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One word for you.We are in 21st century where genetics have been mapped.Quit relying on oral stories.Africa was divided by Sahara which stretches across africa and tse tse fly belt.Bantus couldnt move north without adopting pastoralism and Northern Africa could not cross the tse tse fly belt with their cattle.There is little evidence bantus ever were north or were cattle keepers..their lactose intolerance is dead give away.Sahara and tse tse fly belt divide Africa in nearly everything..culture, language, genetics

TayserMahiri:
Its not that straightforward. Do you know the name Bantu appears in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics? You'll find that virtually all Bantu speakers have an oral tradition that asserts they migrated from the North. You'd be insane to imagine that all Bantu peoples conspired to provide one consistent fake story to fool the world.

This site can give some insight, including that Nilotic Kalenjins were a military clan of Egypt

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=40739

Here, Bantu in Egyptian hieroglyphic script.

http://www.kaa-umati.co.uk/Bantu%20in%20Ancient%20Egypt.htm

Ultimately, one is to use their mental faculties to deduce what is believable and what is not. For me, the Niger - Congo origin hypothesis is likely correct but strictly as far as 'origin' goes. Beyond that, it limits the possibilities that the migration took an elliptical route from the central point. Obviously as some Watus were cutting through the dense forests eastwards and southwards, which btw took a very very long time, others were using easier routes in a north-easterly direction, helped by the holocene and the fact that the Sahara was not so extreme to the south by then as now. Thats how humans operate. People are rarely ever unanimous. Some groups would easily head straight north-east to the halfway point of the Nile River, whose name is recorded as Iteru in Ancient Egyptian language (very Bantoid sounding). The Nile itself used to pass through Libya at some point before it was pirated by a river that is now the northern Nile, which is what we know today. It used to curve westwards to Libya but its not exactly clear when it was fully swallowed and 'straightened'. So, the idea that all Bantus moved east-southwards ignores a lot of factors and over considers others like the impact of the Sahara, and that those folks were also in competition and rivalry over resources, and they were multiplying insanely fast. So, all moving in one direction is not so plausible. More plausible is to expect some radiation from the central point, with exception of DIRECT north, due, of course, to the Sahara. Do you know its actually possible that most of the first groups moved east and north east, avoiding the insanely dense impenetrable forest and then redistributed to their current locations from the north east and east? i.e southwards and westwards. Thats what all of the oral traditions suggest. And as I told you, its not likely that all Bantu peoples decided to fool the world by creating one unanimous fake story from Kenya all the way to South africa and central and west africa. That would have to be the most extensive lie ever conjured, requiring a lot of logistics and cooperation.

Kikuyu, you engage in hopeless pseudo history and science something that may excite conspiracy theorist like you .Certainly the world has changed the last 60 billion years of existence and definitely all humans are related.That bantus were in up north and left without any traces is laughable.Maybe youre talking pre bantus.The days when lake chad was huge and habitable and neighbouring Nubia $ related. Otherwise Bantus I am talking about dispersed either from Cameroon..or less convincing theory Congo Kisangani area..clearing forested areas with iron tools and mainly planting yams $ bananas..all way the down to zulus and up north as far as Kenya merus and as far west as Nigeria

There are no bantus in supra sahara..and if bantus were ever in the north..there would be enough evidence left over including pockets of bantus in here and there.The were two great dividers in Africa..the sahara desert and the tse tse fly belt..both meant bantus as farmers couldnt cross to supra sahara and cattle herding north couldnt cross the tse tse fly belt to sub-sahara except in few places in TZ where likes of Hereros $ few nilotes & cushites cross the belts & found some pastures free from tsetsefly

TayserMahiri:


