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Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 8:46pm On Jul 02, 2022
wirinet:
It's doesn't work with the Chinese. Many countries have tried that and it had always failed. Why? Because the Chinese government resort to "dumping". They reduce (subsidise)the price of their product to meet whatever tariff you place. The Chinese strategy is econonics of scale. They make profit from shear scale of production instead of price mark up on individual items. They have excellent infrastructure, very low interest rate and strict government control, its very difficult for even US and Europe to compete.
They can only do that to key China vital exports to countries like USA that do serious numbers.
It'll be stupid for China to devalue its currency or start subsidising Tecno phone sales ,toothpick,tissue and table cloth that is going to Nigeria from China.
They're not that stupid please.
You cannot use economies of scale to beat super high tarrifs oga,those countries China do that shit with is the ones that they do serious bilateral trade with because both parties have a lot to lose and will end up at a compromise,
Not one way markets like Nigeria that can decide to frustrate imports from there and there's nothing China can use to hold them back ,except probably loans they'll ask for with immediate effect.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 8:34pm On Jul 02, 2022
wirinet:
You obviously are not in the real (productive) business. Probably you are an admin person. I have undertaken many productive businesses. Steel (and recently plastics) is the backbone any industrialisation. countries use steel bans and tarrif as an effective weapon in a diplomatic or economic war. Nigeria's industrialisation was stalled because of the failure of Ajaokuta and Delta steel industries. Nations without steel deposits import from other countries.
The way you people assume and throw words around without knowing who you're talking to baffle me a lot.
Oga there are countries that have developed their steel sector so much that the economies of scale they've acquired on it has made them unbeatable in the international steel market.
They can produce it cheaper and sell cheaper and make Nigeria investing on it stupid since an industrialist can always import from those countries way cheaper than he would have gotten buying from Nigeria.
You don't just go about investing out of emotions.
Steel isn't a sector that has an international cartel like OPEC that fixes it's price worldwide.
If not for OPEC,Nigeria oil would have been useless because countries like US,Saudi,Russia would have use their capacity to make Nigeria oil unsellable and useless.
We can discuss without you throwing words around please.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 8:23pm On Jul 02, 2022
Kennedyli:
Devaluation or not? Banks are businesses and have shareholders to satisfy. How would theuy gix the rate if the naira isn't stable?
Or are you suggesting the government fund personal loans, mortgages and others? When above 80%of Nigeria's revenue is going for debt servicing. Which money will government use to fix electricity, roads, and others? You guys should be realistic with your projections. You fell for buhari and here you are projecting the same unattainable talking points.
Rates wouldn't matter to them much if the CBN is giving them bigger credit(increase credit limit),isn't that so?
Commercial banks can't be talking about devaluation affecting their profits for long term loans/mortgages when the capital they used to finance those loans isn't theirs or was gotten on credit from CBN.
They can hedge against devaluation and make profits for their shareholders from commercial loans and use the excess credit gotten from CBN to finance long term ones.
And please,credit isn't free money mr man,they'll repay.
Did FG/CBN tell you that naira based debt servicing is their problem?Did they tell you they lack naira?
Where they have issues on debt servicing is foreign dollar based loans as they have to earn it before they repay.
The only thing they'll own here is liability for default, not devaluation as whatever transaction they make with CBN is naira based.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 8:03pm On Jul 02, 2022
Saintinoo:
For you to develop the manufacturering sector, you must develop the power and mining sector. Where will the manufacturers get raw materials from. Ask innoson how much has spend on steel, Dangote how much he spends to get lime stone. These raw materials should be made available and easy to get by manufacturers.

And about China, those guys are having a field day because the government is corrupt.
Steel mining isn't developing here because of cheaper imports of the same steel.
It's not government's place to make steel available for industry,let the private sector handle that if they can.
I also don't think we aren't manufacturing a great deal because of lack of mining capacities.
There are great nations out there that don't even have steel deposits.
How then did they do it?
Only thing they need to fix is power.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 7:59pm On Jul 02, 2022
wirinet:
With diesel at 900/litre, horrible roads and multiple taxation - both legal and illegal? Remember the SMEs will have to compete in terms of price and quality with SMEs in China, Vietnam and India.
Easy fix,increase Chinese and India import tarriff at the ports to offset local cost disadvantage inefficiencies. cool
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 7:54pm On Jul 02, 2022
Kennedyli:
Yea. It's easy to compare Nigeria that is suffering from massive currency devaluation to the U.S.

