₦airaland Forum

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xaggar:
All childish...especially your imitation. You can't be original. Just cos South Africa has it that way makes u guys think u can have it that way.

By the way, what's the colour of the mined skull or head you have in the centre? Brown?
Cataract filled eyes of yours wouldn't know.

What you talking 'bout man?

What imitation? Does that flag in any way look like South Africa's flag? WTF
And again, I ask you again, where did you see brown? Do you have any sense of color at all?

The only heads that will be mined is the head of those who can't mind their business..... And I know you are a southern minority most likely.

xaggar:
One flag: Colour riot.
Red, white, blue, green, yellow, brown.

Childish!

Pele .... Mr childish.

South African flag has Blue, Green, Black, Yellow/Gold, Red, White

It has been constantly voted as one of the most beautiful flags in the world.

Just say you are pained!... if you no like am na your own apollo be that.
Btw... where did you see brown? Do you have early onset glaucoma>?

The terminal from which the Super Eagles team departed for Porto novo.

In truth, it is beautiful.

See patronization. What is a military head of state and two term civilian president going to say anyways?

There is already a conscious effort to exterminate minority groups and appropriate their lands and resources ALREADY ONGOING in Nigeria..
Any minority who thinks the continuous existence of Nigeria will protect them from harm is surely living in fool’s paradise.. especially in light of everything happening bow.

If you know you know...

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Military training as in how>. ?

Nigeria is GONE i swear.

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The Police Public Relations Officer in the State, ASP Muhammad Jalige, in a statement, expressed concerns about the nature of the crime which he said was “perpetrated by agents of doom in their quest to set the State ablaze”.

Muhammad Jalige....

gregyboy:
When you're talking be afraid because am not just a benin am a benin fanatics i study the benin history for fun.... So i know the in amd out of benin history



Those names you mentioned there are corrupt benin words


Atuwatse = a pure bini word cant find another word as examoke now

Omoluyiri in benin is = omoruyi

Atorongboye = erhiagbonye

And the others from their meaning you can tell the actual word version in edo

Oga, those names are not what you are making them out to be... They are pure Yoruba names

Atorongboye for example is - He who came from the abode of the gods (Orun in Yoruba, Oron in SE Yoruba) to claim the throne

same with all the others. .... Anyways, I dont have time for all this. Suit yourselves with fantasies.

Owologbo:
Face front. you never claim Ilaje in Ondo that's in your domain, na Delta State you want salaye go.

Owologbo:
No, the Itsekiri are not Yorubas.
Rather, Yorubas are Itsekiri.

All na semantics and unnecessary ping pong.

If you like say Yorubas are Itsekiri, if you like say Itsekiris are Yoruba, nothing spoil. we own ourselves. They are welcome on OUR LAND for FREE They can claim all 50 million of us... we dey for them!

Daum:
LOL who told you that
Actually the Olu dynasty was started by a Benin blood and ijaw blood. Forget that tale of Benin speaking Yoruba. Benin had numerous neighbors and we communicated well with all our neighbors

They had numerous neighbours...so what? Everyone has numerous neighbours.... Abi is there anyone here living in Antarctica?
Which of the numerous neighbours spoke your language? That is the koko... Igbos speak Igboid languages, Yorubas speak Yoruboid languages.

ogbonti:
The Itsekiri tribe may have yoruba words but you forget that the Ruling house of Warri which all Itsekiris proudly accept and gave the legitimacy to rule over them for centuries is 90% Benin

It was Prince Ginuwa, the Elsest son of Oba Olua and the sons of 70 Benin Chiefs that started the Warri Kingdom

That is why you have Chieftaincy titles in Warri like Obazuaye, Ologbotsere, Iyatsere (Iyase) Ezomo, Uwangue, etc - These are Benin titles so you can not remove the Warri crown from deep Benin roots and any attempt to impose yorubas mix to it waters down the sophistication of the tradition and culture of Oluship in Warri

Let me even say that for argument sake you are right (which you are not, because that 3% is Benin royalty who are ultimately Yorubas who spoke Yoruboid dialects and hence how they easily blended with the Itsekiris).. The ruling family you are claiming have already made it known via a unanimous decision that Tsola Emiko is the Olu in waiting....

Atuwatse, Atorongboye, Omoluyiri, Abejoye, Akenjoye, Omagboye were ALL the official royal appelations of previous Olus of the Warri Kingdom, what do those mean in Benin??

So what is the argument about again? ....

Daum:
The 3% is the ruling house

Let me even say that for argument sake you are right (which you are not, because that 3% is Benin royalty who are ultimately Yorubas who spoke Yoruboid dialects and hence how they easily blended with the Itsekiris).. The ruling family you are claiming have already made it known via a unanimous decision that Tsola Emiko is the Olu in waiting....

So what is the argument about again?

zeusdgrt:
Keep deceiving urself

The truth of the matter is that you are the one deceiving yourself here, not me.

