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But we already know that this guy is a fraud:
http://malawinewsnow.com/2015/09/malawi-false-prophet-shepherd-bushiri-exposed-watch-video/

We will handle this discreetly. Thanks so much for pointing my attention to it.

AngelsAndStars:
Because i realized even with science questions cannot be exhausted. we are limited. i have "faith" that there's God

Where did you get the idea that it makes sense to just believe things by faith in the absence of evidence? (To me, it seems like a very bad idea)

AngelsAndStars, can you remind us of your reason for believing that God exists? Is it just something in religion you can't bear to let go of?

avicky:
Can you stop criticizing someone's religion? The last time I checked, there's freedom of religion in Nigeria. Be an atheist and let xtians too be.

I feel that setting people free from the heavy burden of religion will benefit them immensely. This is a humanitarian mission for me.

RabbaRabbi:
atheism is a scam backed by satan.. repent now...

How do you know? Were you there when atheists met with Satan to secure his backing for their intellectual venture? Did you spy on them?

Very sad. It took us years to come up with those rules.

AngelsAndStars:
I will open another thread about the creation story and you'll see clearly that it's only but a myth.

Please do this!

KingEbukasBlog:
I had to bring this from a deist's site before I'd be accused of bias .

This is a highly illogical statement. A deist site is not an objective source for the claim that Einstein is a deist.

According to an actual objective source, Wikipedia,

Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied extensively. He believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist.[1][2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

AngelsAndStars:
Lolz. what of Albert Einstein?

Albert Einstein was a pantheist, not a deist. Richard Dawkins regards pantheism as "sexed-up atheism".

AngelsAndStars:
This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.
Isaac Newton

LaClicKLaBenDin:
Seun, come and see... I guess you're more knowledgeable than Isaac Newton.

We are lucky to have been born centuries after Isaac Newton died, so we know many things about the universe that Isaac Newton didn't know.

matrix600:
My favorite villains, Elijah and Elisha. The duo were unbelievable. They command death upon people they dislike with a straight face, they don't blink.

They are on my list, too. One of them made God send a bear to brutally kill 42 children for calling him a baldie.

Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures

Like monkeys?

A beautiful local dog. I believe it's worth the price you bought it for.

AngelsAndStars:
same white man tell you that you are monkey and you accept it.

What is so bad about being a monkey (technically)? Isn't it amazing that we have done so much better than all the other monkeys?

4everGod:
Flog with what? Regurgitation? Even seun admitted to minute details being missing and bowed out

I don't like to go deep into historical stuff. Some aspects of our body of evolutionary knowledge have more evidence than other aspects. How is this a victory for you, though? You haven't explained why God had to use soil to make the male when we're elementally so different from soil.

MrMontella:
we didnt evolve from monkeys...
We both have a common ancestor..they are modern species like us..
You said we evolved from monkeys
...

No, I did not say we evolved from monkeys. I said that we are monkeys. This was my way of ramming home the common ancestor point:

Apes emerged within the catarrhines with the Old World monkeys as a sister group, so cladistically they are monkeys as well. However, traditionally apes are not considered monkeys

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey

Modern humans (Homo sapiens, primarily ssp. Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of Hominina clade (or human clade), a branch of the taxonomical tribe Hominini belonging to the family of great apes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
So technically, human beings are apes, and apes are monkeys, even if we choose not to call them that. That's why I said we are monkeys.

Simba asked his dad "if lions evolved from cats, why are there still cats?". "Child", said Mofassa, "I hate to admit this, but we are still cats!"

MrMontella:
he got it wrong...an error bro

I'm eager to learn what I got wrong. Pls go ahead and set me straight; tnx.

4everGod:
Every single chemical or organic composition found in the earth can be found either in large or trace ...

It is not meaningful to say that the human body is made from the dust of the earth if the elemental composition of the human being is so different from what it was supposedly made from. Why would God use the soil to create man which means he would need to first reconstitute the soil at an elemental level, mostly removing some elements like silicon and aluminum and adding massive quantities of others like carbon before recombining the elements into the proteins, lipids, and bones that our bodies are actually made up of? It makes no sense at all. The trouble with being an apologist is having to defend the indefensible.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
The bolded is enlightening! Speculate, right?
So, what makes you think your speculative assumptions, hold more water than the biblical perspective?

Evolution is a fact. The speculations I'm talking about are the minute details of evolution that are not fully clear based on the current evidence. Such speculations may not be so reliable, but at least they are based on some evidence. The biblical myth has no evidence at all. Some old Jew probably made up the stories to entertain his grandchildren and it was passed on until people forgot that it was made up.

4everGod:
Is all the silicon in the earth meant to be transferred into the human body? Is man the only one who needs silicon? Have you considered plants?

Can we skip the nonsense and just admit that the dust to man story was made up by people who didn't know Chemistry?

4everGod:
So you do not know that silicon is present in the human body? It is basically present in the human body in the form of either a derivative of silanate or silicic acid. It is also necessary in the diet as it increases the overall benefits of vitamin D, glucosomine and calcium. Silicon is a trace element in the body at 1%

You lie. Silicon makes up 27.7% of the earth's crust and only 0.002% of the human body. Where did the remaining 27.698% of silicon go?

LaClicKLaBenDin:
Please, Sir, I want to ask a question, and I need a very direct answer.

Please, at what point exactly did humans as we know today, evolve from apes? How did this come about? I need, the very minute details, like, was it monkeys that gave birth to the first intelligent humans, and they grew up to be intelligent and drove their monkey parents into the bush, or did the first intelligent humans just appear? I'm just curious to know, you sound like you're very versed in this respect, so, please give me some answers.