Interest rate in U.s and u.k is below 10%. Is your bank giving loans less than 25%? Think banker.
25%?
It's not that bad yet,commercial banks are still doing 17-19%.
Banks are giving high interests because MPR is still double digit.
If CBN reduces MPR,bank will reduce lending rates.Its not rocket science.
And yes,banks can give longterm credit if CBN also gives them long term credit facilities(mentioned this cos I saw where you talked about the impossibility of banks to give long term credit because of unstable naira).
Devaluation or not.
Afterall it's not their money.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 7:48pm On Jul 02, 2022
PHOTSEE:
You just made me laughed in your first and second assumptions. Coming to the bolded

Do you thing it is only, employee, entrepreneurship (small bussines) and big corporation can be a source of income to the masses, what happens to investment as a source of income, oh the capital market does not matter! But we have the elite at the realms (such as damgota) using it for capital sourcing for their various project, being issued to the public (mass). When you talk about finance i expect you to face it squarely.
Where did I say capital market isn't important?
I said we don't need foreign investors in our capital market at this point in our economy because they're the ones putting strain on our naira because they'll eventually have to repatriate their profits/capital.
Let them leave the capital market for Nigerians to invest in ,who might have little to no need to use whatever naira they make from it to be chasing fx.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 7:08pm On Jul 02, 2022
PHOTSEE:
And who told you that this current administration of buhari never implimented your so called credit polices rolling but what was the outcome?
What do you thing lead to the private loaning company holding sway in Nigeria if not for the fisical policy of buhari ,where your so call government and cbn failed.

You talk of inflation and you want free money in circulation. How is this possible, no production , no manufacturing industries , no sources of employment, inshort productivity.

I know your have had about money flight by great investors.
So it was Buhari's credit policy reform that brought about Chinese loan sharks revolutionalising Nigeria's credit space? shocked shocked shocked
I no be know ooo.. grin grin cheesy
So Nigeria basically failed because it didn't attract enough loan sharks to come and give 50% interest,short term credit to vulnerable Nigerians or what? Or maybe you mean CBN failed because it was suppose to be giving loan shark credit packages to consumers ?...grin grin cheesy

How is credit free money?You're gonna pay back and with interest.
Where the trick lies is reducing lending rate.One has to look for ways to mitigate the inflation rate that reducing lending rate will cause,and one way you can do this is via taxation.It can be balanced at the tail end.

Money flight by foreign investors in Nigeria is at the Capital market,which is a good thing for a developing economy like Nigeria.We don't need foreign investments at that segment of our fragile economy.
They run because they can't get their profits out easily and also their investments have been affected by devaluation.
Let them go!
How many real foreign businesses in Nigeria have fly their capital that you know?
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 6:43pm On Jul 02, 2022
Af0nja:
Lol I'll pass again. Your debate is based on hate and frustration.
grin
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 6:25pm On Jul 02, 2022
Af0nja:
Nnewi in Anambra has the highest number of millionaires concentrated within a location in any part of West Africa.

You're campaigning for Tinubu and denying it grin, lol I will not go far.

You're not interested in facts, I'll pass.
If it has the highest number of millionaires per unit area like you claim,why is there no middle class in Nnewi and most of its youths carrying barrows up and down in those dirty markets hauling goods for N100? undecided
I am not interested in "ime-ahia" facts please.
For a place that claims to have the highest millionaires per unit area in Africa,I mean the middle class there should be booming ,but its not so apparently.
All people can afford to rent there are 15k/month old,poorly constructed, dilapidating ,storey buildings that their landlords have dashed them over their inability to pay rents,plus they combine like 20 of the so called millionaires inside one 3 bedroom flat.
I'll suggest you pass because you're stressing me for real with your unrealistic claims, analogies and inferences.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 6:16pm On Jul 02, 2022
hayoholla:
He has not said anything meaningful here undecided What they ask of him, is the plan to turn the fortunes of the country economy around. Its in a functioning economy atleast, we will talk about this, not this economy where the minimum wage of works is not even upto 100dollars. Tell me how will such citizens apply and pay up for mortgages. The purchasing power of the citizens is low, because of high inflation, and you're here talking of credit score. undecided. That's how they decieve you with phantom promises.
What's causing the high inflation rate if I may ask?
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 6:13pm On Jul 02, 2022
PHOTSEE:
You better talk more about who you know and leave the anoint one ,out of you banter. Because we are Obidient.
You think I care about who you vote for? undecided
I am not here for sensationalism please.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 6:07pm On Jul 02, 2022
PHOTSEE:
How do you now get the money you give to the bank? You have to be credited worthy first before you can access such infrastructure.
Are you paid per hourly , do you have choice of career , jobs with good pay, not when majority of the working class youth are contract staff.
Combining the nigeria factor into consideration of not paying back loans.

