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Now this definately gets my attention, who ever thought of this is a very funny dude. My question is, who is the Imam? Salahudeen Al-Ayuubi?

@emofine2
As tbaba rightly said, women wouldnt be subservient to men in paradise... I'll like to believe i understand you properly now hence this response...
Islamically, humans and jinns are the only creation of Allah given the free will to make decisions as u have already made yours in regards to marriage. Still, Allah has given us the guidelines to attaining salvation, explaining the acceptable and not acceptable. Emofine2, if there were no pious to inhabit paradise then there would be no houris awaiting them...all is in the master plan. Unlike humans, the houris in paradise are creation given their role by Allah and are well contended and satisfied with such role they are to play; for there isnt any narration to state otherwise...such is the case of the angels too. Permit me to also want to state my opinion after much thought in regards to females attaining paradise and what will become of them. As rightly stated from d Qur'an by lagosshia, male and female in paradise shall receive thier rewards in full, given whatsoever h/she wishes for. I believe it true that a woman who attains paradise without a husband perhaps she died young or her husband didnt make it to paradise will be rewarded with whatever she wishes for; being on her own or with a companion...we all know that human naturally are inclined to companionship.
Now the paradise we talking about is perfect, there is no competition with friends or foes, no house chores or babies to care for, no filth will come from you, may i also mention there will be male servants at your beck and call with cups made of silver and gold, you recline on lofty cushions underneath perpetual shades, your wants and needs are instantaneously catered for...how can you then be subservient to anyone?

@ emofine2 Many are times we conclude that our spouses are God's gift, perhaps due to the pleasure we have found in them or such important role they play in our lives. The companions of paradise are indeed rewards to the pious, they are solely created for the believers to play so many roles which might not be known to us. the concept of paradise and what it entails comprises of earthly similitude but to a very large extent distinct and beyond our comprehension...women were never objectified in Islam, they are always held in high esteem.

^ i think he is confused, mixed up some numbers and stuff...how i wish there was a deadline for submission

logicboy: It is not an amazing coincidence when you realise that you divided 2 groups of numbers into 2. Getting four equal summations is nothing. This is basic maths and accounting. You take figures from the income statement, trial balance and the statement of cash flows and you get balanced figures in the balance sheet.

So, it is not a miracle? Then what do you mean by this?



A sign from the lord would be supernatural and therefore a miracle itself since the supernatural is not natural

yeah, its simple 2+2, since you attended a university, studied loads of arithmetic and logic and have the luxury of owning a laptop and an internet access...we talking of a 7th century revelation to an illiterate man which contains a mathematical accuracy which clearly indicates the fact that he cant be the author (oh i remember! the prophet was taught by Pythagoras smh).
did you even look at the calculations?

LagosShia: america,saudi,turkey and qatar do not want bashar al-assad.there is foreign interference to destroy syria.they are sending weapons and terrorists to strengthen the armed opposition that is absolutely not in the interests of syrians.and in the process,more innocent syrians are killed.

here is a thread i just started to shed light on what is going on in syria:

https://www.nairaland.com/951367/suicide-bomber-auction-saudi-arabia

And for how long will this continue? we can keep blaming saudi et al. for smuggling arms etc. but the onus lies on president Assad to take a decisive action to stop the atrocities being committed. we all watch the footage of how the rebels are being bombarded by assad's army...why is the peace plan by Koffi Annan not being accepted? if you do have enough proof of international interference in destabilizing Syria, wouldn't the international community be the best to tender your case to?

maclatunji: Almost LOL!

why almost na? you need to let it out o

deols: Sino inspired this idea. So,eevry like or dislike should go to him

this is it. let us av a relationship profile. tell us the category you belong to.

1. Single and Seriously searching

2. Single and searching

3. Single and waiting for the perfect mate

4. Married(man) and searching

5. Single, not searching, just passing by.

6. Attached/hooked/engaged

You can also tell us your relationship experiences. what has happened. what you're wary of, e.t.c

@bolded, ye paripa! i beg o
now were do i fall? 5. is kinda tempting...i think there should be: single, got my eyez on a sister/brother or wotcha think?

Indeed Allah saya the truth...most of those denying the divine source of the Qur'an know deep down the impossibility of what they claim to be its source but do so just to deceive themselves and not accept the truth.

