₦airaland Forum

Ihuomadinihu:
I don't have any business with the other African attire on this post. I am limiting my discussions to Igbo attire and there is nothing non African about it. If Yoruba borrowed the Agbada and Dashiki shirts and evolved into a yoruba identity,what makes you believe that Igbos had noting close to shirts which is not traced to European influences. Is not like Igbos didn't interact with other Nigerians/Africans before the arrival of the white men. What makes the Igbo attire unAfrican?
What you call shirts may have evolved that is not to say Igbos didn't wear stuffs like that in the past.

Oh but the person you quoted wasn't limiting his arguement to just Igbo wears. You only didn't read well to understand it. I read his post and I got what he was saying. You're the one who actually made it an Igbo ( and by extension, Yoruba) thing.

Saying agbada or dansiki is shirt is akin to saying all wars are shirts. Both of those wears have nothing to do with shirts.

Secondly the sòkòtò which you called trouser is just name semantics. The only other option to wearing that is to tie clothes around the waist. But the Yoruba sòkòtò, from which the modern wears were modified, were of unique styles peculiar to Yorubas or Africans in the least. The materials used are also unique to same.

Stop confusing lemons with limes.

Phut:
Yes some Yoruba attire has links to other ethnicities. Case in point: Agbada.

Is Agbada outfit not a 3 piece: trousers, a top which has long sleeves, then the Agbada.

The top with long sleeves, is a shirt by Equalizers definition. Pursuing that line of reasoning some more equals that it is foreign to Africa/Unafrican

See my response above.

Ihuomadinihu:
The fact that Agbada originated from the Songhai empire nullifies its position as autentically yoruba. I don't see how Agbada is a traditional yoruba attire.

What facts do you have to prove such? And if its even any way true, is the Songhai African or not? Cos if its African , then then the agbada still retains its authenticity.

The point again is that some of the attires borrowed from non African dresses and therefore, are losing their African authenticity in the process. He focused on the authenticity of some of the attires as African. You lost that focus.

Phut:
Well it is very much on topic. I would call what they wear a shirt as well. Which totally obliterates your argument as to what is Unafrican.
Also i daresay that the Agbada's Yoruba's wear a lot of,was borrowed. Which takes us back to the claim that fashion is not static

Is his argument about fashion being borrowed or that the fashion they have now is not African.

I can see your link in this because you claim that what is borrowed becomes part of the said fashion and therefore African; but then there lies the connundrum.

The Yoruba attires do not have any link to other races outside africa (except maybe those taken there by slaves from same africa); while a quick look at some of the other attires from other countries reveal some parts definitely from outside of Africa.

Ihuomadinihu:
You are just one of those people that quote because they have no other alternative. Igbo might be a recent creation to you,that doesn't mean that ibo is right. Ibo is a creation of foreigners that couldn't prononce igbo correctly. It is against the phonlogical and linguistic rules of Igbo language. We now have a standard Otography which contains /gb/, it is better you respect that and write it correctly. Before we had ibo,we had Heebo and Eboe, today the world recognises Igbo as the official nomenclature for an ethnic group in old Eastern Nigeria. All the sochlastic materials were written before Igbo language,alphabet and otorgraphy was studied and approved.
I don't know how people will feel if i decide to write Yoruba as Yorob-a or America as Amirika,cos of pronouciation differences.
What prejudice? Everyone on Nairaland,knows that yoruba write ibo instead of spelling it correctly. You are only engaging in interference. If you weren't insecure and unreasonable,you wouldn't have made a mockery of what you erroneously perceive as undevelopment.
Secondly,if you go back to my earlier comments,i limited my views on only ''IGBO ClOTHING''. You are the one extending it to other attires,so you might want to respond to your questions. Your description and references is too far from my subject matter cos am not discussing the Western attires!
You made mention of Igbos running around naked ,apparently you felt they were the only ones walking naked at that time. Obviously naked igbos is something to make fun of according to you.
Only an unmannered and insecure person would do that on a public forum.

The emboldened statement, one which you had repeated previously, has knocked off the brilliace
of your post and condemned it to bland hubris. Well, that's besides the fact that you judiciously post wrong information as truths.

Ilekeh:
Maybe agnostic is a better term. I believe something is out there, a greater force that could even be extraterrestrial, but I don't know what it is.

Adopting an European religion does not satisfactorily explain what could be out there.

Diverse cultures from different climates have offered differing explanations for oddities within our planet. So why pick the christian explanation as the right one?

