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@maclatunji, yeah i agree with you that they do need reformation so as to curtail their excesses, i believe some scholars have been able to manage them properly. But all in all, they do bring beauty and style to public events.

@bnty, isnt it a good thing that people remember the verse? From that they could easily remember the details of the lecture na. They are really cool, but wouldnt support their excesses sha.

deols: On this thread, let us celebrate Islamic/ Muslim art and architecture. Along the way, we can discuss certain things pertaining to the objects of interest.

this thread is not to be a serious one. just enjoy!!!!!!




would be back. . .InshaALlah

Ok, lets celebrate.
The topic is quite wide as stated by some peeps earlier, then permit me to invent my own ideas.
This might sound crazy, but truly, i believe its an art or an islamic/muslim art.
The art of the ajanosi (dont know the best way to translate but i guess backup lecturer or reciter will do).
You have to be gifted to be able to perform this art, it takes several years of study and training. It is most common(best to my knowledge) practice amongst the yoruba speaking muslims. There are two major voice types or tonality employed by these artists. they are known as the adabiy and the morkasi, both named as such after two madrasats founded by 2 sheiks, sheikh Adam Al-Illori and Sheikh Qamardeen(cant remember their full names) who were very well known and respected across the country.
At differnt events and occassions, you cant help but notice their presence, their sonorous voice and style are so unique when reciting the quran or mahfuzat, they make lectures more interesting and give you a feel to the meaning of what is being recited, they carry their listners along especially when getting to the end of a verse. I personally enjoy them more in the month of ramadhan when public lectures are very rampant.

@ usisky
May Allah grant us the full understanding of islam and guide us aright amin.
I personally would see no reason for your strong rejection of the hadith/sunnah of the prophet since you believe that the prophet(saw) was a messanger of Allah(swt).
The Quran clearly state the reasons for sending the messanger and the ultimate being as a rahmah to humanity, dont you think his lifestyle is important to us as muslims? Also knowing that Allah has said in him we find the best example.
The Quran was revealed within a span of 23years, saying sababu nuzul is irrelevant when translating a quranic verse is quite wrong, for the Quran would have been revealed just in a day.
Mind you, when these verses were revealed, questions will arise from the people and explanations would have been given by the prophet, without hadiths and sunnah can we understand? the quran states that the prophet doesnt speak on his own accord rather what is being inspired, do you think this is talking about the quran alone?
The life of the prophet was the practical apllication of the Quran, his teachings cannot be ignored cos he wouldnt speak in regards to the religion his own choice.
The Quran states in surah isra that Allah(swt) took the prophet up into the heavens in the night of isra wal miraj, to show him His signs, the prophet came back to tell his companions his journey and what transpired, dont you think we need to know what happened? What the prophet saw and what information he has brought to mankind from his lord?
Indeed the Quran is parfect, Allah chose the prophet to be the conveyer of his message, he is not an anyhow person, Allah says to the prophet(saw) say to them, if you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins.(Q 3vs31) how do we follow the prophet(saw) if we dont learn his teachings and ways of life? Infact how he practiced the religion you and i profess today?

seguun: Mr davidylan, stop getting this
issue twisted either deliberately or
not. The hadith was not talking
about how antibiotics can be
extracted from a fly. The scientists
only needed to extract the
antibiotics specificaly to study it
hence, they chose to use ethanol.
Whether only ethanol can be used
to extract antibiotics from a fly or
not is left for the scientists as this
is not the concern of the hadith.
The main concern here in relation
to the hadith is, will there be the
presence of antibiotics in the liquid
(say water) a fly is dipped into? If
you say no, could you please state
a scientific fact to back your claim?

He is indeed good at twisting words, and arriving at spurious conclusions.
Even when extracting with ethanol, you need to dip or submerge the fly in it, then the ethanol is evaporated.
Industrial processes also use liquids containing nutrients to grow microrganism which produces these antibiotics via a process called fermentation, the antibiotics,microbes and liquid are all in the same tank mixed together before the isolation and purification, the antibiotics do no loose their conformation within this mixture.

seguun: Surely islam is the total way of life that leaves nothing unsolved(logically)!
Wa alaikum salam warahmatullah my brother! May Allah reward you greatly for the brilliant answer you've given him above.

Amin brother, jazakumullah khayran.

davidylan: Sino, learn to quote first.