^yeah, me think they said that to keep brothers off their backs...imagine brothers wey still they collect pocket money from parents wants to do nikkah

Coincidence ke? This is what i call one of the sophistication in which are inherent in the Qur'an which makes it impossible to replicate not only that, it also shows that it cant be written by an illiterate with such mathematical accuracy. reminds me of sheikh deedat's booklet on the miracle of No. 19(or something like that)...Subhanallah!

This is really sad, i dont know why syria case just keep getting worse and complecated. May Allah have mercy on the departed souls amin

no be small things o...
couldn't read all through though but from the few i read its sure an interesting thread...
I remember a programme we attended while in school(MSSN). and we were asked to introduce ourselves come see introduction...
my name is sister Hamdalah single but not searching
my name is sister Zzainab single but strongly attached
Brothers just tire sha that day lol

maclatunji: ***Walks into office and thread, sees that thread is being taken-over by alien "singles", shakes head in dismay. ***

EEeeeeeeeerrRMMM... My fellow aliens-to-this-thread singles. Our presence initiated by moi is becoming a major sense of discomfort to the 'Earthlings' of this thread (Married Muslim Gentlemen and Ladies). I hereby implore all of us (including myself) to swarm back to our natural home before we destroy this planet , sorry thread. Let us aliens-to-this-thread move here https://www.nairaland.com/751801/muslim-singles-let-us-talk .

Any naughty aliens might get squashed!

Thank you.

And of course

LWKMD awon apons

mazaje: What is this?. . .You clearly do not understand what I was talking about, I was asking for historical sources outside the hadiths which were written by his cronies with an agenda in mind that talk about Mohammed during his period which corroborate anything written about him in the hadith and you are bringing quotes from people that lived 1500-1600 after his death?. . .Let me give you an example, Herod the great was written about by people that lived far away from him in Rome during his period, Some people that lived and had nothing to do with Jesus during the second century wrote a few things about Jesus outside the bible. . .NOTHING we know about the prophet comes out of Muslims sources. . Everything we know about him came from people that were out to convert others and make them accept him and his alleged divine revelations. . .

I do understand you, i presented the quotes to show non-Muslims conclusions on the Qur'an and the Prophet(saw). When you have only a single source does it invalidate the information? are there no other means to verify these events if not all, at least some of them?
I got this from wiki
"There are non-muslim sources written in greek, syriac, armenian, and Hebrew by jewish and christian communities. These non-muslim written sources go back to about 636AD and many of the interesting ones dates within some decade later.
One attributed to a 7th century armenian scholar Sebeos, states that Muhammed was a marchant and that his preaching revolved around the figure of Abraham. There are also confirmations of Muhammed's migration from mecca to medina in them"
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Historicity_of_Muhammad

mazaje: Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence, hope you know that?. . .The Koran makes extra ordinary claims and provides less than ordinary evidence to back its claims. . .I would have expected people living as far away as Rome for example, historians that are neutral to the Islamic course and agenda, to have written some things that will corroborate anything written about Mohammed in the hadiths, but no we have NO outside source to tell us anything about Mohammed all we have are the biased writing's of muslims with their agenda which is to convert people and make them believe their stories. . .Compare the story of Mohammed to that of Jesus and you will see what I am talking about, Neutral writers wrote about Jesus outside the Gospels, some as far as Rome, others are neutral, they just wrote a thing or two about him that agree a little with what the bible says about him for example, what do we have for Mohammed outside what muslims with an agenda and their one sided story? NOTHING. . . .Every thing we know about him, we know only through the mouth of his alleged cronies who had an agenda. . .

Non-Muslim verdict on Muhammed and the Qur'an
1. " 'I believe in one God, and Mahomet, the Apostle of God,' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol: the honours of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue: and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."
(Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley, History of the Saracen Empire, London 1870, p. 54.)

2. "Muhammed was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him."
(Diwan Chand Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta 1935, p. 122.)

3. "Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabis the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race... Muhammed..."
(John William Draper, M.D., a History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, vol. 1, pp. 329-330.)

4. "I doubt whether any man whose external conditions changed so much ever changed himself less to meet them."
(R.V.C. Bodley, The Messenger, London 1946, p. 9.)

5. "That his(Muhammad's) reforms enhanced the status of women in general is universally admitted."
(H.A.R. Gibb, Mohammedanism, London 1953, p. 33.)