...Is all I'm saying. Thanks for putting my thoughts into words.

lalasticlala:
http://thenationonlineng.net/new/photo-igp-arases-maiden-visit-to-lagos/

The tall building behind....I built it. One of two buildings in that estate.

Justfollowit:
OMG! You are VERY GOOD

I am still in school


I don't enjoy it all the time but I do start to enjoy it when I am dealing with mentally ill monikers like searching4lov.e and Mrinquisi.tive. Some nee to realize that life is not all about them and they hold an obligation to the world to make judicious use of their brains. And when they don't, I can be very unforgiving.



I try to seperate my personal convictions (religiously, culturally and upbringing influenced) from my objectively held views. I also present my views as such. I detest it when people try to attack my persoanl views, I believe the only criticism they should be subjected to, is mine criticsm and when people fail to realize it. It makes me mad.

OK. Replied your mail...got a mailers daemon.

Justfollowit:


What do you think of me?

You have similar online xteristics to hers.

The bravado, part insultive part meaningful post.

I do hope you're still in school or working online, else something I cant put my hands on yet isn't right.

I don't want to accept that you enjoy what you do online ALL the time ( the insults I mean); I would want to think you're just catching your fun, but that would be naive. You come across as more intelligent than that. There might just be a more deep seated reason for your lash outs sometimes.

Post a pic? A recent one. I can read the expression to get much more info ( no matter how much you may hide it behind a smile or frown)

You tend to hold feminist views but just like the other handle I mentioned, you ultimately don't give tosh about the those views if they don't match your personal convictions...and when ppl touch on those convictions is when the witch in you sometimes comes out

Have fun though...

Justfollowit:
Vain foo.l.

What intelligent woman would want a pretty face with an IQ of a baby goat?

Lol. Justfollowit. Have you met ilekeh? Sometimes I wonder if people are not made in twos.

Nice.

I'm mostly impressed that they are using a projectised form of management. Its a system of management that allows for more effective utilization of resources, most especially humans.

To make this sustainable however, the government needs to get involved in the whole value chain for the production of the solar panels and batteries. The areas it can't directly cover should be opened up for people to come in and invest.

We should import as little as possible the components needed to make this possible. That way the government can even proudly state the number of jobs it had created through its policy of making sure the schools have renewable power supply.

Truckpusher:
I dare all janjawiids on this thread to show me one crime committed by Barcanista.


Show me where freedom of association and expression has become a criminal activity in the Nigerian constitution on a citizen's right.



May the thunder God fire you all - May the eternal fire of God consume your households and let hatred and anger be brought onto your households for ganging up against an innocent man.

Well, I do hope you are just venting cos of something totally unrelated to what's going on here, else I'd say you're going too far. Calm down.

Softsparky replied your post with a question. If I can remember correctly: " ...does that mean that all his research, fact and analysis were concocted" now that he has (again) changed his ideology?

If people are free to at will change ideology without reprieve, what's does that say about their past ideology? Authentic? Fake?

What does it say about his character? Trustworthy? Cunny?

If buhari wakes up tomorrow and says he's no longer fighting corruption won't you especially want to hang him by his balls? Will you say " well, there goes our president; he has the right to such change anyways, sai buhari"?

In the end, there's no way you can defend inconsistencies, especially in character. And as softsparky said, most guys here are only bringing up his own words against him. Words that he can't deny he adequately researched as facts before posting.

Wow. I knew the op was quite popular on Nairaland but I guess I underestimated his cache of work done for APC.

Its can really be like an out of body experience when looking at your old write ups wondering how you got around to writing with such passion and intelligence. I had that thought once or twice, where I've really doubted whether I can actually match my old posts, when it really meant something to have my views aired.

I'm sure it will once in a while be painful for barcanista himself when he's reminded of threads of his like this...whether he can ever match up to the passion and zeal he had then, whether there really is any motivation to even have such zeal seeing the position he now finds himself.

I for one can bet my last cup of garri that this guy may never attain the heights that brought up threads as these again. If he retraces his steps back to that cause that brought out such motivation, then maybe he has a chance.

I have realised that its not just our gift of writing that brings out the best in us, no, its that situation we have found ourselves and the zeal to change it, that brings out such best.

kenwins:
amnesia? Dementia- Alzheimer's disease?...... Chai!.... D@ aint ur portion IJN.

Amen!!!

Nihilist:
The travails of being a real life Sherlock eh...

Oh, that such a wonderful gift should carry such a terrible curse...

Lol. I won't call it a curse. More like a burden that is manageable. When the thought process gets too much, I can zone out, contribute in normal chats and forget about the issue for the time being. Let the brain cool down and reset.

