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Juliusmalema:
You see, Edo and Yorubas has same name for cat as Ologbo.


Ndigbo calls it Nwonogbo........ Totally different.

History don't lie. Bini and Yorubas should stop fighting reality. You all are one blood.

Benin and Igbo have the same name for chicken or fowl. There are many other words Benin share with Igbo including the 4 market days. History don't lie and according to your logic Benin and Igbo should be one blood.

Both Benin and Yoruba have told you they are not related but you are still fixated with your wishful thinking. Is there anything you intend to gain.

Olu317:
I salute your courage over subduing the rants of this Edo lad . It is pathethic reading each statement from these egocentric Binis whose monarchial structure came to existence via Yorubaland's prince ,who became Ooni later in life.

Benin Palace does not agree that the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba descendant, rather, what the Benin Palace says is that the Ooni is a Benin descendant.

Ogungbemi01:
Stop attacking our people here. Our decision is final. You claimed that Itsekiri and Binis are related yet you guys are appointing enogie in Ologbo, Kolokolo and Aja-oki. You even set up and arrested the Iyatsere of Warri Kingdom because he rejected your enogie. The truth is that you can't mix water and kerosene. Come in our language is "Wa" while come in Bini language is "Lare" Can't you see the variance? Are they related in anyway?

Why are you Yoruba guys full of misinformation, you guys just lie shamelessly.

The Iyase was arrested for the murder of another Itsekiri man, his fellow Itsekiri accomplices confessed that he sent them. He was in police custody for two months before he was granted bail, all these are on YouTube. ITV covered the matter extensively and the murdered Itsekiri also did a video shortly before he was killed that the Iyase of Warri had threatened his life.

The Iyase accomplices lead the police to the shallow grave they buried guy, his corpse was latter recovered by same people and throw into nearby lake on the alleged instructions of the Iyase of Warri, the case is still on.

The Iyase arrest had nothing to do with the Enogie of Ologbo.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPmKBsNR8xY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFdQtpujSw

gregyboy:
TAO11 is d one dragging their legs out, she cant still believe her lies are ending before her face, but instead to bow down she his still fighting it,

Pushing are kinsmen no choice but give her their support


One of our purpose has been archived on nairaland thanks to the covid lockdown it made history for us, our children wont be bother about the controversy anymore


Our task now is to find the origin of benin, how benin came to exist that is my main goal right now

You are right, to begin researching Benin history will require enormous time, resources, energy and dedication because the start point which should be the historical archives of early eyewitness Europeans were not written in English, so a lot of translation from various European languages to English will be required for first hand historical accounts of early Benin.

Fortunately Benin/Edo people are now all over Europe and can understand and speak almost all European languages, so collaboration is going to be needed from interested Edos in European countries that archives early Benin history.

This early eyewitness written accounts will help in separating fairytales from real history.

The other aspect of Benin history is the art works that contain historical accounts of different era, this art works that are scattered across the world carry bits of Benin history, they have to be located and study for the historical information they contain.

Then at the local level, the history of various communities that claim Benin descent also have to be examined to see what aspects of Benin history they took with them when they left Benin.

The study of Benin history is so vast and broad that attempting to accomplish it just by limiting it to Benin city or Edo state will just be scratching the surface.

The good thing is Benin history is insulated from both internal and external revisionist because it was documented for more than 400 years before British invasion.

Anybody writing nonsense stories about the Benin empire of pre 1897, should be requested to supply eyewitness historical accounts to support the era they are writing about because Benin history is not made up stories, it was written.

gregyboy:
Giving dem hot hot, sufrey majedem nor go assassinate you...

They have all gone quiet because it's very difficult to fight the truth.

All I read here are the Yorubas displaying their usual ignorance of history.

During the creation of Edo and Delta from old Bendel state, the then olu of Warri tried to lobby the Oba of Benin for Warri to be part of Edo state, one of the emissaries that was sent to Benin is chief Lori Ogbebor, the Itsekiris around here should know who Lori Ogbebor is.

According to chief Ogbebor, some Edo people didn't like the idea and lobbied the Oba of Benin against it for reasons that wasn't disclosed.

When all the traditional rulers and notable politicians met with then president Babangida, the Oba told the president that Warri should remain in the yet to be created Delta state.

The Olu of Warri remains of Benin origin irrespective of where the mother of the new Olu comes from.