Secondly, you shld realise that scientists arent complete idiots...

my previous post was skewed cos i was tryingout a method on my phone.

Science makes the impossible possible and explainable, i see possibilities that is inherent in a strand of information, call me names, scientist of old were tagged with so many. Scientist who think impossible, never achieved anything . . .

davidylan: While trying to be as modest as possible, i have to say this is absolute nonsense. I've been working as a bench scientist for 7 yrs with over 10 published papers. You on the other hand?

Congratulations dr david, i am really happy for you.7yrs and you dont know that water can be usedfor extraction too?

davidylan: Dumb. What exactly where you trying to convey here? What is the salient point? The key here is that DMCH is merely ONE in a list of organic solvents that is used to extract penicillin. Just the same way you require an organic solvent like ethanol or perhaps hexane to extract any alleged antibiotic on house flies. See dumbo, you cant extract penicillin from penicillium fungi by dissolving in water... so obviously allah was lying through his teeth when he claimed dunking a fly in your tea is a way to get its antidote effect to disease.

Calling me dumb makes you feel super, good for you.Thanks for asking since you didnt get my point, dmch is a solvent used to extract penicillin, it doesnt suggest that penicillin can only be extracted by it and thus soluble in it alone. some antibiotics are very soluble in water, so if they are already manifested on the surface of the fly, then what are the chances of it mixing with the liquid? i'll rather say that the penicillium can produce penicillin if the condition is favorable in the liquid it finds itself. You know that industrial production of these antibiotics is majorly by fermentation before issolation and purification.

davidylan: First of all, i get disgusted when folks try TOO HARD to prove that they are knowledgeable when in actual fact they really sound very stupid.

1. You CANNOT use water to extract an antibiotic from a fly... its just plain IMPOSSIBLE no matter how many times you say it. Lets not pretend to be dealing with hypotheticals here, we know what we are targetting (extraction of an alleged antibiotic from a housefly wing) so we can throw out the nonsense that water can be used. You NEED an organic solvent.
2. It is NOT common practice in the lab to have ethanolic or water extractions... perhaps you're refering to your poor excuses for labs that you have in nigeria. In my lab here i use mostly acetone, 2-butanone, dimethyl sulfoxide, PEG... so what is your point?

Chairman, i am not trying to prove knowledgeable here, i dont care what you think, i justbring my own opinion. It might be faulty and stem from my experience in my poor excuses for lab here in naija but hey i believe one day we'll get there.
1. I am not dissputing the use of organic solvent to extract the antibiotics for research purposes
2. Well you know i am still in the 19th century labs so i still use water for extraction of metabolites in plants so as to identify,isolate,purify and characterize them. Majorly it is used for comparison especially when the extract is intended for life samples. I was speaking generally on extraction of metabolites, not specifically on antibiotics.
My point is that extraction can be by water too.

I run my own lab dumbo. anything else you want to say?

davidylan: Daft. Seriously pathetic nonsense.

1. Lets perform a simple high school experiment - try using water as a solvent for your typical anionic surfactant like sodium dodecyl sulfate. See how that works for your idea of water as a "universal solvent". Surely it should dissolve no?

2. So because the antibiotic in question (if it ever existed at all) is insoluble in ethanol means it MUST needs be soluble in water? Crazy.

3. Penicillin is a very common antibiotic isolated from the penicillium fungi... do you mean to say we could have solved our problem by merely soaking the fungi in our tea? Crazy!

1. Mr man, do youeven have a clue why it was regarded as such? Even back in the days i know that garri is insoluble in water.

2. Sir, you need to relax. I said the antibiotic found "might" not be soluble in ethanol. I never said that is a reason for it to be soluble in water. For i know that the ethanol will be evaporated and the residue will then be used for further Analysis. A good reason for using these organic solvents is their low Bpt.
3. Ans above.

davidylan: This guy is a hilarious joke. So because the antibiotic is allegedly located on the "surface" of the fly it must needs be soluble in water? Ok small experiment, squalene is a key ingredient of the sebum produced by your skin... is it soluble in water too? Please tell us quick, we have been wasting so much money on acetone, not knowing we could have done this by using freely available tap water. Wow good thing i met professor Sino.

Nope, the type of antibiotics found determines its solubility, if it is soluble in water, then it will easily mix with it. Simple as abc.

davidylan: 1. there is no "fact" here. What we have here is a claim found only on ABCnews and islamic websites. Its been 8 yrs ago, why hasnt this "basic fact" been published in a peer-reviewed SCIENTIFIC journal for all to see?