6. "In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal ruler of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world."
(John Austin, "Muhammad the Prophet of Allah." in T.P.'s and Cassal's weekly for 24th September 1927.)

7. "Next to the Bible it(Qur'an) is the most esteemed and most powerful religious book in the world."
(J. Christy Wood, Introducing Islam, New York 1950, p. 30.)

8. "Well then, if the Koran were his own composition other men could rival it. Let them produce ten verses like it. If they could not (and it is obvious that they could not), then let them accept the koran as an outstanding evidential miracle."
(H.A.R. Gibb, Mohammedanism, London 1953, p. 33.)

9. " So there has been no opportunity for any forgery or pious fraud in the Koran, which distinguishes it from almost all other important religious works of ancient times... It is exceedingly strange that this illiterate person should have composed the best book in the language."
(Basanta Coomar Bose, Mahomedanism, Calcutta 1931, p. 4)

These quotes were obtained from the booklet titled: "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam" by Prof. K.S. Ramakrishna Rao

mazaje: Many books are better than the Koran. . . My secondary school biology text book explains the science of living things with the relationship they share with their environment better than the Koran can ever state it. . .

Is this a joke or what? I ask you for a similitude of the qur'an and the best you can do is to talk about your secondary school textbook that has been edited, super editied and revised so many times? What standard are using to compare the two? Mind you, the Qur'an is not a book of science but does contain scientific facts that cannot be refuted by any scientist.
The Qur'an is a holy book, a guide, the criterion for good and evil. There is nothing like it in style and delivery of literature, it stands the test of time and up till now, it remains the same. Over 1400years and no dent to it.

mazaje: False, outside sources are needed to know how credible ancient stories are. . . .Back then there was nothing life fictional stories everything was accepted and recorded as history. . . .A one sided report that is made to draw converts and make a person gain followers is not reliable, by the way all the hadiths as we know them today did NOT exist during the time of Mohammed most were written about 50 or more years after he died some as long as 100 years to have any real meaning. . .The fact that there are NO outside sources to corroborate what is written in them makes them more questionable. . .The hadiths are religious documents not history books to be used in history classes. . .

I would like to know what other sources or outside sources you want?
The Qur'an states that the course of Allah is on one who writes with his own hands and claims it divine. The Qur'an also put out an open challenge to test its authenticity...i honestly do not know what else you want. Perhaps if i may ask what probability of being authentic(not being distorted) a story with one source and another with say 5 sources? I guess you know the answer mathematically.
Islamic scholars have really done a most wonderful job in trying to weed off the fabricated hadiths from the authentic ones. The science of hadith is the branch of knowledge that is dedicated to tackle this aspect of the religion. You should look into it and see how hadiths are standardized.
Thank God we are on a religous board and islamic section to be precise not in a history class. Even in your history classes, you have no choice but use thesereligious documents.

@uplawal Barakallahu fihi! May Allah bless your baby girl and protect her from the evils in this world amin.
How i wish say i fit come chop the haqiqah....

Logic Mind: so these are what you abokis and your Yoruba slaves spend your time on. asking useless questions. no wonder poverty is your portion.

And you havent seen an igbo muslim? As well as poor atheist? Even some people denounce God cos of poverty and their lives remain the same.

mazaje: There is NOTHING in the koran that can not be written by men that lived at that time. . .There are MANY books that exist that are MUCH better in everything and every aspect of life. . .

Then you should provide a similitude of the Qur'an, i swear i no go brag about it again!

mazaje: If you know anything about history then you wouldn't be making this statement, historians measure different things before giving authenticity to certain historical claims, the more the different and diverse sources about a historical figure the more authenticity it gets. . .A story about me from my family that paints me only in good light and is written to make people revere and honour me is not to be accepted by others without external corroboratory stories from outside sources. . .Everything we know about Mohammed we know from people with an agenda who wrote a very one sided record of events about him. . .Most of what was written about him were in reverence of him and written to make people believe in him by his cronies. . .Tbaba123 did not thrash anything, even the Koran clearly acknaoledge the fact that even at that time people were accusing Mohammed of copying the stories of others, the Koran only states that they were lying. . .The hadith also talks about an ex Christian that wrote parts of the Koran for Mohammed. . .To say that the Arabs during the time of Mohammed were not familiar with the stories of the bible is just a very big lie. . .

