Ogungbemi01:

We don't want the anti Yoruba rule, it is a ploy by the Binis to separate us from our brothers. Since they use mid west to separate us from the West, Binis have been trying to annex our land in Edo State. We don't understand Bini language neigther does Bini understand our language. If you cast a news in Yoruba language in Itsekiri area, every body will understand what the news caster is saying . Likewise if the news is read in Itsekiri. They connive with some self centered Itsekiri leaders to produce the vexecious edict. Omadino people are from Ode in Ogun state while Ugborodo people are from Ugbo in Ondo state. How will you convince Omadinor people that a child born by their sister from Ogun state is not qualified to sit on the throne in a kingdom where they are major stake holders? How do you also convince Ugborodo people who are the highest oil producers in Delta State that their sister from Ondo state cannot give birth to a king to rule over their land? In fact the edict is very annoying to our people. No body want to hear it. The people have trashed the edict.

Exactly why it didn't make any sense whatsoever to me when I heard three years ago that someone can only be Olu if the mother is Benin or Itsekiri, when we all know that Itsekiri is a Yoruboid speaking group that partially fused their surrounding neighbours.

If this is true, then it is great that the people have gotten back their voice if that is what the majority of Itsekiris want. A king's rule is only validated by the people he rules over.

Efewestern:


Atuwatse has three sons, Prince Tsola and Prince Toju's mom is from OGUN, Prince Omatsola's mom is from Lagos. From all indications, the ruling house wants to end the anti-yoruba rules.

So the tussle is between the three sons of Olu Atuwatse and not between his son and the son of olu ikenwoli?

Efewestern:




Was able to read something similar from a verified source: https://www.independent.ng/olu-of-warri-stool-why-prince-tsola-emiko-was-disqualified/

It looks like the ruling house isn't comfortable with the Edict that excluded their parent tribe and they claim it was implemented without proper consultation of the people.

According to the above source, the Prime Minister has been suspended for initially disqualifying Prince Tsola. Also, it looks like the mothers of the three contesting princes are from Yoruba.

Quite complex.

Three? Who is the third one?

I only know about Prince Shola and prince Oyowoli. Who is the third?

Printerscanner:
They are MAD. They should go and get their older children to teach the younger ones. Devil will punish their papa. No Yoruba will GI and teach useless Patigi children. I am half Kwara State, half Ogun State, so I know what I am saying

Why?

King of Kogi?

Okayy na.

It isn't 100% balanced sha.... but not that bad compared to previous appointments we have seen from Buhari.
SE is a bit lower than average but I think that can also be attributed to the fact that they have just 5 states. NC is also higher than average which is unusual.

Mtcheeew

Igboid:


Not that I agree with the OP. But on the above, does Yorubas know where and how their language came from?

I will indulge you my good MR and simply state that that statement of mine was based on the fact that I know Exactly what the OP was trying to do.
I know you hav a real interest in WA cultures and linguistics ...
To your question, NO nobody can say exactly that they know exactly or precisely where Yoruba as a language originated from. But of all the YEAI languages, Yoruboid languages have the larger presence and range around the Niger benue-confluence area. Infact if the Ebiras hadn't migrated downstream / west from an area probably around the upper reaches of the Benue, Yoruba and Igala would have shared geographical contiguity which would have allowed for some dialectal levelling to occur. So at least it only makes sense to place the intermediate point of Origin/Ethnogenesis around that part of the continent. Anything into deeper pre-history is really beyond any of us.

Hellraiser77:
Your submission is wrong on all levels considering the fact that the igala area was where the ancestors of yoruba people originated from.

The YEAI group of languages belong to the "KWA" group but the "Kw" is conspicuously missing in the yoruba tongue but extensively used in igala, "Ch" is also missing from yoruba but present in igala, the most unfortunate is the "Z".

All these are pointers to the fact that yoruba was simply just an over simplified igala language that allowed for easy communication with both themselves and their new neighbors

Oga get with the times, YEAI is not under Kwa group. That was a defunct classification. Kwa ends in Akan.

