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While at it, don't forget to round up those that killed almost 200 of your citizens few days ago in Plateau State.


Looks like it is already dying a natural death like previous occurrences

WebSurfer:
what is the essence of this write up.. tell us

No essence, just nonsensical writeup. Some Nigerians just love being dramatic.

Some are blaming the former deputy governor while others are blaming the wife. In both cases, it is still nonsense.
The man is gone, mourn if you would and move on but somehow, some people must always give unsolicited unrelated opinion

nairalanda1:
Well,our revenue is small,and it is a shame that government does not earn more or fight corruption with it.

Therefore government needs to do better. Serious indictment

And no,I am not excusing any government. If anything,again,thin revenue means that they ain't doing their job well.

There is no narrative..and a budget of 33 billion dollars is not enough for a nation of 200 million people, and that is before the looting starts.

But anyway, ye don't have to believe me..or agree with me

The budget is still 33 billion today because it is not used for what it is meant for. If the 33 billion is utilized, the 33 billion that is looking thin to you would naturally increase because there would be productivity.
If Nigeria budgets 500 billion, the same reason(s) why the 33 billion is not working or looking thin would make it thin too because there would be nothing to show for it. Industrialization is entrenched not by simply having more money to spend.

@ last paragraph, I wasn't arguing with you as we agree on most points. Was only pointing your attention at the direction that "welfarism" is not really our problem which you seem to be against vehemently.
No form of government or type of economic system neglects government providing certain welfare for its people, and providing it should not stop government from performing other responsibilities if the country is a serious one.

Happy Holidays

nairalanda1:
Dont you think that our thin revenue is an indictment of the current government and party.?

I fail to see any self deciet

I don't understand what you mean.

The crux of my point is, there's no thin revenue. The revenue is looking thin to ordinary people because it is stolen in astronomical levels.
Nigeria has more than enough revenue to run a healthy country if we are a serious people especially in our political circle

Whether it is an indictment on the current government and party is another thing but believing the idea that Nigeria is not industrialized because we have thin revenue is false. It is a narrative by government to further shirk its responsibilities to the people.

Most Nigerians provide everything for themselves including providing security.

aybabz101:
Where did u read that "Tinubu ordered that the 27 lawmakers should be returned to the house"...I understand that's the plan but he didn't publicly ordered that and he cant do that. In fact, there is a court judgement already nullifying the seats of those lawmakers null and avoid and elections needs to be conducted for them to be brought back to the house. I know the intention is to bring back these same ppl coz dey are wikes ppl, but saying that Tinubu gave "order" is a lie...

it is one of the line items in the resolution bro, maybe you missed that part.

If you think I am lying, it is very simple to understand that I am not when you consider that Amaewhule is part of the lawmakers that defected, if the President ordered for him to be reinstated as the Speaker, then the defected lawmakers were ordered to be brought back.
You can't order for someone to be reinstated as Speaker when his seat is vacant. I don't know if you are disputing this particular line item too.

The president explicitly ordered for them to be given full assembly membership and allowed to pick any area of choice they wish to conduct their legislative business. Furthermore, he ordered the governor to resubmit the already passed and signed budget to the 32 members house for fresh consideration.
I don't know if you've not seen the paper to dispute what I said as a lie

LegendHero:
So what has he done in Rivers situation that is against the constitution?

Tell me.

Ordering for the defected 25 lawmakers to be granted full assembly membership and ordering for the former speaker Amaewhule to be reinstated as speaker.

In as much as the president is trying to resolve a conflict like they claimed, he lacks the power (according to law) to make those proclamations. The former lawmakers he ordered to be brought back, are they returning as PDP assembly members or brand new APC assembly members?
Whichever way, they contravened Section 109 paragraph (g) when they defected so the president cannot use his office as he is not a law court to right what they did.

Secondly, ordering for Amaewhule to be reinstated as speaker when there is a subsisting court order authenticating Edison Ehie as the speaker is like the president assuming the responsibilities of the Judiciary. Whether the court order is suspicious like it is widely believed by the Wike camp, that court judgment can only be undone by an appellate court and not the president.

