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Dear friend.
What matters is what you believe, and not as it is called.
I am not Christian nor Muslim, but if I had a Christian or a Muslim name would not change even if I dislike.
I agree with PAGAN 9JA in a tribal name should be the best solution.
You do not forget that life can always lead to change, and tomorrow you may not be satisfied with a Christian name.
In my opinion, if you change something, do it by a name that identifies your creed.
It isnt necessary.
But I would not change my name in such circumstances.
My greeting!

When this child has consciousness of how her parents used to it, and how your brain washed with religious themes, not only what their parents recriminate, but I doubt very much that a church again.

I think it's a shame that girl that lives, but I think much worse is the attitude of their parents allow it.

If she says she spoke the holy spirit , they will.
Reason to doubt his word?
I have heard pastors say that they were presented with the Holy Spirit and told them that the pastors appointed, they should open their church and collect tithes.
In which of the two cases is the holy spirit or an evil spirit?

MOI LOVINA:
That the woman choose not to give drugs to  her mother was her choice. I will pay my tithe before spending a dime of my money. Thats what my mum taught us when we were very young and also it is scriptural. we grew up anglicans mind you.

I'm not going to argue with you about whether tithing is biblical.
Surely you mean the Old Testament, not the new.

You say "That the woman choose not to give drugs to her mother Was Her choice" ,
Ahhh that's common sense , that's be clear about the moral and ethical values​​.
"WAS HER CHOICE , "
Magnificent!.
That's what I meant when I told crossman9 that the church, the values ​​are different , first pastor, then everything else, even the lives of people.
You and I are different.
Fortunately different.

My greetings

crossman9:
Ptolomeus

The drugs are medication and not recreational drugs there to keep the mother alive
She was told paying tithes was very important
So she stopped giving money to the mother
Is paying tithes more important than keeping the mother alive?

Of course not!
The reasoning of any human being with common sense would help the ailing mother instead of paying tithes to the Pastor.
But we can not ask the Pastor or the fans who think as rational and civilized.
That is the reality of the Christianity.
They do not care to pastors life of the mother, the hunger of children or separation of marriage. The only interest of which is economic.
What an irony! All in the name of Christ ,

crossman9:
It is not about a “woman” it is much bigger than this, it is about people who are being destroyed with false teaching the woman was a causality of war and misinformation she changed into a monster because of the church, she went in to the church a person that was not materialistic and did not have a worry about money, then after a time she had fiscal issues the minute she start going there because paying tithes was more important than paying for medication for the mother to keep her alive?
Because you pay to THEM FIRST before anything else what would you do please answer this truthfully


and right not I am counselling a friend whose husband goes to the church

He wants to leave his wife of 10 years because she does not agree with the church, does this sound right and this woman is committed Christian a really good woman who would never look at another man or steal or lie she is a perfect wife her only crime is speaking against the false teaching of the church?

Dear friend:
I do not understand what you think is extraordinary in that.
That is the methodology of Christianity, the church and tithing are about family, health, love, rationality, and COMMON SENSE.
If that woman was buying drugs for his mother and did not pay tithing, had been considered a traitor, an antichrist, a demon, and would tell her that her soul would burn in hell for all eternity ,
The issue is NOT that God and Christ are the most important, the most important thing is THE PASTOR.
There is nothing extraordinary in what you say.
That is the Christian reality.
There are no another reality.

Kilode?!:
Michelly, did you use a translator software to re-write my post? I'm just curious. The structure is different.

It's amazing how we can communicate even though we don't speak the same langauage. I'll be back with my thoughts later.

Exactly my friend:
Michelly and I used a translator to understand and express ourselves.
He lives in Sao Paulo, Brazil, and I in Montevideo, Uruguay, both in South America.
This effort is at least in my case, the interest in Yoruba culture and the exchange of information on Yoruba traditions in Africa and America.
This exchange often occurs, making enrich the knowledge of all.
Other times, issues are raised and unanswered, as is the case with my last statement.
But regardless, the forum is very interesting and allows us to meet people very enlightened.