The Olu elect works for a Benin billionaire, who he married his daughter and the present oba of Benin as heir apparent was the royal father of the day during his traditional marriage in Benin city few years ago. The Olu elect has Benin sympathy written all over his selection.

macof:
Goes to show that all this is subject to sentiments for you.
TAO11 is hitting with facts and narratives proven to be traditional accounts to burst new age revisionism. I don't see how it is about personal issues.
When you are told Oba of Lagos is only distantly connected to Bini by ologun kutere 's (the current dynasty) mother being the daughter of Ado, Ado whose mother (not father) was Bini...you best believe it because that's the Awori account

Which facts, facts that were created by revisionist, are you even aware that Benin was already well established in Lagos as early as 1602? An eyewitness historical accounts from a Dutchman that visited Lagos in 1602 saw the place occupied by Benin army and their commanders who sent daily reports back to the Oba of Benin.

I am not interested in fairytales by revisionists because anyone can write any nonsense. Show me eyewitness historical accounts of what your are claiming.

Did you not listen to what the Oba of Lagos said himself, that the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba of Benin, who was sent to Lagos by oba of Benin? Did you not hear the Oba of Lagos song about how their forefather was born in Benin to the king. Did you hear anything about female in that video.

Listen to the video again incase you missed it before.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFYH3GAmBk

Fezz:
Nicely said.. you have raised good points here. I just wonder how the foreigners never documented the Benin/ife relationship for a duration of 400 years. Does it mean that emissaries between the supposed ife Kingdom and the great Benin empire didn't visit eachother during that span of 400 years?. That is a long time of blank history and it's quite suspicious.

It is obvious the yoruba revisionists started their conspiracy after the colonial masters took over the land (1897) to alter history. Thanks to the Portuguese, if not they would have succeeded in fabricating history.

Benin/Ife connection was created in the 1800s, there wasn't such relationship before then, that's why no one can back it up earlier than the 1800s.

The Europeans have been documenting Benin history since the 1400s, by the 1600s the Roman catholic church set up a mission in Benin city and priests were sent down, from the 1600s to 1799, every aspect of Benin kingdom/empire were documented by both Roman Catholic priests and other Europeans who visited and traded with Benin.

Everyone Benin encountered including wars fault were documented, the death of obas and noble men and women were documented, the rituals, culture, religion, description of Benin city, the people etc were all written about, but no mention of Ife, Oduduwa or Oranmiyan.

I doubt if the Yoruba themselves can prove the existence of Oduduwa beyond/earlier than the 1800s.

Oduduwa himself was a myth created in the 1800s, I challenge the Yorubas to show us any evidence before 1799 that talk about Oduduwa as a real person.

Numerous nonsense has been written since the 1800s in the name of history.

Anyone that is interested in history has to go earlier than the 1800s and study eyewitness historical accounts of Nigeria, west Africa and Africa.

Nigeria history of various tribes falls into two categories, pre-1800s eyewitness written accounts and post 1800s mostly fairytales which was written by the first educated Nigerians and some lazy Europeans who based their writings on latter day fairytales and were too lazy to do their proper research into archival materials of pre 1800s Nigeria eyewitness historical accounts.

Frauds like TAO11 mostly qoute and cite their sources to support their lies, fallacies, fairytales and fabrications from the post 1800s lies. They hardly cite or qoute from earlier than 1800s to support their lies.

Everyone should be guided when they see citations from post 1800s talking about historical events that supposed or claimed to have happen earlier than 1800s. If you want the authentic history of pre 1800s Nigeria, they were documented by eyewitnesses of that time, seek for their materials and read their first hand accounts not latterday manipulations.

1. TAO11 told us the Oba of Benin used to be buried in Ife pre 1800s, I have asked for the pre 1800s accounts that said so, she is yet to provide it.

2. TAO11 is repeating the lies that Benin hard relationship with Ife pre-1800s, I have severally requested for source material pre 1800s to support his/her claim, she can't find any pre 1800s historical accounts to support her lies.

3. TAO11 told us that the first Oba of Lagos was an Isheri commoner, this is contrary to the account of Oba of Lagos himself who said his ancestors was a Benin prince and eyewitness historical accounts of Lagos in 1603 is in support of Oba of Lagos position. TAO11 is yet to provide pre 1800s historical accounts to support her Isheri man.

4. TAO11 told us Oyo used to be an empire pre 1800s, she is yet to show us the pre 1800s eyewitness historical accounts to support her fairytale and fictional Oyo empire that didn't even have a European visitor until 1826, 400 years after Benin had her first European encounter.

