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pazienza:
Nothing more than fantasy tales mothers tell children.
Like the stories of tortoise and the birds.

A rational person should know better than to take them literally.

No Bini man is ever named Ezechima, not now, not centuries ago.

Just as common sense should tell you that the tortoise never gave the mother vegetables to cook for it and then killed her when the cooked vegetables she served him was too Small relative to the raw vegetables he gave her to prepare. So should common sense tell you that a Bini man cannot be named Ezechima, irrespective of the fact that our mothers told us those stories in the kitchen.
Those were mere fairy tells. We call it "akuko mbekwu", in Igbo language. Mothers usually tell them to hungry children while they wait for food to get done in the kitchen.

Onitsha people on crossing the river Niger had to settle with Obosi Idemili people. And they were Igbo speaking and never Bini speaking. It was until Obosi had a fall out with Onitsha people that they were driven out of Obosi, and they went to their present location, where they met Ozeh people (An Igbo speaking clan), won them in war and drove them inner land to possesses where you call Onitsha today.

Ndi Idemili met Umuezechima as Igbo speaking people. Never were they Bini speakers. This is history as we know it, which Onitsha monarchy having broken free of "Bini fever" are now affirming today.

I haven't read any book written by the Obi of Onitsha contradicting Zik's and Obi of issele-uku's position on the Benin origin of Ezechima. I rather go with the history as told by the illustrious descendants of Ezechima. The earliest eyewitness historical accounts of Asaba written in 1875 said the Asaba people migrated from Benin and were later amalgamated with the Igbos. If you have any earlier eyewitness historical account of Asaba that says something else, you can share it for all to read.

If Asaba was a Benin town as late as 1875, there is no way Ezechima and his people who crossed into Onitsha in the 1700s, 100 years earlier according to Zik would have spoken Igbo or a variant of the language that latter became known as Igbo, because there is no evidence that the word Igbo existed in the 1700s.

pazienza:
The Yorubas believe Bini monarchy came from Ile Ife , a history Binis will not accept. So I don't know where the agreement you speak of come from.

It is common sense to know that a man called Ezechima cannot be from Bini. Have you seen a Bini man by the name Eze Chima.

We agree that Ezechima lived in the vicinity of Bini.
What we disagree is that he was ever a Bini man. We disagree that we ever met Umuezechima speaking anything but Igbo language, while they claim to be Bini speakers whose interaction with supernatural Igbos made to dump their Bini language for Igbo language.
This history is not acceptable to those of us across the Niger, because its a mockery of our memories and intelligence.

You can't just wake up 300 years after the events and proclaim a different origin that suits your dogma to someone through your common sense after you have been told about that person's origin by descendants of that person.

You as a stranger can't tell the descendants of Ezechima the origin of their forefathers.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..."

SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

MelesZenawi:
When birds are called to meeting, grasshoppers go too to claim they are also birds...Lol


Or have you seen Chameleon in midst of frog make mouth about living in water.....


Please I was talking to Redbonesmith and not some sets of grasshoppers or chameleons...

You are indeed slow, insane and weird as stated, which sane person abandons medical studies to liberate his so called people from behind computer keyboard you need to be liberated from yourself. You must keep taking your medications for your own good.

Who will be so proud to tell the world that he is a dropout other than someone without self worth.

MelesZenawi:
and Rebonesmith was deceiving us all these while

To those gullible Igbos from south east that foolishly believe Anioma or Ika is Biafra or Igbo land, I feel sorry for you, when the time comes, you shall receive the shock of your lives. I have advised in past for Igbo to concentrate their efforts and energy in the five states of south east but the greedy ones want to overreach their hands to south south.

