed.
It does not seem right, because someone thinks differently than you would call "antichrist."
Everyone (including you) are entitled to their own faith, or not having it.
When someone believes the absolute master of the truth, and think everything is black or white, good or bad, and that those who think differently are demons, or simply bad antichrist is coming into a fanaticism that is not healthy. Fanaticism does not win converts, but generates rejection. Be kind, express your ideas with respect for others, not disqualified, and you will see that this rejection he feels disappears.
You say your "mission" is to capture sheep , but the sheep (which term to refer to others ugly!) Do not come close to the fans. We choose a very bad way.
Please accept my compliments.

Dear Friends,
I am a foreigner, unaware of the subject, 'so I can not comment.
But even a minor issue, I remember in the last football World Cup in Ghana, Africa as a whole supported this selection. The world felt the elimination of Ghana as painful for all Africans. That's not common , In South America there is a great rivalry, and on the contrary, it is very normal for a Uruguayan prefer the triumph of Nigeria to Argentina, or any other that faces Brazil. A Brazilian always want to be defeated Argentina and vice versa. The rivalry is expressed in all areas.

So I find it amazing the comment.
Regards to all my dear friends

God2man:
I believe, if everyman will think of death, everyday, the world will be a better place, this is because, if you want to steal, you think of death, you will not steal, if you want to fornicate,you think of death, you will not do it. The world will be a better place, if we are always thinking of death.

Your opinion is very respectable.
There are also people who do not steal, do not harm to others and are honest because they feel, as a matter of ethics, not fearing death, nor to a trial ,
And I think that view is also very respectable.
My respects.

Very respectfully,
It does not seem to associate the culture of corruption is a good starting point.
I think they have very simplistic example, a topic which is actually very complex. I think in all walks of life are the people who fail. I do not think fair to judge tradition so some might have done wrong ,
In all spheres of life there are no honest people honest, ethical and corrupt, and that has nothing to do with tradition or religion you profess.
Certainly we know that in all America have spread African religious cults, and with them (because it is inseparable) is also a philosophy of life.
These traditions have been kept alive by the slaves, and transmitted from generation to generation orally. in the most deplorable conditions, with their language, their customs, their religion, and even his name forbidden ,
I doubt very much that something like this go away.
But this is just my very humble opinion.
I hope I have offended anyone.
My sincere regards to all!

amor4ce:
The Yoruba-speaking people of Cuba who are called Lucumi just might be the descendants of their fellow Yoruba speakers in Delta state of Nigeria who call themselves and their Yoruba dialect Ulukwumi. Note that some Igbo people on this forum have been trying to claim the Ulukwumi as Igbo.

It is very concerning their intervention , An excellent contributions.
Thank you!

High_Chief:
^^^Si hablo espanol, tu? Es usted un hombre o una mujer?

Dear friend High_Chief.
That pleasant joy to find someone who speaks Spanish in the forum!
I am male. Research in African traditions. I live in Montevideo, Uruguay, South America, and indeed, I speak Spanish (you may have noticed I write very bad English).
Would be interested in maintaining the link with you if he sees fit.
For my part, you tell me for what it deems necessary.
A respectful greeting for you!

High_Chief:
^^^Si hablo espanol, tu? Es usted un hombre o una mujer?

Soy hombre. Vivo en Montevideo, Uruguay, Sudamérica, y por supuesto hablo español.
Es una gran alegría conocer en este foro alguien que hable español!
Me gustaría mantener el vínculo, pues soy un investigador de las tradiciones africanas.
Quedo a sus órdenes para lo que estime necesario; cuente usted conmigo!
Un afectuoso saludo de su amigo uruguayo.

igbolagosa:
look how far away nigeria/ igboland is from the americas. most of slaves coming from nigeria must have died before dey get to caribbean. it is centre of africa, i doubt dey can walk all that way to slaveships and then take boat from nigeria to caribbean

