₦airaland Forum

prolog2:
for every terrorist killed in an American drone strike, count at least 5 civilian casualties. I seriously doubt Nigerian airstrikes and "ISR" Can do any better. Between what things are for and how they are used, there might be a huge gap. You are indeed guessing. I really don't see what needs to be classified in the matter and I don't see the logics in alluding to the correctness of the shot falling into classified domain.

Come off it. What innocent civilians would be under the trees with BHT? I can equally say you are guessing because you obviously don't like the military. Where is your source about the American strike rate collateral damage you quoted? If you don't think there is anything to classify about ISR, then I really have nothing further to say.

prolog2:
Even the Americans have targeted civilians many times so I don't think the Nigerian military is above such mistakes. Stop guessing that there is a solid process of identifying suspects by the Nigerian military, the reality might leave you very disappointed. I have huge doubts giving how the Nigerian military is often very trigger happy, just like that soldier who worked up to an unarmed shiit protester and shit him on the chest, or that other soldier who did some Kung Fu on the head of a protester who was already laying on the ground and trying to get up.

I am not guessing. It is what ISR platforms are for. All you are shown are declassified clips, not the whole sequence of events. There are problems in the Nigerian military, but you seem to think it is all bad. Well it isn't and the NAF are not doing badly taking into account the lack of platforms in sufficient numbers. The current NAF inventory isn't even sufficient to prosecute the current campaign in the NE talk about every other hotspot.

prolog2:
Also how do they know the guy is a terrorist and not a civilian at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Would have been established by the ISR platform about ongoing BHT activity under the trees before calling in air strikes. I don't think it would be a civilian approaching BHT members but sometimes these things happen.

fabselad:
just wish to ask a little question please.

So it's those 2 tucanos that will change the situation in the North of Nigeria against BH.?

Excuse me for butting in. Better base defence set up will help if the defensive status is maintained. Well fortified and defended bases needed not barbed wire and rickety gates. Then a new COIN doctrine is needed based on lessons learnt.

The British and Americans could defend their bases because of how they were set up. Training is one element but if the troops feel exposed with inadequate defence set up and support, the training will be out the window.

I do like this photo of the NAF. Sorry if a repost.

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prolog2:
This looks like an attempt to excuse incompetence. Hit and run was created thousands of years before air Force was created. Yet some people were able to fight against hit-and-runners.

Call it what you want, it is the reality. ISWAP/BH are still for now reduced to that. They have freedom of movement across borders and are well concealed. Without adequate investment, this will continue. No shortcuts without major investment in the military no matter who is in charge.

prolog2:
Boko Haram doesn't even have an air Force. How come Nigerian military needs so much tools to defeat an ennemy which doesn't even have 10 percent of what Nigerian army currently has ?

It is the nature of COIN warfare. Hit and run is the easiest to carry out with speed and the right tactics and the most difficult to defend against. You will hardly find a Western power engaged in an insurgency without adequate firepower to repel and CAS. If you haven't got an overall picture of the battlefield, you will find it hard to defend against. This is why the only alternative is to withdraw and let the Air Force carry out strikes when they eventually arrive.

The problem with the Nigerian Armed Forces in this CT/COIN saga is the lack of situational awareness. Without reliable and consistent eye in the sky, soldiers will continue to be run ragged in the fog of war.

More eye in the sky and assault platforms needed now more than ever. Also, vehicles and soldiers ought to have identifying symbols visible (infra-red) from the air so friend and foe can be easily identified.

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Odunayaw:
There must be a medical term for all this

Someone help please

Disassociative disorder.

I am aghast how shallow minded people are and what short memories. If you guys continue with this APC PDP nonsense, the country is doomed. Look for fresh talent.

