₦airaland Forum

MrCounselor:
Why? U MUST BE HIGH ON SOMETHING I DO NOT KNOW.
Here is for knowledgeable fellas, dole out your point from the consitution, make your reference as salient as possible so we can diagnose it. Quoting a technical book like that can be a show of ignorance.
You might be helping lots of Nairalanders out, me inclusive.

Am sorry if you felt insulted by my earliar post.
Section 147(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)of the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria is clear on the issue of Ministers,therefore the President CANNOT chose to govern without appointing Ministers(at least 36Ministers).

[quote author=MrCounselor post=35794829]Who are the majority you are dragging into mud? And what damage was done?
With the situation of things except the issue of security, no other sector, I REPEAT, no other sector is lagging behind...
Saraki brought disrespect on himself by turning back on his party (don't he know he'll clash wt the president?) to sabotage his unpopular senate leadership...
Ministers are mere political appointees, not usually experts in their respective posts. If PMB should continue with Perm Secs (they are very versed in their offices) till 2019 I won't object, only that PMB's goverment will be close to that of TECHNOCRATs.
I don't know why people are blindly clamouring for MINISTERs unless their family members could become potential appointees.
Left to me, I can live with a *ministerless* government.[/quote

Buy a copy of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, read it 2 Times in the morning, 3times in the afternoon and 5times at night for 7months. If your Ignorance continues, please consult T B Joshua and thank me afterwards

MrCounselor:
I don't understand your problems with ministers.
What if PMB decides to stick with the perm secs fro the next 4years then?
He has been using them and Nigeria have not collapsed yet. After a year Nigerians will actually know he's unwilling to appoint any Zap.ing minister, maybe by then you would be calling him Baba Snail.
Grow out of the archetypal minister-strewn government... I can live without them. What good came out of Allison Maduekwe being a petroleum minister, or people who knows nothing about avaition yet being a misnister there just to appoint someone as minister. Mmtschew.
Cut PMB some slacks, people.

Buy a copy of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, read it 2 Times in the morning, 3times in the afternoon and 5times at night for 7months. If your Ignorance continues, please consult T B Joshua and thank me afterwards.

nellyme:
If I were a man, I won't do any of them. Especially no 3, it kills our self esteem. I trust you dear not to do any! Or [i][[color=#990000][/color]I will poison your meal *smiles*

Hmmmmm...from the aboundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

madridguy:
Dino Melaye, how I wish you are on this forum to read my little advise. Never try to sideline your master, you and the likes of Saraki, Dogora and other traitors need to apologize to Tinubu.If Tinubu can unseat an incumbent president then who are you. PMB his a living witness to testify to how strong his Jagaban of Africa is. PMB has been on this course far back 12 years ago alone, we all know what happened when Jagaban intervene in his political career. You people have been childish, well, when the jungle matured we will be able to differentiate boys from men. Long life Jagaban of Africa, the mover and shaker of Nigeria politics. God Bless My Beloved Nigeria.

So it was Tinubu that unseated Jonathan abi? Why did he not unseat him with ACN in 2011?
Why did he not contest for the presidency?

Tinubu came to APC with 5 States, nPDP came to APC with 5 States,ANPP came with 3, CPC 1 and a faction of APGA 1.If Tinubu is a political wizard,as claimed by his fans, why did he not win the Presidency with only ACN in 2011? No single individual will claim the emergence of APC and its Victory, not even Buhari will claim that. Tinubu uses "I" where and when he ought to use 'WE' neither APC nor Nigeria is any individual's empire. What one does with POWER is more important than the power itself. Tinubu's achievement should focus on what APC do with the power they acquired rather than the fact that they acqired power within 2years or they unseat a sitting President.(that's never an achievement).
Tinubu is a person who always wants to be lord over everybody(unfortunately for him its not possible in Natiobal politics and the earliar he realises that, better for him).

The whole Military in the world cannot end Boko Haram without the support of the people in those areas. Is not by relocating the DHQ or whatever to Maidugiri,what has been the result ever since the relocation? They MUST include the people from those areas in this fight.
Again, we as a nation must as a matter of urgency review our foreign policies. We must know our foreign enemies, take it or leave it, our foreign enemies are benefiting from this insurgence.
In as much as I don't want Jonathan to continue beyond 2015, what has Buhari done so far to show that he was prepared to tame this insurgence? Nigerian government is good at 'cosmetic publicity'.
whereas Boko Haram are busy killing Nigerians, APC legislators are fighting for positions, yet after 4years the same people will work on the psych of some Nigerians to shout "Change"

cy4cent:
All men with their opinions, you can differ it's allowed.
Are you comfortable with Saraki in that position now? we talking about anti - corruption , does Saraki n those at the helm of affairs in NASS now represent agents of anti corruption?