Dear friend:
The fate of the slaves was not only the Caribbean but also Salvador de Bahia (Brazil) and the ports of Buenos Aires (Argentina) and Montevideo (Uruguay) from where they were distributed to the rest of South America.
It would be a mistake to think that slavery of Africans was the greatest genocide in human history. Precisely, historians agree that the greatest number of deaths of Africans was not in the period of slavery, but in the shipment.
In the land transfer and the first deaths occurred, in the holds of ships rampant disease and were full of people in the worst conditions of health and food. Historians agree that the vast majority died either on the voyage and were thrown into the sea, or upon arrival, their health conditions were so bad they were abandoned on the beach, without even being buried.
It is outrageous the little diffusion had these savage acts, the historical silence of these massacres ,
One issue really painful , My respectful greeting

amor4ce:
The Yoruba-speaking people of Cuba who are called Lucumi just might be the descendants of their fellow Yoruba speakers in Delta state of Nigeria who call themselves and their Yoruba dialect Ulukwumi. Note that some Igbo people on this forum have been trying to claim the Ulukwumi as Igbo.

Dear friend amor4ce.
His presentation was very valuable, and very grounded.
Completely dispelled my doubts.
Thank you very much!

High_Chief:
^^^Si hablo espanol, tu? Es usted un hombre o una mujer?

Estimado amigo High_Chief
Que gran alegría encontrar alguien que hable español en este hermoso foro!
Soy hombre, vivo en Montevideo, Uruguay, Sudamérica, y por supuesto, hablo español.
Usted habrá observado que mi inglés es muy malo, pues uso traductor.

Espero mantener el contacto, y me pongo a su disposición para lo que estime necesario.
Cuente usted conmigo estimado amigo!

For reasons unknown to me banned from the forum.
In my speeches I've always tried to provide clarity in my humble knowledg, always uin framework of absolute respect. I do not really understand, because is not answered. Please Mr. Moderator some explanation.

amor4ce:
The Yoruba-speaking people of Cuba who are called Lucumi just might be the descendants of their fellow Yoruba speakers in Delta state of Nigeria who call themselves and their Yoruba dialect Ulukwumi. Note that some Igbo people on this forum have been trying to claim the Ulukwumi as Igbo.

Excelente explicación estimado amigo. Esto arroja luz sobre algo que realmente es muy interesante.
Muchas gracias!

High_Chief:
^^^Si hablo espanol, tu? Es usted un hombre o una mujer?

Que gran alegría querido amigo High_Chief!
Es una gran emoción encontrar en este foro alguien que hable español como yo. Como habrá notado mi inglés es muy malo, incluso utilizo traductor, por lo que siempre temo que alguna expresión mia sea mal inerpretada,
Soy hombre; investigador de la cultura africana en general y yorubá en particular.
Quedo a sus gratas órdenes, cuente usted conmigo para lo que estime conveniente, y me interesaría mucho mantener el vínculo.
Un fuerte abrazo de su amigo uruguayo.
Vivo en Montevideo Uruguay, Sudamérica.

High_Chief:
^^^Si hablo espanol, tu? Es usted un hombre o una mujer?

Que grata sorpresa querido amigo!
Por supuesto que hablo español (usted habrá notado que mis exposiciones son fruto de un pésimo inglés, resultado del uso de un traductor).
Soy hombre; uruguayo y vivo en Montevideo, Uruguay, Sudamérica.
Nunca creí hallar en este foro a alguien que hable español, es una enorme alegría!
Desde ya cuente usted con mi incondcional amistad y quedo a sus órdenes para lo que estime necesario!
Le envío un respetuoso saludo, y mi sincero deseo de mantener un contacto de intercamio de información y reciprocidad.

Booshman:
As usual Rabzy, you are phenomenal, my friend! Just out of curiosity though, how are these spirit's names pronounced?