Itsekiris don't understand BINI Language...

Come in Itsekiri is WA... What is it in yours?
Cloth in Itsekiri is Asho... what is it in yours?
Family is Ebi while people is ARA... What is it in Bini?

Thank ORITSE for English and pidgin that Oyibos brought, itsekiris would have been like Fish out of water in Benin city.... while they would blend in perfectly anywhere in Coastal Yorubaland.

ogbonti:
what do you know about the Warri Kingdom?

The name "OGIAME" that every Olu of Warri is called is not a yoruba name- It is a Bini name - do you know that?

They are 97% Yoruba and 3% Benin.
PeriooodT

Itsekiris and Yorubas are inseparable... We both have ifa, ogun and umalokun. Benins have some too but got it from us.

Besides, Itsekiris don't understand BINI Language...

Come in Itsekiri is WA... What is it in yours?
Cloth in Itsekiri is ASHO... what is it in yours?
Family is EBI while people is ARA... What is it in Bini?
Food is Oje, Soup is Obe, Fish is Eja, Water is Omi, Oil is Ekpo, Medicine/20/War/Talisman is Ogun, Dance is Jo.... I can go on forever.

Thank ORITSE for English and pidgin that Oyibos brought, Itsekiris would have been like Fish out of water in Benin city.... while they would blend in perfectly anywhere in Coastal Yorubaland.... Nigeria is the only place where some people will think they have the right to 'claim' others who don't even understand their language as if those ppl are a conquered or servile race, and yet everyone is busy complaining about Fulanis while doing the very same things and worse in their backyards..... No wonder the whole country is upside down.

I think what itsekiris need is a demographic/population boost from Southern Yorubaland.
They are being bullied in their own kingdom by slightly larger neighbours because they are at a demographc disadvantage.....

By the way... Ondo and Delta share a direct border... why is there no direct road linking the two states yet? (Hmmn, just checked my map, and the terrain looks impossible).... More Ikales and ilajes need to migrate to Delta and blend in with the Itsekiris.

The ijaws are doing it with their creek camps in Edo and Ondo State, the Yorubas should do the same.

Ogungbemi01:
We don't want the anti Yoruba rule, it is a ploy by the Binis to separate us from our brothers. Since they use mid west to separate us from the West, Binis have been trying to annex our land in Edo State. We don't understand Bini language neigther does Bini understand our language. If you cast a news in Yoruba language in Itsekiri area, every body will understand what the news caster is saying . Likewise if the news is read in Itsekiri. They connive with some self centered Itsekiri leaders to produce the vexecious edict. Omadino people are from Ode in Ogun state while Ugborodo people are from Ugbo in Ondo state. How will you convince Omadinor people that a child born by their sister from Ogun state is not qualified to sit on the throne in a kingdom where they are major stake holders? How do you also convince Ugborodo people who are the highest oil producers in Delta State that their sister from Ondo state cannot give birth to a king to rule over their land? In fact the edict is very annoying to our people. No body want to hear it. The people have trashed the edict.

Exactly why it didn't make any sense whatsoever to me when I heard three years ago that someone can only be Olu if the mother is Benin or Itsekiri, when we all know that Itsekiri is a Yoruboid speaking group that partially fused their surrounding neighbours.

If this is true, then it is great that the people have gotten back their voice if that is what the majority of Itsekiris want. A king's rule is only validated by the people he rules over.

Efewestern:
Atuwatse has three sons, Prince Tsola and Prince Toju's mom is from OGUN, Prince Omatsola's mom is from Lagos. From all indications, the ruling house wants to end the anti-yoruba rules.

So the tussle is between the three sons of Olu Atuwatse and not between his son and the son of olu ikenwoli?

Efewestern:
Was able to read something similar from a verified source: https://www.independent.ng/olu-of-warri-stool-why-prince-tsola-emiko-was-disqualified/

It looks like the ruling house isn't comfortable with the Edict that excluded their parent tribe and they claim it was implemented without proper consultation of the people.

According to the above source, the Prime Minister has been suspended for initially disqualifying Prince Tsola. Also, it looks like the mothers of the three contesting princes are from Yoruba.

Quite complex.

Three? Who is the third one?

I only know about Prince Shola and prince Oyowoli. Who is the third?

Printerscanner:
They are MAD. They should go and get their older children to teach the younger ones. Devil will punish their papa. No Yoruba will GI and teach useless Patigi children. I am half Kwara State, half Ogun State, so I know what I am saying

Why?

King of Kogi?

Okayy na.

It isn't 100% balanced sha.... but not that bad compared to previous appointments we have seen from Buhari.
SE is a bit lower than average but I think that can also be attributed to the fact that they have just 5 states. NC is also higher than average which is unusual.

Mtcheeew

Igboid:
Not that I agree with the OP. But on the above, does Yorubas know where and how their language came from?

