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Tribal:Cool story, sir. Keep it up. To gullible people who have read or will read this, just know that this is a thoroughly whitewashed and hagiographic account of Yoruba-Ghana relations. The resentment and hatred of Nigerians in Ghana began long before Igbos began to go to Ghana, when the Nigerians in Ghana were virtually exclusively Yoruba people, with a sprinkling of Hausa people. The names of the first Nigerians deported from Ghana in the late 1950s and early 1960s were: Alufa Osman Lardan, Ahmadu Baba, Samuel Faleye, Buliaminu Oni, and Alhaji Raji Bakare. We can see how very 'Igbo' these names are. I recommend this paper written by Yoruba historians at the Ekiti State University: "Expulsion of Nigerian Immigrant Community in 1969: Causes and Impact" by Drs Johnson Olaosebikan Aremu and Theresa Ajayi of the Department of History and International Studies of the above-named university. I'll post an excerpt from that publication here: "Nigerian traders of Yoruba descent were in control of Ghana markets in both rural and urban centers where they prospered tremendously. This prosperity led to the swelling size of Yoruba population from around 57,400 in 1931 to over 191,802 in 1960. Olaniyi Rasheed observes that the rising commercial profile of the Yoruba migrants attracted competition and indignation from Ghanaians who developed a feeling of displacement from their established socio-economic position. It is also important to stress that the profligacy of Yoruba merchants and their pseudo-capitalist tendencies also intensified the process of xenophobia. It was alleged by Ghanaians that Yoruba flaunted their wealth by wearing shoes decorated with Ghanaian currency while rich traders often had “excessive gold decorations and abused the power of money”. Though there might have been some exaggerations in these descriptions of display of wealth to the consternation of Ghanaians, it is true that most Yoruba traders owned most of the beautiful houses in Ghana and lived a life of affluence during their good days in Ghana. As was expected, many Ghanaians felt degraded by the extravagant tendencies of the migrants. This was the beginning of xenophobic reaction against Nigerian migrants in Ghana. Most of the returnees could recollect how Ghanaians became curious and restless regarding the commercial acumen of Nigerian traders and farmers and their eventual wealth in no small a time after their arrival. This led to insinuations by Ghanaian natives that Yoruba’s were magicians and “could make money from anything including the air”. With time, Ghanaians labeled Nigerian (Yoruba) migrants variously as “clannish, callous, arrogant and thrifty” among others. With such feelings of deprivation and subordination to the Yoruba very rife among Ghanaians, it was very easy to transform the Yoruba identity from traders to criminals who deserved nothing but expulsion. Yoruba migrants were treated with disgust by their Ghanaian hosts. This prompted the emergence of xenophobic slogans against the Yoruba. One of such slogans as captured by Olaniyi Rasheed in one of his interviews was “Mubaka” meaning “you are going” ." This is the history that you have tried to rewrite and claim that it was all roses and kumbaya between the Yorubas and the Ghanaians until Igbos showed up and messed things up. Lol. Well done, sir. This scapegoating of Igbo people that you Nigerians have turned into a pastime, I hope you people know that there is nothing at the end of that road except blood and heaps of dead bodies. I also hope that when that eventually happens all of you who are gathering firewood for that inferno will be able to live with yourselves. Throughout history there has always been the tendency for prosperous migrant communities to be despised by their hosts; and the hosts have always managed to find negative anecdotes and make it central to the narrative ("Oh, they do rituals". "Oh they can kill their mother for money". "Oh, they are clannish." "Oh, they are criminals" etc.). It has never been about these anecdotes: it has always been about the dynamics of prosperous settler/host relations which are universal, from Ghana to Nigeria to Timbuktu. |
Ishilove:He is the one who got a questionable bump on his penis AFTER getting oral from a lady. How about "men be careful whose mouth you put your thing in"? ![]() |
christistruth01:First, what is your evidence that the Itsekiri were one of the biggest traders with Onitsha? Can you cite any literature to buttress that? Trade along the Niger was heavily regimented. Aboh controlled the trade of the Lower Niger between Aboh and Onitsha. We have no record of Itsekiri going beyond Aboh to trade with Onitsha. Itsekiri confined itself to trading in the Niger Delta. If you have any evidence of them going to Onitsha in any significant number before European colonisation of the latter part of the 19th century, then present it. Otherwise, I'll assume you're making things up. Second, in Onitsha they already use 'Olisa' to refer to what the Itsekiris call Oritse. If the name of their town comes from this word 'Orisha/Oritse', then the town would have been called Olisa and not Onicha. Again, it does not make any sense to suggest that Onitsha could have corrupted one word twice and used both corruptions (Olisa and Onicha) simultaneously. Third, Onitsha is a relatively young town, only established at the height of Benin's imperial expansion. Yet deep in the east, far away from Onitsha and Itsekiri, there are many communities called Onicha, which are probably even older than Onitsha . It is there in Enugu-Ezike in the northernmost extremity of Igboland. It is there deep in Ngwa land on the border with the Annang. Was it Onitsha and Itsekiri that went there and established those places? Onitsha that couldn't extend its influence past Obosi and Ogidi in precolonial times? At the very least understand the geography and history of the Igbo before trying to pontificate on them. The etymology of Onicha is complex and has an entire back story to it. It is tangential to this discussion. The important thing to know is that it bears no relation to Orisha/Oritse/Olisa/whatever. |