Let's not be blinded with sentiments cos we want to be vindictive of a single man.

There is an adage that says if you go blind cos you don't want to see your enemies, then you won't even have eyes to see your friends !!!

You are the one that is heavily blind-folded by sentiments. Does Tinubu has the MORAL right to accuse Saraki of being corrupt? Is Tinubu not corrupt? When have Tinubu and co become anti-corruption agents? If you don't like the fact that Saraki is the Senate President, just quench your life so you can have peace. For you not have noticed the element of sentiment your demostrated in this post, means that you have lost control over your sentiment, to the point that you consciously and unconsciously demostrate it in the public.

NewsHub:
We are still saying the same thing: I'm aware that aggrieved members of the APC went to court to challenge the emergence of Ortom as the party's candidate. Jime is heading that and he has a case. But PDP has no case because what happened was a case of substitution of candidate. PDP can't claim APC had no candidate in an election that had a candidate sponsored by the party. It still remains a pre-election matter. That was why Jime went to court even before the elections. PDP would have gone to court before the elections and not tribunal. Just follow the case and see how it goes. I still insist PDP has no case. I just talked about a previous case in 2011 in one of my comments on this thread. Jime has a good case if he has a good legal team. The governorship will still remain with APC.

NO! That's where you got it wrong.The case is not a case of SUBTITUTION of candidate by APC, its a case of non compliance of the provision of the electoral act by APC, having failed to conduct PRIMARY election before the election, thereby disqualifying them (APC) not their candidate from participating in the election.In the eyes of the law, APC as a political party did not participate in that election.
A political party must have to win election before talking about which candidate was duely elected in their primary,but in this case, APC as a political party has no winning to share amongst their candidates. They were NEVER qualified in the first place to participate in the election. Please we are never saying the same thing.
The only way APC can come out of this,is to plead with those aggrieved candidates to withdraw their case and regularize the candidature of either Ortom or Jime(that's if its not too late already, because so many documents have been tendered in both courts)

BEASTER:
Mr Samuel Ortom is the sole candidature of Benue Apc, the party did her primaries by nominating him unopposed just the way PDP did for their Presidential candidate and no amount of court case will unseat Mr Ortom because he is the sole candidate of Benue people.

Read section 87 (1)(2)(3)(4)b of the electoral act, you would understand the position of the law in this case. You would also understand the position of the law concerning a 'concensus' or a 'sole' candidate of any political party.
There is no sentiment in law.

NewsHub:
It is still a pre-election and intra-party matter. You should also know that the party's constitution allows for waiver and consensus candidature. Like i said earlier the only way the PDP has a case is if the APC legal team fails to argue their case well.

My dear Section 87 (1)2 (3)(4)b of electoral act is clear on how a candidate can emerge.
A similar judgement has been delivered in Edo State, in favor of PDP.
APC aggrieved governorship candidates had, before the general elecion (ie 2014), gone to Abuja high court (not Tribunal) to challenge the emergence of Samuel Ortom as the flag bearer (the case is still pending in court). Whereas PDP approached the election partition Tribunal, praying the court to declare their candidate the winner of the election, arguing that APC NEVER fielded a candidate as at the time of the Election, having failed to conduct primary election as enshrined in section 87 (1)(2)(3)(4)b of the electoral act.
The case which is a pre-election matter is the case filed by the APC aggrieved governorship candidates at the Abuja high court,and not the PDP's case.

Toktee:
extend same qustion to pdp in rivers,benue state,nasarawa state,delta state,even jonathan candidacy was without primaries,so,can you explain why?

But nobody brought any course of action against the candidates from those states you mentioned.

NewsHub:
Funny!!! PDP/Tarzor has no case. The only way they can have a case is if the APC legal team fails to do their job, and that is unlikely.

Lets understand somethings:

For those citing the case of Amaechi and Omehia in Rivers state, remember the final judgement. The court ruled that victory in a general election belongs to a political party and not the candidate.

