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Jozzy4:
then a man is a soul, cos these attributes belong to earthling man .

have u seen your imaginary soul before ? if no, u cant just give human attributes to a non existing entity .

two hands, two feet , two eyes is description of man. expecially the tongue . prove is everywhere. u re a living proof check yourself



who told u they are found with head ? must u lie ? i will take u serious if u also belive Death riding a horse in that same chapter 6 is literal, so also Hades running after the horse of death and stars falling upon the earth . once u belive this as literal , then i will take u serious

DoctorAlien:
Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave!

Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death.

Man and animal have one destination in death. See Eccl. 3:19-22. Now, are animals carried to Heaven too?

DoctorAlien:
Does that verse say the wicked will be alive burning forever?

DoctorAlien:
See Rev. 20:8,9. Satan mobilizes them against GOD. Fire descends and devours them. After devouring, is there anything remaining?

Also, Ezekiel 28:13-18 talks about Satan being burnt to ashes.

What are you saying?

DoctorAlien:
The bolded part: really?

See Psalm 37:9,10. The wicked will be NO MORE! They will CEASE TO EXIST! Please, is this not the definition of annihilation?

DoctorAlien:
You have not answered my question: what scene is Malachi 4:1,3 talking about, if it is not the judgment day?

DoctorAlien:
Psalm 37:9,10 talks about the obliteration of the wicked. How is it you say annihilation is a fallacy?

DoctorAlien:
"He that believeth on the Son [size=14pt]hath[/size] everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of GOD abideth on him" Jn.3:36

If you claim the wicked will be alive forever burning somewhere, how come the Bible says the wicked will not see life?

DoctorAlien:
If Jesus was talking about the fate of man at death in the story of Lazarus, does it mean righteous people are taken to Abraham's bosom at death?

DoctorAlien:
The Bible tells us where man (both righteous and wicked) goes at death. See Eccl. 9:10.

Is Abraham's bosom the grave?

goodnews201668:
This story is a parable not a real life event.

Jesus made use of many parables like the merchant, sowing of seed, virgirns.
All these weren't real or real events.

Concerning Jesus the Bible said:

Matthew 13:34-35English Standard Version (ESV)
Prophecy and Parables

34 All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable. 35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet:[a]

“I will open my mouth in parables;
I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world.”
Footnotes:

Matthew 13:35 Some manuscripts Isaiah the prophet.

So we know why Jesus teaches with illustrations, word pictures and hyperbolic stories.

Now answer me this:
When Jesus said it will be easier for a camel to pass through the needles eye than for a rich man yo enter in God's kingdom,
Was Jesus saying that a camel can pass through the needle's eyes?

Again does it mean that a rich must wait for a Carmel to pass through the needle's eye before he can attain the kingdom?

Please i am waiting for answers.

lepasharon:
What could someone possibly do in one lifetime to deserve an eternity in hell?

dorox:
You don't seem to get the point. Whether Jesus decides to give life to one sinner and allow the other to die in there sin is his prerogative. Just like if you come across two beggers you may decide to give one some money and not give the other any money based on how you perceive them. No one will call you wicked, but to rob or beat one of them will call your character into question.
Adam sinned and because of him we are all dead, but by exercising faith in Christ our sins can be forgiven.

Jozzy4:
ur runaway tactic as usual ,

if u examine Isaiah 34:9,10 , you will see how much it parallels with Rev 14:10,11

both talk about burning day and night, and smoke ascending forever , which begs the question : was the Land of Edom cast into hellfire? or was it destroyed ? the knowledge of this can greatly help a bible student to understand the same context at Rev 14:10,11

what does this passage got to do with what is been discussed ? the context shows Jesus is discussing THE RESSURECTION. matt 22:31, therefore base on this hope, God could view his friends as alive though in reality they are dead

For those who insist this doesnt mean ressurection but that they are actual living , the question : they are exactly Alive , at where ?

DoctorAlien:
The bolded part: what?! Is that what the Bible said?

The Bible said that the fire devoured them. No part of them were remaining. DEVOURED!

DoctorAlien:
If Malachi 4:1,3 is not talking about the final judgment, what then is it talking about?