christistruth01:Lol. Nairalanders and talking what they don't know. Olisa or Orisa or Olise is the version of your Orisha used among Igbo-speaking groups. The same people cannot render Orisha as Olisa, and then go ahead and render it again as Onicha, in one and the same community. It makes no logical or linguistic sense. Onicha (Onitsha) is an unrelated word, with no equivalent in your language. And Onicha is a common place-name throughout the Igbo-speaking areas. From Enugu to Ebonyi to Abia to Imo, there is no part or the southeast that does not have towns, communities and villages called Onicha. It is an Igbo concept through and through. |
Trinity213:I am surprised that no one corrected this nonsense. Osadebe does not mean God is with me. "God is with me" is Chinonyem. If I want to substitute chi with osa/ose (which is never the case with this particular name), it will be Osenonyem/Osanonyem. Osadebe means "May God keep" or "May God preserve". Debe is "keep", "secure", "preserve" in Igbo. We have a name like Chidebe which means exactly the same thing as Osadebe. Building on the "debe" concept, there are other Igbo names like Anidebe (May the Earth deity keep/preserve), Modebe (May the spirits or the ancestors keep/preserve) and Nnadebe (May the Father keep/preserve). The only thing Osadebe and Osadebamwen have in common is that Osa in both names mean God. Other than that the names are widely different, and one is not a version of the other. |
The time is long overdue for Benin people to begin to reconsider the dates for events in Benin history which they inherited from Egharevba's chronology. From the Portuguese records of the early 16th century, we know that the Ọba of Benin was waging war to the north of Benin in 1515/1516. Egharevba tells us that this war was the Idah War of the time of Oba Esigie. What Egharevba did not know was that according to a letter written by a Portuguese captain who was stationed on the Island of Prinicpe and trading with Benin, the Ọba of Benin who was involved in the war of 1515/1516 died in late 1516 or early 1517. This could not have been Ọba Esigie. And if the Ọba who died in late 1516/early 1517 was not Esigie, then it certainly means that the war that was waged in 1515/1516 could not have been the Idah War and had nothing to do with Esigie. As a matter of fact, it now looks very likely that the war that was fought in 1515/1516 was the Uromi War which involved Ozolua rather than the Idah War of Esigie. We know from tradition that Ozolua died towards the end of that war, which corresponds perfectly with the mention in the Portuguese letter of an Ọba who died in late 1516/early 1517. The Idah War must then have happened later, in 1517 at the earliest, but more likely sometime in the 1520s. Again, according to Portuguese accounts, the Ọba who was reigning in 1515 (who we can now firmly say was Ozolua) had his son and successor baptised and studying with the Portuguese. This son has to have been Esigie. The implication was that Esigie was baptised and received some Portuguese education as a youth, before his ascension to the throne. So on the account of Esigie's education and christianisation, Mr Leo Oronsaye is wrong, according to Portuguese accounts. It was Ozolua, not Esigie, who badly needed Portuguese weaponry for the prosecution of his wars. It was he who sent his sons, including his heir-apparent the future Esigie, to the missionaries for instruction and baptism. Orhogbua may have eventually gone to Portugal, but he wasn't the first in the royal family to be exposed to baptism and some Western education. Esigie was. Interestingly, Esigie's later rule showed that he had repudiated his 'conversion' and was even quite hostile to missionaries. To get a better knowledge of contemporary Portuguese (and other early European) writings about Benin, read "Benin Missions" and "Benin and the Europeans, 1485 to 1897“. Both were written by AFC Ryder who studied in detail the documents left by Europeans who visited Benin and the coast. |
Maazieze:Yes. That's why I said 'near equivalent'. Eze was in reality a multi-purpose word, but in this modern times the meaning has been narrowed to refer almost exclusively to Kings. |
babamoha:What does it mean for one's ideas to be black, for one's brain to be black, for one's heart to be black? Those lines seem to agree or conform with the negativity that has been assigned to the word/colour 'black'. It's like saying, "I am a goat, but I no dey reason like goat." Or "I be Igbo, but I no dey reason like Igbo people" |
Igwe literally means the sky. When it is used to address a king it is equivalent to 'Your Highness' in English. Eze remains the nearest equivalent to the English word 'king'. |