You have a point. Bantus might as well have been as far north as Egypt then descended south. Among the Swazis, their Migration myth is that they came from the Embu area of Kenya. So if we can work up that displacement you can see that the Bantus that are currently northest like the ones in Kenya and UG might have been way farther up. Actually Im utterly convinced at least the Bantus in Kenya came from regions upper north with many reasons. However, what you need to understand is that so long as you are investigating Bantu migration, deserts were very unlikely migratory routes. Bantus werent made for that. So the idea of Bantus having crossed over to Asia via the Sahara (which was still dry back 3000 yrs ago), then crossing back again via the same desert to start the trek south is asking abit too much from farmers. Only a few Bantus are known to survive in the desert, in the Kalahari, the Tswana, Kgalagadi and Herero. And this was a subsequent adaptation, not the de facto setting. The only Bantus who could have crossed did so earlier before the Sahara dried up and that can explain a lot of the lexical similarities with Chinese and other peoples in Asia.

NUBIANS ARE STILL BLACK

mtisTheQubit:
hard for some folks to believe that the Nubians (who were black ) at one time were once pharaohs

That is why bantu migration happen after the iron age - the discovery of Iron smelting by Bantus - gave them the tools to hack through not only Congo - but all other forests including for Kikuyus Abederes and Mt Kenya forest. Bantus didn't just cross the congo - they settled right in congo forest. They were not in hurry - like those refugees - they moved in period that is thousand if not cent uries.

The most consistent theory of origin of modern day bantus - is border of Cameroon & Nigeria. For Cushites - it in present day Ethiopia and for Nilotes the Sudan.

kikuyu1:
AFRICANS COULD LEAVE THE SAME REGION SET UP A KINGDOM TWENTY THOUSANDS KILOMETRES AWAY YET WAIT ANOTHER THOUSAND YEARS TO MOVE A MERE 2 THOUSAND KM SOUTH?
Also,do you have any idea what an obstacle the DRC jungle really is? Do you have any idea just how difficult thick jungle walking is? An uncle was in N Angola late 90s with the UN when 2 separate parties of Hutu refugees stumbled across the border from the E DRC. IIRC,the first consisted of just over 60 adults and juveniles,all that remained of over 200 who began 6 months previous. [/b]Exhaustion,dehydration,disease and animal attacks took the rest. [b]One woman and baby were killed by safari ants!
Another party reached Gabon after a years trek with similar casualties-yet somehow the jungle which ofc was at least thrice as large and denser 2000 years ago was a highway for Bantus who never had anything to do with Nubia,Kush,AE,Axum

That is why bantu migration happen after the iron age - the discovery of Iron smelting by Bantus - gave them the tools to hack through not only Congo - but all other forests including for Kikuyus Abederes and Mt Kenya forest. Bantus didn't just cross the congo - they settled right in congo forest. They were not in hurry - like those refugees - they moved in period that is thousand if not centuries.

kikuyu1:
AFRICANS COULD LEAVE THE SAME REGION SET UP A KINGDOM TWENTY THOUSANDS KILOMETRES AWAY YET WAIT ANOTHER THOUSAND YEARS TO MOVE A MERE 2 THOUSAND KM SOUTH?
Also,do you have any idea what an obstacle the DRC jungle really is? Do you have any idea just how difficult thick jungle walking is? An uncle was in N Angola late 90s with the UN when 2 separate parties of Hutu refugees stumbled across the border from the E DRC. IIRC,the first consisted of just over 60 adults and juveniles,all that remained of over 200 who began 6 months previous. [/b]Exhaustion,dehydration,disease and animal attacks took the rest. [b]One woman and baby were killed by safari ants!
Another party reached Gabon after a years trek with similar casualties-yet somehow the jungle which ofc was at least thrice as large and denser 2000 years ago was a highway for Bantus who never had anything to do with Nubia,Kush,AE,Axum

Cushitic blood in Kikuyus mostly came from maasai and dorobos.At least 2 of 3 maasai have cushitic blood.Maasai culture and language is also heavily influenced by afro asiatic.The same is true of kalenjin, samburus and the likes

TayserMahiri:
The cushitic blood had an effect on their phenotype compared to more purer Bantu breeds. You cant deny that.

ABSOLUTELY

kevomtaani:
Absolute balderdash.