OlaoChi:
You still do not address the post. To make it easiest i will put it in 3 short points

1. Where is the evidence of Ekalederan(or whatever his name really is) in Coronation rites of the Oba and/or Oriki of the Oba
2. No shrine or festival dedicated to the ancestors of the Oba refer to ekalederan, but there is the Oduduwa festival. address this
3. No early narrative of Bini kingdom mentions ekalederan, even European records of the kingdom talk about Ewuare, Esigie, even the Oghene(Ooni) of Ife and indications of his admiration in Bini

it is either you can address these points or can't


PS. oodua, is a contraction of Oduduwa, so is Oranyan (only in Oyo, no one says Oranyan in Ife)
Imadoduwa and Izoduwa are two different names with two different meanings. Ikaledehan, Ekaladeran etc this case here is just lack of consensus on the actual name not dialectical variants or contraction of a single name...thibgs like this usually happen with lies

It's funny how you tried to discredit the Benin version of Ekaladerhan/Oduduwa story but conveniently forgot/silent on the fact that all Yoruba or Yoruba history don't all agree on a common origin of Oduduwa. Like you have raised three questions above, the below questions are also for you to answer:

1. Was Oduduwa a historical figure or myth.

2. Did he climbed down with chains from heaven as claimed by the past Ooni?

3. The present Ooni claimed that the Oonis become the Egyptian God Osiris when they die, so what is the link between Oduduwa and Egypt

4. Is it true that Oduduwa was from Saudi Arabia?

5. What is the real origin of Oduduwa.

Stories likes this with various versions are usually associated with lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N20D43W0uyE&t=135s

TAO11:
Oh really! I’ve been discussing with the Ooni of Ife? I never knew. Please tell me more.

Considering your pea-sized brain; I would summarize the discussion which in itself is simple.

A false claim is made.

I challenged the false claims and requested evidence.

The claimant alleged he was insulted and as such would not prove his claim — while resorting to insults.

Samuk said the claimant (who failed to prove his claim, lied about being insulted while actually insulting his way out) is in fact the Ooni of Ife — and he is correct even though he has admitted his failure to prove his claim.

Samuk, is your brain retarding at the speed of light or at the speed of sound. Which one??

What a coward you are, you left the person that beat you alone to be insulting a bystander. You were beaten and said cheers to your beater and now insulting a witness to your beating. You are really an infertile person. Shift to one side, you are without pride and shame.

Your mumu supporters that do all the insults on your behalf couldn't help you this time. Oh I forgot, they only know how to insult the Benins.

TAO11:
Lol. Would you want to point out where exactly I insulted you?

I would ignore your name calling and insults in the meantime while I wait for you to point out where you were insulted.

In any case, I can understand why you resorted to ad-hominem — you found it impossible to substantiate your claim. Isn’t it?

Cheers!

You are now simply speechless and foaming from the mouth. Your normal we versus them tactics that you use to spread misinformation has failed you this time. I have always said it that those that are far away from Ife will be masquerading as if they are more knowledgeable than the Ooni himself. Omo see disgrace .

Also noticed how the Alaafin started being referred to as Oba after he became British vassal.


1859 to 1875 Adelu, Alaafin
1876 to 1888 Adeyemi I Alowolodu, Alaafin
1888 to 1905 Adeyemi I Alowolodu (as British Vassal), Oba
1905 to 1911 Lawani Agogoja (as British Vassal), Oba
1911 to 1944 Siyanbola Onikepe Oladigbolu I (as British Vassal), Oba
1944 to 1945 Regent (as British Vassal), Oba
1945 to 1955 Adeyemi II Adeniran (as British Vassal), Oba
1955 to 1956 Regent (as British Vassal), Oba
1956 to 1960 Bello Gbadegesin Oladigbolu II (as British Vassal), Oba
1960 to 1968 Bello Gbadegesin Oladigbolu II (as Nigerian Traditional Monarch), Oba
19 November 1970 to Present Lamidi Olayiwola Adeyemi III (as Nigerian Traditional Monarch), Oba
.

AreaFada2:
Ba'ale until 1929/1930, Olubadan until 1955 and Oba from then.

We can see the trend of Oba becoming a sought after title in Yorubaland. Despite denial from the cross dresser and his goons, the trend is clear.

If the title belongs to Yorubaland why was it not the main title until they began attending Western Region traditional rulers conference and witnessing the uniqueness of Benin Monarch as Oba?

Why did Oba title become so trendy suddenly?

I have always posited that it was to bask in the glory and uniqueness of Oba of Benin.

Gregyboy
Etinosa123456
Valirex
Sarah
Samuk
Ghostwon

The revisionist will soon arrive to spin it with irrelevant references and citations.

nocomment1:
Nairaland will get better the day every normal person stops engaging trolls. Don't feed the trolls.
When you see some people who keep following you wherever you go, who talk about you all day everyday. Eventhough they clearly worship you, it is best to step back from engaging them, because they are sick in the head.
Keep a distance between yourself and your stalker.

