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Culture › Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by samuk: 9:51pm On Jan 07, 2021

Ofunwa111:
You forgot to write the name of the real inferior one amongst you guys; Samuk ..... lol

Yet you will pretend not to be enjoying my lectures and curing of Igbos of their ignorance. You couldn't even pretend and hide your admiration for me. You actually went through that list looking for me and felt disappointed. You just revealed that I have really knocked some vital information into your heads grin

I know you will be okay now that you have heard from me. You just couldn't resist calling my name.

You are not satisfied with all the brilliant submissions so far, you still want to hear from Samuk.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 11:30am On Jan 04, 2021

Etinosa1234:
It was too much Bros...Esp as u have reduced the Alaafin to nothingness with ur logic

Guy, why do you always expose the stupidity of their logical nonsense.

It's not just the Alaafin that was reduced to nothingness by his photograph, all other over 1000 Yoruba Obas were reduced to insignificance.

The other one produce an Arabic text that shows the word Yod and claim it to be Yoruba, not knowing we live in computer age and can easily be checked out.
Below is how Yoruba and Yod are written in Arabic.

English : Arabic

Yoruba : اليوروبا

Yod : يود

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 1:53am On Jan 04, 2021*

TAO12:
Since, you’ve murdered sleep consider the following exercise:

Just as we have shown a text from the early 1600s depicting the the name of our ethno-linguistic group, Yoruba.

Can we also see a text from the same period (or even late 1600s) which shows the name of your ethno-linguistic group Edo??

Now, na to dey luku-luku.

I actually proved that the word Yoruba didn't exist in the 16th century. Your so called 16th century Arabic translation has just be proven for the world to see as Fraud.

Only dummies will take your so called Arabic, Coptic translations serious going forward.

I repeat, the word or name, Yoruba didn't exist until 1808.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 12:47am On Jan 04, 2021*

TAO11:
REPOSTING!

Reference to the ethno-linguistic group of people called Yoruba appears in at least one of the early 1600s essays of the Timbuktu scholar, Ahmad Baba.

The embedded screenshot below shows page 39 of the English translation of Ahmad Baba’s replies on slavery which he entitled “Mi‘rāj al-Su‘ūd”.
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This specific translation shown here is by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for the Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco – this is part of the ongoing program aimed at preserving his corpus of old Arabic manuscripts.

The link below shows more pages of this particular translation of his old Arabic essay from the University of Alberta, Canada.

http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist347/autumn%202012/additional%20readings/ahmad_baba.pdf

Moreover, the embedded screenshot below shows the actual folio from where the translators have done their translation — showing the list of the ethno-linguistic groups, with Baba’s Arabic original of the name “Yoruba” particularly highlighted.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12924497_5f8c8fcd48c848d2b88df144cbb2812c_jpeg_jpegf6b00ae4ee5f6daa0c3a908bef599eb7

The link below goes to some more folios of this same manuscript where this particular folio is also present.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/The_Ladder_of_Ascent_in_Obtaining_the_Procurements_of_the_Sudan-_Ahmad_Baba_Answers_a_Moroccan’s_Questions_about_Slavery_WDL9661.pdf

Cc: Ideadoctor, Obalufon, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85

Can you see why I said some Yoruba and especially you Tao is not smart. You come up with your nonsense citations and references knowing that most people don't examine them.

I have just gone through your so called year 2000 translation of a supposed 16th century Islamic text and found references to Ade Ajayi and Ajayi Crowder. Why would a supposed simple translation from 16th century Arabic text to English reference a 18th century Ade Ajayi and Ajayi Crowder. Were these figures in existence in the 16th century when these supposed Arabic text where written?

Obviously the Yoruba in the text came from late 18th century inputs of Ajayi Crowder not the original Arabic text the same way modern interpretations of Benin kings in Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, etc are written down today as Oba.

I will like to see the original 16th century Arabic text that states Yoruba. I can get it interpreted by the Arabs around me.

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The bolded was my request and the original Arabic text was provided, I have now independently examined the original so called 16th century Arabic text and it doesn't contain the word or name Yoruba

My fellow Nairalanders:

Below is how Yoruba and Yod are written in Arabic.

English : Arabic

Yoruba : اليوروبا

Yod : يود

What seems to have been written on the Arabic text is Yod. Not Yoruba as being claimed by the Fraudulent and liar Tao.

Please you guys can check the highlighted part of the Arabic page provided by Tao and compare the Arabic text with اليوروبا which is how Yoruba is written in Arabic, you will discover that what she highlighted can't possibly be Yoruba.

You guys can check this out yourself on Google translation of English to Arabic. Type Yoruba on the English part and see the translation in Arabic.

I have long said all her Arabic, Coptic translations were Frauds this just proves it.

The Fraud and Pinocchio has been busted, Pants on Fire.

I rest my case. Case Closed.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 10:52pm On Jan 03, 2021*

Etinosa1234:
https://www.nairaland.com/6314603/oni-chief-priest/16#97596405

Oba of Lagos: who is your ancestors and royal father?

Answer: Oba of Benin.

Oba of Lagos: to whom do you and your chiefs pay homage and salute at enuwa during the installation of any chief?

Answer: Oba of Benin.

Nearly 500 years since Benin first step into Lagos, Oba of Benin is still regarded as the royal father of all Lagos Obas by the Oba of Lagos himself.

Even the Sultan of Sokoto will be jealous. Even if Lagos stop to recognise the supremacy of the Oba of Benin today, it will take the Sultan whose Fulani conquered Ilorin less that 200 years ago another 300 years to catch up with the Oba of Benin.