I will indulge you my good MR and simply state that that statement of mine was based on the fact that I know Exactly what the OP was trying to do.
I know you hav a real interest in WA cultures and linguistics ...
To your question, NO nobody can say exactly that they know exactly or precisely where Yoruba as a language originated from. But of all the YEAI languages, Yoruboid languages have the larger presence and range around the Niger benue-confluence area. Infact if the Ebiras hadn't migrated downstream / west from an area probably around the upper reaches of the Benue, Yoruba and Igala would have shared geographical contiguity which would have allowed for some dialectal levelling to occur. So at least it only makes sense to place the intermediate point of Origin/Ethnogenesis around that part of the continent. Anything into deeper pre-history is really beyond any of us.

Hellraiser77:
Your submission is wrong on all levels considering the fact that the igala area was where the ancestors of yoruba people originated from.

The YEAI group of languages belong to the "KWA" group but the "Kw" is conspicuously missing in the yoruba tongue but extensively used in igala, "Ch" is also missing from yoruba but present in igala, the most unfortunate is the "Z".

All these are pointers to the fact that yoruba was simply just an over simplified igala language that allowed for easy communication with both themselves and their new neighbors

Oga get with the times, YEAI is not under Kwa group. That was a defunct classification. Kwa ends in Akan.

Even that [CH] you see in Igala isn't always pronounced as [Tʃ] but most times as [Sh] Just like Yoruba... So a name like Ojochonu or Ojochide is 70% of the time just "Ojoshonu/Ojoshide" and just some of the time (30%) actually pronounced as such....

Mind you, there is no [S] as in "Soup" in Igala. It was the catholic missionaries like the Qua Iboe church mission - who had worked earlier along the eastern flanks of the Niger that came on to give Igala a written orthography and settled for [CH] to represent that sound in their language probably because those were the first igala groups that had contact with, many were also Igbo and their own indigenous language interfered in the transcribing process.

..... If in an hypothetical scenario, xtian missionaries had entered Yorubaland from the east rather that from the west and south, Standard Yoruba might have had CH which is present in Owo (Ogho) Yoruba speech.

Second point, you don't realize is that GWA, KWA, KYA are simply the same as GUA, KUA and KIA. How you chose to represent such morphemes graphically is up to each group. If I wanted to say "Ku Abo" (Welcome) in Yoruba - without adhering to vowel elision, you realize it would sound just like KWABO right? A Yoruba word like Kia-Kia (Quickly) could have been spelled "Kya-Kya" in an alternative universe.
An Edo name like Eguaikhide can as well be Egwaikide. A name like Ekua in Ghana can just as well be EKWA.

Also, your theory that the absence of Z or CH (which btw is present in certain dialects) in Yoruba is a waterproof formula to date antiquity is just funny because that proves nothing really. You have an example with some of the oldest human languages in East Africa among the nilotes and nile valley civilizations having a very simple phonetic inventory. Every language innovates independently.

Are the Akan languages older than Igbo for having al those sounds you listed plus extra such as KY, GY, DW, BR and so forth? Your assessment is very ridiculous to say the least.

Hellraiser77:
You conveniently left out the fact that igbo is the oldest of YEAI languages, IGBO language became a distinct language at the earliest followed by Edo, this two languages flourished side by side in the rain forests before some ancestors of modern yoruba decided that their homelands in modern kogi was getting too dry and started moving westwards at first then southwards later.

Igbo is the oldest of the YEAI Languages followed by Edo proven by WHOM?

Just pulling out things from your bare butt I see.... where exactly in Kogi was getting too dry? Laughable.
The natural geographic spread of Yoruboid languages is far larger than those of Igboid languages. Common sense only suggest that they must have been moving around within West Africa for longer.

ok

As for the Igbo language mentioned by the OP, Even Igbos don't know how their language came to be nor where it came from.... It is the most oblique of the YEAI languages, having received very heavy influence from Benue-Congo languages found both to their north and east.

Igala is just Yoruba language corrupted by Jukun and Idoma (Kwararafa) accent.

The corruption of the original proto-Yoruba tongue into modern Igala happened when their ancestors broke off from the main branch west of the Niger Benue confluence into the area east of it. That is why the bulk of Yoruboid language speakers are on the west, while Igala is the only appendage on the other side with unrelated neighbors..... Igala shares ZERO mutual intelligibility with all the languages surrounding it. Its closest linguistic neighbours and ancestors start from the Lokoja area all the way to Central Togo.

EastisBae:
The helicopters and other machines you claimed to have exported, were they manufactured in Nigeria?

Rubbish!!

Ohh, but you would want us all to believe innoson cars are 'manufactured' in Nigeria even though Nigeria does not produce rolling steel in any appreciable quantity.....

Iscoalarcon:
the fact still remains Amina is a revered queen that brought legacy to herself and land and will always be remembered while your useless queen remains a nobody whose name will never be mentioned by anyone except afonjas like you

lol so says the hopeless Almajiri from Northeast.