Stalker: yoruba revisionists.

This is what I said earlier, when you debate those your history is 400 years older than theirs, you will only get insults because they have nothing to showcase.

Imagine you telling a history of how your forefathers used to kill lions and tigers with bare hands and someone jumps out from nowhere to distract you by claiming his/her forefathers also used to kill chickens with bare hands and if you are not careful, you get distracted and start asking for evidence which they can't provide, before you know it, you get dragged through insults.

There are evidence all over the place that Benin's controlled of Yoruba land was near total, from Ijebu which S. JOHNSON claimed were used as sacrifices for Benin gods to eastern Yoruba whose several rulers were beheaded by Benin army, to Lagos that had Benin military garrison as early as 1602, to Oyo whose Alaafin once paid tributes to Benin and relied upon Benin for military protection until the arrival of the British, Benin influence and controlled of Yoruba land can't be denied, don't get distracted by claim of bandits raiding some villages. Infact, Yoruba most famous tribal war, the Kiriji war got it's name from the fearsome sounds, Ki-Ri-ji, of Benin supplied guns. All sides in the Yoruba civil war relied on Benin for the guns they used to kill themselves.

You can't be telling history of a centralised military force that controlled an entire territory and someone is trying to distract you by saying some criminals bandits similar to Oyenusi or Anini raided some villages. What's so special about criminal raids.

They will always come up with all these funny distractions. They should always be referred to their fellow playmates, those whose history started like theirs in 1824 to play it. Just know that if you don't ignore them, it will results to insults.

Benin history is 400 years ahead of others.

nocomment9999:
Our history is studied through precolonial texts and precolonial maps and our artefacts, although with intelligence, not with fraudulent attempts to join made up stories to our artefacts as the yorubas did when claiming that Oba Ovonramwen's bronze of a man on horseback was depicting a man from Ife coming to teach bronze casting to Benin people...ludicrous.

They claim they taught Benin Bronze casting, yet they don't have a flourishing Bronze casting tradition, there is no evidence that they ever had a Bronze casting culture.

They claim they gave Benin a powerful Yoruba Oba, yet the Yoruba themselves don't have powerful Obas comparable to Oba of Benin.

1. Can you teach what you don't have knowledge of?

2. Can you give what you don't have?

Ofunwa111:
Post it na. Do you still need my permission ? lol. It doesn't change what we already know. There was Ekiokpagha Treaty, Yoruba was spoken in the palace, His praise names are in Yoruba and Benin Language.

Benin people told us not another tribe. We stick to this!!

Can you give what you don't have? Ask yourself this simple question, how come that the Yorubas that claimed that they gave Benin a powerful Oba, didn't have any themselves. For over 400 years, 1400s till the British came, the Yoruba didn't have any Oba that was as powerful or comparable to Oba of Benin.

The Ooni of today is a political creation. Show me how many battles outside his Yoruba enclaves the Ooni fault. How many other tribes did that one that call himself imperial majesty defeated in battles and brought under the political, cultural, economic and spiritual leadership of Ife.

I ask again, can you give what you don't have?


Yoruba were not the only ones that play active role in the Benin empire, people from all over Nigeria that had something to offer were welcomed.

People from Akure, Ijaw, Orhobo, Anioma, etc, have at various times rose to the very pinnacle of Benin nobility with only a breath away from being Oba.

The current Iyase of Benin is of Delta Orhobo origin, the grandfather of the current Edo state governor was also an Iyase, he was also from Delta Anioma province of the empire. The Yoruba are only trying to overemphasis their own roles in the empire.

You can't give what you yourself didn't have. The Oyo empire was an audio empire that paid tribute and relied on Benin for military protection until the British came and took over Nigeria.


Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The Alaafin in 1911 seems to have provided his own idea of the power the kings of Benin had once held, from an African (Oyo Yoruba) perspective.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

nocomment9999:
Obviously the person you responded is desperately seeking for attention.
The best reply to that mentally ill scam artist is indifference.