They have borrowed from china, now they want to sale you off by being indebted to them.

We dont need cars, because there is no good road to ply them. Which will lead to conjustion.
Leave who can access credit for the bank to decide,they have trained,paid experts whose only job is to identify who is credit worthy for what volume of credit and who isn't.
All the government can do in this case is to reduce lending rate by reducing MPR and the CBN giving banks more credit to disburse,and then in turn look for other ways to checkmate the inflation this will cause and keep it at the barest minimum.
I would have explained more but I no get strength to type abeg.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 5:56pm On Jul 02, 2022
Af0nja:
Yes there's a way that ensures just circulation of money whereby a significant number of the citizens are lifted from poverty and above poverty index.

The 30k I used for 4m is just an instance. My point is, if you don't raise incomes to consolidate the reality of the domestic market/consumers, you'll end up having corruption as people will seek other means to sustain their life.

Because, credit is useless when the credit strength is weak.

The capitalist countries you're talking about have an economy that is more than 100 times that of Nigeria, how are you going to build an ant's house with an elephant model?

Jagaban is smarter than you, he read the words from a paper so it was obviously scripted. Peter Obi speaks from his own brain.


I hope I have added some truths to your clarification.
There's no other way that ensures the circulation of money to lift anyone from poverty asides value!No other way.What?you want to start handing out free naira to people to bridge poverty gap? grin
Look,cheap accessible credit means lots of people and businesses can/will now want credit to increase capacity/profitability,this process creates more demand for labor/services and its ripple effects and this is how people get lifted from poverty.

That was a terrible instance,never make poor examples so you don't come across as ignorant.
It's not government's place to raise income oga,leave that to private enterprises. When you've attracted the creation of enough of them in your country,they'll compete amongst themselves to get the best man for the job in their enterprises, one of the ways they do this is by offering bigger pay for labor.That's how income bracket of a nation increases.
Government can only set minimum wage.

This makes no sense,the consumer determines his/her credit strength by his/her earning potential.
If you want more credit strength, earn more money legally!
Proceeds of corruption aren't kept in commercial banks ,neither do banks use them for credit eligibility.
What they look at is cashflow and not volume of deposit.

The capitalist countries didn't just acquire a hundred times Nigeria's economic strength in one day.It was processes like these that led them to where they are today.Nigeria can do same by emulating the same methods.

Of course jagaban is smarter than I am,there's no disputing that. Even if it was scripted by someone else,it means he has smart thinking people as his entourage and that's good enough.
Peter Obi speaks a lot of dumb economics from his brain which makes little to no economic sense to the trained eye,
I rather one who speaks correct from a script than another that spits a lot of garbage from his brain.
He wants to make Nigeria an economic powerhouse,yet he saved N75B in a volatile currency,in a state with one of Nigeria's poorest citizens whose biggest prospect of its citizenry is nwaboy and yet sees it as bragging rights /him being an economic wizkid tells me all I need to know about how empty he actually is,
Ask him for a step by step guide on how he intends to make Nigeria an export nation like he's been saying and watch him go blank.
I chose track record over sweet talks,no offense.
Tinubu has told you how he intends to achieve economic progress for Nigeria.

I am not campaigning for anyone or make you see reasons to vote tinubu,I just have a penchant for identifying quality when I see it.
Cheers.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 5:18pm On Jul 02, 2022
Af0nja:
Sounds progressive!!! But how do we migrate to a credit economy without further crashing the Naira??

Such sophisticated economy is perfect for us as a country if only we have proper circulation of money to all the different societal classes.(which can only work when the employment security is stable)

How long will it take you to pay 4 million naira when minimum wage is 30k??

For instance, we know that there's a huge difference between the rich and lower classes, will a credit economy succeed in a country that 80% of it's wealth is in the hands of 10% of the population.

Kudos to Jagaban though, that's true insight. We can't get that from Atiku.
For your first paragraph, we can do that by bringing in more working/productive Nigerians in the tax bracket and tax them effectively.This process curbs much of the naira that will be released to finance credit.Win win for everyone and a stabler naira.

There's no such thing as effective circulation of money,not even in first world countries.

No one will give you N4m credit on an income of N30k/month.Even in the US ,the volume of credit one can access depends on his/her income.

Yes,it is succeeding in the most capitalist country in the world(US) where 1% of the populace holds almost all of the nation's wealth.That's kind of how capitalism works.

Jagaban is smarter and more sophisticated than all of his fellow contestants, including that overhyped/arm chair economist Peter obi.