5. TAO11 told us Ife was more than a village and the cradle of Yoruba culture that was so advanced in artworks that they taught Benin the skills in ancient times, I have requested for her pre-1800s sources but she can't provide any to support her lies.

TAO11 be warned that if you must tell a lie avoid pre 1800s Nigeria history because that era was documented and the Benin of 1400s to 1799 was particularly well documented.

Henceforth, concentrate your lies in post 1800s Nigeria because each time you dabble into pre 1800s Nigeria history, you will be requested for eyewitness sources from that period and nothing less will be accepted.

Don't come back to tell us it wasn't you that made these claims initially and that you are just repeating the lies told by those before you. It has been brought to your notice that all these claims are lies, he who makes a claim most be ready to back it up with eyewitness evidence.

You just can't wake up in 2021 and start telling us some bullshit stories and claim they happen in 1550 without eyewitness historical evidence to back them up.

Your lies are for those with baby brains not matured minds like ours.

Juliusmalema:
I can't use a derogatory words against them because the documentary didn't. The documentary states clearly that though a friction exist that doesn't mean the people are divided.

The Benin have told you times without numbers that they are not Yoruba, TAO11 has now also told you that Edo people are not Yoruba. This we both agree on and hope you learn from this. As for the Yoruba trying to steal the Oba of Benin since the late 1800s, we the Benin are equal to the task.

The Yoruba can't just wake up in the 1800s and started writing books on how to steal the Oba of Benin as soon as they knew how to read and write, when more than 400 years of documented Benin history says otherwise.

The issue is Yoruba is trying to steal the Benin monarchy to claim every other tribes that claim Benin ancestry and we are resisting them with Benin pre colonial historical archives.

The issue is purely between a thief and the owner.

TAO11:
Yorubas are people with Yoruba language and Yoruba culture.

Edos (of course including the Bini subgroup) are people with Edo language and Edo culture.

The fact that Yorubas came all the way from Ife to rule over the Binis (till date) doesn’t make the Binis one of us.

Their kings however are one of us. But the people over whom they rule remain Binis.

Cheers!

If you truly believe the king is one of you, you wouldn't have any problem with the claim by his son, the Oba of Lagos, that the Oba of Benin is his father.

Even you clever by half liar don't even believe your own lies. If you believe your lies of Oba of Benin being Yoruba, you wouldn't have issues with the claim by Oba of Lagos that his father is the Oba of Benin, but because you know that the Oba of Benin is not Yoruba, you have to look for an Isheri commoner as the first Oba of Lagos and try to deny the Benin ownership of Lagos monarchy.

If you sincerely believe that the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man, then by extension the Oba of Lagos whose father is oba of Benin, will also be a Yoruba man through his father and I don't see any reason why you will have any problem with that but you have issues with oba of Benin being the father of Oba of Lagos because you know that the Oba of Benin is not Yoruba.

Can you see how you expose your own lies.

Yoruba 1800s fabrications of Benin history will not hold water because documented Benin history pre 1800s disagree with your fabrications.

We are still waiting for were Ife was mentioned in Benin history books pre 1800s. Or where Benin was mentioned in Ife history books pre 1800s, sorry for the last question, I forgot Ife history haven't started then, even your fictional Oyo empire wasn't visited by the white man until 1826.

Baby kingdom trying to annexed their ancestors that is more than 400 years older than them.

Juliusmalema:
Yawns

Argue with those u are related to.

Oguta people of Imo state claim Benin ancestry. See the link for video of their history below. No matter your denial Benin is everywhere in Igbo land.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bbc.com/igbo/afirika-48565792&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiPgLLynb7tAhXI2qQKHaWeBrQQFjAOegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3am-fbxDHnMAVrzuqkDP9h

Juliusmalema:
Go and argue your history we Tao11, we have nothing, no single fallacy to debate with you.

I am not surprised because I already predicted it that you will call what Obi of Onitsha said fallacy just like your friend TAO11 called the Oba of Lagos a liar.

Juliusmalema:
Mr I am done with you. I don't debate fallacy or muzzle what was clear Igwe Achebe said.

Better listen clearly to what he said.

What is there to understand, the Obi said the Onitsha people left Ife to Benin then to their present location. That made Igbo intertwined with Benin and Yoruba. When Zik said his ancestors were from the royal household of Benin, some of you were full of insult for the most successful politician and only president from the east, now that the Obi of Onitsha have said similar thing, you are too ashamed to debate, you should have just remained quiet and read from the sidelines instead of dabbling into debates like this knowing full well that the Benin are armed to the teeth with history of every region of Nigeria.