Its like installing an app and the computer asks you to restart the system. The app might work without restarting but it won't work well. Things would have to be put in their proper positions to function optimally.

kenwins:
Discerning of spirit...... Lovely gift/talent.

Thanks .

It can sometimes be a burden though. The more complex the issue or personality is, the more brain power needed to break it down. It can lead to some serious headache and in some extreme cases brain block and loss of memory.

Justfollowit:


Yeah you can continue with it, thanks



We can but first, tell me about those nuances

Well seeing that you responded positively to nihilists prognosis, I can pick one or two things to work on from there. While putting your environment into persctive of course; we can see how and why that shapes who you are see where that route, amongst others, take us

I won't be consistent though, I'm more spontaneous and work with inspiration. Things can be going on in the back ground of my mind until someone makes a comment or a word that related to you're and ties loose ends...it can be in your chat with someone else, even a lie.

Your session begins

Justfollowit:
No. I am just beginning my life o . My parents will it even appreciate it although they wouldn't dissuade me and I also I lack interest.

Ah good. But do you still need my services? Nihilist did quite a good job you know.

I admit I've never read read your diary, not read many too. So I'll need some time to go through and maybe we chat in between just for me to reinforce some nuances in my mind. Don't worry you won't know what I'll be looking out for so you can free you mind - that's of course if you still want this done.

Justfollowit:


You are good: D. Thanks

A question for you. How did you know that I have got suitors?

Hope you're not under marital pressure from family though.

Nihilist:
Studies in the UK, not a girlie girl, exhibits some nerdish behaviour.

No boyfriend. There might be suitors, but you either fail to take them serious, or simply lack interest.

That's from your diary.

Guy, I no dey collect money for this tin o!

So no tink sey u don spoil my bizness

Justfollowit:
Oh, that is very nice of you. Thanks

Of course, I am a very honest and upstanding citizen . Not only do I pay my taxes, I also enagete in community programs

@standd

*tongue out and eyes widened* Obi

One more thing though, I only do pro bono for pretty ladies

Its not pride, its just who i am. Like a lion, I don't eat grass

standd:
PM then we will decide. Ok with that?

Lol. I still have your whatsapp. You don delete am?

standd:
Hian! you too like woman
Pro-bono kooo....ogbono soup niiii

Ehh, baby. You I only had eyes for you till that aeroplane guy came and snatched your heart.

Justfollowit:
$100?

Bia, I don't have as much as a cent on me. What are we going to do?



@semitunde, what do you have to say this

I do pro bono works occasionally...to give back to the society.

Have you paid your tax though. You must be a honest upstanding citizen to deserve this...

standd:
Not here oh. It's something that boggles my mind. If you are down for a crying, sobbing, catarrh-sniffing feminine time-out, let me know.

Online or "in camera" ( BTW "in camera" means face to face right?)

standd:
$100 per hour for each session.
I'm his secretary, you will have to book an appointment first.

...and that settles it

Justfollowit:
I am curious

Would you mind taking it upon yourself to psycho-analyse my online personalty, please?

I'd have to go through you posts and/ PR your diary for this...

standd:
You know you make me feel like I can do those stuffs I only think about..your friendship came at the right time, I'll always cherish that.

So, all these psycho-analysis thing that you do, can you help me with something?

Just doing my bit to engage my mind, and well, quell my curiosity. I'm glad I got to know you too.

Yep, I knew this was leading up to something

Spill it

AirborneLacer:
Yeah Last year.

It coincided with the period you got posted by NYSC to serve in Damaturu

Bruv. I was posted to Maiduguri

I ate koka soup ( greenish stuff like that, but surprisingly tasty).

Eyah, I didn't know you guys are engaged o

Bros Abeg open thread and splash the pictures. A lot of people want to know how Standd looks sef so as to place where exactly she comes.

Oh wait! You should know that already, yarn bois na

standd:
You believe so much in me
Sometimes I wonder why.

Seriously now, I think I have a knack, gift if you like, of sniffing out someone or something good, even from afar, even with minimal info.

Its a gift that has got me this far. Plus I'm a liitle good at character profiling, mind reading, and little of psycho analysis. All these can be mentally tasking but I usually get my inferences right.

I only read a few sentences of your diary then, to know you had something different, little crazy, little cautious, like someone who had most things only going in in her head. I have friends like that too, super brilliant. There are quite a number on Nairaland too that I can tell where they should chanell their talents too...

But who cares

Let's drink our fears away

Oh yo yo and a bottle of rum!