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y3mi:This is incoherent. And the analogy you used no make sense. If Martians ever succeed in colonising all of earth with the easy with which Europe overran Africa in the 19th century, it will mean that our technology and weaponry is massively inferior and useless in the face of Martian technology and weaponry. The same way African juju was demonstrably useless in the face of the colonisers' technology and weaponry. Also using an event that has not happened and that no one knows how it will play out if it did (i.e., a Martian invasion) to draw points from an event that HAS taken place and that we know EXACTLY how it played out (i.e., the European colonisation of the African continent) is fundamentally flawed. |
OasisX:Amazing how all respondents to this video are ignoring the barefaced lies this man sat there and told the international community. The lady with the bandaged eye was in Surulere, Lagos. But here this smooth-talking chap sits and tells the world it was in the southeast, without stuttering, without batting an eye. God oh! ![]() |
Spiff20:I tire. Igbos have voted non-Igbos massively at the presidential level for 20 years. The one time they voted for someone who happens to come from their ethnic group, they start shouting about bridges. Na only Igbos get hand to build bridge? Them kwanu should build bridge. Vote an Igbo man for once, too. |
Goodconcept78:Why do non-Igbo people keep saying this about the Igbo? Since 1999 that Nigeria returned to democratic rule, last Saturday was the FIRST time Igbo people voted overwhelmingly for an Igbo man at the presidential elections. Even when prominent Igbo men had been on the ballot, Igbos chose a Yoruba (Obasanjo) or a Fulani (Yar'Adua) or an Ogbia-ijaw (Jonathan). Ojukwu, who almost had a god-like stature among the Igbo, ran for president TWICE. Igbos NO vote am on both occasions! They voted Obasanjo and Yar'Adua. Jim Nwobodo, who was a big politician in the East, and a former governor of Old Anambra also ran for president and lost abysmally in the East. If it was Rochas Okorocha, or Orji Uzor Kalu who had run in place of Peter Obi, Igbos would not have voted for them. They would have given their votes to Atiku, just like they voted for Atiku in 2019. Voting for Obi had little to do with tribal sentiments; it was more about the conviction that this was who Nigeria needed at this point in time. You people that are bent on making it about tribalism and clannishness, despite what history shows about Igbo voting patterns, tire me. Do better! |
The same Peter Obi he accused on social media of plotting to kill/harm him. The kind of dirty politics and smear campaign this man ran this campaign season is scary, for someone who projects a born-again Christian image. Elections are now over and he is using style to do "No hard feelings, ei?" Thoroughly disgusting fellow. |
jafol:Kpanakwukwu. Ezi oshia. |
jafol:Nna gị fool. Nne gị akwuna. |
jafol:Your take away from your history is "Igbo people come and show us Igbo names"? |
Efewestern:It's mostly a linguistic issue. Elugbe's book on Edoid linguistics called "Comparative Edoid: Phonology and Lexcion" is the one reference that historians generally point to. |
UGBE634:My phone autocorrect did that. Since I set it to recognise Nigerian languages, it has been putting dots randomly on vowels. No time to be going back to edit. Lol. |
Efewestern:Origins in Edo North does not mean that the current occupants of Edo North birthed the Urhobo. In the same way, the origins of Indo-Europeans from the Ukraine area doesn't mean Ukrainians birthed the Indo-Europeans. In the deep time when these events and first migrations were happening, none of the modern ethnic identities Ẹsan, Afenmai, Benin, Urhobo, etc, would have made any real sense to the peoples of the era. From a linguistic POV, an Edo North origin for all Edoid speakers remains by far the best theory in scholarly circles till date. The Benin migrations which are very alive in oral traditions belong to the era of Benin imperial expansion, and those Benin migrants already found Edoid-speaking people on ground in Urhobo/Isoko and Ẹsan areas. |
duro4chang:Kinyarwanda was never the name of the country called Rwanda. Kinyarwanda was and remains the name of the language that Rwandans speak. Nawodo and Onawero have nothing at all to do with Namibia. Nawodo and Onawero were the old names of the island of Nauru, which is in the Pacific Ocean, nowhere near Namibia. |
Because Yoruba men are human beings, and Igbo girls are human beings; and in most cases human beings tend to marry other human beings. |
Maazieze:All of North Africa west of Egypt is Al-Maghrib, which simply means "west" in Arabic. It was never Morocco's exclusive name. Some of what is in the OP is wrong/misleading. |
Probz:No. The moniker has a different back-story of its own. Can't really get into it. |
noobaland30:Cenkhan is an interesting name for a Dutch. Are you of Turkish descent? |
I was hoping there'll be a couple of AKA songs, just to pay respects. Or is it too soon? |
Bahamas95:I appreciate the sarcasm. 🙄 Many Coloured people have a distinctive look that comes with being mixed-race. It's not just about having a light shade of skin. I'm lightskinned, and I still don't look like a typical Cape Coloured. The killers knew who they were going for. Mistaking him for a Nigerian is out of the question. |
othermen:LOL. This is not a rap feud, trust me. Nasty C has nothing to be afraid of, unless he is also suspected of having thrown someone's daughter from a hotel window. |
Bahamas95:Who will look a Coloured boy finish and mistake him for a Nigerian? Everything is not about you guys, |
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