Geronimoe:
It's absolutely okay to blame the president and that's your unequivocal right but should the blame wholly be on him? We have a system that has been completely dysfunctional and is still dysfunctional. It's easy to blame the president on Badeh's death but nobody is talking about the dead driver. You see why I did say the system is dysfunctional. Maybe Nigeria will get better if we begin to have an introspection. Some people might think that Nigeria has a leadership deficit, the problem is the people, it's very hard for us to see beyond our noses without bringing inanities into matters, that's why it's easy for soldiers to kill unarmed shitte and we think its okay, that's why politicians bereft of ideologies easily cross carpet to other political parties as easy as they change their girlfriends and Nigerians think it's okay. That's why a sitting governor will be recorded collecting bribe and nothing will happen. That's why the senate can go on recess for no good reason without discussing the budget. That's why a senator can pose with his expensive cars in this country acclaimed to be the poverty capital of the world. That's why the elites and politicians can look at us in the face and tell us Bleep you lot because they know we are filled with inanities and their actions bears no consequence.

That is why I asked Nigerians to look in the mirror. Na today e start?

LTGEN:
Captain Stephen and RKA 2
Please ignore once you answer him its like adding fuel to the fire.
just this once i humbly ask this favor ignore.
do NOT feed the troll no matter what.
Thank you in advance.

No worries.

Xbee007:
Buhari's administration is controlled by extremist Sunni cabals. That was why they could easily send Guards Brigade to perform their dirty jobs. Nigerian Police would have handled the brainwashed and suicidal shia protesters much better but they had to send heavily armed soldiers. These people keep bringing shame to the country.

Demonstrations should be policed by anti-riot Police and a lot of armed banditry around the country by MoPo and CT/COIN
Police units.

The .militarily is for external aggression and internal insurrection. More investment in the Police and other para-military agencies is badly needed.

CaptainStephen:
Its ludicrous of you to ascribe the actions of a few to others.

I wouldn't bother trying to reason with certain people here. Boko Haram and other terrorist and not well meaning organisations are succeeding in their propaganda and turning people against each other.

There are thousands of soldiers in the North East fighting bravely, but no, base everything on a few terrorist edited videos.

The same soldiers will be there whatever political party is in power. The security services recruit from the populace. Maybe Nigerians should look in the mirror.

Krak:
The insurgents seem to be taking the initiative, this is a War of Attrition. I hope our boys dont get tired soon.

It is difficult to ascertain what is happening as there is propaganda on both sides, but it is unfortunate when your own citizens delight in alleged setbacks by the military.

If the military fails, the same citizens become victims. People have to learn to put politics or agitations aside in the national interest or all will ultimately suffer.

https://www.herald.ng/breaking-troops-repel-attacks-by-insurgents-disguised-as-aid-workers/
Boko haram
The Nigerian Army has repelled attack by Boko Haram insurgents who disguised as humanitarian workers at Gudunbali community in Borno.

In a statement on Sunday, Col. Onyema Nwachukwu, the Deputy Director, Army Public Relations, Operation Lafiya Dole, disclosed that the insurgents, on Dec. 14, attempted to infiltrate the community, disguising as a humanitarian assistance team.

Nwachukwu said that the insurgents took advantage of the ongoing distribution of relief items in the community and opened fire on troops’ location.

He revealed that another set of insurgents on mounted gun truck engaged the troops in fierce gun duel, adding that the troops successfully repelled the attack.

Nwachukwu said: “Troops of Operation Lafiya Dole, located at Gudumbali in northern Borno, on Friday Dec. 14, repelled infiltration attempt by suspected Boko Haram terrorists that disguised as humanitarian assistance team.

“The terrorists took advantage of the ongoing distribution of relief materials at Gudumbali and opened fire on troops’ location, which was followed by rapid fire from other terrorists in gun trucks along Gudumbali-Kukawa axis.

“The troops, however, fought gallantly and out maneuvered the attackers inflicting heavy casualties on them.

“Unfortunately, a soldier paid the supreme price during the encounter and one other wounded in action, while a Cobra Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC) and a truck belonging to the unit were damaged.”