Also, have you no idea where Abraham is supposedly living now eh?

DoctorAlien:
What question does that answer? Malachi 4:1,3 depicts what will happen at the last day. The wicked will be burnt to ashes. It does not say their flesh will be burnt, and souls spared. Where is that teaching from?

What about Satan who does not have flesh? What about him will be burnt to ashes on that terrible day?

DoctorAlien:
GOD said Jerusalem would burn with a fire that cannot be quenched. Is Jerusalem still burning?

The bolded part: where are they living now?

DoctorAlien:
If the fire devours them, and they still remain to be cast into the lake of fire, then the fire didn't really devour them. eh?

DoctorAlien:
In Jer. 17:27, GOD said that Jerusalem would burn with a fire that shall not be quenched. Is Jerusalem still burning today?

Jozzy4:
if you truly believe the bold , then lets examine a parallel passage with Rev 14:10,11
God warn the nation of Edom
"
And the streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch,
and her soil into sulfur;
her land shall become burning pitch.
Night and day it shall not be quenched;
its smoke shall go up forever.
From generation to generation it shall lie waste;
none shall pass through it forever and ever."
Isa 34: 9,10
was the Land of Edom thrown into hellfire? or was it destroyed ?

DoctorAlien:
Compare Malachi 4:1,3. Can the wicked be alive and still be ashes?

Scholar8200:
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
There you would find your answer.

DoctorAlien:
The beast being talked about here is the Roman empire.

dorox:
They were both deserving of death. In fact we all are deserving of death after our first parents Adam and Eve sinned against God, and brought death into the world of man. But out of the underserved kindness and love God have for the world He sent His Son Jesus Christ to ransome us from our enslavement to sin so that by exercising faith in him we might not perish but be given everlasting life.
So to recap, the wages of sin is death and we are all sinners and are bound to die, whether at the cross, or an accident on the road, or via an illness or through old age, we are all set to die from the day we are born because everyone of us was born a sinner. No amount of self righteousness can ever redeem us from our sin.
Going back to your question, it wasn't justice that made Jesus to promise paradise to the remorseful thief, it was mercy. And it is this same mercy that Jesus has extended to all those who believe in him.
The wicked thief simply paid for his sin with his life. While the remorseful thief had his sin paid for with Jusus' life.

DoctorAlien:
After burning them down to ashes, their ashes will be thrown into the lake of fire?

DoctorAlien:
If the fire devours them, and they still remain to be cast into the lake of fire, then the fire didn't really devour them. eh?

DoctorAlien:
Where is this lake of fire?

DoctorAlien:
Where is this lake of fire?

Jozzy4:
Mixjanet point that Jesus said her point too. so u have no excuse.

the tongue is a material property, when a man dies , it follow him to his Grave to decompose

so tell me, which tongue are you talking about? cos have not seen a dead man whose tongue disappeared.

this Link to the other question, why are the eyes, two feet and two eyes not vanishing to hell, why are they still found in the coffin?

DoctorAlien:
Compare Malachi 4:1,3. Can the wicked be alive and still be ashes?

Jozzy4:
that means the beast are not literal beast, the question is : how then can Symbolic beast be cast into a literal lake of fire ? if the Beast is symbolic , does that not make the lake of fire into which this symbolic beast is thrown symbolic too ?

Jozzy4:
wow, Eyes and tongue, ... properties of an immaterial soul ?


this is getting interesting

goodnews201668:
You seem not get it, Gehenna of Matthew 10:28 is different from the lake of fire mentioned in revelation.

They all figurative.

Gehenna is not a place for eternal torment, jesus said ones soul and body can be destroyed their.
He also talked about cutting off of one's body parts like eyes, legs and so and throwing it inside Gehenna so he is not saying that our eyes or other parts thrown inside their will be tormented.
That shows the fire symbolises destruction, in other words Jesus is saying destroy those things be it body parts that will make you loose the kingdom.

Again Revelation's lake of fire is not the same as Gehenna,
It's says hell and death will be thrown inside,
Again it's symbolic.
What does it symbolize? The Bible clearly stated it means "second death" or final destruction.

So the two portins doesn't support hellfire!