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himkers: Seun, am suggesting that you create a subsection in the Pets Section here. It will serve as Ads section for buying and selling of pets and other pet related transactions. The Pet section is not a bit arranged. Its an opinion though

We feel that it may be premature to split the section for now. This is from intuition based on our years of experience in managing the forum.

begunatoye: As a vet

Please help me out here, sir: https://www.nairaland.com/1824200/dogs-ear-discomfort-making-me Thank you so much in advance.

I must also point that raw feeding does not only include feeding dogs raw meat and bones alone, it also includes feeding vegetables, fruit, raw eggs and milk or yogurt to dogs.

There are two ways to feed raw. There's the BARF model which is what you have described, and the prey model which seems to make more sense to me and also requires less effort. It postulates that dogs do not need vegetables. That they can satisfy their vitamin requirements by eating all the organs of prey animals. They only need veggies (grass, weeds) when they have upset stomachs and want to induce vomiting.

Raw feeding is expensive for owners of large dogs

Oluomoadebayo has figured out how to feed raw cheaply. But yeah, it's generally more expensive. Rice and cooked fish is more affordable.

fraught with exposure of dogs and owners to bacterial infection (salmonella, Ecoli)

But sir, dogs eat poop. They also like to bury their bones in the ground and then eat them when they get ripe i.e. overrun with bacteria. And these practices rarely hurt them. This makes me feel that most dogs will be fine with raw food that was meant for human consumption.

and risk of dog choking on bones (not funny when your dog can't bark or eat cos of bones lodged in the throat.)

Raw feeders say that raw bones are softer than cooked bones and hence less likely to cause issues. My experience confirms this. Yesterday I gave my dog a cooked chicken bone. This is a dog that has devoured many whole chickens. And he found it very difficult to crunch the bone. Realising the danger, I retrieved the bone and threw it away. Most dog owners do give their dogs cooked bones from time to time, and only occasionally do they have intestinal obstructions. Raw bones, being softer, should be less likely to cause problems to dogs. Raw feeders only needs to avoid bones that are most likely to be problematic e.g. bones that are too hard to crack or too small to chew properly.

A dog fed only meat will suffer from nutritional imbalance hence the pertinent need for supplementation.

I agree. Muscle meat doesn't contain all the nutrition they need. That's why the prey model recommends 10% organs and 10% bone too.

If you want to switch your dog's diet to raw diet, do it gradually and observe your dog's response. Raw feeding has it advantages though, hence, each owner should weigh the pros and cons before deciding.

Many raw feeders believe mixing raw food with other food is dangerous because they don't digest the same way. It leads to upset stomachs which would be blamed on the raw food. They recommend feeding the dog a half ration of his normal food one day (so his stomach will be almost empty by the next day) & then feeding the dog a half ration of raw food the next day (to give the digestive system time to adapt).

Jcob: Drake is somehow choosy when it comes to feeding. He prefers raw food like chicken and fish.

Dogs can be choosy when they know they have options. My dog rejected his morning fish day before yesterday, so I just waited for him to get over it. He reluctantly ate it in the evening, day before yesterday. By yesterday when I brought his next titus in, he was excited over it.

Security wise, I love his alertness but my big problem remains . . . .this dog no dey bark!

You can hire a stranger to act as a bad guy and provoke the dog in order to encourage him to bark. This is called "agitation" and it's important for security training. Some silly children have been doing this for me free of charge. They bang our gate just to annoy my dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T0FMhh1LBA

Inkredible: Of recent, the way u question peoples originality is somehow rude. I have been a constant Ghost reader on pet section n I urge you to show respect to these people. No be for only here. Even outside NL. Thank you.

Apitch: Supported!!! Don't know about outside NL but oga abeg show some respect

I'm sorry bros. I hereby apologize for challenging himkers' faboolous tale disrespectfully. Who are the other people I questioned, though?

If you can't afford to buy a GSD, get a small local dog and treat it well. Cut your coat according to your size. If you love dogs, treat them well.

vizboy: Pls Seun I don't knw if it just me but I don't know what your name is still doing close to that disclaimer we already know u are the owner of the forum, can you remove it please it so 1980, and please we need a dislike button

Thanks for the suggestions. I will surely think about them and implement them if it's right to do so.

Assuming this story is true, then it's none of your business. The story seems contrived. If we were to question you, it would fall apart.

jamp: oga seun, tell us your location, poultry farmers around will contact you.

Ota, Ogun State.

Thank you all for your valuable advice, which I really appreciate. We will work hard to implement the ideas that will make Nairaland better.

What do they weigh?

How heavy are your 2 to 4 month old rabbits?