As long as successive Oba of Lagos continues to recognise oba of Benin as their royal father, Sultan will continue to be 300 years behind with such respect from Yoruba Ilorin.

The Benin should be very satisfied with this.

Do you guys know that the Benin Palace still plays active role in the installations of Lagos obas.

The current Oba of Lagos revealed this during the second coronation anniversary of the Oba of Benin. He thanked chief engineer Greg Ero and other Benin Palace chiefs who the Oba of Benin sent to train him in his new traditional role.

Anyone interested should checkout the speech on YouTube.

Those familiar with Benin tradition should know the sort of traditional training and rites all Palace chiefs and Inigies have to go through before installation.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 7:48pm On Jan 03, 2021*

Obalufon:
Good Bro you are right ...Benin were brought to Lagos through the Portuguese They can't flown over Ilaje and Ijebu to get to Lagos ..Ijebu were controlling the water way then.. The influence they had was through the Portuguese because they were allies Benin get to Lagos after almost 200yrs of trade between the Portuguese and Ijebu and Aworis in Lagos

As of now we have an Oba of Lagos that said his ancestors were Benin. Nothing else matters. Anybody not happy with that can go to his palace and take up the issue with him. He and his chiefs will continue to salute the Oba of Benin at their enuwa and not the Ooni or anyone else.

Even if the Oba of Lagos is not of Benin descent, the fact that him and his chiefs still regard and salute the Oba of Benin and see him as their royal father is good enough for Benin.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 10:08am On Jan 03, 2021*

Etinosa1234:
True sha

She is spending more effort to make the Lagos account more believable by all means.. now she's saying ashipa used and dump the Oba of Benin whereas Lagos paid tributes to the Oba of Benin till when Oba kosoko was removed(as against the lying pic she posts)... More than 200 years after the death of ashipa.. The letter akitoye also depict Benin control over who rules Lagos.. she's trying hard to change the narrative and it's taking a toll on her mental health

When I'm free, I'll write an article about Benin undeniable influence over Lagos... For now, she's free to rigmarole... Let her enjoy her lies for now

I remember when I first presented the 1603 European account of Lagos under Benin, she first waved it off as lies, she probably went and read more on it and realised she couldn't disproved it as authentic, she is now claiming that the report only applied to the part of Lagos that was allocated to Benin. Lol.

When I provided European account of the Alaafin paying tributes and relying on Benin for military help, she first dismissed it as lies, after reading about it, she came back and said the Alaafin only contracted his defence to Benin like he did with others.

She is unbelievable when it comes to lies and spins. Whatever you present to counter her, she look for a way to spin it to her advantage. Like gregyboy said, it's up to the audience. I don't think she really cares about what her readers think because there will always be those gullible enough to believe her lies.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 9:27am On Jan 03, 2021*

Etinosa1234:
Na true Sha... Na wetin I be wan try tell Samuk. ... Her obsession is about our tribe... Not even the Fulani that is still in control of their town

Make I go do better thing jare... U be correct guy

Guys, you are very correct, I wonder what she gets from all the lies and spins she put on these history. She must really think she can wake up and rewrite history that have already been made and documented.

She picks up a piece of history write her own interpretation to it as it suits her, then get skewed revisionist references to back up her lies. Even when you counter her with a superior evidence, she simply turns around and claim your evidence supports her position.

On a more serious note, what will she do with life if the Benins seize or stop debating her, you guys may actually be saving a life here unknowingly.

Imagine her claiming her version of oral history is more correct than that of Oba of Benin, Awujale of Ijebu, Oba of Lagos, Olugbo, Ooni of Ife, etc. Her delusion is on a higher scale.

It seems Edo/Benin history gives her life purpose. I think gregyboy and AreaFather are very right about her. If one is not careful, you get drawn into the endless circles of disproving her lies.

She sees herself as internet warrior defending the pride and culture of Yoruba with lies. The Irony is her Ilorin is still under Fulani rulers and will probably remain so for eternity. More than half of her Yoruba people have the Sultan of Sokoto as their spiritual head. So much for Yoruba, Ooni and Ife pride.

This is 2021, no time for people trying to use lies to present themselves more than what they really are.

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 7:13pm On Jan 02, 2021*

TAO11:
It doesn’t really matter how little other Aworis see the Lagos island throne at its beginnings. Moreover, the realtive positions appear to have reversed for some centuries now.

My irrefutable stance, however, is that the throne’s lineage is an Awori patrilineal lineage starting from Ashipa (from Isheri) up to his son Ado (whose mom is a Bini), and all the way to Eletu Kekere.

It was at the point of Ologun Kutere’s reign that Ijesha patrilineal line (with matrilineal side of Awori/Bini) began and continued up till present-day. These are the points I’m making.

NB: Kutere’s dad (Alaagba) is Ijesha. While his mom (Erelu Kuti) is the daughter of Ado (who himself is the son of the Yoruba progenitor, Ashipa). Kutere’s legitimacy to the throne was thus through his mom’s (Kuti’s) side.

The bolded statement here is a gross inaccuracy and falsehood. There is no basis for it.

All Aworis pride themselves as sons and daughters of Olofin — referring to the first diasporan Olofin, Olofin Ogunfunminire.

Guess where Olofin Ogunfunminire’s base was when the Aworis arrived diaspora from Ife. Take a wild guess. His base was in Isheri.

The popular river which runs through Lagos and Ogun states and popularly known in Nigeria today as the Ogun River (along which Isheri originally lies) was particularly named after him.

It is, in full, called “Odo Ogunfunminire” which became more popularly known in modern times as “Odo Ogun” after which Ogun State was later named.