Finally, the totality of the president's order is like the FG running the affairs of an independent sub level of government.

Whether there was a round table discussion before they reached those resolutions, we can't tell but those resolutions don't look like something that was discussed. They look more like a military general giving order to his troops than a civilian trying to reconcile warring parties.

For anything, this Rivers crisis has shown that the PDP is a useless party just a little less than the APC

Love her vocal dexterity.

Lagbaja and Ego was a mad combo with their excellent delivery

nairalanda1:
I am not here to defend APC. or attack PDP

The current hardship we are experiencing IS very simple. We are trying to build a welfare economy on a thin revenue base. We are trying to use one source of income to pay for something that needs twenty sources or more of income to pay for.

Nigeria has always been in economic crisis ever since I was a child....and everytime all the experts said the same thing...we rely on one source of income and we need to diversify. The truth is, every Nigerian leader does patch patch because the alternative involves severe economic hardship.

Industrialization would help us grow very well. Very well. But the truth is, all industrial countries went through hardship to get to developed state...whether UK, Russia, South Korea, Japan, etc...all went through hardship to get there. So we pretend the money is enough and stealing commenceth.

Yes, corruption. Tinubu is corrupt, so also all the predecessor governments before him (remember the ten percenters of Nzeogwu's speech. They never went away...they are still there). Because when you run an economy like Nigeria where the division of revenue is controlled at one spot...and no, true federalisim won't change that...the stealing by those close to the division of funds is going to happen. It does not matter which government we put there, stealing will happen. Add the fact that Nigerians just want their side to take over, and control the looting...which is why we cannot have anyone holding government to account at all...and here we are.

And God knows if we divide Nigeria, we would end up with little Nigerias....all of them as corrupt as each other.

We better change ourselves.

While our linear source of income is true, why do y'all keep deceiving yourselves with thin revenue and Nigeria excuse.

With all the monies they steal and especially the billions they over budget for frivolities are not enough to run a healthy country.
Has it not become clear to you and others that more money in Nigeria is simply more money made available for stealing and indulging in frivolous activities?

Your submission is full of excuses for and against the criminal structure in our political system so I don't even understand what is your point exactly. Diversification and other beautiful speeches are not the prime problem of Nigeria, it is CORRUPTION, simple.
We have more Nigerians doing everything for themselves so Nigeria has more than enough resources to run a healthy country despite oil being the major source of our earnings.

In your third paragraph, are you inferring Nigeria is not industrialized because there is not enough money? You are absolutely wrong.
Furthermore, you are against concentration at the centre and you are against federalism, what exactly do you want then?

About your last paragraph, you are against division too since you somehow prophetically see the larger Nigeria character in the smaller new countries. Is it that Nigerians are doomed to fail in governing themselves?

Your opinion about corruption (stealing) is what I think you should concentrate on. The industrialized countries you referenced that suffered to get to where they are, it is because they toned down the lifestyle of stealing and developed the habit of obedience to law, that gave those countries resources breathing space to maximize growth. The talk of diversification is merely a beautiful talk as long as stealing culture is entrenched in our political life. If that is not taken care of, stop welfarism that you seem to be so much against from all of your posts I have seen in months, we are still not going anywhere.

Sidenote: Nigeria has spent cumulative resources that are enough to build 5 brand new refineries in turn around maintenance in the last 20 years. Yet none of them are working... Juxtapose that with with what you said and consider if welfarism is our problem

airsaylongcome:
Understand my point. The thread is titled "Three times Buhari said he approved...." and then they go ahead to quote Garba Shehu saying "Buhari supports...". This is not the investigator saying so. It's FIJ, supposedly after doing an investigation. I am not arguing whether Buhari approved or not, my argument is that Garba Shehu's statement that "Buhari supports..." cannot be used as "proof" that "Buhari approved...". It's semantic I agree but those are the technicalities that people like Mike Ozekhome will use in court when they ask for and get the judge to throw a case out of court

Okay

airsaylongcome:
Support does not mean approval. Approval would mean a document was signed by the president, in his regular signature

What are you even saying. You mean a policy that will affect both the micro and macro economic indicators of the country, a president will not approve but can only come on live tv to say he supports the policy on three different occasions? What is really the issue with some of you...