Now you have been brought face to face with your Obi for your history lecture, enjoy it.

Juliusmalema:
I am done with you. I don't debate fallacy or muzzle what was clear Igwe Achebe said.

There is no fallacy here, the Obi says the Onitsha people are intertwined with Benin and Yoruba.

Juliusmalema:
You dream alot and that's the reason you can't face your rival.

Igbos have no business been n your history.


Until you become realistic then you will argue with facts unless you still like to dream.

Argue that with the Obi of Onitsha. The Obi disagrees with you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxQKyPh7I8

Juliusmalema:
I am not Yoruba please

But Yoruba and Edo history are too interwined and that's the reason of the conflict.

Even the documentary clearly states there is a minor conflict but that doesn't affect the generality of the whole history.

Why can't you guys find a common ground to merge everything into one instead of all these attacks.

There are people across southern and middle belt Nigeria that claim Benin ancestry, so Benin and these people are intertwined, there is notthing new here. There is a bit of Benin in every region in southern Nigeria and part of the middle belt.

Below is history lecture for you from the Obi of Onitsha himself. Onitsha is the most significant town in eastern Nigeria, it has Benin written all over it.

Go and learn your history first before dabbling into other people history, you hardly even know your history let alone being in a position to say Benin are Yoruba.

I won't be surprised if you come and tell us the Obi of Onitsha doesn't know what he is saying just like your friend TAO11 says the Oba of Lagos doesn't know what he was saying. The Oba of Lagos claimed his father was born in Benin to a king, TAO11 said it was lie that the first Oba of Lagos was an Isheri/Awori commoner.

You present generation claim to know more than your kings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxQKyPh7I8

TAO11:
Wait! Didn’t the Ooni actually run to the stage that day and snatched the ‘mic’ from your oba and called him a liar, while disrupting the whole proceeding? /s

I guess that was how you expected the Ooni (or the historians there seated) to express their disagreement with the Izoduwa fairy-tales of Oduduwa being from Benin.

Listen for the umpteenth time, anyone may freely choose to make any statement they please. Making the statement does not equate it to truth.

The Benin kings of today may, for example, choose to say that the clouds are made of cotton wool. He won’t be flogged simply for being ignorant. Scientist would only have a good laugh at his ignorance.

Similarly, the Benin kings of today, may choose to say that Oduduwa is from Benin. He won’t have the ‘mic’ snatched from him for saying that (at his own event for that matter). Historians and other informed folks there would only have a good laugh for embarrassing himself.

The idea that Oduduwa came from Benin was made up by some intimidated Binis in the 1970s while citing no source for their strange claim. Their claim is debunked by the decades-earlier received accounts of Benin; and historians have also passed a verdict on this fabrication by declaring it to be an interesting nonsense.

Cheers!

If the Benin Oduduwa claim was made up in the 1970s, when was the Yoruba version made up, late 1800s? If so what made the Yoruba version more authentic? Is it because it
Was the first lie told?

I have asked you to show us in the history books were Ife was mentioned in Benin history before 1800s.

The fact that the Yorubas are the first to tell lie doesn't make it true. The history books from 1400s to 1789, a period of about 400 years doesn't support your fairytales. Keep lying whilst we keep referring you to the history books.

Fezz:
Samuk, I have studied your write ups for a while now and I must admit you are one of the smartest Benin supporters in this forum. You pay attention and you study people a lot before you respond. That is an act of wisdom so keep it up.

You nailed my points. Benin city is just a fraction of the great Benin empire. It is only wise for Benin historians to know about the history of the Benin empire and all the clans within the empire and don't just focus on Edo alone.

The Yorubas best the benins in arguments not because their history is authentic but because they have studied their personal weaknesses, they have studied their opponents history and also they depend a lot onicer team work.

The benins history is so pure and genuine, but you need to have a deeper knowledge of the Benin empire as a whole and also study the Yoruba history as well because their history is flawed and very shallow. You can easily pick up errors from their history.

For example, Akka as you mentioned was the first son of pa Idu and the edo speaking tribe originated from akka and that is why till today the Urhobos call the Edo speaking people Akka. The Urhobos descended from Ihobo and they are all brothers. Other descendants of Pa Idu are efa and emehi, and their descendants are the esans, afemai etc. They all lived together as one family before they spread across the edo/delta region.