The Kings of Isheri till date continue to retain the royal title Olofin which many Awori Kings are not privileged to use because of the great reverence for the title.

Isheri is the Olu-Ilu of the Aworis and its ruler is the direct heir of Olofin Ogunfunminire himself being where he also reigned at.

There have been many songs made about it in the past millennium some of which I can share with you.

In fact, very recently (just a month or two ago) at Ile-Ife, this issue came up — before the Ooni himself —among all Awori kings of both Lagos and Ogun states.

The Awori kings from Lagos made this stance abundantly and resoundingly clear in the presence of the Ooni of Ife, while the Olota himself simply listened along.

Why do you think one of the lines in Awori praise poem goes as follows?:

“Omo ka fi opa wa, ka fi aje wa, ka fi ogedegede-owo wa oko de Ile-Isheri”.

Isheri is Awori’s capital. Like we say: “Isheri-Ile ko pe meji”.

Peace!

Cc: Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, babtoundey, gomojam, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot, ABULARdotCom, TheLionofLasigi, sesan85

Tao, after all said and done, it's left for the Star Witness Himself, the Oba of Lagos to tell us whose his ancestors is Or don't you think what he has to say count?

Don't you think it's pretentious for anyone to tell the Oba of Lagos his own history? Before you point to any reference, remember non of your references were eyewitness or were more royal than the Oba himself.

I believe it rest on the Oba of Lagos to tell the world who his father is just as it's up to Tao to tell the world the history of her forefathers. No one, no matter the hubris, no one can know the history of the Lagos monarchy more than the custodian himself.

The Oba of Lagos has spoken and told the world who his forebears were and that the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba of Benin. Any other argument from a commoner doesn't count.

CASE CLOSED.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 7:29pm On Jan 01, 2021

TAO11:
And where did I say he didn't say that ??

Of all his claims, the specific one which is inaccurate is his statement that "The first Oba of Lagos is a male descendant of the Oba of Benin".

I made it clear that such claim was noting but a reiteration of the 1950s Benin account propagated and popularized by Chief Egharevba.

I debunked the statement with evidence by citing the Lagos account which has been in existence in the days of his ancestors decades before him or Chief Egharevba was conceived.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12768161_03c5f455ca6c4a4983a0bf2594607f69_jpeg_jpegcd0c447085360c921debd85d0f8869cd

From this Lagos account attached above, it becomes clear that saluting the Oba of Benin at Enuwa on the ascension of a new Eleko is not out of place.

1. You disagree with Awujale of Ijebu version of his oral history that denies his Ife root.

2. You disagree with Oba of Lagos claim that the first Oba of Lagos is the Male descendant of Oba of Benin.

3. You disagree with Oba of Benin version of the oral history of Oduduwa that traces him to Benin.

4. You disagree with the past Ooni when he says Oduduwa climbed down from heaven with chains

5. You disagree with the current Ooni when he stated that Ooni become Egyptian God Osiris when they die.

6. You disagree with the version of Oduduwa history that traces his origin to Saudi Arabia.

7. You disagree with S. Johnson claim in his book that Ooni is the descendant of a shrine keeper.

Hope you can see a pattern in how you choose what you believe and what not to believe.

Yoruba history is full of various versions of the same myth, the confusion arises because of the lack of eyewitness historical evidence in Yoruba history/stories. Yoruba history is made up as you go. Even you can wake up one day and write your own versions as it suits your ego. This is why we argued that Yoruba don't have history but made up stories.

Yoruba have myths, tales by moonlight, folklore, folktales, stories and no history.

The Lagos history is exempted because it has a 1603 eyewitness European historical account which is older than all your recent fabricated references.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 6:46pm On Jan 01, 2021

TAO11:
PS:
(1a) I am glad that @Etinosa1234 (who is also insecure but more conscientious than @samuk can ever be) admits that there is an “original” Channels interview (the one I posted).

(1b) Etinosa thus agrees with my exposition that the short version posted by Saamu already has the Oba’s disclaimers edited out.

(1c) Also Saamu’s version is from a private YouTube account rather than from Channel TV’s YouTube account considering its Rubik’s cube logo instead of the Channels TV logo.

(1d) The disclaimers edited out by Saamu are where the Oba talked about his fallibility and where he stated categorically that Lagos does not belong to Benin kingdom.

(2) Yes, Oba Akiolu (just as every Eleko from Ado till present time) have Benin ancestry because Ashipa’s wife (from whom Ado was born) is a Bini woman — while Ashipa himself is a Yoruba man as the Lagos account has resoundingly affirmed.

(3) My specific refutation of the crux of the video however is based on the fact that the Lagos account which comes many decades earlier categorically rebuts the popular later-day Egharevba claims which the Oba unknowingly reiterated.

See below for the details of my comment once more.

FALSE!

The only Eleko who makes such obviously erroneous claim is Oba Akiolu -- in the 21st century.

To be fair to Oba Akiolu in his interview with Channels TV (which you've fraudulently edited out the beginning and ending parts); he admits categorically that he his not infallible — go to timestamp 0:44 of the unedited version below.

He also stated categorically in the unedited version that Lagos does not belong to Benin Kingdom — go to timestamp 5:45 of the unedited version below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

In order to hide these two disclaimers issued by Oba Akiolu, you went through the stress of downloading this video from Channels TV's YouTube page and then went on to edit out the parts which damages your moronic propaganda.

You then proceeded to upload your edited version to your personal YouTube account from where you've copied the YouTube link and pasted it to Nairaland to further promote your business of deception. Lol.

Notice the Channels TV logo on the official and original version from Channels TV YouTube page which I posted here.