I hope I've helped to clarify your doubts,
Cheers.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m): 5:10pm On Jul 02, 2022
aviara:
Credit system works better in a highly industrialized system with high productive capacity. Imagine everyone buying Innoson cars on credit how will he run the business and pay staff salary.

Besides, credit is not just given anyhow, you have to be credit worthy to access credit.
You don't know what you're talking about.
The bank pays innosson cash and give you the consumer credit.
You'll owe the bank that in turn owes the CBN and not innosson.
I hope I've cured a bit of your ignorance,
Cheers.
Car Talk › Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by SeaTrade(m): 3:59pm On Jul 02, 2022
Felicity001:
Yeah, I have one 05 C200 kompressor going for 2.8m but full cash would be ready by next month else would've gone for it.

Our leaders wants us to be the thieves that they're else how do they expect an ordinary citizen of this country to afford a 2017/2022 cars. Let's not even talk about the mechanic and parts aspect
I think they're trying to build the local auto industry, not about them wanting to suffer citizens for nothing.
Cheap,usable locally made cars will soon start springing up because of this new NCS drive to satisfy that demand.
It doesn't make sense for Nigeria to be the dumping ground for old used cars around the world that doesn't produce any substantial productivity for our populace except directly to the owners of these cars,which doesn't benefit government and the society at large in anyway.
It's a great move,however I only have problems about the way it was done,of not preinforming importers before hand.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Until We Have A Good Credit System, We Can't Conquer Corruption by SeaTrade(m):
I keep saying that this man is way smarter than his counterparts running for this election,including the arm chair wannabe economist called Peter obi.
Not just credit but cheap ,single digit credit for consumption and businesses.
A cash based economy is recipe for corruption and stunted economic growth.
Family › Re: Guys Please Don't Marry Made Ladies [case Study Inside] by SeaTrade(m): 8:56am On Jul 02, 2022
When I dey talk am ,una dey say I dey craze or I'm not modern. grin
Na experience with a lot of them make me kill that idea.
I need space,I want freedom....na their mantra.
One tell me say she's a full grown woman and i should not restrict her movements or tell her what to do,
That she is free to go to any country of her choice for vacation and if I'm not coming she'll still go,
Or I can't hold her from having girls night out with her friends if they come town(clubbing sef follow),she say make she make those points clear before marriage.
Funny thing is I'm way more richer than this person,the gap is so obvious.
Sometimes when she starts to cap,dey form levels,i go remind am say I be odogwu, she go stay quiet.
Now imagine if she was richer?Suicide!
Anything independent woman,my hand no dey.
When I ready to marry,I will look for a 22 year old out of university girl,if she must work,there's plenty of room in my business.
Carry your so called independence go meet men weh no fit hustle,no carry am come hustler side.
You can date them, have casual fun with them but try not to marry them for your sanity's sake and to prevent yourself from emasculation and emotional/verbal torture.
There may be good,submissive ones out there but very few and they'll pretend a lot,it takes a very smart man to see beyond their smoke screen.
Politics › Re: Wike, Ikpeazu And Seyi Makinde On Vacation In Turkey (Picture) by SeaTrade(m): 5:58am On Jul 01, 2022
GuyWise101:
Nna mehnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

And thiefnibu imbeciles were rejoicing cheesy cheesy
He can go to France and come back the same day sha,
One of the Wonders of jetting private. wink
Car Talk › Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by SeaTrade(m): 7:49pm On Jun 30, 2022
Itsrm:
There are other spotless cars or near spotless cars without outrageous prices. That's why he struggles to sell pretty much every vehicle he advertises.
The guy put 2014 Jaguar xj for N31.5m,they almost lynch am that day.. grin grin
He's either out of touch with reality or e still dey Learn the work.
Car Talk › Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by SeaTrade(m): 6:36pm On Jun 30, 2022
Itsrm:
It's a terrible situation to be in.

If the vehicle was for sale and he had cleared it, na to begin type available, available like hubcruz till 2027.

