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^bull bull bullshit , na only cat witches like to do- so many cool animals- like hippotamus, zebra, squirrel- in this world but na stupid animals like cat they go they do

her not him

come was, oba ovonramen that short- i think that is the only interesting thing I am gleaning from thsi article.

Tsk tsk tsk, more sinophobia from the West. They see the East is rising so they throw all kinds of shade. . .so predictable.

true man, I dont think you guys know how much the US is suffering from yellow fever fear. World power sweet who want to reliquish am . We are just pawns in the hands of the kings- or should I say when the elephants stomp, the grass suffers the most.

Her speech was brilliant, though a bit repetitive- she had given a similar speech at Harvard (i dont know when), we very similar references. Regardless, she is going to be my igbo wife .

I think she also raises very important questions of the growth of an African identity when you come to the US or the West. I for one never considered myself African until, I was confronted with the other, and I noticed many people too most especially Fela Kuti became of aware of the need of an African identity (as opposed to a nigerian or yoruba/igbo/hausa/whatever tribe one) since oyibo people dont really give a rat ass- you are black to them. lol, that is why I always find it funny when I read tribal threads.

juju is deletting threads

Also, look at the regions that still widely practice juju today: wset Africa, south America, Haiti, all are undeveloped.

Not just underdeveloped, the only people practicing it at the black ppl of these regions,

Everybody posting about this topic would do themselves a World of good by studing the basic elements of sociology and anthropology in order to understand man's need to worship things he doesn't understand, things that bring him fear/sadness/joy, and things that seemed to have the potential to enable him conquer his environment.

Thanks mate. But you are probably asking for too much. i think nigerians, just prefer to sit down and blame stuff on the supernatural, even though the supernatural doesnt exist.

yeah, i know but we could one day be on the verge of being a superpower . There is always hope

Imagine what could be achieved with an efficient Nigerian Government backing our enterpreneurs home and abroad like we see with the USA

Exactly. This is a major strategy of china- if you have noticed, most of the chinese companies purchasing foreign companies are state-owned companies- they use money borrowed from the government to drive their acquisitions.

Nairaland is tiwan tiwa, while facebook is tiwon tiwon.

Thank you jo

^^^^  silly remarks come from silly people  Tongue

I agree, just like silly questions come from silly people

you know the easiest way to cause civil war on nairaland is mentioning tribes, so I am helping you create a satirical instance.

leadership potential shown by previous work experience. i know you must have at least
five years of post baccalaureate work to be a competitive candidate. This is of course in addition
to your outstanding academic credentials.

I agree, you need good academic credentials (not as high as other professional schools)- but the most important thing is work experience. I think the standard in the US is usually 3 years. I know ppl personally who have gotten in straight after graduating  university though, but they are usually people who have significant work experience while in college/university.

I would say any other top business school would suffice though if you don't get into HBS. Considering the fact that the population of Africans is about less than a 1% (no surprise when we are having this type of silly debate), as long as you are slightly above average you might have a good chance.

I also think your main concern would be financing business school because they rarely give scholarships- however a lot of top schools have loan programs accessible to international students without cosigners- check on that.

sorry to bring tribe into this, but what part of nigeria are these people mostly from ?

The ones doing the business in east africa are igbo, the guys with ak47 are warri boys, and the hausas are taking care of all the cattle in kenya- milking them all,

there is not enough internet coverage in east africa and south africa so the yoruba yahoo boys are not migrating there





Silly questions deserve silly answers

At the bold statements, Juju practitioners can argue the same since both don't have objective credibility of their "god". But the point I'm trying to get RichyBlack to understand is to not classify magic by who performed it. Magic is magic no matter who performed it. He pinned himself to the corner by saying "jesus was given power by "god" the author and finisher of his faith" while thinking voodoo practitioners can't say the same. This is not an attack on RichyBlack's faith, it's an attack on his bias stand in the argument. People heard of all the things the Bible said jesus and god did, they started worhiping them, people heard of the things voodoo did, they started practicing it therefore the reason people worship god is the same reason voodoo practitioners worship whoever they worship. Both hearing and not confirming it. People flock to a particular church because they heard people say things good about the pastor. People flock to juju priests because they heard of the things they did good or bad. It's all submission without confirmation. I hope you understand my stand well now. I'm not trying to bash Richy's fate, I'm just pointing it out he's biased. I don't think Richy is saying juju is false because it's truly false. I think he's saying juju is false because it suits his position as his god being the only one with power. But I try to make him understand that both juju and other forms of religion is all either real or a bunch of fallacies. If you can believe that pastor Chris actually made a crippled man walk, I think you shouldn't find it hard to believe Afam saying he saw bullets bouncing off flesh. Was it pastor Adeboye that said he drove tens of miles with an empty tank and giving testimony to his congregation about it? I think if you believe that, then you should be gullible enough believe many other fallacies out there.

good point. I excuse myself

Satan has his own form of power. . . enough said

yeah right, like tooth fairies do

It seems you are already seeing ghosts as we have resorted to logic and common sense, sorry ehn.

you mean richyblack and 9jaganga are using commonsense. nothing you ahve said suggest you have any common sense.