@oluomoadebayo: Maybe this guy can help? https://www.nairaland.com/1836943/what-need-know-before-importing#25120468

I need a sample of what you want. You can post it on this thread so others can comment.

timbros: @Seun, below is the dog. I don't know the age but I know its not a puppy.

Coldplay007: LOL.. see as everybody disappear from thread when they saw the 'GSD'..
OP this is not a GSD, this is a pure unadulterated bingo aka African mongrel...

It may not be 100% pure, but that doesn't matter. What matters is whether you like the dog as it is or not. Its coat is similar to that of pure brindle GSDs, but short, which makes it easy to keep it clean. It seems small, but smaller dogs cost less to feed well, and bark just as loud. If you don't want to adopt her, you can help your in-law to advertise the dog on Nairaland for a reasonable price, so it will go to a good home.

FKO1: I AM GUESSING THEY ARE FOR YOUR DOGS ? OGA SEUN THESE DAYS YOU MAKE ME WONDER

Yeah, my dog. I can get whole chicken flesh and chicken laps/wings quite cheap but without the offal it's not a balanced diet for my dog. Help!

Please tell me how to get the internal organs and entrails that are removed from slaughtered chickens while they are being prepared for sale.

I'd also like to have an estimate of how much the poultry offal (organs) will cost per chicken and/or per kilogram, and any other useful info.

Thanks!

Pls send your evidence of payment to the given address, sir. I will process your payment as soon as I can. Apologies for the delay.

ocheejemb: I played around with CSS using Stylebot on Google Chrome on voila. I will continue to play around with it anyways, till I get a Nairaland theme i like :-D

Interesting. Pls keep me update on the development of your theme and let's see what it looks like on mobile as well.

kuzee: Guys where can i get GSD, i so much love that Dog. How much does it cost..

Apparently, 30k to 100k depending on purity and age. Impure ones are usually smaller and thus require less food.

i desire to have one, both male and female

The more dogs you have, the less you can take care of them. Also, if you have both male and female, you won't be able to control when the female gets pregnant. The male will be knocking her up all the time. Just get one good dog and try to take very good care of it.

If you don't have any money to buy a dog, how will you feed and take care of the dog properly, especially if it's not a local dog?

sisiafrika: if there must be holy spirit then evil spirit must exist to make up the balance.

Since there are no evil spirits, this is a strong argument for atheism. Well done, bro!

Jcob: My dog failed to eat indomie waste so I got a kilo of sha wa for him this morning. He ate 2 out of 4 without my help in cutting the fish. Guess the 2 is enough for him today.

Uncooked Shawa contains an Enzyme called Thiaminase that destroys vitamin B1. Feeding it regularly will cause beriberi. You should cook it (some minutes in the microwave) or give the dog a Vitamin B1 supplement or avoid feeding him raw Shawa fish more than 1 day per week.

I've switched my dog to raw Titus fish. It is an almost balanced diet; it contains all organs which provide vitamins. I was going to start feeding him raw chicken and 10 - 15% raw cow organs but yesterday, after eating some raw liver, my dog was reluctant to eat his 1/2 chicken even after I deboned it for him (the commonly sold chicken has far too much bone) so in anger I decided I won't waste too much time on the ungrateful dog's food. Titus fish is probably not a fully balanced diet, though, because it's a fish and wolves/dogs don't eat fish. It's nutrient composition is probably a bit different from that of traditional wolf prey (herbivorous mammals). I will feed my dog with chicken bones (for calcium and dental health) regularly and cow organs (especially liver, for vitamins that may be low in Titus fish) occasionally.

I will give my dog two opportunities to eat every day. During each one, I will allow the dog to eat as much Titus fish as he wants. I will cut slices and give each one to him after he obeys a command, until he stops eating, & then the "kitchen" will be closed for 12 hours.

goodtalk: Oga Seun.

Kindly take a second look, i still cant access my previous thread on google it keeps displaying error message. Please assist.

Regards.

its too late sir.

jeff1607: Y do dogs move in circles before a leak or poo

To find the perfect spot.

We are aware of the glitch... it was due to some mistakes made during a routine micro-upgrading of the forum.

ocheejemb: My pet peeve right now is the FB/LK/ MT/ FG etc menu items at the top of the page which do not convey any information to a naive user.

The abbreviated links are only shown when there is no new content on the pages they point to. You can see what they mean by hovering.

Jcob: What about mixing the indomie with Shawa?

If the goal is not to waste the already bought Indomie, mix a small portion it with corned beef. It's not so great for them, but no dog rejects it.

Trying to teach mine the tug game. . . .but he would just drop the object once I pull.

Try a sack (apo). The type that's made of woven nylon. When your puppy bites it, it will make some interesting sounds that I think dogs like.