I have clearly broken down how we got the cushitic influence in our DNA this is not only specific for Kikuyu but also kamba taita meru embu and very many other bantu tribes in Tanzania, Congo, Rwanda and Burundi all of this is because there were already existing cushitic groups living there already. This nonsense of a lost tribe that has ancient scrolls is plain stupid this is what Europeans used to trick tutsi lemba and many other groups including the fulani to separate them from forming unions with other tribes and made it easy to conquer . In Africa many groups existed before the bantu expansion, cushites, nilotes and pygmys were present in e.Africa and s.Africa we are simply mixed people any other historical shit should be treated with the contempt that it deserves

Niger congo are closely related to nilo saharan and afro asiatic...but we are talking many thousands years...and all humans are also related

kikuyu1:
Rvp2018,I've all along insisted Kyukes are a hybrid including Omotic,bantu and Kushite. I showed the link showing our Hamer and Arbore cousins and kevomtaani gave his own personal DNA match showing Bantu,Somali and Maasai,in that order. The story of human history is never as tidy as linguistic,cultural or ethnic affiliations would have us believe:especially that Cameroon migration story.
Fyi,the first Sumerians are known to have used bantu pre fixes 4000 years ago-were we all in the Cameroonian jungle at this time,really?


https://worldhistoryandanthropology..com/2014/02/what-race-were-ancient-persians-part-7.html

I've always known you to insist on sources. These are mine-simple convince me otherwise.

FAKE HISTORY.All bantus migrated from Cameroon as yam producing farmers settling in areas with lots of rain and speaking the same language..which later split into current modern bantu language.Of course they intermarried and assimilated along the way but major stock of kikuyu is a close cousin of Yoruba and Igbo of Nigeria.The dna of language, crops, animal and people tell their story.Pick kikuyu yam or arrow root and do a dna...and it takes your back to Cameroon.The cushitic blood is so minimal its had no real influence on present kikuyus who remain as bantu as any.Maa and Kalenjin are at most half cushitic half nilotic.

kikuyu2:
There was a a migration from N Ethio,specifically Axum in the 1200s when a war broke out between Q Yudits' Jewish forces who invaded the Christian Zagwe forces. The story goes the survivors migrated here with the scrolls (managi)which were hidden on Mt. Kenya. Also there is a path on the north face of the mountain called the Abyssianian way,njera ya Baci.
I gave evidence of S Ethio Omotic,the related Hamer and Arbore I posted not Oromo or Kushite DNA.

Youre about correct.The first people in kenya were aboriginal khoisan who spoke click sounds like you find in south africa.The next wave of migration was proto cushites and kalenjin about 2000yrs ago...just before the arrival of christianity in northern.They were agro pastoral.Pure nomadism hadnt been invented.Mainly growing eulisine millet and keeping zebus.They assimilated the aboriginals..learnt honey culture from them.Kenya for next 1000yrs was to remain somalis, borana,kalenjin and aboriginals.The next wave of immigrants were bantus moving from TZ northwards and eastward from Uganda hacking thro forest that were mainly home for dorobos for honey and hunting with newly discovered iron tool and turning them into farmlands.Other tribes around bantu quickly learnt by assimilating bantu iron smith how to forge iron.The maasai and related ateker grp with new spears in next 200yrs would spear their way from south sudan to the tip of Malawi sending everyone scampering.They meet their match from ngonis..also spearing their way northwards.The maasai would remain kenya top dogs with largest population..land stretching from mt elgon to few kilometers from mombasa for next 500yrs plus..until late 19th century when after disastrous civil war ..neigbouring tribes started kicking them.Luos arrived about 500yrs ago with Suba checking very recently.

kevomtaani:
Please do not post misleading information there is no Ethiopian Jewish DNA In kikuyus what you have is Cushitic DNA from people who lived in the area occupied by kikuyus. The people who lived here were called dorobo or ndorobo which is a term used by maa peoples as a name for someone with no cattle. The ndorobo are an admixture of multiple groups and tribes. You will get nilote ndorobo and cushite ndorobo even pygmys were present in the greater mount Kenya region including coastal areas. The Kikuyu easily conquered this tribe by intermarriage and also by war they would kill off the men and take their women and children. Actually all bantu tribes in this area did this successfully until the maa were affected and reacted all tribes in this region feared the maa until the Kikuyu subdued them just before the arrival of the white man circa 1850-1870. This battle took place nearly everywhere where kikuyus have settled especially areas with maa names like nyeri, nyahururu and naivasha. Another major battle that took place was also in kiambu which literally translates to a place of screams.