Oba of Benin in Esanland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqF5JhgX0g

You are right, the best strategy is to simply ignore people like her because there is no basis to compare her people's history to Benin history. Absolutely no reason to engage people whose history started in 1824, the gap is too much, to engage is to attract unnecessary insults. Areafather referenced 1700s, if anyone of them must engage, they must also reference that period in time in their history, not jumping to late 18th century over a century from the period being reference to try and score cheap points.

Imagine me referencing 1515 in Benin history and one clever by half individual is saying her people did better things in 1930, 415 years later. It doesn't make sense. When discussing history, unfortunately, Benin has no playmates to discuss it with and anyone of them that dabble into any part of Benin history pre-1800s should be ignored.

If you must acknowledge them, let it be after 1800s because this is when most of their history began. If you engage them in anything earlier than 1800s, all you will get are insults on your history while they try to sell you fabrications as history.

The eyewitness historical accounts of Benin dates back to the 1400s, why theirs dates back to 1824. Always be conscious of this fact in order not to condescend or bring yourself too low.

IDENNAA:
Infantile gibberish!

Cry me a river some more

You rushed into this thread beating your chest, see how you are now being tossed around like a tennis ball. Your comrades have all deserted you, leaving you to bear the brunt of your illogicality.

I said it. How can the cross dresser be on the sidelines without jumping in. How long could she watch from the sidelines, she sees herself as the saviour of the Igbos that cannot hold their own in debates. No, she couldn't just allow the Igbos to sludge it out, she has to get involved to take their glory and take off the shine in their debate.

She felt the Igbos are getting too much beating because they are not as good liars as she, so she has to jump in to save them.

Dartilo:
The two YouTube videos go silent them wella

Only if we were dealing with people with rational minds, these guys are too far gone in their delusion. What kind of people will be having headaches and heartaches in the south east over whom an Anioma king and his people decided to claim affinity with. The river Niger is not enough barrier to prevent these people from having headaches over Anioma affairs.

These guys are more fanatical than the Fulani herdsmen and boko haram combined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E56N6E0Lns8

IDENNAA:
Anyways, you arent a western Igbo , so , no need to continue. It will be more sensible if you spoke Igbo like the western Igbos.

The confusion is real, no I am not western Igbo but northern Igbo Nna calm down, what we are discussing is in the past, that's it. Nothing more.

IDENNAA:
Hey , its okay to tell these ridiculous and embarrassing tales if it soothes your fragile ego but bear it in mind that presently you have absolutely nothing to back your claims up with , except some inferior village head like the fhoolish Nduka who willingly went to embarrass himself. I have had a.ss lickers around me like Nduka Ezeagwuna and it irritates me. Did you see the way your Oba was mockingly laughing at him while he stood there like a willing slave. If you are going to have a vassal let it be something you can beat your chest and be proud of. For instance, Onicha people like to say they are from Bini but it stops right there at the beer parlour. No Onicha man will ever pay homage to anything Bini....they love the Igbo language and culture so much so that they are not willing to taint it with what the we call "Omenani lulu inyi" , dirty traditions. Haven't you see their Ofala , how , elegant , classy , and neatly done. There is nothing dirty in that display. Onicha man will not trade that for anything. We gave them that land , the polish and enrichment in culture.....haha

The last time I checked, we were discussing history. History means the past and not the present, so whatever Onitsha people choose to call themselves now has no relevance to the history we are discussing. You yourself did alluded to their Benin ancestral claim no matter how much you tried to downplay it.

I don't honestly see why the history of Benin causes so much headaches in some. This was in the past, why all the heartache? I don't get it.

nocomment9999:
Clearly these igbo believe us Anioma are their property in some way. What kind of psychopaths think this way ?

Come to think of it, the Igbos can't have Anioma, Ikwerre and rest of south south, what's left? Even within the heartland of south east from Oguta to Nsigidi, they are all falling over themselves to reaffirmed and retrace their Benin ancestry. It must be very hurtful to their dead on arrival Biafra project.

IDENNAA:
With the Igbo you can bet your last dollar we do not take prisoners. This is embedded into our psych , in our culture and beliefs. We are not taking anything away from your Edo culture but the truth must stand no matter how painful it hits you. You can't speak my beautiful language, enjoy my culture then turn around and disparage it just because you heard some tales about some inconsequential chiefdom you want to associate with.