So can you see why it's good to study the pre-historic era of other clans such as the Urhobos etc because they will fill up the missing links of your history. It is true that the likes of the esans and Urhobos migrated to their present locations during internal wars or other disputes in Benin kingdom but you should realise that they migrated to those lands already inhabited by their ancestors that they were family with (efa, emehi, Ihobo)etc

The Yorubas are taking advantage of loopholes. For example, do you know that ubini was not derived from ile-ibinu as the yorubas usually say. Ubini has always been known as another name for igodomigo since the era of the ogisos. Ubini means "place of inexhaustible resources". Oranmiyan could not speak Edo language and that is why he mispronounced ile- ubini for ile-ibinu But the yorubas have hammered on that error and tried to use it to their advantage.

Thanks for your observations and kind words.

TAO11:
You are a fraud. You know you are a fraud. I know you are fraud. The world is realizing that you are a fraud.

Stop ranting.

It's very painful when you are the only one left carrying the Yoruba cross of lies. Sorry ooo, they have all left you behind.

gregyboy:
I stop wasting my time on tao11 when she stop bringing anything new to the table just old lies been recirculated again trying to convince us to belive her lies


Are brothers have all, abandoned her but she wont quit because of pride

Dont you see we have done enough damage to Yoruba history which they use to attach on benins, you dont see random people creating topic again discussing on the benin-ife myth as most people are getting enlightened on the truth

Tao is the only one left carrying the Yoruba lies, even those that used to cheer her on and insult on her behalf have all abandoned her.

Fezz:
You keep on saying "relevant evidence" can you kindly share with us proof of such evidence regarding the archeological excavation of the burial site of orun-oba-ado. We want to see the pits you are referring to. I'm sure pictures must have been taken if such excavations was done. If you can't share this relevant proof on this thread I suggest you forget about this topic and move on.

Like I said earlier, all Benin high chiefs in the royal court have denied such practice involving beheading of the great obas in the past. It's derogatory and this is the master plan of the yorubas to distort Benin history. Unfortunately for the yorubas, the benins can see right through the conspiracy and are being debunked rightfully.

There was an excavation of the so called site, only few animal bones were found and no human bones. What she is saying is that the bones must have been removed before the excavation, the question is why remove the bones and call a white archeologist to come and waste her time. What was the purpose of the the archeological exercise if it wasn't to find the prove to cement Benin/Ife relationship.

The Yoruba were looking for prove to Benin/Ife relationship, they invited a European archeologist to come to Ife to excavate a site they say Benin used to bury their Oba, the archeologist excavated the site and found no human remains but Mr/Ms is telling us that the bones must have been removed before the excavation. Who removed the bones and why remove the evidence when you are desperately looking for evidence to support your claims. It doesn't make sense.

To add insult to injury they actually created two sites, one was labelled as Male obas of Benin and the other for female Obas of Benin.

Below is the link to the description and location to both sites.

https://www.nairaland.com/1794927/ile-ife-final-rest-place-oba#24390068

TAO11:
(1) There is zero evidence that any of of the following so-called obas have anything to do with Benin kingdom:

Eweka I, Uwuakhuahen, Henmihen, Ewedo, Oguola, Edoni, Udagbedo, Ohen, Egbeka, Orobiru, Uwaifiokun, Ewuare I, Ezoti, Olua, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua, Ehengbuda, Ohuan, Ohenzae, Akenkpaye, Akengbedo, Ore-Oghene, Ewuakpe, Ozuere, Akenzua I, Eresoyen, Akengbuda, Obanosa, Ogbebo, and Osemwende

If there was any evidence, we would have found it in the European archives of Benin history from 1400s to 1800s.

No! I’m simply using your dumb fallacy (argumentum ex-silentio) against you as always.

(2) And who said the buried skulls of the late Benin kings would magically become irremovable, or even non-bio-degradable after they’ve been buried.? Lol!

You’re a great fraud as expected, because I have once educated you that the excavation yielded an important discovery which proved the burial tradition.

For the purpose of other readers, please note that the excavation revealed the relevant evidence required to prove that the tradition actually took place.

The evidence revealed is the find of a number of circular burial pits at the site of Orun-Oba-Ado in the course of the archaeological excavation.

But that’s not the whole point, the crucial information lies in the total number of circular burial pits discovered at the site.

Amazingly, the site revealed eleven (11) burial pits. This number is precisely accurate as it matches the number of buried skulls implied from the Benin tradition itself.