LUO adopted and intermarried with many bantus..the last major one are the abasubas who are caught midway..so much the kenya luo is half nilote and half bantu..compared to say Sudanese luos

TayserMahiri:
Luos are 50 % Bantu? Never heard that one. Btw, aside from Kikuyu1, every other Kikuyu is a proud Bantu, the cushitic admixture notwithstanding. Dont confuse one guy's opinion with a whole community.

The response that tries to pass a bantu community for cushites.All tribes have admixtures.Kenya luo are 50% bantus..and 50% nilotic.Luhyas are like tusti ..mainly bantus with small nilotic and cushtic blood.Kikuyus are 75% bantus..that is predominantly bantu people like any youd find in Africa.
About 15% are nilotic and another 10% cushtic.A kenyan luo is closer to a kikuyu than a somali.There is nothing special in being a somali or hausa or oromo.The slightly Caucasian features dont make them any better...majority remain primitive cattle herding nomads..and if this inspiration for you and some tusti then there is a problem.Bantu dramatic expansion thro Africa should make you prouder than kush stories..bantus invented the hoes and the matchet that tamed Africa forests and allowed their expansion from cameroon & nigeria to most of central, eastern and southern Africa.The zulus are proudly bantu people, the bugandas and so should the kikuyus.Kiswahili a bantu language will eventually unite sub sahara africa thanks to great bantu migrations

kikuyu1:
My,my,my! You've really misunderstood me-anyway,no harm no foul. I just gave TayserMahiri the relevant response.

Kikuyu, What the obsession of cushitic or semitic really all about.All tribes have varying shades of admixtures as you would expect.Kikuyus, hutus and tusti are bantus with admixtures of aboroginal khoisans,nilotes and cushites.The cushitic admixture is very minimal..say compared to Maa or Kalenjin or many nilotes who lived with cushites for thousands if not million of year.In kenya alone kalenjin lived with khoisans and cushites for 1000 years before the arrival of bantus.In fact the so called nilo hamitic not only share about half to three quarters dna..at least y chromosome although mtdna differs a lot..they share about the same % of cognate words, culture or food or name it..but you dont see the obsession to appear like cushites are some special breed people.Cushites including fulanis or hausa are some of most primitive nomads.The same nonsense is seen in somalis and some ethiopeans who try to pass themselves as arabic or isreals.Eugenics is really old schools..all humans are equal ..be they pygmies of congo, tutsi of rwanda, kikuyu of kenya, somalis and name them.The differences are so minimal its not worth a debate...what make tribes or nation great is how progressive and adaptable they are..not past glories of ancient egypt, kush or name it...but contemporary conquest of sciences, high quality of life and wellbeing

....more shocking...
“In any case, the IGR on the average is not more than eight per cent of the states’ total revenue except for Lagos State. In essence, the non-inclusion of the IGR may not distort the result of the analysis.

Those are crazy figures...
The states with the highest debt to gross revenue ratios were Lagos (670.42 per cent), Osun (539.25 per cent), Cross River (486.49 per cent), Plateau (342.01 per cent), Oyo (339.56 per cent), Ekiti (339.34 per cent), Ogun (329.47 per cent), Kaduna (297.26 per cent) and Imo (292.82 per cent).

Others were Edo (270.8 per cent), Adamawa (261.96 per cent), Delta (259.63 per cent), Bauchi (250.75 per cent), Nasarawa (250.36 per cent), Kogi (221.92 per cent), Enugu (207.49 per cent), Zamfara (204.91 per cent), and Kano (202.61 per cent).