What is giving you the impression there is not approval with document and signature. Don't you even remotely consider that the investigators can keep that detail from the public to push whatever agenda they are on especially when they don't want to involve the former president in any of what they are doing. Are you really that naive to think the investigators will invite Buhari to the interrogation room if he signed it

Wike leave the governor alone to do his job. Fubara will always be loyal to you if you are not asking for too much.
With the number of former assembly members and former commissioners loyal to you, it is clear you are greedy, meddlesome and brash political godfather that any right thinking man will fall out with less you turn them to slaves. With your greed across board, Fubara will never feel the idea of being a governor even in eight years.

Okowa, Dickson etc were governors too

Starships4u:
When did he retire again?
I thought they said he was just promoted?

Which way do we follow??

They gave him the new rank as retirement benefit so he said, the reason he was not officially kitted with the new rank.

The man is retired but like we do in Nigeria, we can even resurrect the dead to give them official appointments

Not just Nigerian students so why make it specific to Nigeria.

France is not even top choice for Nigerian students

SyrusdeHansome:
Any Christian that trust a Muslim is not being fair to himself. All Muslims are the same.

May your days be long with blessings

There are many like that across all sectors in Nigeria

The governors are even number one on the list because they hardly do the job they are elected to do in four years but collect salaries and benefits for a job not done

SmartyPants:
What exactly are these people fighting over that should be dominating the attention of the nation?

Nothing.

Money money power power

It is clear to every discerning mind.

Presidential resolution reversing a court order. A resolution that only a single point out of many seem to favour the other part, not even a favour in the real sense of the word cause the former assembly members are yet to tell the world what the governor did that they served him impeachment notice.

A president reversing a court order and the constitution, thought that anomaly ended with Buhari

Bliss52:
Until INEC, verifies a defection, especially from Party ward and Local Government Registry then Media decamping means nothing under the law

Politics is grassroot, and Only your membership at your ward matters most



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That is not what the law said, stop adding or making assumptions. Section 109 paragraph (g) did not say that, the case law; Oloyo v Alegbe (1983) N.S.C.C. 315 in the judgment delivered by Justice Kayode Eso did not say that either

adioolayi:
I am not a lawyer...all I know is that legislature cannot interpret the law!

Senator Ifeanyi Uba defected from YPP to APC, who has declared his seat vacant You know why he is still having it free...it's simply because no one has taken him to court!

You talked about case law...a criminal that was arrested for an obvious crime...why do you think he or she will still need to be tried before whatever judgement is delivered

What I am saying is, the Speaker cannot just declare their seats vacant, without relying on any court pronouncements specifically on these lawmakers defection.

What if after trials, the court pronounce that their deflection is constitutional based on whatever evidence they present to the court

You know why the Speaker made that "illegal" pronouncements first?...they want them to be the ones to file court process on it

Same way you are also saying, they will be the one to go to court to vacate the pronouncement....No...The PDP should go to court first, to declare their seats vacant and then the speaker can act!

I don't even understand the point you are trying to make. You are just making attempts to use cases of disregard for the law to justify another wrong.

First paragraph: the power to declare a seat vacant in the legislature rests with the Speaker or whoever that's the presiding officer, if a lawmaker defects in contravention of the law or for absenteeism. The Supreme Court already resolved that in the celebrated case of Oloyo v Alegbe (1983) N.S.C.C. 315 in the judgment delivered by Justice Kayode Eso.
The case law provides that the Speaker or the House may seek a court action, he does
not necessarily have to seek such action before enforcing the provision of Section 109 of the Constitution by excluding the member from the House . A legal dispute only arise after the seat of the lawmaker has been declared vacant and it is the person who is aggrieved that should seek remedy in court.