Yes indeed, i agree that other sources claiming the same info will butress the authenticity so also is a single account with no contradictory information.
Only if you want me to speculate that you are a bad person, then your family's account about you stands authentic until proven otherwise.
Lets work with the source we have, use a lot of our reasoning and objectivity, perhaps all will be clear.

logicboy: You can do better. Explain the specifics because I'm happy and good without God

Well, you should know that islam explains the reason for you and i being on this planet and what will eventually be our end. Rather than lecture you, why dont you tell me your purpose in life? Why are you alive? What brought about your existence? maybe then i will be able to explain the specifics.

@ mazaje
Authentic it is, up till now; no such book exist such as the Qur'an.
The tales are one sided you say, can a stranger tell about your family more than you? You keep claiming different things, muslims are the only source cos they have agenda abi? What stopped the others from writing their own observations and stories?
The case of the "inlaw" and "christian revert" has been trashed by tbaba1234, you are only suggesting that they did influence the writing of the qur'an without adequate evidence. To me, your arguments holds no water.

How will islam make your life better?
Let me borrow a phrase from zig zigler, Islam will make your life better by changing you from "a wandering generality to a meaningful specific" ;-) think about it...

Its quite strange to assume and portray that as an evidence to refute a valid and authentic proof.
We can continue to assume that christians and jews in mecca at the time of revelation thought the prophet (saw)...it still remains an assumption, and in the words of my lecturer; "assumption is the mother of all f.uckups" and that is why you are finding it difficult to prove otherwise.
You guyz(mazaje et al.) are just clutching at straws, your assumptions amount to nada!

you guyz should give mac a break.
His position is quite sound, the clause does not preclude a second wife, its just to give the wife a good reason for a divorce etc.
I believe the clause does not make polygamy "haram" for him, if he changes his mind later or finds a good reason for marrying a second wife, then he can talk about it with his wife and the wife has the choice to stay or leave.
@nene1 in as much as polygamy is permissible, there are still some muslim males who wouldnt do it for any reason. May Allah grant you your desired man who will have the fear of Allah and love you completely amin.

vedaxcool: The real issue is that most of the beliefs were divergences start are usually the hadiths, shias have their own books were hadiths are collected, in fact that label the likes Abu Hurayra as one who invents hadiths, the books of Bukhari and Muslim are immediately labeled false by these individuals only when these hadiths appears to support their case is it trustworthy, in essence we have on our hands people who invent beliefs that you can never find in the Qur'an, imagine that if you do not believe in the Imanate, the system of succession of Imans (the same system always certainly produced more sects as some would say this is our iman and others will label different imans - funny enough you following the wrong imans means a straight ticket to hell, u see u are in a fire vs frying pan situation) u are called a kafir, yet nowhere in the Qur'an would you ever read of such a system, this people simply from the blues brought out an inherent heresy, the heresy goes as far as giving their imans strange attributes dat even the Qur'an never gave the prophets like saying the Imans rule over all of mankind even to the very atoms etc again you find heretic practice where they say Ya Ali madad and yet u find not even the Qur'an calling Muslims to invoke Muhammad when in distress, the Qur'an restate every time that worship is for Allah alone and in the very first Sura, which we say You Alone do we worship and You Alone we seek for help.

The hadiths! No wonder some people decided to neglect them altogether.
In as much as unity is wajib on us, we should not condone a false belief that is alien to islam especially from the Quranic point of view(since the hadith is always a controversy). Allah is the one that guides, we can only try our best to educate others about our beliefs.
Let us be muslims when dealing with each other, bring your proof, let me bring mine if you accept my proof good if not, no be by force...if it is the truth, those destined to see it will definately see.
May Allah be with us all amin

LagosShia: we cannot but admit there are differences caused not by Allah (swt) and His Prophet (sa) and the 12 holy Imams (as) but by those who rejected the command of Allah (swt) and the will left by the Prophet (sa).alas,one of the three even obstructed the Prophet Muhammad (sa) on his deathbed from writing a will.the Prophet (sa) died without writing a will and only depended on oral rather than written transmission.there are many such incidents that occured and people who claim to follow the sunnah of the Prophet (sa) have deliberately concealed and buried them.why have the Muslims being kept in the dark in knowing their history in order to preserve the "honor" of few men? all you need to do is to google:[b]"HADITH OF PEN AND PAPER".[/b]one of the three did not only stop at preventing the Prophet (sa) from writing a will and causing division among the Muslims as some wanted the Prophet (sa) to write a will while others said no supporting insurbodination to the messenger of Allah (sa).he even went as far as saying the Prophet (sa) was "delirious".astaghfirullah!and this is the same Prophet (sa) that the Quran describes in Surat an-Najm by stating:"He speaks not of his desire but it is a revelation revealed".unfortunately,in concealing facts like this,they went ahead (in some places) to even edit the word that that man uttered against the Prophet (sa) to make it sound not offensive.