Nairobi beautfication

Nairobi has a long way to get to Kigali - but it's taking baby steps under gov Mike Sonko

Great read from Bill Gates - he nails Nigeria problem.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/sep/18/the-african-youth-boom-whats-worrying-bill-gates
Africa, he always stresses, is not one country. Of its 54 nations, many are leaping ahead, Ghana, Botswana and Rwanda among them. Those causing concern are the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Nigeria. On his recent visit he warned Nigerians against the country’s growing inequality, where oil wealth for a few is leaving millions behind. The foundation has spent $1bn so far on Nigeria. He says: “Their health system is worse than poorer countries, their agricultural advice largely broken down.” Government resources are low because “their level of taxation is one of the lowest in the world”.

He sounds puzzled: “You would think politicians would compete on the basis of, ‘Hey, I’m going to run a primary health system really well, I’m going to get vaccination coverage up, I’m going to save lives …’ But other issues about religion and ethnicity come to the fore.”

I would add that in addition to leveraging esp the very cheap Chinese debt (about half of it normally concenssional or as competitive as IMF/WB loans),floating more euro-bond (this new thing in most African countries), floating more domestic debts (also sorted), raising taxes, the gov should think about more privatizations (here Kenya's Jubilee have done zero - Kibaki did a lot here & manage to raise lots of money) - ultimately we need public investment - to match or even exceed private investment - and that is how Ethiopia, China and many countries have managed to grow.

Kenya has grown mostly from private investment - from 12B in 2002 - to now 88B - and now we need to match it with public investment in roads, railways, water & sewage, electricity and ports (sea & air) -

In short in addition to borrowing - and collecting more taxes (by somehow sealing loopholes & graft) - we really need to start thinking of ramping up privitasation - Kenya gov for example owns 35% of Safaricom - at nearly 12B dollars valuation - that can easily earn gov 4B dollar!!! - and there many companies, hotels, lands, and such investments that gov has no business being there.So yes divest from business that private sector can do - and focus on infrastructure (roads - we are still around 15% of tarmac/paved roads compared to entire road network!!) +social services (universal education+health care+housing)+gov bureaucracy & law&order(justice system).

I think debt is sorted - by Chinese & Eurobond - what is needed is more privatization - sealing tax loopholes -- this will increase both private and public investment - and the economy will grow at desired rates of 7%!!! - and we can make poverty history in one generation.

If in last generation (15yrs) - we've grown the economy 7times - there is no reason why by 2033 - our economy won't be 7 times - 600B - we just have to consistently keep growing at 6-7% for another decade and half. And this will only be possible - if gov leverage - and invest huge amounts in building infrastructure, social & gov services. In the meantime it may be worth selling portion of assets - Safaricom, KAA, KPA, Kenya Pipeline, National Oil, KCB and name them - to inject private sector efficiency in and also build the equity market.

kikuyu1:
The truth of the matter is we're wayyyy less poor than we were 5 or 10 yrs back but our only option is to trade debt for development. Between 2002 when Moi left and now our GDP per capita was 400$ and now 2000$. All stats point to this and I won't go over it again. The KRA collects 18% of this,frankly a little on the low side. Where does that leave us? We can stumble along delaying the construction of much needed GDP growth enablers or bite the bullet and take the plunge-yes,THERE ARE VERY REAL RISKS,but if you want to improve your peoples lives I know what I'd chose.
Its too easy to criticise our leaders but their hands are tied by the fact that we're too poor presently to do otherwise. Look at Ghana!


https://www.zambianobserver.com/ghana-looking-to-borrow-50bn-from-china-and-pay-over-100-years/

That's what I'd do! Even if you must repay 100 bn even 150$ after a half century its worth it. Rvp2018,kuja utueleze,kidogo!