Compare that to the Rubik's cube logo on your own edited video which you posted a page or two pages earlier — this easily gives you away as a fraud.

Having exposed your fraudulent editing, the account which Oba Akiolu narrates in the video is but a reiteration of the widely circulated and unfortunately popular erroneous claims made by Chief Egharevba in the 1950s.

Chief Egharevba put forward the strange claim that the Binis infiltrated Lagos by means of imperial conquest, and that Ashipa (the first Eleko) is a Benin man — son (or grandson) of the then Oba of Benin.

On the contrary, I have repeatedly cited colonial materials from the days of Oba Akiolu’s ancestors — decades before he or Egharevba was born.

The Lagos account (as historians call it) plainly refutes Egharevba’s claims about Lagos.

It states categorically that the Binis penetrated into Lagos peacefully, and that Ashipa was a Yoruba man — one of the Awori chiefs (of Ife royal descent) from Isheri.

For references to the Lagos account, see the following:

(1) Rev. J. B. Wood, Historical Notices of Lagos, West Africa, 1878.

(2) Rev. J. B. Losi, History of Lagos, 1914.

(3) and Sir Alan Burns, History of Nigeria, 1929.

I have repeatedly posted a screenshot of the relevant page from Sir Alan Burns' work on the Lagos account which is said by Robert Smith to be based on the first two.

Cc: Obalufon, Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85

Tao, you never disappoint in your skewed selected references.

The Oba clearly stated that the first oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of the Oba of Benin and all Lagos chiefs at installation must show reverence and salutes the Oba of Benin. They also have a song they sing to remind themselves that their father is from Benin.

The Oba of Lagos was very specific when he said the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba Benin. If you are not hearing clearly, I am sure other Nigerians don't have ear problems, they can listen for themselves.

Your references are irrelevant because the people can hear directly from the Oba of Lagos himself.

Even the video you provide says the same thing as my at time stamp 5:00.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 6:31pm On Jan 01, 2021

Etinosa1234:

I'm even surprised there is no citation on the official praises of the oba... I think it's internet problem...

Otherwise she'd have quoted Bondarenko, Bradbury, Cyril Punch, Roupell. Egharevba etc...

It was shocking that her only source is the same edo site she has been claiming to be a lie for the past 20 months...
Now that I disproved her site using the wrong meaning of the word and multiple videos of where the Oba was praised, she resorted to clownery and her associate to insults..... I got one banned and the other left hallucinating thinking he found Gold on nairaland by discovering my other moniker...

Its not even 24hrs and 2021 is looking exciting

If u know that u are the one i made to hallucinate, mention me for recognition

I'm even surprised there is no citation on the official praises of the oba... I think it's internet problem... grin

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 5:37pm On Jan 01, 2021

PORNeIlusHUBson:
Lol... I ask again, .. are there indigenous Yoruba communities in Edo that segun comes from?

Samuk... Why this guy dey dodge simple question

The question may seem simple to clever and smart people but to average Yoruba, it's as difficult as rocket science and brain surgery. Let's see if any of them can answer the simple question.

Don't be surprised if Tao decided to flood the thread with irrelevant citations and references in trying to answer this simple question because that is her modus operandi.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 5:27pm On Jan 01, 2021

PORNeIlusHUBson:
Here's my question..

are there indigenous Yoruba communities in Edo that segun comes from?

Now that u technically accept even tho u don't want to say it, are u then saying that when segun was writing the article that u are falsely tagging as the official praise, there is no probability for him to add the Yoruba words given the Fact that he could probably speak both Yoruba and Benin

Now ... U contradict ur self a lot..

U, The Ekaladerhan story is a lie because it came from an Edo website

Same u, the ikeji and the other stories are true because it came from the same website..m

When will u be sure of ur self

Yoruba pick and choose what they believe not the truth, even when the truth is right in their face, they will still find ways to say it's a lie. Didn't you see Tao saying that the publicly available channels TV interview of Oba of Lagos was doctored?

Most Nigeria now know Yoruba to be peddlers of false and fabricated history. Tao is too embarrassed these days to Cc her Igbo fans since I exposed her to be fraud?

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 2:38pm On Jan 01, 2021

sesan85:
Another pea-brained slowpoke surfaces. Segun Toyin Dawodu is your fellow Edo man, lmao! He didn't even come up with those praise names. He's the founder of Edonation.net, the number one revisionist site where ahistorical junks are made up for the consumption of you nitwits. But how would you know Segun Toyin Dawodu was your fellow Edo man when you people have stolen Yoruba things/names to the brim, lol. Bunch of shameless people. Oya, is Olumide Akpata a Yoruba man or Edo? Lmao.

Everyone can now see the Yoruba for the fraud they are.

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 2:27pm On Jan 01, 2021

PORNeIlusHUBson:
The honest truth is that u are just deceiving ur self... Lemme just say this .. I don't have time to drag things with obviously jobless people who spend 20 hours on nairaland fighting Benin history

Now the Edo site where u got ur pRaISe nAmeS from was compiled by a Yoruba man named Segun Toyin as u can see...

It can be clearly said that out of his supposed love for the Oba decided to praise the Oba in his own language hence he added the ikeji orisha, ovbi Umogun Oza and others that clearly do not have a meaning or an entire different meaning other than the original ones...