I agree that muslim were and are stiill the cause of these frictions.
If we continue like this, then it will be difficult for us to come together. Each group claiming that the other is a liar and are deceitful, my proofs are authentic, your proofs are fabricated etc. We basically hold on to what we have come to accept as the truth, sometimes it might not necessarily be the truth.
I always believe that sincereity, leads to the right path. Sincereity is lost when we try to undermine each other. Lets see ourselves as muslims

LagosShia: i personally do not like for us to fight and insult one another especially when we have to be united and we need unity.and that is why there is particularly someone i avoid from replying because with him,there is no head way.i want us even if we have differences,we should not turn them into disagreements by arguing or discussing wrongly.let us be mature and discuss our differences responsibly and also unite around our too many similarities as Muslims following the many things we share.

@bolded, i believe we will get along well if this is followed inshallah.

maclatunji: Okay, thank you. May Allah reward you for your effort.

Amin bro, Jazaks

^indeed it can, according to Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan's interpretation, it goes thus: "And to Allah belong the east and the west, so whereever you turn yourselves or your faces there is the face of Allah (and He is High above, over His Throne). Surely! Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures needs, All-Knowing." its just like the yourubas saying "ma lo, mo wa ni eyin re"(go, i am behind you) but really he his not there physically but implies that to mean support. There is the literal interpretation and implied interpretation(literal meaning and technical meaning).
I get your point bro, just wanted to know usisky's understanding of the verse in relation to Allah's omnipresence.

hmmm, i thought our sisters would have done justice to this topic...just saying.

As we all know that the wife has rights over the husband so also the husband has rights over the wife.
I would be writing from the book of sheikh Abubakr Jabir Al-Jazaa'iry titled: Minhaaj-l-Muslim chapter 6 page 340
Rights of the wife on her husband.
"There are numerous obligatory rights of a wife on her husband as entrenched by the statement of Allah(swt): ...and they (women) have rights(over their husbands) similar (to those of their husbands) over them to what is reasonable... (Q2vs 228) and the statement of the messanger of Allah(saw):#verily you have a right over your women(wifes) and your women have a right over you#(tirmidhi)
some of these rights includes:
1. Providing for her food, drinks, clothing and a rooof with kindness for the statement of the prophet (saw) to the one who asked him about the right of the woman over her husband:#feed her when you feed, give her to drink when you drink, cloth her when you cloth yourself, and do not strike her face or call her uglyand not to abandon her at home#(Ahmad annd Abu Daud).
2. Intimacy, it is obligatory on him at least once in 4months if he is incapacitated for Allah states: Those who take an oath not to have sexual relations with their wives must wait four months, then if they return, verily, Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful(Q2vs226)
3. Staying with her four nights if he can, based on the "convenant" of umar(ra).
4. Equality in division amongst wives for the prophet(saw) said: #who ever has two wives and he his inclined towards one than the other, he will come on the day of judgement with one of his sides pulled down or inclined#(tirmidhi)
5.He will be with her on the day of the nikkah and 7days if she is a virgin and 3days if she is not for the prophet(saw) said: #for a virgine, 7days and for a non-virgin 3days...#(muslim)
6. Giving her permission when one of her marhams is ill, witnessing his janazah if he dies, and visitation to her relatives and visitations that does not cause difficulty to the husband.

serves him right, it really shows that he was deficient in regards to islamic knowledge, the sentence will definately make him more knowledgeable.

Its a good idea, mac has really said it all, the bane of this kinds of organization is always the finance, if you can really work on how you'll finance the organization then you are good to go. There are a lot of brothers and sisters ready to work here...
I agree with mac again on the campus issue, but you can patner with the organization on ground in any campus, working with their own programmes so as to avoid conflict.