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DeepSight:
In short, no reasonable or proper scientist can possibly believe in God. If they do, as a consequence of their scientific inquiries, then they are not proper scientists.

No, I was clearly talking about creationism. I think theistic evolution makes some sense for now. At least, until we figure out abiogenesis.

DeepSight:
I believe that evolution and intelligent design are not mutually exclusive.
My take is Evolution via Intelligent Design.
The Theory of Evolution by itself, absent intelligent guidance - is poo.
It can account for virtually nothing.
Most importantly for me, it cannot account for the evolution of the sexes and sexual reproduction.

You're basically putting your God in the current gaps of the theory of evolution. What will happen to your God when those gaps are filled?

I hope you know that evolution is a cruel process? Uncountable animals including our ancestors had to die painfully of starvation, disease, and being torn apart and eaten by predators for the fittest to emerge. Your intelligent designer would have to be cruel or indifferent to suffering.

DeepSight:
It is obviously lost on this fellow also that the objections raised are raised by eminent and suitably qualified scientists as well - and not simply by "a bunch of religious apologists on nairaland."

Creationists are not scientists. They start with an unreasonable conclusion and try to bend reality to fit that conclusion. That's not science!

KingEbukasBlog:
I don't think anyone has become an atheist because of seun. Do you know of any ?

People become atheists because they stop making excuses for the lack of any objective evidence for the existence of God. It takes many people to get you to that point. It takes months to years of study in many cases; countless YouTube videos, books, debates, & unanswered prayers.

Thanks for taking the time to write this out for us.

chiefoluigwe:
But this has been going on for a really long time

You're right. We featured a thread about it in 2013, but we didn't get any answers about the reason for it. Hope we'll get answers this time.

That's unfortunate. I wonder why they did that. Was it imposed on them by govt, or are they just overreacting to some complaint or lawsuit?

Drienzia:
meaning there's nothing you can do about the SEARCH issue?

There are thing we can do to improve it but that will come at a cost.

I just want to make sure that people are aware of the utter lack of evidence for the alternative to evolution; the "made from dust" theory.

opeano:
I guess they are observing the improvement rate. they have done the third dialysis test yesterday.

He isn't lookin like he is improving and the Family is helpless.

pls Nairalanders, come to our rescue.

Can they test the liver because of the jaundice someone mentioned?

You're wrong. Evolution is the best explanation for the diversity and complexity of life based on the evidence. You don't have a better theory.

We use it for admin stuff, I guess, because it's a comprehensive search. I'm sorry that it isn't working for most people.

Niflheim:
What is "ape to human" evolution?!!! What does that even mean?!!! How many times must you get it in your thick skull?!!! Humans did not come from apes!!! They share a common ancestor with a PROTO-PRIMATE which was neither a human nor an ape!!! Damn!!!

I believe, and many scientists would agree, that the common ancestor of humans and other great apes must have been an ape. I'd call it an ancient ape. But it was not a chimpanzee or any other modern ape. I think that's what the anti-evolutionists are missing. The ancient ape we descended from had 24 chromosome pairs, which modern apes except us inherited, but they've accumulated lots of DNA changes too.

DoctorAlien:
Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day. One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical. During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome . For example : In 2010,Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content ." (Nature , by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics .)
Cc: Seun.

This is like saying that we could not have evolved from mammals because the DNA of rats, which are mammals like us, is somehow different.

One one hand, there's the DNA evidence for chromosome fusion, which is strong. On the other hand, a talking snake. Which shall we choose?

DoctorAlien:
"All great apes apart from man have 24 pairs of chromosomes. There is therefore a hypothesis that the common ancestor of all great apes had 24 pairs of chromosomes and that the fusion of two of the ancestor's chromosomes created chromosome 2 in humans. The evidence for this hypothesis is very strong.".

Apparently you missed the part about the evidence being strong, which is what matters. It's stronger than the made of dust hypothesis for sure.

DoctorAlien:
Why are you lying? There is not one example of "chromosome fusion" in mammals. Do you have an example?

It's not even relevant. It's like saying that you don't believe Cheetah claws aren't retractable because no other cat has non-retractable claws.

But yeah, horses. "The most prominent example is the domestic horse, whose chromosome 5 is the result of the fusion of chromosomes 23 and 24 in Przewalski's horse, its immediate ancestor." The author of that comment has a P Hd in Evolutionary Biology, by the way.

4everGod:
From your first comment above you seem to think of yourself as some kind of authority when it comes to evolution so can we discuss the OP now?

False. But for some reason every little thing I say about evolution bothers creationists deeply and they must complain.

The way creationists constantly complain about my evolution comments makes me feel I'm doing something right that they're afraid of.