Egbere = "egg-bay-ray"
Abiku = "ah-BEE-koo"
Ogbanje = "oh-BAN-jay" (Still haven't perfected my "gb" sound, but I think I get it.)

(Capital letters showing emphasis on syllables)

Dear friend Booshman
My respect for you.
I do not speak Yoruba, but as far as I learned, GB is pronounced KP (or cp)
Likewise, the word abikú would be a contraction of "a bi Iku" (we are born to die)
I hope that one brother can give us more understanding more light on the subject.
A fraternal greetings!

ifyalways:
Over time, I have come to believe abiku/ogbanje are merely SS kids, no?

Dear friend ifyalways
As far as I understand, I see no relationship between Abiku and egbere, nor as to origin or as to actions.
When we talk about Abiku we refer to two guilds of children (boys on one side and girls on the other). The question can be considered an issue Abiku of tradition, but also has its religious background. As far as is traditionally the burial ceremony of a Abiku was done according to certain special parameters to prevent their return.
I can not find a contact point with egbere.
But the final opinion logically have other siblings more knowledgeable on the subject.
My opinion is simply a point of view that tries to make a humble contribution.
The floor is the most understood.
A fraternal greeting to all and especially you!

Well , There have been many cases of pedophilia in the Catholic Church, recognized even by the Vatican , but I think that speaks ill of Catholicism ,
I do not believe that Jesus influenced for all those Catholic priests raped children , I think they are human issues, not divine, that can happen in any religion, right?
I do not think the offense to others is a good defense for our beliefs.
Excuse my frankness respectful.
Please accept my respectful greetings.

amor4ce:
The Edekiri languages/dialects spoken across West Africa include and in the diaspora include:

Ede Cabe
Ede Ica
Ede Idaca
Ede Ije
Ede Nago
Ede Nago Kura
Ede Nago Manigiri-Kambole
Ife
Isekiri
Lucumi
Mokole
Ulukwumi
Yoruba

Perhaps the Lucumi speakers in Cuba are descended from Ulukwumi in Delta state.

http://www2.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=edekiri

Dear friend amor4ce
Reading his interesting presentation, I noticed that you separate the Yoruba language of the "Lucumi" languaje. The term "Lucumi" is widely used on the island of Cuba to refer to both the Yoruba language as them. In my work as a researcher, some documents refer to the term "Lucumi" became so used to calling the Yoruba, under which they (the Yoruba) very often used the phrase "Lukumí" that mean something in Yoruba as "my friend".
I clarify that I have no firm basis of Yoruba language and that this comment does not question his claim, but on the contrary, I consider extremely valuable, and that calls into question a misconception.
Promptly let her interesting presentation, I think fair to infer that the word "Lucumi" that are called the Yoruba in Cuba, as well as their worship, rooted in a language (no doubt spoken by them), not in this story that is so strange ,
Thank you very much for your valuable input!

High_Chief:
Tunde, nice contribution

Dear friend High_Chief.
You say you are "en casa" ,
Are you Spanish speaking?
It would be a joy for me to find here someone who also speaks Spanish ,
My respect and thanks for your kindness.

Warm regards to all members!

emöfine:
Hmm it does make one wonder what their purpose was for re-writing history and of course wonder what else they could be possibly hiding.
The consequences of such action is grave as zolzlolz has highlighted but a few.

By stripping one of their history is to poison one's self worth. If one doesn't know where they come from how will they know where they're going? Who will they draw inspiration from and if it happens to be from those who made their history redundant are they not thus being misled?

It's also quite sad how some regard their own history. When I used to marvel at the great works of Benin/Ile Ife etc some Nigerians labelled such masterpieces as "Witchcraft".