The fruits of devolution. We may see 47 cities appearing soon. Hopefully our devolution doesn't become as dysfunctional as Nigeria - where everyone is sitting waiting for federal allocation - and federal gov is also sitting waiting for Royal Shell to sell oil and give them peanuts.

nickyizzle:
1st pic is kusyombunguo hotel in wote town... other photos are of Machakos

We just turned on the largest Wind farm in Africa - Lake Turkana Wind Power(300MW) - near the border with Ethiopia - with power snaking it's way to main grid near Nairobi. The same line will also help evacuate Ethiopea power that we intend to import.
https://i.imgur.com/3OoQg5gh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ieGuWVdh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YAev2SGh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YLvHwW9h.jpg

Now I understand why he is mostly out of depth.

TayserMahiri:
Tanzanians have been lying that Magufool schooled in Stanford? My goodness! The man schooled in Uni of Dar as a teacher of Chem and Maths and later mastered the same from the same uni which is why Tanzanians cheerfully call him Doctor and scientist!!! I actually thought the fella is a real doctor. Nkt. He's a teacher!

Reading his bio he's close buddy to prophet TB (Tuberculosis?) Joshua from Naija. These twins!

Nope. And he supposedly went to Stanford.

kikuyu1:
Btw,remember I told you recently Magufuli is actually a mental case? Really;do we need more proof!?

Very typical of TZ leadership. That is why TZ remain a retrogressive backwater. Meanwhile Kenya which has been the champion of family planning since 1960s will soon start reaping the fruits. As of last major household survey in 2015-2016 -We now have more 5-10yrs olds compared to 0-4 yr olds. This is probably the first time it is happening in KE in our recorded history. Also me-think we are the first to achieve this in SSA. That is what is called demographic dividend and in 10-15yrs will propel kenya economy forward.

mtis:
John Magufuli calls for end to birth control

Tanzania's President John Magufuli has urged women to stop taking birth control pills, saying the country needs more people.

"Women can now give up contraceptive methods," Mr Magufuli said.



Opposition MP Cecil Mwambe has criticised the comments, saying they contradicted the country's health policy.

Tanzania has a population of around 53 million people, with 49% of them living on less than $2 (£1.50) a day.

On average, a woman in Tanzania has more than five children, among the highest rates in the world.

The day after Mr Magufuli's comments, speaker of parliament Job Ndugai banned female lawmakers from wearing fake nails and eye-lashes in parliament.

Go go Magufuli

Why are you angry this early.Were you deported to the hell hole that is your country.I know even after being deported youll attempt to sneak in several times.Kenya is your Europe.We welcome nigerians to come visit,invest, study, live and generally see how a country without any mineral can get it together by sheer hardwork and igneuity.Youre entitled to 1 month visa on arrival.You can even attempt to colonize us while at it

Iwantslavesgone:
Keel on living in stupidity you massais. We have started colonizing your useless white places

We just need to fill the gaps in lower class housing by tapping chinese to build real cheap houses and upgrade the slums.The middle $ upper class in Nairobi are sorted

kikuyu1:
I don't normally post pix but you prove our urbanisation and real estate growth ARE REAL!! Thanks.

Nairobi Metro - Syokimau - Adjacent to JKIA Airport - lies this middle & low middle class estate - within Machakos county
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Nairobi Metro - Kiambu - Kiambu town - Nairobi urban brawl now extend far beyond the HQ of Kiambu county. Lying north of Nairobi with some of best climate - Kiambu has some world class residence

Coffee farms giving way to Nairobi Metro
Fourways Junction Kiambu
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Meadow Kiambu
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EdenVille Kiambu
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/image/view/-/4069614/medRes/1736277/-/maxw/960/-/4cysp8/-/eden.jpg

Nairobi Metro - Ngong - lying to West of Nairobi - seperated from word class karen estate by Ngong forest - in the beautiful cold hills of Ngong - is one of Nairobi formest bedrooms - Ngong - kajiado county.

Some estate of Ngong
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Kiambu, Limuru - formerly coffee and tea farms - Nairobi urban brawl has spread to more than half of Kiambu county - and sadly with it - our world famed coffee beans have drastically reduced.
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