If it was an Igbo man that wrote this, he would have also added his own tongue to it

Now as I have said before praise names are dynamic and unofficial... here are some videos where the Oba was praise and check if anyone of them have even up to 30% similarity with the so called Edo site that u tend to hold as the official praises of the oba...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DEDPxi8EPvV0&ved=2ahUKEwjep7OMtvrtAhXNSBUIHZWGAdsQwqsBMAB6BAgBEAM&usg=AOvVaw3SKBK7fGiY2cFnYA9S85qk

https://www.facebook.com/Gmoneykey/videos/626204984511335/?app=fbl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0Fxyfdllc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeOh5UqcFgk

https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1225908530887850&id=246224025522977

As u can see, I have posted 5 different videos of where the Oba was praised and each of them do not sound 100% similar... This thus trashes the claim of the Edo site praise name is the official one in the entire kingdom...

Also the claim that because an edo site (obviously compiled by a Yoruba man) write abt the praise name, its the official one is baseless because the official website of the oba palace, kingdomofbenin.com never approved it by posting in theirs...

Edo nation is not the official website of the Benin Palace and whatever they say is merel their opinion... I hope u'll be bright to understand this

Now for example,if u think that the Ikeji orisha word that was written in the website was not caused by the fact that the writer was a Yoruba man, provide 2 videos like I did where the speaker used the word ikeji orisha ...

Its obviously clear that the writer added his own Yoruba words because the meaning of ikeji orisha is second in command in English but the Benin will say Ukpogieva in their own language... This further establishes the claim that the writer of that post added his Yorubas words/sentiments into the article...

Another example is the word Ovbi Umogun Oza....
First its wrong translation as Umogun refers to the royal family which includes the oba cousins, uncles, aunties and the likes.

Another loophole is that the royal family doesn't hail from oza

But believe me, u just swallowed the article gullibily and started vomiting nonsense on my mentions... Hope u know better now

I can also give u another example of the error he made... This goes to show that author was not even well grounded in Benin language for him to make such errors

I know u'll still mention me with the useless talk of how it's a Benin website or Yoruba bear Edo name and all that but I won't reply u because having disproved the authenticity of that authenticity, u are clearly dumb to reply me with such statements

Etrusen
Areafada2
Etinosa1234
Samuk
Gregyboy

Cc: Sesan85 this is for u... Besides why isn't there a written praise name for the Ooni of ife that should have been official like u are screaming abt the one of the Oba...

Thanks for schooling these fraudsters. Imagine a Yoruba compelling some dog shit and ascribing Edo to it and their fellow Yoruba are parroting it as the official Edo account. These is how they deceive themselves and unsuspecting Nigerians.

Tao could just wake up one day, writes some historical bull shit, put Benin Edo name on it and start to reference it as an official Edo account.

This is the reason I always demand an eyewitness historical accounts when debating them. They always run away from this demand because they have no history before 1824, everything before then are shrouded in myths. Imagine the dullard calling one version of oral history that have no eyewitness evidence fraud.

Oduduwa story is oral history without evidence to back it and as such no one can vouch or claim any one version to be the authentic one, obviously these guys are not clever enough to know this.

If Yoruba want to debate history, they should bring forth history that was documented by an eyewitness that was present when the historical events happened, not translation of what someone claimed he was told, alot of information can be added or lost in translation. Even various versions of the bible don't all always give the same account of an event mostly due to translation from their original Hebrew language to English.

If the Yoruba say Ife or Oyo was great, then produce a historical accounts from a eyewitness that witnessed this greatness not what you wrote in 2010.

I already provided eyewitness written accounts of the Alaafin stating in 1911 that his predecessors were paying tributes to Benin and that Alaafin in particular stated that he was waiting for his friend the Oba of Benin to send him army to help put down his rebellious neighbours. This is how history should look like not telling us that Ife traded in gold in the 13th century without eyewitness historical accounts of a visitor to Ife in the 13th century.

Yoruba just make up stuffs as they go along.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 2:48am On Jan 01, 2021

TAO11:
Well I partially agree. He’s dull normally.

But c’mon! He can’t possibly be that dull to not know what a footnote is.

I think he’s only disappointed that he messed up by allowing his heartbroken brother (nocomment99999) mislead him.

Like I said earlier, the dull ones are those that are quick to insults otherwise you can make your submission if you really believe in your argument. When you are being beaten, you quickly retort to insults to end the debate.

A well educated person with good upbringing and etiquette and sound knowledge sticks to the point.

You trying to discredit a publicly available channels TV interview of the Oba of Lagos shows you have no shame and can go to any length to show it.

Normally I wouldn't have time for people as low as you but for the sake of those people who you are trying to deceive with your lies.

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 2:38am On Jan 01, 2021

TAO11:
Yours is a clear case of a dummy who thinks himself as cunning.

Show me a screenshot of the page where you found that [size=8pt]the actual body of the translation[/color] mentions the names: Crowder, Ade Ajayi, et al.

You may need a dictionary at this stage to appreciate what a translation is and what a translator's annotation (or footnote, or commentary) is.

Yes! Both you and I know that you understand exactly what you’re doing. Or don’t you?

You’re only trying hard to cover up for your mess up.

And the best way you thought to do that is to pretend to be ignorant of the meaning of “translation” and of “footnote”.

You obviously never get tired of being disgraced.

Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, babtoundey, Obalufon, newton85, sesan85.

Why would a simple translation from 16th century Arabic text to English require a footnote that referenced modern day Ade Ajayi and Michael Crowder? What was their relevance and inputs, were they the one doing the translation?

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 2:15am On Jan 01, 2021

TAO11:
I’m not sure why you need the Yorubas to prove or disprove a claim made by your own daddies.

Listen lad, it was your Bini daddies who insisted adamantly to the Europeans that they had connections with Ife, with the Ooni, and with the Yoruba country in general. It wasn’t the other way around.