Cc: Christistruth00, Fezz

Stop quoting me 1979 fabrications and fables that were feed to those that regurgitated them.

Yoruba fabrications started in the 1800s, Yoruba have been trying to attached themselves into Benin history since they learned how to read and write. You will not find all these garbage in history books before literacy got to Yoruba land. Historical accounts that were documented in Yoruba land by Europeans before Yoruba themselves had the ability to read and write doesn't contain these latter day fallacies.

Yoruba history is full of fairytales and frauds.

Show me your Benin/Ife connection where it was documented before 1800s that oba of Benin were buried in Ife. Every aspect of Benin history was documented, why was this not?

The simple truth is that Yoruba have been trying to steal Benin history since the 1800s and the previous 400 years 1400s - 1799 have become their stumbling block. Just Imagine if Benin history was not documented in the previous 400 years by eyewitness Europeans in their various languages.

Yoruba should create and write their history without Benin. You guys said you had Oyo empire, write about it without mentioning Benin, you are shamelessly obsessed with Benin, were is the pride in you.

Just listen to your lies and see if it makes any sense?

You claimed the first Oba of Lagos was an Isheri man contrary to what the Oba of Lagos said himself.

The Lagos royal have a song that says their father was born in Benin and his father was a king, if you are claiming that your fiction isheri man was born in Benin according to Lagos royal song, who was the king that was his father because the song also says the father of the first Oba of Lagos was a king. Did Lagos have a king before the first Oba was sent there by the Oba of Benin?

Which king was the father of the first Oba of Lagos. The Lagos royal song says the first Oba of Lagos that was born in Benin was born to a king and not a commoner. Tell us your Yoruba king in Benin that gave birth to your fictional Isheri/Awori man.

Oba of Lagos say his forefather was the son of a king born in Benin, you are saying it's a lie that the first oba of Lagos is a son of a commoner from Isheri.

You just lie thinking your readers are dumb.

Christistruth00:
Answer. :for the same reason every third Oba of Benin was buried in Ile Ife.

Do you know why it's very difficult for anyone to just write or make an unsubstantiated claims about Benin history?

The answer is because Benin history was documented for over 400 years, 1400s to 1800s before the modern era of Yoruba and Yoruba influenced fabrications.

There is no evidence that any Oba of Benin was buried in Ife. If this was so, we would have found it in the European archives of Benin history from 1400s to 1800s.

By the 1600s the Roman catholic establishment a mission in Benin city, there were resident priests in Benin. The Catholic church have a vast archives of Benin history, they witness the death of many obas during the period from 1600s to 1800s, over two hundred years, none were ever recorded as being taken to Ife.

The so called site in Ife was excavated and no human bones were found.

Some people have made it a life mission to belittle Benin.

Benin wasn't a mighty empire yet there was no other Nigeria empire/kingdom that came close for about 400 years that Benin was in control. Not until the 1800s that any other kingdom had a voice.

Benin wasn't a mighty empire yet was the only significant and most powerful empire/kingdom the Europeans met on ground when they first arrived what latter became Nigeria.

Benin wasn't a mighty empire, yet international landmarks was named after her.

Itsekiri history says their monarchy was started by a Benin prince and it still remains so till date, the Olu's mother being Yoruba can't change that.

TAO11:
You’re a grand fraud. You and I know you’re a fraud. As such I won’t stop rubbing your fraudulent scheme all over your ugly face.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFYH3GAmBk

(Point 1) Oba Akiolu’s statement says: “... the first oba of Lagos is a male descendant of Oba of Benin ...”

(Point 2) The official recognition of who is the “first oba” always swings — in Lagos accounts — between Ashipa (father) and Ado (son).

Just as a similar recognition (of first Benin oba) always swings — in Benin accounts — between Oranmiyan (father) and Eweka (son).

(Point 3) Lagos accounts are unmistakably clear that Ashipa is an Awori noble (of Ife royal ancestry) from Isheri.

(Point 4) Oba Akiolu’s reference here to the “first Oba” is therefore by necessity in reference to Ado — Ashipa’s son.

(Point 5) Oba Akiolu’s precise words, viz. “male descendant of Oba of Benin” appears to have been carefully chosen.

He avoided saying “paternal descendant” or “patrilineal descendant” which would have meant something else.

(Point 6) Oba Akiolu’s emphasis is thus clearly on the child-descendant himself (i.e. a male descendant, i.e. a descended son).