Other organs of government are not bound by law to wait for judicial interpretation before they can perform their functions of applying the law. There is a reason there is the "instrument of judicial review". Where it is proven other organs of state acted outside their power, the judiciary declare it Ultra Vires and status quo is maintained.

Second paragraph: Ifeanyi Uba's seat not declared vacant by the house does not mean it is right and it is not right for you to use it as a parallel either. He only survived because he defected to the ruling party and the Assembly management decided to look the other way, thanks to our culture of brazenly disregarding laws in Nigeria. The YPP did not complain because they consider Uba to be bigger than their party and it doesn't still make his action right.

Paragraph three: you said a criminal arrested for an obvious crime still needs to be convicted by a court of law. This your reference is only agreeing with me. The obvious crime here is the defection of the lawmakers for no judicious reason, the arrest of the criminal here is the Speaker assuming his responsibility to declare their seats vacant, so they can now approach the courts to seek interpretation if the parties acted within the law.
There is a judicial precedent (court pronouncement) over defection so I don't understand what you mean. Section 103 and other case laws did not say there must be specific pronouncement for every specific defection before action can be taken.

Paragraph four: if the courts determine their defection is constitutional, they will be reinstated with full benefits.

Last paragraph: I don't understand what you mean by the speaker made that "Illegal Pronouncement". The speaker relied on an established law to make the pronouncement. You are not a judge/law court likewise myself to term it illegal.
The affected lawmakers should go to court.

Nigeria is really a lawless country, same thing Buhari did is what the current president is doing too. In a bid to solve a problem, we disregard the law to do whatever we want. Like the president "ordering" for the former speaker to be reinstated and people find it okay. I'm sure YOU will use this as a future reference just like you did with Uba.
The president lacks the power to reverse a judicial pronouncement, only a superior court can but our president just gave an order against what a law court pronounced "authenticating" Ehie Edison as speaker

Coolsat:
Good one, ijaw people are generally nice, the once I've met have been very wonderful. Aaaa izon

Yiaaaan!!!

adioolayi:
All I know is that, what the constitution says is not enough in pinning a crime or establishing that Law has been broken. Only the court of law can make such pronouncements.

By now, one would expect PDP to have take these defected lawmakers to court. Making noise on the pages of news papers won't cut it.

This is why I also believed the Speaker that declared the seats of the 27 lawmakers vacant erred in law ..went beyond his powers, because No Court has actually pronounced the actions of these 27 lawmakers illegal.

One will say, but supreme court has said where there is no division in political party, you lose your seat if you defect...I agree...but the court will still have to rule on the actions of these lawmakers to know if their actions is legal or not

No, the law did not prescribe for their action to be declared illegal before their seats can be declared vacant. You are just like saying; a court must declare A criminal before he can be arrested for killing B.
There is a case law that already made their act illegal, the onus is now on them to go to court to prove their action was not in contravention of the law. They will not because they know they are wrong and it is the reason the president and his party don't even want to go down that path.

There is a case law that prescribes that when you abandon the platform upon which you were elected for no judicious reason, your seat becomes vacant. Our electoral laws only allow you to vote for a party and not individuals so what they have done is taking what belongs to the PDP to another party for no justifiable reason according to law

Dreal1247:
Wike I hope you don't dance naked on the streets of Nigeria. The Ijaws are not smiling. Trade with caution. When it snowballs into an intertribal war, your family may be the first victims.

Wike know this but his Nairaland unfortunate supporters don't know. The whole Ijaw nation is behind Fubara and is ready to slug it out with Ikwerre people this time. Wike and Ikwerre people may just get what they are looking for. After 24 years of them dominating the state, they are knocking the first governor from another group. I am sure the Ikwerre traditional rulers that visited him recently told him but he is a stubborn man.

BondRiv:
First of all, leave Ikwerre people out of this. Only weak people resort to tribal sentiments. Fubara and Wike should sort their issues.

Define your purpose here. You have a lot working against you and I believe your confusion stems from your lack of purpose.