Who will use 5m to buy a 2004 c240 when you can add 1m and buy a 2012 C300/350.
I think this new move by NCS is to purge this country of very old cars.
The only part I don't support is them not pre-informing importers like 3-4months ahead of the new directive.Sad.
Celebrities › Re: Funke Akindele And JJC Skillz Marriage Crashes. Actress Asks JJC To Leave House by SeaTrade(m): 1:19pm On Jun 30, 2022
Marry very young brides,
Avoid all these so called independent women for marriage(I make money too gang),una no dey ever hear.
Una go dey shout support ,mature conversations and all those meaningless things,now see.
What an embarrassing way to separate,tueh.
You can date older ladies but don't marry them,unless you can really vouch for that person and be sure it's love and not pretence.
Travel › Re: Looking For Travel Buddies For A Trip To Mauritius by SeaTrade(m): 10:28pm On Jun 27, 2022
Are you male or female?
Your response to this will help my decision making process.
Travel › Re: Lady, 32, Who Owns 10 Private Jets Goes Viral As She Enters The Public Eye by SeaTrade(m): 10:25pm On Jun 27, 2022
smiley
Car Talk › Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by SeaTrade(m): 5:12pm On Jun 27, 2022
Wasky101:
Chairman, I don suffer for Mercedes hand in recent times.
My 06 e350 made a funny clinking sound one morning stopped abruptly on the road and never started again( after series of diagnosis was advised to change engine as it is not rebuild able)
Bought a c230 07 for re sale, run and drive good milage, no accident history) loss was recorded as " other" on the auction site.
Vehicle came in and wont start, it actually came in with no oil in it, put some oil and they it came on but wldnt run smooth and reported all cylinder misfire. Had to eventually change the engine after no solution.
Works fine now and no error code.
I don suffer my brother.
Ohh I forgot to say I cleared the car a 2.3m so now I am stuck with a 5m(cost of landing and repair) 07 c230
You clear 07 C230 at 2.3m?
What kind of business decision is that?
Why import it in the first place?
You could have gone for newer models cos no one in their right senses will pay 5m for an 08 C300,let alone 07 C230.
Wasn't a very smart decision if you ask me.
Travel › Re: My Visit To Salzburg Today by SeaTrade(m): 2:46pm On Jun 27, 2022
Nice countryside,i love nature and places far Away from the menace of capitalism.
Enjoy man,cheers.
Romance › Re: Happy Birthday To Me... by SeaTrade(m): 7:36am On Jun 26, 2022
Happy birthday
Autos › Re: 2014 Model Jaguar XJL Toks Fully Loaded Super White by SeaTrade(m): 4:11pm On Jun 25, 2022
jamesversion:
Take aook at the pix. The seller has put the car for sale at $9,100 (which is still open to bidding).

$9100 + $2100(shipping cost)= $11,200

11,200× 610(exchange rate) = N6,893,000

Then max to clear the car from Port is N1M

Total cost is N7,893,000

Now they intend to sell for N31M

Imagine such greed!!!
Reality go soon clear his doubt. grin
Autos › Re: 2014 Model Jaguar XJL Toks Fully Loaded Super White by SeaTrade(m): 3:45pm On Jun 25, 2022
jamesversion:
How much is this used car sold in the US that it has to be 31M.

Go to cars.com and you'd see that this car is sold for less than $12,000.

You people should fear God.
I just smh after seeing his price,
There's something really wrong with him.
How much be 2018 Mercedes E300 weh person go come buy old ass ,unreliable jaguar for N31m? undecided
Even E400 2018 is around that price and is a way better car.
Buying this above N10m isn't such a fair deal,let alone 31.5 grin grin grin
Politics › Re: Ekweremadu's Kidney Donor Visa Application Letter To British High Commission by SeaTrade(m):
Mindlog:
Naive? cheesy

The prosecution said he left the Ekweremadus and slept rough for 2 days (I believe you know what that means) before he found his way to the police station.

The Ekweremadus' defense team would have to prove he was actually physically with the Ekweremadus during those days he claimed he slept rough.

I am here in the UK and I know very well that I am calling the police immediately once I notice the person under my care is no where to be found around me....me whey sabi report.
They may have an alibi to either be with their daughter at the hospital or running around for her health emergencies.
You don't expect someone whose daughter is on life support to be babysitting another healthy adult.
The boy is 21 years old.
I am very certain he will lose this case and be deported back to Nigeria.
Where you are doesn't matter,it doesn't give you a say as to how the judiciary or legal system of your host country operates.
Cases aren't won via emotions but facts.
Politics › Re: Ekweremadu's Kidney Donor Visa Application Letter To British High Commission by SeaTrade(m): 10:43am On Jun 24, 2022
Mindlog:
Which conspiratorial nefarious group? huh

The UK police and the UK judicial system is so unlike Nigeria's, the facts will be established.

First things first, is compatibility between the donor and Ekweremadu's daughter ought not to have been established before any traveling arrangement?

Did the Ekweremadus report to the UK police when the donor left their care?
Stop being naive abeg,how long do you think it'll take for him to dash out of their care and make this claim and then effect their arrest in the UK?
Just a few hours is enough.

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