(Point 6) Oba Akiolu’s word does NOT relate in any guise to the agent(s) through whom the child was descended — in which case the wording would have been:

“Paternal descendant,” or “patrilineal descendant”.

(Point 7) Oba Akiolu’s statement here is therefore in complete agreement with the native accounts of Lagos history.

(Point 8 ) And the traditional account of Lagos history states that:

Ashipa (the progenitor of the Lagos monarchy and father of Ado) is a Yoruba man.

(Point 9) And that Ashipa only gave birth to his son, Ado through a Benin woman. The son was born and raised in his mother’s land — Benin.

(Point 10) Lastly, Oba Akiolu later declared emphatically in this same interview that Lagos does NOT belong to Benin kingdom. See times-stamp 5:44 of the full and untampered video embedded below.

Cheers!

None of the gibberish you wrote was said by the Oba of Lagos, everyone that have ears have listened to his majesty, you can keep your fabrications, lies and wishful thinking to yourself.

The Oba of Lagos was very clear when he said the following.

1. First Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba of Benin and was sent there by oba of Benin. Benin established the Lagos monarchy hence the first Oba of Lagos being a Male descendant of Oba of Benin according to oba of Lagos.

2. The Lagos royal have a song they sing at the installation of any Oba that says their father was born in Benin and his father was a king and not a commoner. Any body with sense knows that Benin have only one king, the Oba of Benin.

3. At the installation of any Lagos oba and chiefs, the Oba of Benin has to be saluted as part of the tradition.

No Awori bullsxxt was mentioned in that video.

Someone is looking for you with canes, go and meet the person to cane some senses into you. Good to know that someone has volunteered to cane some lies out of you, it's becoming too much.

Fezz:
I have observed you for a while and to be honest I don't see you as a smart guy. Your rivals are attacking you left, right and centre and all you observed on this thread is to attack me. You are funny. Let me give you words of advise here, it's left for you to heed to my advise or not. It's better for you to go and study the foundational history of other kingdoms under the benin empire such as the urohbos, esans etc. This might shed more light on the missing links that the benins need to have a upper hand against their rivals. Your knowledge on benin history is too narrow and the yorubas are taking advantage of your narrow knowledge.

There is one thing you should understand, the yorubas are hell bent on destroying the benin Kingdom history, they don't mind telling all the lies in this world to accomplish that goal. They are playing dirty and they are quite determined to succeed.

I'm sure you have noticed that its not just the ile-ifes that are debunking the benin history. Everyone of the yoruba tribes are working together to obliterate the benin history out of the history books, but all I see on nairaland is the benins (edo speakers) trying to fight this media war all by themselves. My advise to you is to go and meet your afemai brothers, the esans etc... come together, broaden your knowledge, connect all the missing dots with facts and hit the yorubas hard.

The yorubas have studied benin history to a very large extent and their sole aim to debunk and discredit benin history so that when Nigeria finally divides they will claim the heritage of the benin Kingdom. So you better wise up and step up your game.

Go and do your research on the founding fathers of igodomigodo and you will come across pa idu. Don't attack me next time because I'm not the enemy. Wise up

Nice one, just to add, Benin is too vast to be viewed from a narrow prism. Every tribes that claimed Benin ancestry and left Benin centuries ago left with different strands/piece of Benin history that will sound strange to those at the heart of the empire today. I have read historical accounts of pre colonial Benin that I find difficult to reconcile with the Benin history I know and if not that these accounts were written by eyewitnesses to the events, it would have be difficult to believe them.

The study of Benin history can't be narrowed down to Benin city and Edo state alone. There are still numerous pre colonial writings of Benin history in various European languages still yet to be translated. No one person can claim to know Benin history more than others and my advice is whenever we come across new information coming from a Benin compatriot, we shouldn't be too quick to attack.

We all should stick to the area of Benin history we know, there is hardly anyone around hear that can claim to be expert in Benin history, we are all still scratching the surface.

Benin compatriot telling Benin history best to their ability are not enemies, if you don't agree, you can simply just ignore it, at the end of the day, it's left for them to support their claims if they wish. We all just listen to the video of Oba of Lagos which was less than a minute, yet someone still find the need to misinterpret what was clearly said and there were Yorubas that supported the lies whilst others said nothing. You will hardly find any Yoruba calling out one of their own no matter the amount of lies being told.

The Yoruba have a mission and deploying all means and especially lies to steal Benin history and yet some of us are looking for fault amongst their compatriots, not a very wise move.