Moreover, nowhere have I ever read that the Yorubas forced your daddies at gun point to narrate such account. So, you may choose to throw your Obas under the bus as usual. I really don't care. Call them sell outs and insecure for all I care. It wasn’t the Yorubas forcing them is the point.

HELLO! I guess your confusion and insecurity hit an all-time high as you were typing this particular comment.

Lagos was documented by the Portuguese in the late 1400s; the Ijebus around the same period; the Itsekiris around the same period; the Oyos in the 1700s by the Governor of the Cape-Coast Castle. I guess in your warped brain these Yoruba subgroups are Bini people.

Moreover, Ife was documented by name in Ibn Battuta’s Travels in the 1300s at a period when Benin, as expected, cannot possibly be noticed. This remains an eternal source of irreversible despair for you. Swallow it.

Igbos?? Lies have failed you, hence your attempt at trying your hand on “public discord” – perhaps that may sell. Loser!

Well, no matter the quantum of emotional blackmail and public discord you attempt, the irreversible damage has already been done and the truth has been unveiled. Both the Igbos and the Yorubas have repeatedly testified to identifying your Obas for who they are – Yoruba men from Ife.

Your comment here must be due to either of the following, or both:

(A) You failed to receive the basic education required to recognize the significance of the word “returnee”.

OR

(B) You are perpetually but hurt that your Bini daddies and mommies who were sold by Ibadan raiders never regained their freedom.

Moreover, returnees were resettled from the Americas back to their home regions -- specifically to the colonies of Sierra Leone and of Liberia.

While many of them established their new homes in these colonies, a number of them decided to move back to their respective homelands in other parts of West Africa and Central Africa from where they had originally left.

Having debunked your fiction, the following is a direct refutation of the 1808 date which you also wove into your fiction:

Reference to the ethno-linguistic group of people called Yoruba appears in at least one of the early 1600s essays of the Timbuktu scholar, Ahmad Baba.

The embedded screenshot below shows page 39 of the English translation of Ahmad Baba’s replies on slavery which he entitled “Mi‘rāj al-Su‘ūd”.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12916030_35bd589040034203aa5d7d687c1da64a_jpeg_jpeg5d6dcb71a92c88b75b7bd3b5b6f4593f
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This specific translation shown here is by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for the Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco – this is part of the ongoing preservation effort for his corpus of old Arabic manuscripts.

The link below shows more pages of this particular translation of his old Arabic essay from the University of Alberta, Canada.

http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist347/autumn%202012/additional%20readings/ahmad_baba.pdf

Ideadoctor, Obalufon, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85

Can you see why I said the Yoruba and especially you Tao is not smart. You come up with your nonsense citations and references knowing that most people don't examine them.

I have just gone through your so called year 2000 translation of a supposed 16th century Islamic text and found references to Ade Ajayi and Ajayi Crowder. Why would a supposed simple translation from 16th century Arabic text to English reference a 18th century Ade Ajayi and Ajayi Crowder. Where these figures in existence in the 16th century when these supposed Arabic text where written?

Obviously the Yoruba in the text came from late 18th century inputs of Ajayi Crowder not the original Arabic text the same way modern interpretations of Benin kings in Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, etc are written down today as Oba.

I will like to see the original 16th century Arabic text that states Yoruba. I can get it interpreted by the Arabs around me.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 1:40am On Jan 01, 2021

Etinosa1234:
The word official means approved by authority...

The Story that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa has been approved by Benin authorities ie Akenzua and Erediauwa... That makes it the official story of the origin of the Oba of Benin..

Not the fuss u are spewing here...

Pls what makes Cyril punch story official when not accepted by authority?

What was Cyril sources sef if not from the same Benin people...

Oral traditions vary in communities... The Yoruba Muslims believe Oduduwa came from Mecca, the Yoruba traditionalist believe he came from the sky.

Even in Benin history, there are different accounts as to the death of Ewuare 1, the story of emotan, the story of Arhuan and this stories get altered as time goes on

So Cyril story is not valid especially as there was no known written work where he got his story from apart from the oral stories which can be twisted depending on who is saying it

Samuk

Gbam, what more can I say, don't mind the yeye girl, she wants to promote one version of oral history that have no eyewitness evidence over another.

The Oduduwa story is nothing but oral history that can't be backed up with eyewitness historical evidence.

Who was there that documented Oduduwa life.

The Yoruba know they have no history, that's why they are now forcing the Benin to come down to their level to start discussing oral history.

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 11:55pm On Dec 31, 2020

PORNeIlusHUBson:
Source?

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 11:55pm On Dec 31, 2020

PORNeIlusHUBson:
Source?

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 9:13pm On Dec 31, 2020

Etinosa1234:
You won't blame him Sha... They think the whole world ends at Yoruba land...

The way the guy types, u'll see that nairaland is his only source of info hence the reason for his ignorance

You guys are even going too far to cite international examples. Below is what Benin did to his Yoruba people in the past, maybe he thinks the fighting gene was not passed down to this generation of Benin.

Benin lordship over Yoruba Land.

No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions…The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.

Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.

The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…

Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’

Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’."

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 1:02pm On Dec 31, 2020

TAO11:
See @samuk (aka. my salve) being a typical Benin man (i.e. lying upandan) while I’m away. Haha!

I’ve got a few more hours sleep to catch before I make you disappear as always. Lol!

Enjoy your lies while it lasts — that is while I’m away for a few hours.

But remember this — the more lies you peddle, the more your disgrace on my return.

So, help yourself with some moderation.

Cheers!

Cc: Balogunodua, babtoundey, Obalufon, sesan85, Ideadoctor.