Just go to the religion section to debate the existence of God and satan, this thread is not interested in your useless belief.

No use wasting my time on people with little intellect. It is impossible engaging in intellectual debate.

Only a fool would claim to know what hs/she does not know. I accept responsibility of things I know and bold enough to admit what I don't know. It is only proper and decent.

So you saw all this juju and did not make an attempt to learn about what you saw. to me that is just plain stupidity. If I saw a woman turn into a cat, I would make every effort to find out how she did it- no matter the consequences. All ways making up stories to suit your imaginative arguments.

I am sorry I cannot provide the information you seek because I am not a juju man as only those that use them can answer your specific questions and why they fail sometimes

Well-skilled evasion when your the inconsistencies in your arguments are exposed.

I think Afam's last post clears up the situation. I'm not basing the existence of juju on Christianity. I'm just saying you can't be a Christian and be saying supernatural powers doesn't exist cause if you believe in Christ you must believe all the things your Bible said he said and did which most of them are supernatural,  Once again, I'm not a Christian or Muslim or anything religious, I'm an African.

Well i agree a bit with this. yes, accepting the possibility of a God, suggest the possibility of the supernatural. But no, that doesn't mean men have the ability to control the supernatural. Richyblack could argue- "God is a jealous God and has decided that he wants to control all supernatural events from now on. So juju cannot exist from now on." you see, it is impossible to attack that statement except that it is a supposition ( a supposition just like Afam's imaginary bullets which failed to hit the target  ).

Also, I did not know this thread was a personal attack on Richyblack, if I did, I would carefully have excused myself and moved towards somewhere there is real debate. i thought we were talking about the existence of juju, and not the existence of juju based on Richyblack's faith. I agree it is a tenuous position to hold both views simultaneously- God exists, and the supernatural (maybe juju doesnt), but I still feel that is irrelevant to actual proof that juju exist.

Don't get me wrong- i am proudly Nigerian, and proud of every aspect of our culture with no tribal bounds- from that of the igbo, to the hausas to the ijaws. We are all the same in the eyes of Europeans.  But what I think is that we should be trying to dispel a myth that I feel is harmful to our society. Christianity itself poses some harm- but not as urgent as juju- so let us deal with the horrible ones, b4 we move to the less harmful ones.

@RichyBlack,

Do you believe that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead after 3 days?

If yes, then is this in line with the physical law?

If no then you are suffering from what I call a religious dilemma where you don't even know what to believe in which is worse.

Seeing people die while others repelled bullets shot at them at close range is enough to prove that juju works for those that use them. I don't need the contribution of ignorant people who have confused mindsets to tell me otherwise.

To people like this it is only what they witness they can agree exist, nothing more.

Like science juju fails sometimes because even native doctors die, people who have relied on juju have been disappointed and in some cases such disappointments lead to death.

Does satan exist? Does God exist?

Can anyone answer the 2 questions above and back your answers with proof so that one can make progress because it seems some of us are not only confused and ignorant but completely clueless on this issue.

For the christians that have avoided the questions bothering on events stated on this thread for fear of contradiction and inconsistency I say shame to you.

Why believe in something you cannot defend.

For those claiming that all the referenced events from the bible are lies because according to them they don't believe in any religion don't confuse issues because that is a topic for another thread. The issue now is to see how objective and honest some of us are concerning the issue of physical laws and spiritual laws.

I know it is common for people to introduce all manner of diversions just to take our eyes off the main issue but on this one keep your diversions to yourself so that definite answers can be provided for questions asked.

@RichyBlack,

You claim to be a christian and that means you believe the bible and its contents.

Now, do you believe all those super natural and spiritual stories and events that were recorded?

If yes, do they defy the physical laws?

If no, what do you really believe?

These are simple questions. Please answer them.

And he is back at it again. Asking people to prove the existence of God and the devil (an evil force)- two things that most philosophers consider impossible to prove.

Does satan exist? Does God exist?

Satan doesn't really exist (as your small mind thinks)- he is part of a persian myth which was laterincorporated into jewish mythology after the occupation of the israel by the persians. later he became a major force in the christian myth as the source of all evil.

Simple logic- If God created the devil as some of the bible says (since the devil was a fallen angel made from God) then God created evil and consequently God is evil. Satan cannot exist i tandem with the Christian God- if we are to contemplate an evil force (pure evil or satan as you call it)- then God and Satan exist mutually exclusively (God did not create satan so he did not create evil), then God is no more omnipotent and therefore he is no more a "god" if he cannot control and effect the cosmos.

I think seun should ban stupid people from nairaland.

This man is not sharp at all, If he had bought a jet like some other thieving Pastor, would FBI catch him in the skies?

What is boggling is this: How come all the money deposited in the banks are never stolen by witches and wizards? Can anybody explain why?