This case is similar to a case i was very involved in after the 2011 elections. The case was between Comrade Dan Onjeh of the then ACN and Hassan Saleh of the PDP. Dan Onjeh took Hassan Saleh and the PDP to court challenging the victory of Saleh who replaced the actual winner of the PDP primaries, Chris Abah popularly known as Mad lion in Benue.

Dan Onjeh told the court that since Hassan Saleh was not the candidate that emerged as winner of
the PDP primaries, he (Saleh) should be disqualified and Dan Onjeh having come second be declared winner of the house of Reps election.

Both parties presented their arguments and counter arguments with the legal team of the PDP hammering on two points:
1. The matter is an intra-party affair that does not concern Dan Onjeh and the ACN, only a member of the PDP has the right to challenge its primaries.
2. The matter is a pre-election matter hence the Tribunal lacks the jurisdiction to hear the case. The Tribunal is to handle post election matters.

At the end of the day Dan Onjeh and the ACN lost the case with Hon. Hassan Saleh maintaining his position as member representing Okpokwu/Ogbadigbo federal constituency of Benue state.

Terhemen Tarzor and the PDP in Benue should go and sleep. They have no case! After the mess the former governor, Suswam put the state in, it's funny and annoying that PDP thought they could win Benue.

Fact: Samuel Ortom or any APC candidate will remain the Governor of Benue state.

Did APC conduct governorship primary in Benue State?
The Tribunal has the jurisdiction to entertain the case on the arguement that,"APC did not stand for the election and was wrongfully declared the winner"having failed to conduct PRIMARY election as required by the electoral act.

kokoA:
It was also stated in the judgement of Ameachi vs Omehia that election victory is for the political party and not the individual, that's why Ameachi became governor without contesting the governorship election. The victory belonged to the PDP and not Omehia then. In this case to, it will amount to injustice to take an APC victory and hand it over to the PDP who contested and lost... Whoever wins the court case between Jime and Ortom will become governor. PDP has no case here.

Law is not what you think, rather is how it is.
You cannot build something out of nothing, do not be sentimental because there is no sentiment with the law.
In the case of Amaechi vs Omehia, Amaechi participated in the primary, and was unjustly subtituted with Omehia by PDP, therefore, PDP was qualified to stood for the election, having conducted the primary as provided in the Electoral act.
In this case, APC did not conduct any PRIMARY as pre-requisite to stand for the election,therefore, in the eyes of the law, as provided in the electoral act, APC was never qualified to stood for the election, having failed to conduct a primary election.
Do you now see the difference? Please don't be emotional about this, am neither an APC nor a PDP supporter. I said things objectively and in consonance with the provisions of the law.Thank you!

mrvitalis:
PDP never stop being foolish there case is as good as dead on arrival
APC won the election and who ever can prove he is the real candidate will be sworn into office just like what happened in Ameachi case in 2007
Please PDP should just go and sleep

If PDP do not have a good case at the tribunal, there would not have been any need for the letter.
In this case, PDP argued that APC did not conduct Primary election, as required by the Electoral act. The report has it that PDP relied on the documents produced by APC aggrieved governorship aspirants who are also in court to challenge the emergence of Samuel Ortom as the APC governorship flag bearer,to proof their case.
In the case of Amaechi V Omehia, Amaechi stood for the primary, but was latter subtituted with Omehia by PDP.Therefore, the FACT of the case you cited is not the same with this case.

LouisVanGaal:
be sincere and answer this question yourself...Morally speaking, Saraki was wrong to go ahead with an election in the absence of his fellow competitor...is not about whether the APC senators were meeting with the president or not...is about integrity @ stake and Saraki showed that he lacked it! Like i said in one thread, a David mark would not tow the path of Saraki even if he's faced with the same situation a 100times...what he would have done is to wait for the full house and liase with the PDP afterwards...Even the PDP would have still voted for him in order to spoil show for APC, BUT impatience made him to become a prey before PDP that was why he foolishly ceded the DSP post to them....Now why didnt Dogara tow the path of Saraki or were they not faced with similar situation?? Saraki would have earned the respect of the red chamber if he had done the right thing and won fair and square...Now he is seen as a traitor...dont think it's only in the APC; even the PDP would be wary of him...but alas, pride would not make them say it....It's just a matter of time for his exit..