Even that [CH] you see in Igala isn't always pronounced as [Tʃ] but most times as [Sh] Just like Yoruba... So a name like Ojochonu or Ojochide is 70% of the time just "Ojoshonu/Ojoshide" and just some of the time (30%) actually pronounced as such....

Mind you, there is no [S] as in "Soup" in Igala. It was the catholic missionaries like the Qua Iboe church mission - who had worked earlier along the eastern flanks of the Niger that came on to give Igala a written orthography and settled for [CH] to represent that sound in their language probably because those were the first igala groups that had contact with, many were also Igbo and their own indigenous language interfered in the transcribing process.

..... If in an hypothetical scenario, xtian missionaries had entered Yorubaland from the east rather that from the west and south, Standard Yoruba might have had CH which is present in Owo (Ogho) Yoruba speech.

Second point, you don't realize is that GWA, KWA, KYA are simply the same as GUA, KUA and KIA. How you chose to represent such morphemes graphically is up to each group. If I wanted to say "Ku Abo" (Welcome) in Yoruba - without adhering to vowel elision, you realize it would sound just like KWABO right?
An Edo name like Eguaikhide can as well be Egwaikide. A name like Ekua in Ghana can just as well be EKWA.

Also, your theory that the absence of Z or CH (which btw is present in certain dialects) in Yoruba is a waterproof formula to date antiquity is just funny because that proves nothing really. You have an example with some of the oldest human languages in East Africa among the nilotes and nile valley civilizations having a very simple phonetic inventory. Every language innovates independently.

Are the Akan languages older than Igbo for having al those sounds you listed plus extra such as KY, GY, DW, BR and so forth? Your assessment is very ridiculous to say the least.

Hellraiser77:
You conveniently left out the fact that igbo is the oldest of YEAI languages, IGBO language became a distinct language at the earliest followed by Edo, this two languages flourished side by side in the rain forests before some ancestors of modern yoruba decided that their homelands in modern kogi was getting too dry and started moving westwards at first then southwards later.

Igbo is the oldest of the YEAI Languages followed by Edo proven by WHOM?

Just pulling out things from your bare butt I see.... where exactly in Kogi was getting too dry? Laughable.
The spread of Yoruboid languages is far larger than those of Igboid languages. Common sense only suggest that they must have been moving around within West Africa for longer.

ok

As for the Igbo language mentioned by the OP, Even Igbos don't know how their language came to be nor where it came from.... It is the most oblique of the YEAI languages, having received very heavy influence from Benue-Congo languages found both to their north and east.

Igala is just Yoruba language corrupted by Jukun and Idoma (Kwararafa) accent.

The corruption of the original proto-Yoruba tongue into modern Igala happened when their ancestors broke off from the main branch west of the Niger Benue confluence into the area east of it. That is why the bulk of Yoruboid language speakers are on the west, while Igala is the only appendage on the other side with unrelated neighbors..... Igala shares ZERO mutual intelligibility with all the languages surrounding it. Its closest linguistic neighbours and ancestors start from the Lokoja area all the way to Central Togo.

EastisBae:
The helicopters and other machines you claimed to have exported, were they manufactured in Nigeria?

Rubbish!!

Ohh, but you would want us all to believe innoson cars are 'manufactured' in Nigeria even though Nigeria does not produce rolling steel in any appreciable quantity.....

Iscoalarcon:
the fact still remains Amina is a revered queen that brought legacy to herself and land and will always be remembered while your useless queen remains a nobody whose name will never be mentioned by anyone except afonjas like you

lol so says the hopeless Almajiri from Northeast.

Iscoalarcon:
Ife been the cradle of afonjas is a great city but your Queen Luwoo is a nobody so shut off

And what is the significance of your zaria? Absolutely nothing.

Amina is just a useless man killer and nothing else, Ashewo that sleeps with men secretly and kills them early the next morning... Okpo!