Because witches and wizards don't exist. Maybe mind boggling to children.

I know that juju exists, just as the devil exists. There is good and evil in the world, that's it.

How do you know?

While driving home from work today I asked this same question of juju to 4 other people in the car and all but one claimed that they had witnessed juju especially the bullet issues.

sheeps move with sheeps. No wonder our economy is in ruins with bankers who live in superstition 

Goes to show that indeed some of us are just ignorant and yet are quick to label others as being ignorant.

Applies most especially to you. I am beginning to get angry- I haven't been presented with such stupidity. You are using the personal experience of people as substantial evidence- despite the fickle nature of Nigerians. Like, I only see this style of arguing amongst nigerians. And you keep posting the same statement "people saw this" and "people saw that" and claiming other people are ignorant because of what people you talked to concluded on (for all we know they could be imaginary people you are using to buttress your argument)

Wtf is wrong with Africans?

To  make matters worse these people with the IQs of sheeps are using a[i]rgumentum ad hominem[/i] logic to prove a point. But their frontal attack is based on the assumptions that Richyblack's christian beliefs are absolutely true. And if they are true, then every subset contained in that nugget of belief is true. Since this is not a religious thread, I dont see why people are using Richyblack's religion to argue for the possibility of Juju.

Now it feels like cacophony of ignorant people in a wrestling match. Except the sounds of reason are indistinguishable from the grunts of ignorance. 

I can't tell the religion of some of the posters, because their confused verbiage makes it difficult to screen out their actual argume. Regardless, richyblack's religion cannot prove as adequate proof of religion for those of us who don't have any religion. I am really really sick and tired of stupid people.

I think in a way that this is a pointless argument. For one, juju definitely doesn't exist. Maybe supernatural things might exist but not the African juju that we are accustomed to hearing about.

2) It is difficult to show a sheep the right way to its pen. You can keep pointing him to the right direction, but he will always try and take the wrong direction and avoid any direction that seems logical consistent. He will always embrace the illogical instead of the logical.

3) There is no proof for juju. Not one proof, nothing compelling, that is the simple truth. Afam is holding on to thin air and running his mouth like the engineof a 20 year old Ijapa volkwagen beetle.

4)  superstition, violence and stupidity all go hand in hand.

Has anyone supported the killing of these children because they are witches? I don't support the killing of any innocent person and by innocent I mean those that have not murdered or looted our treasury like the corrupt politicians.

you indirectly contribute to the harm in society when you spread the pernicious myth of juju

Oh ok. I nearly freaked out because I am fall 2010 acceptance. I should be done by mid november, and would just focus on school and wait for decisions.

I'm done with applications and can't wait for their admission decisions. Yeah, Univ. of Alberta is a really good option, but also very competitive.

Are u serious? i haven't even started yet lol. Still getting recommendations, and would probably send the GRE to various schools this Friday. And I have midterms in school right now so ridiculously busy (exams). Are you applying for fall admissions and why so quick? It is getting late though, so when I have assembled my recommendation letters and other info I would be done. I havent assembled my schools too lol and I have definitely need to contact professors.

I have to say that it made me slightly happy though- i ahve always been a big proponent of Nigerians penetrating foreign markets especially when things are too difficult for us back home.

China is doing the same thing- they have developed an exquisite taste for foreign companies- they are buying out their european competition. it is the only way we can survive in this ruff and tumble world dominated by western  globalization. If we can buyout the kenyans, that is a start, then we can later move on to bigger things

^haha, I thot so, it is the ibrus right.

Near Witwatersrand University, as the mobs approached a residential area populated by Nigerians, the West Africans didn’t hide or run. They emerged with AK47s and told the South Africans that they had every right to be in South Africa, because they fed, housed, educated and gave critical diplomatic support to the ANC and other anti-apartheid groups during their struggle. The South African mobs fled.

Man I heard about this incident from one of roommates friends last year lol. When he heard I was Nigerian (my roommates friend) he recounted the story to me.

good run away. Agreed my level of reasoning is low.yours is far lower than low then

So, when I quote what was reported in the bible don't start with your stupid questions.

logic and religion dont go together, you are contradicting yourself again. you want us to argue with logic and common sense when christianity meets the requirement for neither. BI have no inteerst in debating religion, but please dont state biblical myths as the gospel truth

lalala, I am bored already. As I expected, you aren't that intelligent.

You ask questions like a complete idiot. Why is Mr A not as rich as Mr B? It is obvious you have a lot of issues with yourself or you are just being plain silly.

That wasn't my point- my point was questioning the nature of the myth "juju" to reject the hypothesis that it exist. If it is supernatural, it should have no limits. You are now into full blown insult mode- like all nairalanders.

PS: Notice, I am ignoring your insults- this is an online, forum, i rarely take online insults personally- call me an idiot- doesn't matter because i am not an idiot- If I call you an idiot it doesn't matter (you could be an idiot or not but I dnt know) I am just responding to you spurious statements.