Did I hear you say "Intergrity"? Tell me 1 politian in Nigeria that has intergrity?...politics all over the world is a game of interest...you may not like Saraki, but he did not do anything wrong.Infact in real sence, it was those absentees Senators that made Ekweremadu the deputy Senate President and not Saraki. Infact APC should even thank Saraki for being there at that time if not PDP would have legally and constitutionally produced both the Senate President and Deputy ,because they(PDP) formed the required quorum for the election, and nothing APC senator could have done,as they do not have the constitutional 2/3 remove them.
Therefore, Saraki should have been praised by APC rather than critizing him.
My prayer is, any person(s) that is expecting the downfall of another person(s), may he,she or they see the person(s) succeeding the more.

Realdeals:
I see tough times ahead for Saraki and his supporters.

What did you see ahead of your own life?

Apart from being constitutional(Ministers), a Minister ought to be an EXPERT in that Ministry who carries out the Policies and programes of the executive in that Ministry.Whereas a Perm Sec might not be an expert in that field, he/ she is just an Administrator in the Ministry.
That's why PMB is taking his time to bring in the EXPERTS that would form his cabinet.
In a nutshell
Minister=EXPERT
Perm Sec=ADMINISTRATOR.

midolian:
If the has the power to summon the National Assembly, or Parliament to an extraordinary sitting to conduct special business..pls what does this mean?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Nigeria

You are really funny you know. When did Wikipedia become the CONSTITUTION of the federal republic of Nigeria? You mean the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria draws the 'Executive'powers from Wikipedia? "Any other law that is INCONSISTENT with the provisions of this CONSTITUTION, shall to the extent of its inconsistency be nulled and void"

Just quote a particular section of the Nigerian CONSTITUTION where the President draws his "POWER" to summon the National Assembly or forever remain silent.

simpleseyi:
I hope Saraki and Dongoyaro are reading how Buhari is currently dealing with the politicized DSS. Buhari is a trained military strategist. He knows how to deal with his enemies at the right time. Saraki still has several cases with EFCC including embezzling Kwara State money, running down Trade Bank, running down Societe Generale Bank, Intercontinental Bank ex-MD also mentioned Saraki. Ali Ndume has a case of terrorism and boko haram sponsorship at Federal High Court. Cases can be re-opened any time. Ask Buruji Kashamu, he has experience in pay-back punishment.

We warned Jonathan, he did not listen; instead he believed his SS and SE brothers only. We warn the spokewoman of the DSS, she did not listen, instead, she turned herself into PDP spokewoman. We warn Buruji Kashamu to stop abusing Obasanjo, he did not listen, instead he said Jonathan is his messiah. We warned Bode George not to toy with Tinubu, he said that he, Bode George is second to God, we all know how many months he spent in Kirikiri minimum security prison. Now, we are warning Saraki. Ask Alex Ekwueme, Jim Nwobodo, Umaru Dikko and others what Buhari did to them in 1984. A word is enough for the wise.

By their assertions, you shall know them. You mentioned "Alex Ekwueme"and "Umaru Dikko"
why did you skip Fela Kuti and all other Yorubas GMD dealt with that time?
My dear, this is not Military rule.
You suddenly realised that Saraki has a pending case with EFCC and Ndume is standing trial of terrorism. My dear be objective in your reasoning.

vedaxcool:
you are traitor dazz all. He should keep poking the bear, till we launch our counter attack

https://www.tensionnot.com/pictures/images/Gif/Polar-Bear-Attack.gif

Who are the "WE"?

midolian:
Fake news everywhere. Very fake.



It makes no sense to say "with the senate announcing an adjournment till july 21, the presidents ministerial list will have to be delayed till then or till after Ramadan Festival"..This is very untrue. The president has the power to ask the lawmakers to meet when the need arises. if the ministerial list is ready even by next week, he can always ask them to meet over it.

Which particular section of the constitution did he draw the power from?..., though the NASS can assemble at any date before the adjourned date for any emergency matter of National interest,does not mean that the President has the 'POWER'

spako4:
Saraki,you can run but you cannot hide.
Ambitions can make you senate president but cannot keep you there

Hahaha... of course if his ambition kept him at that seat, it means he is not progressing politically, therefore, after his sucessful reign as the Senate President, he will advance to the next level of his political career. Watch out!

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NgeneUkwenu:
If you think Saraki wields influence outside Kwara state then you dont know politics. There is a reason he desperately wanted to become the Senate president!

Please tell us the reason(s)

MosakuAW:
Well said madam, but all the crisis was caused by PMB with this statement:

" I belong to everybody;I belong to nobody."