You are very funny, there is absolutely nothing for Benin to discuss or debate with anyone in Nigeria for 400 years, 1400 to 1800, for four hundred years Benin was on it's own and the Nigeria world literally revolved around Benin, Benin was the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. It was not until 1800s that others started being noticed and having voices. You guys should know your historical playmates. Benin is well out of your leagues.

To most of these people history is war that has to be worn by all means neccessarily including lies and especially lies.

Since I shattered one of their leaders world in May 2020 and she went on a long sabbatical only to return back to Nairaland on my comment, she has become obsessed with me, trolling me all over the place looking for opportunities to avenge her past defeat. Imagine quietly reading through a thread of 57 pages, only to jumped in immediately she saw my name.

Whilst it's good to engage these people sometimes for the fun of it, there is really no basis to compare Benin history with any of their histories. Even the Fulani that took over from were Benin stopped are still centuries behind the over 400 years historical achievements of Benin. What is there to debate with these guys other than to engage in a deliberate exercise that will only result to insults.

How do someone whose history is filled with eyewitness evidence since 1400s engaged someone whose eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824 when they first got their European visitor.

It's like someone wearing white outfits engaging in a mud fight in a gutter with someone putting on nothing, these guys have nothing to loose and will only end up robbing mud all over you.

They have absolutely nothing to showcase from 1400 to 1800, over four hundred years. It's easier to pour sand in someone else's garri when you have none, for this simple reason, historical debate between Benin and these people can never be a fair debate, it cannot be anything serious other than pure exercise for entertainment.

It's like Nigeria criticising Germany for making a Mercedes Benz that get damage in an accident, when Nigeria itself cannot manufactured a bicycle spoke. Talk is cheap.

nocomment9999:
You haven't quoted anything. To quote something, you need to provide the original document and its source. You haven't done that !
The precolonial maps which I posted have shown Benin empire/kingdom and its capital Benin city.
oh god, I have responded a fool once again.

This is exactly what she wants. Who doesn't know that Benin was the only place that has City attached to it's name in west Africa, but don't be surprised to see fools coming to ask for prove that Benin City is/was actually called Benin City.

TAO11:
Because we aren’t insecure like the Binis to quickly jump on a foreign nomenclature while dumping ours.

In case you may be wondering, the word ”city” is no longer a Benin word. Just a gentle reminder to a confused slave.

Yes, Pacheco in 1508 called Ijebu-Ode a “Great City”, and I have a copy of his Esmeraldo.

That doesn’t stop us from calling it Ijebu-Ode — our home-grown nomenclature.

The Igbos continue to call their Igbo-Ukwu. Like the Yorubas, they are proud of their home-grown nomenclature. There are not insecure. They are not Binis.

Having quoted from Esneraldo De Situs where Pacheco called Ijebu Ode a City in 1508; can you now quote me the 1400 work you’re referring to where Benin was called a City ?? Lol

This is unlike you, where are your normal avalanches of skewed revisionist references and citations.

I didn't see the Arabic and Coptic translations and interpretations of the word city referring to a Yoruba town. Go back to work, you can do better than this.

nocomment9999:
Let us see, since the 1400's the capital of Benin Empire has been referred to as Benin city.
I am yet to have heard about "ijebu-city" nor of "ijebu empire"...
The last time I checked, the people with the undying reputation of telling lies, duping others were the yoruba.
And as I noticed earlier, they are also the first to accuse others of telling lies.

Notice that once again, the scam artist tao didn't provide the document he claims to quote.

This mentally ill scam artist tao is obsessed with Benin. It is a compulsive thing, he must dive into any topic about Benin, he can't help it.

You are a mind reader, you just read my mind. She has been itching and looking for opportunities to jump into the thread. I was actually tempted not to make her happy by replying her.

This is the same person that once denied Benin ever stepping into Lagos until recently, then, I gave her a 1603, eyewitness European account of Benin in Lagos, she first tried to say it was fabricated, when that didn't work, she then claimed that Benin was invited by the aworis and allocated a small portion of land.