How did the first intelligent human or humans come about? And please, if you decide to use the word 'evolved', do well to explain the process.

We don't have the minute details. We can Only speculate. Such speculations would be uncertain, but still infinitely better than creationism.

Question for creationists: when god created the male from the dust of the ground, which is rich in silicon, where did all the silicon go?

Gombs:
Remember, you're yet to explain why the ostrich have a tiny brain yet an amazing bodily activity.

Big brains are expensive. Some things have to be sacrificed to make it happen. An ostrich with a big brain will have to ingest more calories to maintain the brain, and may not be able to run as fast. It may take a longer time to grow up and become independent. So unless the Ostrich finds itself in an environment where being smarter makes it far more likely to survive and reproduce, for a long time, it won't happen.

why didn't the Hominids that succeeded the monkeys wipe the monkeys out?

Most monkeys live in trees or dense forests. We don't, so they don't compete directly with us. They occupy a different niche in the system.

Did we really wipe those that preceeded us? Any evidence?

Considering our genocidal tendencies towards our fellow humans who merely worship different gods, I'd say yes. Scientists aren't sure tho.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
You and Seun could be monkeys and their offshoot, but my God created me above monkeys and made me their Master, and He gave me dominion over them. I never and can never be an evolved monkey!

You are what you are, whether you accept it or not. Facts cannot be nullified by denying them. Brains and tools gave us dominion, not God.

4everGod:
Its a good thing but you also need to point our such errors to others rather than use your hands to rewrite what they wrote. You cannot honestly think for yourself and for another on the same fair scale.

I didn't rewrite what you wrote. I corrected my original post. Is this an attempt to distract? This is the new version:

Seun:
Each hominid was probably wiped out by the hominid that succeeded it. They were in direct competition with each because, unlike other monkeys, they lived in the same places and ate and hunted similar things. The more intelligent species were more successful than the less intelligent ones and eventually drove them to extinction. Intelligence doesn't always win in nature. A deer needs speed more than it needs intelligence. Without the ability to handle tools, no amount of intelligence will help a deer against a lion. A tree monkey needs agility more than it needs intelligence, or it will fall and die. Also, intelligence is expensive. Our jaws are weak because we have smaller jaw muscles, but this leaves more space for the brain. 25% of the sugar in your blood is consumed not by your arms or legs, but by your brain. That's a lot! We are lucky that our ancestors found themselves in situations where intelligence was good for their survival. That's why we are here today.

EyeHateGod:
But this has nothing to do with evolution na evolution only explains diversification of life.. Abiogenesis does more on what they seek..

We can't get to abiogenesis until they accept evolution.

4everGod:
Do you see how you can easily be pointed out to an error on your post and you correct it quickly

I made a mistake, you corrected me, and I accepted the correction. I also indicated it publicly. Isn't that a good thing?

4everGod:
The Bolded killed your argument!

Corrected. Thanks.

felixomor:
How are u a monkey?
Then what is a human being?

Biologically, yes. More specifically, we are apes, like chimpanzees and gorillas. Our unwillingness to accept this suggests enormous pride.

And then u say "more intelligent" ones.
Please who determined the ones to be "more intelligent"?

We are not 100% sure that they were less intelligent but all the hominids except the Neanderthals had smaller brains.

And in which order did the evolution take place? The more intelligent or the less intelligent, who eveolved first?
If u say the lesser ones evolved first, it means they were watching as humans evolved and started building houses abi?

First, try to understand it. Then if you still think you are smarter than the scientists who figured it out, you can start criticizing it.

EyeHateGod:
Can someone tell me why the discussing of the thread has turned to Evolution is that what the op is About?

The most common objection to atheism is, "if you don't believe in God, then who created us?" That's how we got there.

I'm going to answer some questions that most scientists would dismiss as being silly.

Gombs:
If we evolved from monkeys, how come we still have monkeys?

We didn't just evolve from monkeys. We are monkeys. Look at your face, then look at a monkey's face. Look at your hands, then look at a monkey's hands. We still have forest dwelling, tree climbing, furry monkeys because they didn't compete directly with us as hominids did.

Like Lambanopeace's picture, what happened to those in between our evolution? Where are they? Or do you mean we just moved from monkey to man?

Each hominid was probably wiped out by the hominid that succeeded it. They were in direct competition with each because, unlike monkeys, they lived in the same places and ate and hunted similar things. The more intelligent species were more successful than the less intelligent ones and eventually drove them to extinction. Intelligence doesn't always win in nature. A deer needs speed more than it needs intelligence. Without the ability to handle tools, no amount of intelligence will help a deer against a lion. A tree monkey needs agility more than it needs intelligence, or it will fall and die. Also, intelligence is expensive. Our jaws are weak because we have smaller jaw muscles, but this leaves more space for the brain. 25% of the sugar in your blood is consumed not by your arms or legs, but by your brain. That's a lot! We are lucky that our ancestors found themselves in situations where intelligence was good for their survival. That's why we are here today.

AngelsAndStars:
seun the brain of an elephant and the brain of a man which is bigger?

Larger animals usually have larger brains because more brainpower is required just to control the entire body, which is why the brain size to mass ratio is more representative of intelligence, though not exactly. The elephant has a smaller brain relative to its size than we do relative to our size, yet it's undeniably one of the smartest animals in the world. Dolphins, which also are incredibly smart, have large brains relative to their size. The structure of the brain is also important. Our brains have a more complex, convoluted, interconnected structure than most.

Gift101:
Are u trying to tell me it is right for God to surrender himself.

Why not, if that's what he came to the world to do? I think the whole idea of him dying for our sins was made up after he was killed unexpectedly. But let's return to the topic of biblical villains...