The phenomenon of Christianity in America has similarities and differences with the African reality. In fact the Europeans, mostly Indians massacred and the survivors were forced to convert to Christianity. In the case of Africans were brought to America in inhumane conditions, the vast majority died on the voyage, were forced to convert to Catholicism, to adopt a name "Christian" was banned their language, their tradicines, religion, and to avoid possible rebellions, it sought to encourage tribal rivalries of the time.
Despite these conditions, the Africans brought to America managed to keep alive the flame of their traditions and religions, many of which remain to this day.
Of all the ethnic groups brought to America on condition of slavery, the Yoruba were among the last to arrive. This condition helped in the release time of their traditions were still much more present than other African groups.
I hope that the comment is helpful.
My greetings to all!

Does not seem to you that we are distorting the thread?
The Bible can say many things, many of them will have to interpret them correctly ,
But in practice:
I ask: Submit flowers, light candles and give money to the images of the churches, is or is not offering?

In my country, to do lasagna the three layers of filling.
1. Mass at the bottom
2. stuffed with minced meat (as is indicated in the above recipe)
3. Another layer of dough.
4. cover with previously boiled and seasoned vegetables (spinach or chard)
5. Another layer of dough,
6. Top with ham and mozzarella
7. another layer of dough
8. On this last layer of dough is put the tomato sauce and bechamel above.
Finally add grated cheese
and to broil in the oven!

Which foods you specifically refer?
The people differ in their tastes, that's logical, but Spanish food and / or South America is very tasty.
There are very traditional tortillas, paella (rice with seafood and meat) , Mediterranean cuisine is varied and tasty.

Please bobby1, you might be a little more clear, and explain in detail point by point?

Thank you ,

Pastor AIO:
Another related thread that I like is this one:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-135166.0.html

Dear friends,
If my bad English I may, let me know your opinion (in particular the views of Pastor AIO) about the origin or essence of Orisá.
There are references that Orisá is a direct emanation of Eledumaré, so have a divine origin, and not be a spirit.
In another order, some sources refer to Orisá as a spirit. This would be justified in cases like Sango, who would have been Alaafin of Oyo.
In your opinion, which of the two versions is correct?
Or both versions are correct depending on each case?
Thank you very much for the cooperation, dear friends!

Dear friends ,
Look on the bright side ,
When a child refuses to eat, the dolls can be effective ,
"Eat child!, Or I bring the dolls!"

Someone said that the prophecies to Nigeria in 2012 are very positive!!
Among other things, all the pastors who profit from the sacrifice of people will be imprisoned; audited accounts will be charged to the church tithes, will pay taxes ,
Perhaps someone thinks that's not much, but start somewhere ,
regards,

crossman9:
sorry i love you but i can't help speaking the truth to you i hope you read my break down of the anti christ

and the catholic church is the master anti-christ

just as it says there a many anti chris oh i mean many anti christs gone out into the world

but if not at least try please

Dear Crossman.
You do not understand that with these attitudes you lose all credibility?
I hope you can understand how a healthy mind, but their presentations look like an irrational, a fanatic , and I'm sure you're not that ,
Isn´t it?

Pastor AIO:
I have heard many interpretations of what Orisa means. A common one is Selected Head (Ori Sa). Sa a meaning to selected or set apart. To be honest it is a very common thing in yoruba to try to find the meaning of a word by breaking it up into composite words and then claiming that the word means the sentence formed. Funnily, I can't think of a word right now to us as an example.

Okay, there is Eniyan meaning human being. It is broken down into Eni ti a yan. One who has been chosen.

This method is used even for english words sometimes. Technology can be broken to te e ki ina lo ji. Because everything to do with technology involves pushing a button so that the power can wake up. England is Igi li a ndi. We are tying trees.
Germany is Ija ma ni. It's a war! hence germany's role in history. etc etc etc.

However there is another more scholarly approach to the philology of yoruba words and that involves looking at the word for similar concepts in neighbouring tribes. Often you find that the words for the same things are similar. Therefore you cannot find the true source of the word merely within the context of yoruba language.