2. What is the name of the antibiotic found in the fly? where can we find it to buy? What exactly does it cure?

Well, i cant help you here, a link was provided and the namesand institution was also provided. It is an ongoing research maybe you can help by carrying out in your world class lab

davidylan: Incoherent nonsense. The issue here isnt what antibiotics do BUT whether any exist on the wings of the fly like allah falsely claims. We already know what antibiotics do, but if indeed allah's claims are true... by YOUR OWN VERY WORDS here then we should expect that the antibiotics shld neutralize the microbes BEFORE they cause disease in humans right?

Since you know what they do, why ask me again?

davidylan: Why not? The hadith is very clear - "If a housefly falls into the drink of anyone of you, he should immerse it completely in the liquid, then remove it, for one of its wings has the disease and the other has the cure." (Sahih Bukhari, 3320)
Since the only way to get cholera is exposure to houseflies carrying the disease then you shld just get another fly, immerse it completely in your hot tea, drink and wait to get well no? Bunch of delusional hypocrites.

Say whatever, you still dont get my point, so i leave you with your delussions. Well there is no report of the companions or the prophet drinking fly tea to cure any disease, so why should i?

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^^^ now i conclude, in the most respectful manner that you lack proper understanding of basic protocols in science. You talk about dimethycyclohexanone to extract penicillin, so? does it mean that penicillin cannot become soluble with other solvent partially or completely? I'll keep on asking you questions for you to understand how silly your point of view is. Its common practice in the lab to have an ethanolic extract or water extract etc. Depending on what you are targetting and the procedure you choose. Reasons basically being ease of extraction, and the elimination of contamination in any form.
Maybe you didnt get my point, and thank you for telling me you work in a lab which makes me wonder what you really do there. first thing you should know is that water is a universal solvent (high school chemistry), your argument about the report using ethanol for extraction therefore means dipping the fly in anyother drink wouldnt release the antibiotics makes no sense cos the antibiotic we are talking about might be insoluble in ethanol itself. There are different antibiotics and their solubility differs, so until a report shows that the extracted antibiotic cannot be soluble in any other media except for ethanol then you should shhh. Remember the antibiotics is situated on the surface of the fly!
My points are daft to you cos you are full of hate and do not want to acknowledge a simple fact which is, there is a cure in the fly. To help you better understand why it is possible that dipping the fly in your drink can realy prevent the harmful effect of the disieases carried by the housefly, antibiotics majorly work to destroy microbes and these microbes are the cause of the diseases. Antibiotics attack pathogenic microbes at different levels from their structure down to inhibition of their nucleic acid synthesis. And sir, the hadith didnt say, when you are down with cholera or thyphoid, go dip afly in your tea and drink.

A complete way of life which is balanced and leaves no part of humanity out of it. Need i say more?

@seguun, assalam alaykum, i really appreciate your explanations on the issue of the hadith of the housefly, may Allah reward you. Indeed if the hadith was from the prophet, then i am rest assured of its correctness.

@mazaje and david, it amuses me your illogical aproach towards this issue, but should i be surprised?
What do you know about extraction of desired product without contamination? What do you know about lab procedures in the extraction of chemicals found in plant and animal? What do you know about antibiotics? The microbes that produce them, their pathways and why they are called secondary metabolites? What do you know about their solubility in water and other solvent? I can go on and on but please always try to be objective with your points.
This is an ongoing research which is yet to be concluded, but a very good point which can be derived is, there is a cure in the housefly that carries disease, which can be related (in a more general view) to the hadith of the prophet. Why not let us relax grab a cup of green tea and let the scientist do their job.

Assalam alaykum, jazakumullah for posting this topic for you have made me understand some basic facts.
I only learnt about it from a lecture in regards to dismantling the shari'ah and i never bothered to find out more. Talking about muslims fighting each other and placing it under kufr duna kufr is quite strange to me, there is an hadith of the prophet that states: when two muslims fight each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to the hell-fire.(Bukhari). The hadith you quoted about abusing a muslim . . . Did the prophet use kufr duna kufr in it? Cos i know the hadith and never heard it to be fighting a muslim is kufr duna kufr. if there is another narration i would like to see it.