The enemy of Benin history never have time to sleep, they remain restless, that's why you have only few hours to sleep and rest. Benin history will continue to keep you busy.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 12:59pm On Dec 31, 2020

Balogunodua:
He will Usainbolt out of this thread....

This is the official clown and praise singer of this village/land called Nairaland. Your clownish efforts are noticed. You are doing a great job in your clownish profession, keep it up.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 12:56pm On Dec 31, 2020*

Obalufon:
.

Now this is how the Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan myths and fabrications started.

After the Yoruba identity was created to accommodate all returnee slaves in 1808, early Yoruba historians mostly with slave roots such as S. Johnson, Law and Ajayi Crowder used their western education to start writing history for the Yoruba people.

Ife was zeroed in as a common heritage land and the Oyo dialect was adopted, standardized and taught as the common language for all Yoruba people.

Oduduwa which was a mythical figure was elevated to an historical figure with middle eastern origin, but there was a problem because Saudi Arabia or Egypt didn't have records for such historical figure.

Then Benin came to the rescue. The deal with Benin at the end of Benin empire/kingdom in 1897 was for Benin to use her well established history to give the political Oduduwa and Ife historical legitimacy.

What Benin got from the arrangement. Oranmiyan was created as heir to Oduduwa, Oba of Benin was the first heir to Oranmiyan, the Alaafin was the second heir and the Ooni their chief priest or shrine keeper. By this political arraignment, the Oba of Benin takes preeminence as Oduduwa heir, he seats on top of all other Yoruba monarchs that traces their roots to Oduduwa and Ife.

The Ooni and Alaafin will always accord the Oba of Benin the utmost respect. The supremacy tussle between Yoruba monarchs doesn't extend to Benin. Only lesser wannabe Ife descendants obas would say anything that could be construed as disrespectful in public.

Ife in ancient times was nothing other than were people go and consult the Oracles.

The popular Benin/Ife story goes like this, the Benin invited Oduduwa to come back home after the last Ogiso Owodo died because Oduduwa was the banished heir to the Benin throne. Oduduwa refused to come back to Benin due to old age and instead sent a younger Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent three months and couldn't stay because some chiefs were hostile to him. Oranmiyan left behind Eweka in his mother's tommy and went and established Oyo and the Alaafin of Oyo became his second son.

By the above story, Yoruba were able to backdate their 1808 history to the 1100s through the already well established Benin historical dating system.

Forget the Ife, Nupe, Zimbabwe, Yufi ambiguity, Benin history since the 1400s is solid.

Europeans that first visited Benin in the 1400s keep updating Benin history from the 1400s to 1897 in their writings.

All Yoruba fabricators of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan needed to do was to shift Oranmiyan's arrival to Benin 300 years earlier than the Portuguese 1400s visit to Benin.

All these were fabricated in the 1800s, this is the reason the Benin/Ife relationship can't be historically backed earlier than 1800s. This relationship never existed.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 12:22pm On Dec 31, 2020*

sesan85:
All Obas of Lagos since Ologun Kutere were/are descendants of Ijesha priest Alaagba, you ill-educated sub-slowpoke! No wonder your shallowitted ass didn't know "Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife) was a praise name of your Oba. There's a supremacy battle between your Ife descended Oba and the Ogiame, you halfwit. The Ogiamiens don't acknowledge the Oba as king over them. They're still telling him to acknowledge the Ekiopagha treaty as a tenant from Ife. And there's no Yoruba sub-group that doesn't claim descent from Ife.

You have still not cited pre-Erediuwa sources - both local and Benin - that claim Oduduwa was some spurious Ekala-whatever. It appears your ancestors weren't aware of this Ekala-whatever-cum-Oduduwa hence they couldn't mention him in the praise names of your Oba. Let me make it clear again, I don't believe in showing civility to dedicated paranoid asshats, and I give no hoot about your feelings or dishing insults back to me.

Hear directly from the present Oba of Lagos on who the father of all Lagos monarchs is, You are a wannabe without historical roots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 12:07pm On Dec 31, 2020

Obalufon:
Well you can choose your own believe ," you have the right to believe what ever you want but to the outside world is different.. why you don't want to embrace the truth but lies because of ego Samuk you provide no evidence but distortion of history ..Discrediting Ile- ife civilization in your own little brain won't change the fact that ile-ife civilization sent shock waves around the world,, The pride of Afrocentrics , lot of books are written about Ile-ife civilization.. Ancient steps of people called Yorubas are visibly seen all around Africa as far as Sudan.. Do you know how many country in west Africa have Yoruba indigenous tribes ..Pertaining to Ibn battuta our ancient islamic scholars and travellers have documentation about it in ajami.. Do you even know Yoruba have Ajami script ..

The fact that numerous books links Oduduwa to Saudi Arabia or the middle east don't make the story to be true.

Oduduwa Mecca origin is just one of the numerous Yoruba lies written in books.

Yarriba or Yoruba was not a name synonymous with any Nigeria tribes until it was chosen from about a dozen returnee slaves tribes in Sierra Leone to represent all returnee slaves across Africa and the negro of south western Nigeria in 1808 by the white man.

Before 1808, the people of south western Nigeria were known by their various tribes names such as Egba, Oyo, Ijebu, Ekiti, etc. They all assumed Yoruba identity in 1808, not all the people calling themselves Yoruba today were originally included in this group. Ijebu is still struggling with the Yoruba identity.