I will give you a perfect example with the word Orisa. If you go to the Igbo people and ask them what they call diety they will say OLISA. We find a lot of words that are said to be cognate and what happens is that where in yoruba you pronounce -r- in igbo language you pronounce -l-.

http://www.ourbabynamer.com/meaning-of-Olisa.html

There will also be slightly different ways it is used within the context of the culture. For instance a yoruba will never call a child Orisa, but the Igbo can name their children Olisa.
We can find cognate terms in other cultures. The Itsekiri can God almighty Orisa. In some yoruba tribes the word is Oosa. So you see that breaking it up into Ori and then -Sa might be a mistake.

An excellent explanation estimated Pastor!
Some friends say Yoruba language is simple to learn , but it really is very complex , The contractions, different dialects make it really complicated, and the study of different subjects (traditions, culture, history etc) take an enormous complexity precisely because of this ,
As always thank you very much for the valuable assistance!
A big hug!

Pastor AIO:
How about this one from the same album.

Can you imagine any nigerian artist singing such a song today about Esu biribiri?  His music will simply not sell.  

Esu biri biri is my protector
Forward is where this vehicle is taking me
Backwards is not where this vehicle is taking me
Now I know, I know , I know
I know the world, I know.

Which brings up the question pertinent to this thread . . . Who is Esu in Yoruba belief?  Is Esu really Satan?  Or is that just some idiotic conflation of ideas from different cultures.  When contemporary yorubas conflate Esu with Satan what does that do to their understanding of religion?  Does it not make their religious practice a distorted thing?

Exactly.
Does not exist Satan in the Yoruba religion. Satan is unique to the Judeo-Christian religion, not African. The religion of Orisa has no devil, Satan or Beelzebub ,
This syncretism arises when the first English missionaries came to Africa and wanted to interpret the African religion with Christians philosophy and concepts.
Esu, for its "humanized" by certain "tools" that was assigned was associated with the devil by Catholic missionaries.
Esu is the great communicator Aiye-Orun , The intermediary between men and Orisa.
There is nothing Satan or demonic in it!
That is ignorance!
My respects dear friend Pastor!

Excellent thread!
I understand that Ori is our own "self" our being. In fact, in Orun Ori chooses the destination that we will Aiye.
As you rightly pointed out the estimated Pastor AIO, Ori is more important than Orisa ,
Ori could be considered our staff Orisa. I understand that in fact the word Orisa in a contraction of Ori-Sá (something like guardian of Orí).
Pastor: Am I correct?

Is not the Caribbean ,
But let's see some beauties Uruguayan
(Feast of "Llamadas" African tradition in Uruguay)

Very interesting post my friend!
I am a foreigner, so I apologize to all if I say anything that might offend someone. It is not my intention.
But I have always amazed how people who once were facing hard historical, and also with the complexity of the arbitrary division of many parts of Africa by Europeans, these people maintain a good relationship, and try closer links in the search for a common destiny.
I understand clearly that there are many differences between Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo, but I also think there are many points in common.
Am I correct?

Kilode?!:
Translating michelly, best I could get through Babel

Michelly and ptolomeus, keep your thoughts coming. Thanks

Thank you very much for the support dear friend.
Believe me it is difficult to speak in a language I do not understand.
The risk is unintentionally offend someone, besides being eexpuesto some jokes that have already occurred.
I am available to provide you the information you find interesting.
I reiterate my thanks, and I am at your service.

Prezado irmäo [b]Michelly:[/b]Os amigos do fórum estäo pedindo que Vc escreva em inglés.
Eu näo falo inglés, mas uso o tradutor de google, isso é ruim mesmo, mais da pra que eles entendam,
Um grande abraço de vosso amigo uruguaio !

Jenwitemi:
Dear Uru immortal, sorry to have hurt your feelings, bro. Was not intentional. To make you happy again, i love Luis Suarez. And i also speak 5 languages. 

Si; Suárez comenzó su carrera en el Club Nacional de Fútbol de Uruguay, El club de mis amores. Tri Campeón de América y tri.campeón intercontinental.

Todo bien con usted hermano,
Fue un mal momento, posiblemente de ambos, siempre es preferible ser amigos a enfadarnos por tonterías .
Cuente conmigo! y se lo digo de corazón!.
Un fuerte y sincero abrazo de su amigo uruguayo,

A friend who speaks Yoruba and help me know if text is correct?