The army spokesperson added that the troops recovered bodies of some of the neutralised terrorists, large quantity of ammunition and 8 Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPG) charges.

According to him, the troops have been reinforced and normalcy restored to the area. (NAN)

iblawi:
what is helo gunship? What is an attack helicopter? In what way are they different from each other?

The only � Nigeria order from Italy is A109 helicopter. The journalist made a mistake by calling it a gunship which is a term used to refer to MI35 and MI24 Mostly.

On this occasion it wasn't a journalist that made a mistake but actually what the NAF spokesman wrote in his press release.

I think the last bugle call may already have sounded on this thread.

SupremeCourt:

"Army has not received the $ 1 billion promised us last year for war efforts" - Lt Gen Buratai.

Oga chief of staff is the army deaf sir? Senate still asked army again for the 100th time since 2017, tell all Nigerians what are the things you want to buy and spend the one billion dollars for, but you still refuse to answer, so they still refuse to give you the money. Simple.

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"Government will soon buy modern weapons to stop Boko Haram" - President Buhari.

Your Excellency, people voted you to change our nation, including our army. So you, retired army general trained in tank MBT combat in America, does not know T-72 tank is from 1970 and obsolete? You dont know Vickers tank maximum shooting range is only 500 meters or half a kilometer, while Boko Haram shoots anti-aircraft from 3 km away cutting off the head of our troops that cannot reply fire from long distance?

Nigeria has 1970 tech tanks made in 1980 used under America trained army tank warfare commander 4 Star General, so its now 120 innocent Nigerian soldiers died in 45 minutes fiery combat defending our base with broken down T-72 that fired twice, old gun stopped jammed, Vickers tank ancient relic of 1980 could not even touch the enemy far away, allowing Boko HARAM fighters to enter the base once our tokunbo tanks malfunctioned after 40 years of manufacture, sale and resale, and over-use for Oyinbo's own training in Europe, then sold to Nigeria third hand, used four years non-stop in Borno war, no yearly mechanical maintenance overhaul till guns broke down and most ERA broke off, because we have only 47 old obsolete T-72 tanks when Algeria bought 500 T-90, India 2,000 T-90, Uganda 44 T-90, Azerbaijan 100 T-90, so Buhari does not know his army is badly equipped until death visited 120 widows and fatherless in Nigeria?

What modern equipment these Buhari and Dan Ali vow to buy now, maybe a lie, maybe true, ask them to name these modern weapons they want to buy now; no name, no list, you are in darkness again my friend, PHCN darkness includes information blackout in this unlucky Nigeria that is always a victim of bad leadership since 1960.

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Once they enter government position in Abuja, voices of those that voted them to power is no longer important to them

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You are not wrong. It has always frustrated me the army's inability to state what it wants nor what it has ordered. It is not as if it is locally made technologically advanced equipment that needs to be kept under the hat.

I don't see the reasoning behind it apart from not wanting to be scrutinised as it has no basis in strategic thinking. Where is the transparency?

In fact, knowing the inventory of your enemy is a deterrence in itself.

Mngusuul Uji
Mngusuul Uji
@brendauji
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Presidency orders emergency procurement of critical equipment for Armed Forces under Govt to Govt policy.- Here's hoping the Govt. we're dealing with will understand it's an emergency.
[/b]Meanwhile, Chief of Army Staff directed to remain in the Northeast till security improves.

https://mobile.twitter.com/brendauji


Let's hope this is true.

Ibrahimanis:
Africans (especially Nigerians) are more exposed to fake news than Americans. (imagine that)

At the height of farmers/herders clashes, facebook had to disable Several accounts based in UK for spreading fake news in Nigeria.

Fake news has led to death of several individuals in Nigeria.

I know for a fact that some of these guys are dismissed personnel who bear grudges against the military. (I know one personally)

The military has it's fault but some of the claims on social a media are outrageous.

Not everything seen on the social media is the gospel truth.