Yes, I said you pick and choose when it doesn't favour you. The context in which I used the word "favour" is clear. In case you haven't noticed, you are making the case and arguing in favour of the Sim/Edison camp. So contrary to your comment, you do care and have a business with them. At least, enough to be making a defence on their behalf.

Anyway, come back when you have your facts right. That seems to be your major problem, asides your lack of understanding of the law.

You can decide to shy away from the facts staring at you.
It is already a tribal issue, Wike understands this that's why he is pushing for people not to see it that way. The first governor from another group after 24 years of Ikwerre dominance is being knocked and Ikwerre is positioned to benefit again from his removal, you think it is my making that it is a tribal affair.

Now that you asked; my purpose is for Wike and his cronies to leave the Elected Governor alone to do his job. From antecedents, Wike cannot tolerate half of what he is doing to the governor no matter the kind of gentlemen agreement they have behind the scene.

Your last paragraph: you seem to be the one that is building your case on nothing and yet boisterous about it or maybe you are overestimating your understanding of what you think is going on in Rivers State.
The only thing you said from your previous submissions is that Edison Ehie is suspended. I referenced a subsisting judgment from a competent court of law confirming him as the authentic speaker. Then again, there is a case law/judicial precedent that empowers the authentic Speaker Edison Ehie to declare the seat of any member vacant if they abandon the platform upon which they are elected for no judicious reason which he has rightly done, so which understanding of the law are you talking about.

You already faulted Falana of not knowing the law, you've faulted the Judge of the federal high court of not knowing the law by your insistence that Edison Ehie is not the Speaker. You equally said I lack understanding of the law like you said to other commentators on this thread.

I am constrained to ask; who really are you? A Justice of the Supreme Court that is right and every other person is wrong.
Except I missed your other posts which I don't think I did, the only thing you've said so far is Edison Ehie is suspended. Is that why everybody is wrong and you are right?

BondRiv:
You love to pick and choose, don't you?

When it doesn't favour you, then it is a Kangaroo suspension. Well, if you know anything about law, then you should know that the suspension stands, until vacated by the court.

Tell the impostor parading himself as a speaker with the four members supporting him, to go and vacate his suspension first.

You can't be faster than your shadow. Edison cannot put something on nothing and expect it to stand.

Favour me you said? I don't have any business with any of them and careless whatever they decide to do with themselves but the fact is, Ikwerre people will not be allowed to play a fast one on other groups in Rivers State especially the Ijaw.

I said a kangaroo suspension because a competent court of law has confirmed him as the authentic Speaker except you are claiming the Federal High Court built its judgement on nothing. The court cannot confirm a suspended member of the house as the authentic speaker. Like I said before, if you and others are aggrieved, approach the courts for a redress as the judgment confirming Edison Ehie as the authentic Speaker is still subsisting.

Side note: Amaewhule is no longer a lawmaker even as his seat is now vacant so this dialogue is misplaced.
Amaewhule and his cronies should go to court to prove they are still lawmakers.

BondRiv:
Amaewhule is the Speaker of the Rivers State House of Assembly. It is obvious you don't have a good grasp of the facts and misapplying the law.

I would have loved to furnish you with more details but you already claimed in one of your earlier posts that Falana is also misinformed that he went to town with wrong information to discuss the Rivers political issue on live TV. On that ground, I yield cause there's nothing I will say to you that will be acceptable.

But peradventure you are alluding to the kangaroo suspension of Edison Ehie, you are on your own.
He filed a suit and a competent court of law has confirmed him as the authentic Speaker and equally has restrained Amaewhule from parading himself as Speaker. Now, his seat is even vacant by virtue of his ill advised defection to another platform for no judicious reason. I need not remind you that there is a case law that Amaewhule and his cronies violated. If he is aggrieved, he should go to court and even register you as one of his attorneys since you appear to know the law more than Falana

BondRiv:
Those opposed to the reasons stated by the lawmakers for their defection should approach the court for judicial interpretation. In the absence of that, they are still members of the assembly unless the court says otherwise. INEC is not going to conduct any fresh election because there is no judicial pronouncement to the effect that the seats are vacant. They remain lawmakers.