Jcob: Please help! Got waste indomie mixed with fat and calcium for my dog. But he won't just eat. Tried all I could. . . .He would just smell and leave. What can I do

I don't blame him. You were giving him fowls to hunt and now you want him to eat waste products! Not fair bro! What about protein? Try rice and boiled Shawa fish instead. Rice is easy to digest and Shawa fish is cheap and very good for carnivores. Or mix the 'waste' with corned beef.

Your early success with training your puppy motivated me to start training my dog again. He now knows the difference between 'sit' and 'down'.

drehdinho: Please anybody ready to give me a puppy for free? Will really appreciate it.

Please create a new thread to discuss that!

standd: Hi Seun
My friend's dog just delivered 5 beautiful puppies. He promised to give me one of them as soon as the puppies open their eyes (I don't know what this means).
I don't know anything about dogs but I just want this puppy cos I crave for a pet.
I hope I won't be spending my whole salary to take care of the puppy oh

Which breed are they? It takes a lot of hard work to raise a puppy properly. Please consider buying a well-behaved adult dog instead. The rice and boiled shawa fish diet is cheaper than raw, so you can go for that, but it would be smart to supplement with vitamins. Try to wait until the puppy is 10 -12 weeks old before adopting it. Puppies that have spent more time with their mothers and siblings are better behaved.

Mynd44: Seun, I don't know about this raw food thingy oooo. I have had dogs for a long time now, I don't feed them raw food and they are okay. My dogs go on a steady diet of rice and boiled fish. My sister and her husband are even trying out a new diet of Crayfish with theirs, the dogs seem to love it so far without and side effects.

Our family dogs also eat rice and boiled fish/chicken and they are very healthy; even overweight. I've read that rice is the easiest carbohydrate for dogs to digest. When I fed my dog crushed indomie and corned beef instead of rice and fish (because I don't have time to cook for myself, not to talk of a dog), his poops were awful, but I have never fed him rice. Indomie is made with wheat flour which is hard to digest compared to rice. It contains some proteins that dogs cannot absorb, so they are passed out as smelly and watery poop. Some dog foods (especially dry) are also made with wheat flour. Based on your experience as well as ours, I agree that most dogs will do well on a diet of rice and boiled fish.

About the poop, I inspect their poop most times and the poop comes out as poop no semi-processed food so I assume the food is completely digested.

What color is the poop? Is it firm or mushy? Does it turn white afterwards? Do your dogs get leftover bones regularly?

I don't experience the bad breath or yellow teeth cos we make sure we clean their mouth at regular intervals......

My dog is probably predisposed to bad breath and yellow teeth. Our family dogs eat rice and boiled fish and they don't have bad breath and yellow teeth (though their teeth are not really white). Maybe it's because of the bones in their fish and the leftover bones they get regularly.

I really don't like feeding my dogs raw food, I don't want them liking the scent of blood for any reason as we have kids around em

When a dog bites a human, it is not out of hunger but out of fear or aggression, just like when a dog bites another dog.

You might say there is no direct relationship but none of my dogs will touch raw meat even when you give them.
Although they have bitten overzealous guests once or twice , they seem to stop at immobilizing rather than actually bitting and feeding on the person as they don't really like raw meat and blood. You need to create a balance, do you want pets or guard dogs which will be trained killers. If you have kids around the area where your dogs live and play, raw meat is a no no.

Do you really believe a dog will feed on humans just because it eats raw food? My raw-fed dog has never fed on the small prey animals he hunted, not to talk of feeding on human beings. When a dog bites a human being, it is out of aggression or fear and not to satisfy its hunger. When dogs bite children it's usually because the children are doing something dumb like trying to take their food, pulling their ears, etc. My dog bit a guest and nipped me twice (for touching his food and taking a tennis ball from his mouth) before I started feeding him raw. Since I started feeding him raw food, he has not bitten or nipped any person. I can take raw chicken from the same dog that bit me for touching his indomie.

My mum did have a boerboel to herself once, silly dog. She ate everything my mum ate including apples, pineapples, groundnuts, coconuts and developed a special likeness for garden eggs

We have a mixed breed dog that is fond of pastries: bread, biscuits, cake, etc. Dogs can survive on human food, but it's not ideal for their health. Rice and fish is ok because rice is easy to digest and provides energy so the fish protein can be used exclusively for body-building.

I don't experience the bad breath or yellow teeth cos we make sure we clean their mouth at regular intervals......

henry007: might just be your dogs pedigree.....when you brush your dog's teeth regularly(1/2 times a week) it stays white, even almost glowing

This is an acceptable and affordable alternative to feeding raw for dental health. What kind of toothpaste do you use and what techniques? If a dog's teeth are already yellow, will brushing alone remove the hard tartar? (In humans, tartar removal requires dental scaling and polishing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZlJ8XfwiNg