She first denied that the Lagos monarchy is of Benin descent, when shown several historical reports dating back to centuries of Lagos monarchs telling everyone that they were under the Oba of Benin and that every chiefs at installation must salute the Oba of Benin, she claimed that Lagos Obas were only showing appreciation to the Oba of Benin for helping to set up the monarchy.

When she was shown the video of Oba of Lagos saying Oba of Benin is his father, she replied by saying the Oba of Lagos also calls the Alaafin his father.

Then she was shown video of Oba of Lagos saying that the Lagos monarchy was started by a Male descendant of Oba of Benin, she said the Oba of Lagos doesn't know what he was saying.

She was informed that the Oba of Lagos recently revealed during the second coronation anniversary of Oba of Benin that the Benin Palace don't only plays an important role in the installations of Lagos Obas, Benin chiefs are sent to Lagos by Oba of Benin to train the new Oba in his new traditional role. I am still waiting to see how she's going to spin this to her advantage.

They just type nonsense, not minding how ridiculous they sound. Ijebu-Ode City. Lol it's not only Ijebu-Ode City, it's Ijebu-Igbo City.

Tao can spin and lie for Africa.

Ofunwa111:
I wasn't disappointed! It only confirmed my observations about you. What makes it more interesting is that your own brother has seen it. Nigga! face reality, you can't be Igbo.

When several notable people from the east, from your royal fathers to your most accomplished politicians including Zik are telling/told the world that they are of Benin descent, you want me to be Igbo? Guy wake up from your delusion and face reality.

nocomment9999:
I don't see any difference between them and boko haram fanatics who still claim that the earth is flat. We should all blame the nigerian educational system which has produced these people whom are several centuries late compared to most people outside africa.

By being amalgamated with these people, we have actually gone backward as a people. This is why this country should be unbundled for everyone to start deploying their intellect for their development. For people whose city was once compared to a European city of the same era, just look at were we are today because we are lumped together with those that can't think logically.

nocomment9999:
I feel that talking to dumb nairalanders is disgraceful. If only there was an IQ requirement to surf the internet...

The maps you presented should have cured these guys of their ignorance, only if they are in tune with reality.

I don't know how some of these people think they can rewrite history that have already been made and documented.

They argue that Benin was a mushroom kingdom yet this mushroom kingdom.

1. Sent an ambassador to Europe in the 16th century, probably the first African kingdom to do so.

2. An international body of water, The Bight of Benin, running through several countries was named after this their mushroom kingdom.

3. The Benin moat was once considered as the largest man made structure on earth.

4. This mushroom kingdom already established a post in Lagos in the 1500s.

5. The artworks from this mushroom kingdom daily gives the descendants of Africa across the world pride of place whenever they visit international museums.

6. This their mushroom kingdom is the only place in west Africa that was fit enough to be called a City by the Europeans


These guys in their delusion, think that by simply saying Benin was not great, it will magically become so.

It's far too late now for anyone to turn back the hand of time and undo Benin history, Benin made history and it was documented. Any recent revisionist conjecture can't replace eyewitness historical accounts of early Europeans.

Imagine someone saying what the European saw and documented 500 years ago couldn't be true and he/she that was born 500 years after the events is the one saying the truth. I wonder if the inferiority complex these people suffer from has a cure.

nocomment9999:
Yet an other reality denier, you guys have mental issues. Samuk is one of the brightest people on nairaland.

Thanks bro, well appreciated.

Ofunwa111:
Lectures? Admiration ? . Boy, do not even go there. You should have asked yourself why you were not on the list ? Is it not obvious that your brother Gregboy, does not see you as an intelligent chap? Or you think it was a mistake he omitted your name? Nkita lacha anya gi..

And yet you were so disappointed that you have to point it out, you should have simply just ignored it, the very fact that, not only did you notice it but have to point it out speaks volumes. For you to even have my name in your head says alot, it means the name stands out and important enough for you to notice. If indeed you have not be benefiting from my lectures, you wouldn't have noticed that I was missing from the list.

You left a long list of intelligent people and was more concerned and dissappointed that the unintelligent one was missing. Can you listen to yourself.

This thread is 57 pages so far with numerous brilliant submissions, you are still not satisfied until you hear from Samuk. I am sure you will be okay now that you have heard from me. You must have gone through the entire 57 pages looking for my name, yet you want people to believe that I am not important to curing of your ignorance.