DoctorAlien:
Darwinians have no explanation for why humans and apes have a different number of chromosomes

The explanation is chromosome fusion. The evidence for chromosome fusion is strong; can't imagine how you missed it. Here's it again.

But there is not one example of "chromosome fusion" in mammals.

False. We're mammals, so our chromosome fusion is one example. There other examples of fusion in mammals, for example, horses.

I don't understand why you can't accept two chromosomes fusing together in spite of the evidence, yet you can accept a talking snake story.

Perfectdanny:
I thought The Devil is God's son. God created him just like he created all of us...

I'm just thinking aloud..... Why are they fighting? Why why why why.. Can't we all be one big happy family? Must it come to all this?

I'm yet to understand..

Have you been watching the Lucifer TV series?

DoctorAlien:
Is it not left for you to disprove the what I have said, that the human and ape chromosomes are remarkably divergent and too different for the "ape to human" evolution to explain? That the human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the chimp Y chromosome?
Disprove it!

This is not true, but we have 23 chromosome pairs while the other apes have 24. That's because one of our ancestors' chromosome pairs got combined at some point. There is clear evidence that this fusion occurred. One of our chromosome pairs matches two ape chromosomes pairs

DoctorAlien:
I believe the literal account of Bible creation.

Really? You believe God had to rest for a day after creating the world in 6 days, despite being all-powerful? That days existed before the sun?

However, you should think twice because angels possess the physical attributes of man like eyes, mouth, ears, legs, hands, thighs, etc. Even lower animals possess these attributes. Yet, the Bible says that only man was created in the image of GOD.

That should make you realise that the image of GOD in man is not about physical properties.

No, it makes me realise that the bible is full of contradictions. The mental gymnastics you must do to avoid this obvious conclusion is amazing!

KingEbukasBlog:
Are you accepting evolution on the basis of the absence of another alternative

It makes sense to accept evolution on the basis of the fact that it's the best explanation of how complex and diverse life forms came to be. Best in the sense that it fits the evidence that we have far better than anything else that has ever been proposed. If you have a better one, share it.

4everGod:
No we cannot temporarily assume anything. Lets look at the OP shall we? What part of it is wrong? Can you show us?

Is this your way of admitting that you don't have a superior alternative to the theory of evolution, which means we are 'stuck' with evolution?

4everGod:
Seun the OP just exposed your evolution Bullshit. Can you refute any part of the OP. At least try.

Let's temporarily assume that the OP is right and evolution is bullshit (LOL). What is 4everGod's superior alternative to evolution? Please tell us!

KingEbukasBlog:
To check population?

That's an unnecessarily cruel way to check population, isn't it? Is that the kind of God you believe in? Also judging by the rate at which animals are going extinct because of us, it's not even working. So your designer is both cruel and incompetent. It would have been far more sensible to check the human population by simply limiting the number of kids a woman can have. Why didn't your intelligent designer think about that?

DoctorAlien:
You don't interpret the Bible to mean what you want, and then attack that interpretation of yours. It's not intellectual.

Is this your way of saying that you don't believe in the straightforward interpretation of the biblical creation story? If so, it's disingenuous to say you believe in the biblical creation story. It's like someone saying he accepts the theory of evolution but his definition of evolution is different.

KingEbukasBlog:
Page 20 and not even a single worthy rebuttal against the OP . All these evolutionists especially the atheists should start saying something reasonable ooo

What is your alternative to evolution? If the scientific theory of evolution is false, then surely you have a more correct theory to share with us?

ambassagod:
intelligent design ... simple!

For what intelligent purpose did the designer design diseases like AIDS, Ebola, flu, catarrh, Smallpox, the plague, etc which have killed billions?

DoctorAlien:
Creation as narrated in the Bible. As a matter of fact, it is the only sensible account for the existence of life.

Are you kidding me? You believe that man is made of soil? Women are made of rib bone? That light was created before the sun? Why do we look like shaved chimpanzees if we were created in the image of God? Was the chimpanzee also created in the image of God? Oh my goodness!

hopefulLandlord:
I think the problem with the OP is that
1 its too long
2 it overwhelms you with many questions making it very arduous to address one after the other
this makes many just ignore or tackle one point

Yeah, it's a classic tactic by apologists. It is easier to manufacture bullshit than to expose it, so they just overwhelm us with torrents of bullshit.

HardMirror:
And what is your alternative to evolution if I may ask. Seems you know something many of us don't know

I hope they will answer this. Ambassagod, Anas09, DoctorAlien, can you tell us about your superior alternative to the theory of evolution?

4kings:
Abi ooo
But what do you think of radioactive dating methods, are they accurate?

I think they're not perfectly accurate, but scientists are aware of the limitations of their accuracy, which is why they use many dating methods.