I am just shaking my head at the gullibility of people or downright deliberate spreading of fake news for various agendas.

bidex111:
I think the airforce should go more for the jf17 ASAP, honestly 2024 his really a donkey year..

So do I. I hope there is a multi- year procurement.

Sizzorkay:
lol, last response to this.
I pointed something out, yet you seem to ignore it or not get what i meant
As for your moral of the story, that applies to you not me, i gave you 3 separate chances to correct it, you didn't, more or less.
All good bro, i made my first comment as a joke actually, Initial comment was "What have you been smoking", but i thought that might be taken too serious.
Anyways, never said i cared about the delivery date, wasn't arguing that with you, just the dates was what i thought was out of place.
They can deliver it in 2034, not my problem,na today them know say they need these things? After all these yrs. smh. Good luck to the country.
The war will be worn when they are serious about winning it.
Cheers bro

Last response as well. The moral of the story was for me. I would have stuck with my position yesterday as in my mind I meant 2024 and I couldn't understand where you were coming from.

I mean well for the country and hope they get their act together soon.

Anyway all good, over and out.

Sizzorkay:
For the love of God, dude, I'm not mocking you, can't you see what you are writing? You keep saying 2014, we are in 2018. For real?
Why on earth are you talking about final delivery in 2014? Wanna travel back in time or something?

Contract to be completed 2014. Deliveries will begin 2019/2020 and the final aircraft will be delivered in 2014. Roughly 3 a year

Contract to be completed 2014, we are in 2018.
Deliveries will begin 2019/2020 and final aircraft delivered in 2014?
You can't see what's wrong with that right?
Anyways, have a nice day chief.
You were the one who said i should ask if i were clueless, so i asked.
Thanks for your time. please may i borrow that time machine when you are done?

Oga smug, I never called you clueless, you did that yourself.

BTW I did mean comp!etion by 2024, now corrected

Moral of the story is not to rush one's replies without reviewing

Question for you. NAF's Mi-35, after re-negotiation with Russia, when were the first pair delivered and where are the final 8?

Sizzorkay:
I'm not arguing with you, nor was i complaining about the delivery date in the article.
Your dates on the other hand, is what doesn't make sense, so sure, explain away, how the time frame in your comment made any sense

Because with negotiation, some aircrafts already on the production line can be diverted. It happens a lot with the agreement of the original recipient i.e Afghanistan. They already have quite a few on the ground. The rest would have to come through the normal process, hence the time line I gave. That is my personal opinion.

Sizzorkay:
Yes sir,
Perhaps you can explain that, I'm not clear on that at all. wow

Contract to be completed 2014. Deliveries will begin 2019/2020 and the final aircraft will be delivered in 2014 The heck is that?

Go and look at contracts around the world. The Egyptians ordered the Rafale some years back. They got a few aircrafts within about 2 years because they were diverted from aircrafts being built for France.

Check the Brazilian orders for the Mi-35M and Caracal and see the delivery time table. I can go on.

It is easy to try and mock someone. Contract completion means all aspects of the order will be completed by 2024 i.e. aircrafts, ammo, infrastructure, ground based equipment etc.

If you are not not clear about anything @Sizzorkay, just ask.

Sizzorkay:
what are you talking about? 2014? Delivery will begin in 2019/2020 and final aircraft will be delivered in 2014?
Anyways, article says 2024, by then we'd be fighting BH grandkids lol

There is a current production line in Florida producing Tucano for Afghanistan. There is no reason an expedited delivery in roughly 2020 isn't possible for a couple Or so aircrafts. Or do you think they are produced enmasse? Deliveries for other countries have to be factored in and NAF will have to wait their turn in the production line.

foxtrot101:
https://dod.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract-View/Article/1700404/
Delivery date 2024

Contract to be completed 2024. Deliveries will begin 2019/2020 and the final aircraft will be delivered in 2024. Roughly 3 a year.