They are the ones to go to court to seek redress and not the other party. Their seats are already vacant, the power to declare their seats vacant lies with the speaker(legislature) and not the court. It is when the power is exercised by the speaker, the courts can now declare it ultra vires or affirm it if redress is sort.

There is a case law from the Supreme Court already supporting the power of the leader of the assembly to declare their seats vacant when they abandon the platform upon which they were elected for no judicious reason.

KingKO22:
Supreme Court will make the final decision

Final decision on what? If it is about the status of their seats, the Supreme Court already did. There is a case law from the Supreme Court that supports declaring their seats vacant.

If you mean final decision on another subject matter, then we can wait on the Supreme Court to make a final decision

The Nigeria spirit may already be defeated I am afraid...we are more like in the phase where "anything wey won happen make e happen, e no concern me"

Somehow, these victims still love the very leader that are doing nothing to protect them, and not just them, it is what almost every average Nigerian do.

What's with Nigeria Army and cow rescue. Thought that culture went with Buhari government. The soldiers went on animal rescue, now the terrorists are angry, they are attacking the people, the cows are safe but the people have no soldier to protect them.

Bello Mattawale is the current minister of defence. A state where terrorists christened bandits took over the state when he was the governor

Saturnalia:
This Aiyedatiwa is an over-ambitious snake and will meet his Waterloo sooner than expected.

We all know how politics work in Nigeria. Whenever the Government or any parastatal issues a rebuttal, refuting any statement - it simply means the statement or story is true.

Your principal was sick and you were busy scheming to take his place rather than standing by him in his vulnerable moments.

History is littered with the corpses of over ambitious & impatient snakes who usurped the authority of their masters.

There is a spiritual law that supersedes the man-made constitution of any Government.

I love & respect Arakunrin Oluwarotimi Akeredolu regardless of the accusations of his enemies & detractors.

When it mattered most, Akeredolu was the only Governor in the Southwest that stood up and spoke against the menace of the Fulani Herdsmen and thwarted their proposed RUGA (Rural Grazing Area) policy - with the creation of Amotekun.

For that singular act, the Lord Almighty will heal him and restore him back to his throne.

The only people that needed to stand by him are his doctors and family members.
The above mentality is exactly how Nigerians reduce state functions to a family business.
Government is bigger than individual interest and the state must function at all times, when you are incapacitated, you step aside and take care of yourself without being told.
How is the deputy governor a snake for scheming according to you to take over a position that is rightly his according to what the constitution prescribes.

Rather than blame Akeredolu and whoever that is pushing him that almost grounded the state, typical Nigerians are blaming deputy governor for whatever reason.
For anything, Akeredolu is the snake, a lawyer that preached one thing but is doing otherwise now.

You can eulogize Akeredolu for some of his past deeds just like you rightly did with his stand against Fulanis but don't elevate personal problem to a state problem. Falling sick as a human being is a personal problem, take care of it as much as possible and allow other people to do the job that you can no longer do. The deputy governor is a politician and he couldn't have been over ambitious to desire an office that is rightly his as prescribed by the constitution under the current circumstances.

sweetjohn:
Thats why America will continue to be world power for the next 100years. America know how to deal with their enemies and how to make friends. Russia and China just make enemies from left to right, up and down. Thats foolishness. even with all your nukes, without a viable allies of friends you are nothing. Look at today world, America is supported wholeheartedly with the continent giant europe, have allies in Asia, Africa and Australia. Allies that are ready to die for their course. But the foolish China and Russia thinks by showing off nukes the world will fear and respect them. NO way, e no dey work like that.

You understand how the world works. America will remain world leader far beyond the next 100 years thanks to their leaders that know how to make strategic friends and useful enemies just like you said.

akpumping7720:
You are right. Awilo logomba comes to mind

God bless you, I forgot to mention his name. He was famous even in remote villages in Nigeria because he was good at that time. We all danced to him.

Ghanaians should go and work instead of harboring deep hatred for Nigerian artists they may never meet up if they continue on this path