Iscoalarcon:
Amina is not an ordinary queen( wife of a queen) but the ruler of her people that's what makes her different from low budget queens like Luwoo et al

silly response

Queen Luwoo was the RULER and QUEEN of Ife, crade of the Yorubas. Zaria is just a backwater Hausa city and doesn't even have that much significance in the annals of Hausa history, so keep quiet.

too bad

wow

ddx

PLEASE why exactly should that number 1 (Amina of Zazzau) be there?

Or am I missing something? The only reason why it is spectacular that a woman occupied a role of leadership in society is because she is a northern figure.
The likes of Queen Luwoo of Ife, Moremi, Efunsetan Aniwura, Queen Idia of Benin and several others have always been venerated female models in other Nigerian regions way before the likes of queen Amina. And yet she deserves to be there because her own is different or..... I don't get.

Beautiful.

Their people are destitute and without food all over their own region from Kaduna to Northern Niger state to Borno to Katsina but they are there threatening to starve SouthWest to death. ... Jokers.

Omoluabi1stborn:

Done thanks.

You be MVP.

That silly map is from BBC.... and you know that anything which involves them is......

Omoluabi1stborn:
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If anyone is not okay with it, let him or her move out and go back to his/her hut in his/her region

This should be done in all SW states.
Yoruba regional integration, taking shape

God Bless South West
God Bless all Yoruba lands
God bless all Yoruba People

Niice one, but please remove that first map from the BBC.

It is an incorrect representation of Ooduwa land.

Is this 'half caste' a Nigerian like this?

mmsen:


How did the whole 'Yoruba nation' thing pan out? Slave raids and trading in which Africans got the worst end of the deal. Did it not end in the British (a unified force) meddling in your affairs and then eventually usurping power altogether? Why the rush to go back to a failed experiment?

The Scots voted against independence, the only reason they might want it now is to rejoin the EU. Which suggests that their desire for tribal pride is less important than trade and cooperation with their European neighbors.

And nobody even mentions the 'Cornish' as a separate entity in 2021.

If only Africans could put their own petty tribal pride to one side and join forces with their neighbors....

Please when did you become the spokesperson for Cornish celtic people to determine if they should have an identity or not?

And yes, I welcome the idea of joining forces with neighbours OF LIKE MINDS ..... not neighbours that will perpetually pull you back on your way to progress.

I can bet you the Scottish people wouldn't have stayed half as long if Britain was a retrogressive shithole. At least their progress since the coming together of the English and Scottish crowns is measurable, (that is if you ignore the obliteration of their language and culture of course).

You call the Yoruba nation a failed experiment, Who in their right minds wants to continue with the monumental failure and tragedy called Nigger-area?

How does all this even have anything to do with me praising the achievements of Yoruba people around the world? You have major issues brah.

mmsen:


Nigeria is 'nation', the petty entities within it are not.

Those people you listed have built countries - The British have the Scots, the Welsh, the (northern) Irish. Germany has Saxons and Bavarians and others but they are within a single country.

And those people do not take pride in building other nations at the expense of their own because a sane man realizes that is foolishness.

Sorry, Nigeria is not a Nation.

I am Yoruba before Nigerian and an ethnic group of 50 million individuals is by no means a "Petty entity".... you can be Nigerian before your own ethnic group, that is up to you. A Scot insecure about the achievements of the Welsh, Cornish or English has major self issues.

Mrbillionaire:


I'd prefer goat rearing. Let me research.

And goats can be raised in large number across the south without any major issues.

OyinO:


Nansense!

Ntoooooor!

mmsen:


Your comment is but an example of how feeble minded the average African is. Which is why the continent is in the condition it is in.

pele ooo

mr feeble minded African..

You think the British and French and the Germans don't toot their own ethnic and national achievements.
Get out of here man.

mmsen:


I wish Africans knew:

1) How STUPID their petty tribalism is.

2) How STUPID it is it fix another man's house while your own is burning.

Gbogbo eleyii ko neccesstri...

Why are you so pained by a simple comment?