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4everGod:
You miss the entire message in Philemon 1. Philemon was also a believer and a convert of Paul. Paul placed a demand and reminded him that even He (Philemon) owed him his life. I suggest you read it again.

In the New International Version, the section beginning at verse 8 is titled "Paul's Plea for Onesimus". Paul was just trying to help out a friend.

chrmn1: Would it have been morally acceptable for the Americans to take Iraqis as slaves after defeating their leader? If not, why not?

@hopefulLandlord: hope they listen to you.

4everGod:
When someone demands that a legally bought slave should be free even as he now sees him as a free man what does that depict to you? Support?

It was not a demand; it was a plea. He personally loved Onesimus and as such wished for him to be freed, so he sent a passionate appeal to his master. Nobody wants their close friends and family members to be enslaved. Not even slave owners. So Paul should get no credit for this.

4everGod:
Slaves were seen as spoils of war

ISIS sees the Christian women they capture as spoils of war. Boko Haram saw the Chibok girls as spoils of war. Why is it now suddenly wrong?

I asked you if you knew that your forefathers also had slaves of their own but you dodged that question. Were your forefathers Christians? The History of the Yoruba race where they using the Bible? Yet they were slave herders and had slaves at their beck and call to do with as they please true or false?

Yes, but nobody is defending them. Nobody is saying that it was ok for our forefathers to enslave each other. We admit that they were wrong.

Gift101: that sounds like one of Pastor Adeboye's unconfirmable stories. Where did you hear it? Did you know the brother?

4everGod:
(Philemon 1:10-21) 10. I appeal to you for my child Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my imprisonment,

Yes, Paul wanted Onesimus to be freed by his master who was a Christian, but it was a personal plea for a friend, not a divine command. How does this say that landlords whose tenants have failed to pay their rent mustn't take their neighbours' children as slaves in lieu of payment?

I feel sad for the apologists who are desperately trying to defend the indefensible. Being forced to defend an evil practice must be awful.

4everGod:
You are an atheist! Why does the content of the Bible upset you so? If it were to be a Harry Potter book or a book about zeus would it upset you this much? If in Harry potter books he killed 1 million people would it upset you?

If Harry Potter fans started killing people in real life because Harry Potter did it, we would all be upset. People used the bible to justify slavery.

4EverGod, you said that you don't support slavery by ISIS or Nigerians because the era in which slavery is morally acceptable has passed. When did this era pass? There is no condemnation of slavery in the New Testament either, so why shouldn't you enslave your debtors' kids, etc?

chrmn1:
You see you wouldn't know anything about God's original intent as regards divorce if the Jews did not task Him on the issue.

Gosh! Are you suggesting the Almighty God has poor communication skills? That he couldn't explain his intentions properly? How dare you.

God's omnipotence will not override human free will else we'd become robots.

God's failure to condemn slavery overrode the free will of millions of people worldwide, especially Africans like us, who were forced into slavery.

If you tell a slave to go free and he insists that he'll like to continue in the slavery then maybe the terms were not so harsh on the slave.

Under what terms would you agree to become my property, to be used and bred as I please, and sold or passed on to my kids later?

4evergod, do you support the enslavement of Christian women by ISIS if the Christian women are "well-treated" like the slaves of bible jews?

Do you support the enslavement of Nigerians who can't pay their debts because of the economic recession, or their kids, so they "won't starve?"

@jcross19, thank you for being honest about this and taking the right moral stand; you have my respect.

Honest atheist versus professional Christian apologist. I prefer an 'angry' person who is right to a passive-aggressive hypocrite who is wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MFmC6BD1B4
The above video is highly relevant; please watch it if you have enough data.

Either this is just a coincidence,
or God loved this man so much that He allowed him to be seriously injured in a plane crash and barely escape with his life.

Good question. The answer is that the ancient Jews who wrote the Bible didn't think slavery was wrong. They grew up with it and it was normal to them. The thought of abolishing it completely must have seemed ridiculous to them. How would you pay your debts if you couldn’t sell your daughters as slaves? What would you do with conquered tribes if you couldn’t enslave them? They couldn't imagine life without slavery.