Jenwitemi:
I think she does know. Lol!

Dear "immortal"
If you look, you see that I am a foreigner. I do not speak English, it is true. but I speak five languages ​​and you?
I am sorry that you intend to make fun of someone for a language issue, when you could learn a lot about common sense and morality.
Be happy with your English of England.
It's a legacy that you should defend.

I regret very much the level has dropped this dialogue.
It is not my style, I'm out of this.

Very interesting.
The recipe came to this part of the world thanks to you!
Thank you very much!

If I am not mistaken, have horns ,
This is a joke in bad taste right?

jonnex:
This is a blatant lie. Leviticus 18:22 refers to all acts involving gay behaviour. It does not matter if they love each other or not, Such love is not even genuine love; it is defiling relationship classified under the lust of the flesh. God says homosexuality is sin and that settles it.

Dear Sir.
I am not gay.
But to your question, I would like to ask you, what you think about what Abraham did with his wife Sarah to commit adultery with her ​​maid Hagar?

What do you think of adultery committed according to the Bible that David, Solomon and Muhammad?
That was not a sin then , Now if it is?

St.Lionel:
I must say it is really amazing, incongruous and humorously sardonic to see that some human being have all the time in the world to write a whole bunch/'book' of nonsense replete with innumerable grammatical errors just to criticize and puck their noses into matters too high for them. Nevertheless, I would like to wish a joyous, glorious, ecstatic and spirit-filled birthday to my one and only Mom in the faith, Rev. Anita Oyakhilome. Your very life has been a wholesome inspiration and life-changing material for us all. I will never forget the days I tried to speak in tongues like you do, lol. You've been a trail blazer, a coach and a role model with a difference. May God lavishly sponsor you with grace for the work that lies ahead. Happy Birthday mom, I love you,

Indeed, I do not speak english.
I just spoke five languages ​​but not English.
I regret that you judge people for grammatical issues rather than content , but everyone gives importance to what he can.
Do you speak Spanish? French? Portuguès? Catalan? Or only English?
Tell me what language you want to talk and we will ,
My greetings to his brother god, because as you say, Pastor Anita is also his mother ,

buzugee:
and no, you dont go to heaven because you are poor. there are some poor evil people around

Exactly.
Now we are you and I agree.
No one is saved by being poor, and no one is condemned to be rich.
No one is saved by being male or female, white or black ,
A murderer can be very poor and live a simple life ,
I think that sometimes tries to make a simplistic caricature of some issues that wind up behind contradictions and conclusions that no one could believe it ,
Imagine.
"To win the sky let starve my children and I will stop working poor"
or
"I will not accept the job because the Dare with my family well, and that means going to hell"
Yes , it is contradictory , and also unacceptable.
I do not think God wants his children to be individuals deplorable, pitiable, beggars, the sick , At least there is the concept of religion and God that I have.

buzugee:
ANALOGY- when you get gold or diamond from the ground, it is very rough and filled with impurities. you have to refine it with fire to blast out all the impurities. so also is someone who is expected to get into the kingdom. you have to be refined, tested and tried so as to make you the perfect specimen. 'suffering' is how the rough get refined to the polish. its a very necessary part of salvation. if that step is missing in your life, then more than likely you are not getting salvation. you have to be broken down and then recombined. the old has to be broken down to bring in the new you. hence the saying 'it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to recieve salvation'. the rich man is already recieving his salvation on earth, why will he want to rock the boat, to try and get another salvation that he cant see ? a salvation that requires faith. give up his good life so he can try to get a salvation he cant see ? hell noooooo.

Then all the rich go to hell because they are bad, and all the poor go to heaven because they are good ??,
I know very wealthy people and big-hearted , to give more than they have.
I do not think wealth and poverty have nothing to do with salvation.
I think (for example) who charges a tithe and use it to their advantage is that "diamond" that needs to be polished.
In my opinion, be rich or poor, black or white, Jew or Gentile, male or female, should not be reasons that condition that call "salvation".
But if you say it is so , well , so it will be for Christians ,