@ no. 5, Love, romance, sex etc are topic that have been made difficult to talk about by muslims and no thanks to what the media has turn these lawful things to mean this days.
@vedaxcool, i support your revolution. Seriously speaking, going on a date with your wife and having a romantic dinner is not harram na? I can understand my pa and ma not doing so in their days, but not this generation.

deols: only beans??

Trust me, i am a specialist lol.




it is not easy o. am not married and I can tell it is not. why is the man the head if not to continually listen to her tell it to his ears while he just shrugs it off(i mean not angry at her). I agree it would help that they have it at the back of their heart. AM going to have it but will work very hard to prevent it

I know it is not easy, the earlier the sister thinks about its possibility, the better. You know some females do say that their husband can never marry a second wife maybe cos he said so, so they cant just take it when it does happen. Its good you putting it at the back of your mind, and goodluck with your "hardwork" on preventing it lol.

On issue no. 3, you are right deols, brothers need show compassion and mercy to their wives and help out in their daily chores, but really its our society that enables men to believe they dont have to carry out any responsibility other than providing for the house. A boy grows up almost never seeing his father go to the kitchen or do lundaries in turn believes that's the way it should be. If my wife is prepared to chop beans day and night, i'll gladly do the cooking and if she wouldnt mind putting on "super" clean clothes then i'll do the lundaries

On issue 4, the fact still remains that most females do not like it, dont want it infact hate it so very much that they keep singing it directly or indirectly to the man's ears. I think first thing is for sisters to accept it in their hearts so that brothers wont have to scheme differnt ways of bringing in the second wife and it wouldnt hurt them so much.

awww, very nice deols, my muslim sisters are queens, they are islamic queens, now i am jealous lol.

Ok bro, i'll wait till then. May Allah(swt) grant you success in your exams amin.

Dudu_Negro:
I dont know that any hadith specifically talk about the 99 names. There are rituals of life that mankind, as a living being must observe and participate in, whether or not they are instructed by God or are taught by the Prophet (SAWS). Recital of the 99names is one of such acts of rituals that are invoked, not necessarily in doctrines but by custom found to be very helpful, for living the attributes of Allah.

I did get one or two hadiths in sahih bukhari, narrated by abu hurayrah(ra), he said, the prophet(saw) said, "Allah has 100 names less one, anyone who memorises them enters paradise, Allah is witr and loves witr" in another translation, who ever counts them by heart.
Believe in Allah's name and attributes is a branch of tawheed, a muslim must believe in them as absolute, perfect without fault. Remembering Allah (swt) is one of the recomended act, remebering Allah can be through His names and attributes. The prophet(saw) said, the example of one who remebers Allah and the one who doesnt is like the example of a living and a dead.
Allah(swt) says, "say, call upon Allah or call upon Ar Rahman which ever (name) you call upon, to him belongs the most beautiful names. . .(Q17vs110). A muslim who seeks wealth and knows Allah to be Ar Razaq can call upon Him with this name and seek from Him wealth, same result can also be achieved if other of His names and attributes are used. A muslims is expected to begin his task in the name of Allah(bismillah). Allah's names and attributes are there for us to call upon him, seek everything we want from him and also for His remebrance which are all acts sanctioned by the shariah.
Secondly, islam is complete, Allah(swt) says it so in the qur'an. For you to say there are rituals which is a must wether instructed or not cannot be accepted for an act of worship to be a must(wajib) it must be instructed by Allah(swt). If its not in the qur'an and sunnah, then it is not part of islam. Allah knows best.

@dudu_negro, its not a taboo to call it night vigil, muslims must be distinct from others that practice a different religion this is what the prophet (saw) instructed us. Some over zealous or ignorant people tend to practice what is not sanctioned in the sharia, following the people of the book with the way and manner they carry out their vigil (you need to attend some of this organized vigils to see for yourself). Remember the prophet had foretold that muslims will copy the people of the book so much that if they enter into a hole so will they follow them.

On the book you recommended, i'll like to read it, the title is kinda heavy knowing fully well the islamic view on music. I am tempted to give a view on chants and recitations of the qur'an and dua's which does have a ryhthm, and the prophet had instructed us to recite the qur'an in a melodious voice. Listening to the qur'an being recited, drives one to a state of remorse and awe, makes a grown man shed tears like a baby be he understand what is being recited or not. I do have an open mind, the qur'an and sunnah is my guide to seive the truth from false.

the world is not perfect, it comes with its ups and downs. I am saying real happiness will only be achieved in the hereafter. Remember the hadith of the prophet (saw) "this world is a prison to a believer but paradise to unbelievers".
The hope in meeting Allah's mercy cos He has promised and never fails in His promise makes us contented with whatever befalls us on this journey of ours.