The alternative explanation is that God thinks slavery is ok, and ISIS should not be condemned for practicing it.

JoeBlocks:
Pardon me, but I must ask why you even bother to watch these videos?

I want to understand exactly how large numbers of people are being led to believe in the existence things that, in my view, do not exist.

ogoina87:
The HOLY GHOST it self is a clear show of GOD'S existence, don't you see healing, miracles, deliverance, and prophecies?

I don't believe that any miracles are happening. One can get people to testify that they have received miracles by teaching them certain doctrines such as: (1) when you feel you may have been healed, giving a testimony about it can make your healing permanent. (2) Anything good that happens in your life is a miracle, and if you give God the credit for those good things, more good things will happen to you.

Is there a video of yesterday's session?

Has it started?

iliyande:
It seems your main problem with Christianity is all about tithes. And I believe that this same problem started when you started getting wealthy that you cannot longer give 1% of your wealth as tithe to your church anymore, then assumed yourself in the position of atheist......

That's an interesting theory, but it's not true. I was an unwanted squatter in Fajuyi Hall extension of OAU-Ife when I became an atheist.

So they wanted to implement a tax on a feature than Nigerians no longer use as much.

dikerebel:
70,000 what? Let me go and commit suicide there is no hope again

Me too.

Do they pay tithes at Daystar? If they can convince Ms Alakija to pay her tithes, can you imagine just how much money that would amount to?!

Seun:
Why did you get the Caucasian? You fell for a dog breeder's self-serving advice? Now Trish won't get the attention you were planning to give.

Update: on the other hand, Trish being so young, I!m sure that she is happy to have a playmate and would learn bite inhibition more easily.

He's really promising answered prayer today. Why do people believe him? God wants to help, but he waited for Shiloh 2016 before doing so?

Miracle Stories:

Apparently a blind woman woke up in the morning seeing from the first time.

They brought someone from Taiwan afflicted by the devil. He laid hands on her, the power of God hit her, and she got up and started running.

Bishop Oyedepo and Pastor Adeboye perform their most amazing miracles when no one is around to witness it. We only hear the stories.

They are saying the grace now. The second in command pastor, whose name eludes me. That was really fast.

"God bless you, see you tomorrow 5:30am"

"Every prayer prayed on this ground by anyone that will dare to take it on his heart and pray will return with answers."
What a brave promise!

He mentioned the case of the widow who gave her last food to a prophet instead of her children in a time of famine (equivalent to recession).

He's bragging about his health. Apparently he has never worked harder than he worked this year. But from his looks, he's obviously aging.

Businessmen struggle financially because they dont pay tithe. Finance is a non-issue for him because of his tithes, (not the offerings he collects)

Prayer Point: "Ask God to imbue you with the spirit of obedience" "unreserved obedience" "complete obedience" "take it!"
(so that when we call for offerings, you will obediently submit all your money completely and unreservedly?)

UPDATE: He's talking about the power of giving covenants, so my guess about the reason for the "complete obedience" prayer was right!

He's doing an altar call for people who want to surrender their lives to Christ. Pastor Adeboye does this too. But why? Everybody attending the programme should be a Christian already. Why would a non-Christian even be there? I guess it's mostly Christians who feel they have sinned.

expert1:
Don't forget that NOT all Bloggers make money (profit).

Differences: (1) Nobody promised that bloggers will make money. (2) Blogging can be useful to society whether or not you make money.

We should post comments about what the bishop is saying. The stories, things we love, and things we might disagree with.

iykenathan162:
Kindly explain in one sentence how u cheat on the pple u invite.

By assuring them that they'll earn great returns on their "investment", which is not true since the scheme is fundamentally unsustainable. It may be true for some people, but it will be untrue for most people, and you can't be sure that your downlines will be among the lucky few. If all the people who join a HYIP are informed about the mathematical realities of the program, it won't even take off. There must be many mugus.