Why do the Igbo call Benin Idu?
Why do the Urhobos call Benin Aka and others that interacted with Benin have several more names that will sound strange to the modern Benin person. All these names carry their own history that should be study, we must all approach Benin history with broad minds while we remain vigilant to Yoruba lies that started in late 1800s.

Imagine how the average Yoruba and Igbo feel when pre colonial Nigeria maps show that the only significant or most significant kingdom/empire was Benin, infact, the map shows the entire Nigeria space as Benin. Benin was in charged of the entire Nigeria space for more than 400 years until the Fulani showed up in the 1800s. Yoruba and Igbo who were nowhere before the 1800s are now trying to distort history. You guys have an uphill task before you because it's impossible for you guys to distort or change Benin history that was internationally recorded and archived.

The fact that your history started proper in the 1800s can't be changed. You guys should learn to live with it. Benin is not your mate when it comes to historical achievements.

Those who are deaf and dumb that need your analysis know themselves, not everyone is fooled by your lies, the video is there for all to listen to and make up their minds from what the Oba said.

It's not too much to request that Nairalanders around here hear for themselves without you adding your lie. Let those that have ears and without hearing problems hear for themselves. I don't believe several pages of lies is needed to analyse a simple video of less than a minute.

The Oba spoke in simple English and sang in Yoruba, no need for your regular Coptic and Arabic interpretations of what he said.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFYH3GAmBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFYH3GAmBk

Yoruba are the only ones that believe their own lies and spins. Those that have ears can listen to the Oba of Lagos and hear for themselves. The Oba didn't just say the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba of Benin, he even went on to reproduced a song in Yoruba that says their father is from Benin, this song has to be sang at the installation of any Oba of Lagos to remind them of their Benin root, not done, he told us that all chiefs after installation at their Enuwa must pay homage/salute the Oba of Benin. How else could him have made himself clearer that their recognised father is the Oba of Benin.

On the second coronation anniversary of the Oba of Benin which you can find on YouTube, the Oba of Lagos was the chairman, he told the world that the Oba of Benin is his father. He went on to thank the Benin chiefs that were sent by late Oba Erediawa to train him in tradition and played a vital role during his coronation.

I don't think there are many places outside of Edo state that the Benin Palace still plays the sort of role they play in the coronation of Lagos monarchs.

You heard directly from the Oba himself but still prefer an analysis full of spin and lies.

I provided the video without saying anything, I just wanted the readers to listen for themselves but someone think the listeners are deaf, dumb and lack understanding and he/she saw the need to explain the videos with lies.

seunmsg:
The Oba of Lagos and the Oniru royal family of VI have Benin ancestry.

The Oba of Lagos agrees with you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFYH3GAmBk

Ogungbemi01:
The controversy surrounding the Itsekiri kingship tussle has been finally put to rest as 99.5% of Itsekiris insist that the controversial edict which disqualified a prince whose mother is not from Edo origin does not emanate from the people and should be totally discarded. They insist that they are Yoruba speaking people in Delta State who have no relationship with Bini people. They wondered why an edict should be made to exclude the parent tribe that gave birth to Itsekiri. All Itsekiri communities migrated from Yoruba. It is therefore against our interest to disqualify prince Shola on the basis of an edict that was made for selfish interest to narrow the search for an Oluto a particular person they had in mind. What Itsekiris have demostrated is that the people are bigger than the controversial edict. Prince Tsola Emiko whose mother is Yoruba has been chosen as Omoba elect. Congratulations.

The Itsekiri themselves, all agree that their monarchy was started by Benin prince and sons of Benin nobility and the dynasty has not changed, so what's your point.

I don't see the argument, wherever the mother of the new Olu comes from doesn't change the fact that the Itsekiri throne remains Benin because the father will always be a descendant of Benin. In Nigeria, your ethnicity is based on your father's tribe. What many of you also forget is the young Olu elect has Benin influence and sympathy written all over is ascension. He is an inlaw to a prominent Benin son, captain Hosa, who he also worked for and Captain Hosa is closely connected to the Benin Palace. The current Oba of Benin, as the heir apparent and Edaiken of Uselu was the royal father of the day in the traditional wedding of this Olu elect and daughter of billionaire Captain Hosa.

Lastly, that is not to say his position will not be challenge in court because of the existing edict which hasn't be repealed or amended.

Whatever happens, Itsekiri throne will continue to remain Benin because it's from father to son and as long as the dynasty from Benin that started the monarchy hasn't changed.