^^^ Assalam alaykum bro, perhaps you can share the answers you got on a new thread so we can learn cos i am interested.

@tpia, you triggered in me, a sequence of thought. I agree with you that happiness is subjective, therefore it depends on what you value most in life. So when you live your values then you can achieve happiness.
As muslims, worship is our core value, to worship Allah is the purpose of our creation (Q 51v56). Worship in islam comprises of all our daily activities when we intend to do them to please our creator and remeber him often so that he can attain the soul who is at peace with his creator just as Allah stated in quran 89 vs 27-30 (it will be said to the pious): "O (you) the one in (complete) rest and satisfaction!
"come back to your lord, well-pleased (yourself) and well-pleasing unto Him!
"enter you, then, among my honored slaves,
"and enter you my paradise!"
The ultimate happiness for a muslim is when he sets his gaze on His face, in paradise the everlasting place.

Can we just replace night vigil with tahajud please. I always have problem with the translation of tahajud to night vigil for obvious reason. I think if the OP had used tahajud we wouldnt have the above argument.
i really do admire sufis, the honest ones not the lazy ones who do not carry out their obligations and claim ilm batiny, i am currently reading a book (endless bliss) by one of their scholars and its really inspiring. The truth is that every group has good and bad qualities, take the good in accordance to the qur'an and sunnah and discard the bad.
@topic, i dont know if there is any authentic ahadith that states the essence and use of any of the 99 names of Allah, if there is, can anyone provide them? I would really appreciate it.

Well, its absolutely normal to be sad once in a while for so many reasons.
As muslims, hope in meeting the mercy of Allah eventually should be a good source of happiness no matter the situation. The prophet (saw) said "strange is the matter of a beliver, when good comes to him, he is thankful & Allah rewards him and when afflicted, he is patient and Allah rewards him for his patience". Allah says in surah 94:5 "and verily after hardship comes ease".
I believe when we try our best to carry out our duties to Allah and also be of service to our immediate environment (home, mosque, community etc), happiness comes to us. Indeed Allah (swt) is the bestower of happiness.

I think the muslims in france should just try and stay away from meat in schools and public restaurant and the females should stay away from swimming in public pools, then maybe take the matter to the court. if France claims to be a secular state, they should accommodate their citizen irrespective of their faith.

and what is the purpose of this here?

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Nah! Maybe a little sha lol, just finished guy sensei vs kisame manga&anime, maybe if i had no contact with the anime inthe first place perhaps i would have enjoyed it like i did with marvel comics.
omake they are called? Ha, me only see those occassionally at the tail end and i dnt have patience much cos i wait till episodes run like ten then download to watch at a stretch.

I am very much fine firestar.
I agree with the anticipation aspect but again all the movement and action oh, you just cant get full details from the manga. for example i read the manga when naruto had to fight with pein, then i watched it, i tell you since then i said i'll do away with manga lol. but now the details i am getting here makes me wanna get a peep into whats ganna happen lol.
the fillers are part of the story na abi?

^^^ jazakumullah for this reply of yours.

Pampers:
A woman whos huby finds it dificult to wake up for fajr prayr @ d right time bt wakes @ abt 6.30, must she wait fr him?

Assalam alaykum, my brothers and sisters have really said the right thing but one to take another perspective.
I must stress the point of praying at the earliest time cos the prophet said in an hadith narrated by Abdullah: i asked the prophet(saw) which deed is the dearest to Allah? He replied,"to offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times."(Bukhari).
From another post you made, you said there is no mosque close by which i believe deprives the husband to observe his fajr in congregation. The wife is the only congregation he can make so i will implore the wife if all the advice above do not work and 6:30am is before sunrise then she should join her husband in praying fajr.
I pray the husband wakes on time to offer prayers at the right and earliest time amin.

@OP Alhamdulilah! Its really wonderful to note, kudos to all brothers and sisters committed to the dawah, may Allah continue to streghten them amin.

Looking through these pictures,walahi no one has an excuse not to pray, may Allah assist us and make the deen easy for us amin.
Jazaks sis deols they are really inspiring.