This was the statement that gave Saraki the power to flex power with APC leaders knowing well that PMB wont intervene in NASS crisis


Politics is too bitter in this country, and i wouldnt be surprised if they start kill one another.

They are there for power and money and not for us.

Naija I hail oooo.

My dear, with or without the statement, Saraki would have still aspire to become what he wants to become, therefore, the statement played no role. Lai Muhamed erred by opening saying that PMB is not APC leader on National Television. PMB's priority is never who becomes what in NASS, hence his statement that he is ready to work with anyone. Since he said that he is ready to work with anyone, being the 'chief executor' of APC manifestos, why is the party leadership imposing candidate to the house members?

TonySpike:
Gen Buhari should dissolve the Senate immediately and indefinitely as it is a burden on the nation. Representatives from each State houses of Assembly should instead represent each Senatorial districts on a National level.

Ignorance is what you have in aboundance...I guess its your comparative advantage.

donphilopus:
Saraki ruling his fellow party-men out of order anyhow he likes. Don't worry, uvo va zawu (Hands shall catch you)!! He should enjoy his little stay just like Wike is enjoying his!

Do you mean if his "party-men" are out of order, he should not rule them out of order simply because they are his " party-men"?
For your information, Saraki will only go higher and higher in politics, more people love him now than before.
Wike will govern Rivers State for 8years, maybe you would have been dead by then, if you don't want to see him as the Governor for that long.
In conclusion, hatred is your comparative advantage. I will always fight those that express hatred on this plateform.

ferhyntorlah:
Phahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Rex oh Rex.
I knew you would ask me this question. I'm sorry but I can't make you understand.

My apologies again.

Lol..you mean you set a trap for me, and you eventually caught me?
in Patience voice " continu"

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ferhyntorlah:
You won't understand.

Really?...fine ,make me understand if you don't mind.

eleojo23:
The first reaction is for one to call her a fool for killing herself over a relationship break up. But it can really be painful to get dumped after 7 years. 7 good years!
She might have invested a lot into the relationship hoping that it would end up at the alter only for everything to be rubbished by that phone call. It can really be a hard blow on anyone especially in our society where there is so much pressure to 'settle down'.
What she needed at that moment was someone to help her put things in perspective, to let her know that all wasn't over for her and that she could still move on and have a happy life. That her life and happiness was not tied to or dependent on anyone.

I condemn the action of the guy. Though the details of the story are sketchy, I assume that he must have given her the impression that he was going to marry her only for him to rise up one day and call it quits.
To the men folk, if you do not intend to marry a lady, make it clear from the beginning so that you don't send the wrong message and raise her hopes.
It is wicked to lead someone on only for you to abandon the person at the middle of the road.

Most at times ladies are the ones that pressurize men to propose to them,infact they go as far as 'assuming' that the guy has proposed to them, when in real sence, the guy has not. Any single lady you approach now, the first thing that would run through her mind is marriage. When I see ladies that flaunt engagement ring with pride, I laugh within myself,some would lock up from every other guy in the name of "I am seriousely engaged"
Ladies heed to me today and be free from heart breaking.
Nothing under the sun is 100% certain until it happens,no matter how sure you think you are.Anyways, I have always say that a broken relationship is far more preferable than a broken marriage.

ferhyntorlah:
Mr Orikinla, I'm sorry to say this but Atiku Abubakar will never be the president of Nigeria.

Please stop using Buhari as a yard stick for Atiku. The grace of GOD on Buhari made him become president, which Atiku lacks.

The Sarakigate scandal revealed his true colour. And again, he's a fair weather politician unlike Buhari. He's unstable politicallly.

Who told you that Atiku lacks God's grace? Atiku has all it takes to become the President, therefore, HE CAN.

muzzol:
Left to you, your analysis should qualify you for a global statistical award abi? Did you consider that based on your premises, those 57 are not even qualified to be in the chamber as they were elected by 9% of Nigerian or 22% of registered voters....remember you can't build something on nothing.

Each Senator was elected by thier senatorial zone ONLY, therefore their individual percentage of their individual scores should be compared with the popution of their individual zones and with that of the total registered voters in their individual zone ONLY.
What am saying in essence is, he that comes to equity MUST come with clean hands. APC or the Abdusalami panel does not have that MORAL right to say that 51 Senators were disenfranchised, whereas, 57senator legally voted and supported Saraki's emergence as the SENATE President.
I rest my case