I totally agree with you dear friend.
History has shown the Europeans committed and hardworking to distort African history forever.
Early studies of the English religious on African traditions are full of errors, trying to explain to its own settings to a completely different culture. Indeed, they did not understand what was witchcraft or something of the devil or Satan ,  when neither Satan or the devil exist in the cultures of Africa ,
Also, witchcraft has its origins in Europe, not Africa!
They have done with the Indians in America, with Africans in Africa ,  everything that is not part of their culture must be destroyed or changed ,  lamentable intolerance, costing, costs and cost many lives.
Someone said that "ideas do not kill" ,  traditions and culture either!
I do not think there are better or worse cultures, but different cultures ,
I am gratified to read shows like yours.

PAGAN 9JA:
first step is a process called decolonisation, like what is happening in Bolivia, SOuth America, were Quechua and Aymara Tribes are returning to traditional religion. A change in mentality first, will only drive a change in other issues.

heres the link of one of my previous threads where i explained this:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=716413.0;viewResults

Exactly!
The European approach seeks to make us ashamed of who we are. It's another kind of domination, but so is.
It is outrageous that those who live in fear of the devil, alleged witches have been burned, tortured, those who thought differently from them, claiming that Indians and blacks had no souls, whoever they want to dictate moral and cultural norms of others, and ridicule what their lack of information and culture does not allow them to understand.

The word is "consciousness."

A friendly greeting for everyone!

rabzy:
An Abiku is said to be a spirit child, sent by his other spirit play mates to be born into a family and terrorize them. The Abiku spirit world is said to be populated by children playing all day long and engaged in all sorts of merry-making. They often choose a rich family and the child would repeatedly be falling sick causing his parents to squander their wealth seeking for a cure.
Eventually at a previously agreed date -especially on a joyful occasion like a festival or marriage- the child would fall sick and die, and then the child would be re-born again and again to the same family until they are totally exhausted emotionally and financially.

Medicine men were totally at a loss to know how to handle a sick Abiku child. All their best efforts hardly work. Abiku so oloogun de ke: The Abiku has turned the medicine man to a quack/fake.

Sometimes when a mother repeatedly gives birth to an abiku, the child is branded at death so that he can be recognizable when he comes back again, and is said that the child are often reborn with the brands. They are often spoilt by their parents in a bid to persuade them to stay. The belief of Abiku was so prevalent that people still bear Abiku names till date.
Names like Durojaiye - Stay and enjoy life, Banjoko - Stay with me, Malomo- Don't go again, Durosinmi - Stay and rest.

The Ogbanje is practically the same phenomenon as 'Abiku' but this is the eastern name and they are often very beautiful girls. My mom told us that when my kid sister was born people used to call her an Ogbanje because she was very beautiful and to worsen matters she often took ill. My mom never believed in the myth.

You can read the Poem 'Abiku' by Wole Soyinka and JP clark and the Famished Road by Ben Okri.

'I am Abiku calling for the first and repeated time', Wole Soyinka.

Excellent exposure on Abikú guilds!, Children who are born to die.
My sincere congratulations dear friend rabzy!
It is very interesting parallels between history and annotated Egbere of "Saci Pereré." The latter is part of the mythology of Brazil possibly with African roots). It tells the myth that "Saci Pereré" live hidden in forests, is mischievous, and just to avoid their antics, snuff and matches should be left to the edge of the woods to please ,
I send warm greetings to all my dear friends!

My respects to all.
I am a foreigner and do not want to participate in an internal discussion. Respect all the languages ​​of Africa, but as for South and Central America, I agree that the Yoruba is the most widespread. Of course this in no way implies value judgments.
Also in many countries Kikongo root words (if I remember correctly Angola) that have become part of everyday Spanish language.
I understand the explanation of this interest in Yoruba language originates in the rich traditions of the Yoruba left in these countries, and we must not forget that historically, the last despicable traffic of slaves brought to America were mostly made just for Yoruba , and the declared freedom for slaves in the great majority of countries quickly, the Yoruba had yet to clarify its language and traditions, so it was possible to maintain, very unlike other ethnic groups.
I hope I have offended anyone, this is not my intention, just trying to make a contribution.
Kind regards to all the brothers on the forum.