The political Yoruba people were formed in 1808. Ife was also formed to unite all these formerly different tribes under one umbrella as people of one heritage. This is how the myths of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife started.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 11:05am On Dec 31, 2020

PORNeIlusHUBson:
One Day we go go the Oba palace to hear what he says

You don't have to go to oba Palace to hear what he said. The video of his coronation speech in which he talked about Benin/Ife relationship is on YouTube, you can go and watch it. The Ooni, Sultan, Emir of Kano and all important monarchs across Nigeria and beyond were in attendance.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 10:55am On Dec 31, 2020

Obalufon:
Are you for real ?

Point to the part you disagree with for me to provide you with evidence.

Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 10:33am On Dec 31, 2020*

sesan85:
Dear annoying, stubborn, incorrigible midwit, your ill-educated "fictional Ife" cockamamie has been debunked by even your own Bini ancestors who call your Ife descended Oba "Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife), appellations your dumb ass wasn't even aware of.
Secondly, can you show me any reputable "oral tradition" of Benin (whether local or foreign) which claims Oduduwa Olofin Adimula was some spurious Ekala-whatever, or Izoduwa, or Imadoduwa from Benin predating Erediauwa's 1970s-80s revisionist and ahistorical dross?

How come in the praise names of your Oba, Oduduwa's other name "Adimula" gets a mention (your Oba is also called "ovbi' Adimula" - son of Adimula), but no presence of Ekala-whatever? Again, how come there's an Ugie Odudua (a Bini festival in honour of Oduduwa) and no Ugie Ekala-whatever? Could it be that your Bini ancestors weren't aware that Oduduwa was Ekala-whatever? Unlike TAO11, I don't believe in showing civility to irredeemable knuckleheads who pompously disseminate ignorance and don't care about facts hence I avoid "debating" with colossal clowns like you. You call Ife "fictional Ife" but your own Bini ancestors venerate the same "fictional Ife"? The irony.

An illiterate masks every word with insults to divert attention, this is the practice here on nairaland by the average Yoruba, this can only intimidate someone who have nothing to say. I just zigzag through your insults and see nothing tangible and sensible in your comments as usual.

Someone with sound education and with superior knowledge and information always relishes the opportunity to school the less informed or ignorant. The reason I am always reluctant to reply Yoruba insults most of the time is because, it distracts from the knowledge and education I am passing into your block heads.

Insults doesn't win you an argument and it doesn't distract me from bursting your lies.

In Benin oral tradition, the Benin prince Ekaladerhan assumed the name Izoduwa (I have chosen the part of wealth) which the Yoruba corrupted to Oduduwa. He chose this name because of the circumstances surrounding his escape from Benin to Ife, beside, it's customary for every Benin prince to choose a new name on assumption or when they become an Oba. Benin oral history says Ekaladerhan became oba with the new name Izoduwa AKA Oduduwa in Ife

Enough of the Oral history above because it's nothing but a fantastic myths to the average Benin person. Like every society, Benin also have her myths and this is one of them. Benin rather dwells on real history because Benin is full of history. Yoruba don't have history, so they relish myths and they try to present their myths as history to the less informed.

Even the Yoruba can't prove that Oduduwa wasn't a myth that came into Benin oral history in the 1800s. The reason the Yoruba is fixated with the Benin/Ife connection is without it Yoruba history is nothing.

Yoruba history that started in 1824 when the Europeans first visited Oyo needs Benin history desperately to backdate their history to the 1100s through the fabricated Benin/Ife relationship.

This was a grand conspiracy against the Igbos because it gives the Yoruba history an illegitimate legitimacy above Igbo history.

Yoruba people as we know them today began in 1808 through the amalgamation of freed and returnee slaves with the negro of south western Nigeria.

Sesan85 did you notice that I hardly have any room for insults during the course of this lecture? It's so because I have something to say and a superior knowledge and information than you.

The irrefutable facts.

1. As already stated, modern Yoruba was created in 1808 from descendants of freed slaves from all over Africa and south west Nigeria people.

2. Some of you here are parroting Ife as your new homes because you no longer know where you originally descended from in African because of the circumstance in which your ancestors found themselves in Nigeria amongst the south western people of Nigeria.

3. Most original people or owners of south western Nigeria don't subscribe to Ife or Ooni supremacy, this is still evidence today. After almost 100 years of the political creation of Ife as the cradle of Yoruba nation, the Ooni and Ife is still struggling to gain any recognition from the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu, Olugbo, etc, the superiority of the last Ooni was never recognised by the Alaafin.

4. If Ife was genuinely the cradle of Yoruba civilisation and not a concocted and fabricated lie, there wouldn't have been supremacy tussle amongst south west monarchs.

5. The supremacy of the Benin monarch is not being questioned by any monarchy in the entire south south Nigeria because Benin is real while Ife is a fake political imitation.

6. All Oba of Lagos from present to previous sees the Oba of Benin as their royal father not the Ooni. They see themselves as Benin descendants not Ife.

7. You will hardly see real Ife here on nairaland debating what they know to be lies. Only the wannabe without historical roots are here parroting Ife fabrications and lies.

8. Yoruba can only try to sell theirs lies to those that don't know or have history. Benin itself is history others study and the average Benin person is very much at home with history and can't be intimidated and cowed by insults from nitwits without historical roots.

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Culture › Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 1:21am On Dec 31, 2020

sesan85:
This colossal slowpoke doesn't even know the praise names of his own Oba, smh. And this is the incorrigible dimwit TAO11 has been wasting intellectual energy on?

You demonstrate the hallmarks of an illiterate. Are you not aware that Benin oral tradition says Oduduwa was a Benin prince?

My argument is there is nothing in either Benin or Yoruba history that supports Benin/Ife relationship earlier than 1800s.

Tao is still looking for evidence to prove me wrong. Until then, you guys can continue to fool yourselves with fabrications.

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