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honesttalk21:
The historical name of Jesus (Ιησούς) in Amaraic was Yeshua ישוע or (ܝܫܘܥ) in Classical Syriac. In Eastern Syriac dialects there is the variation Isho (ܝܫܘܥ) written the same as Yeshua.

Then what's Jesus name in Hebrew?

Expanse2020:
Yehesua never preach Trinity
Oh isreal worship the true one God
I cannot do anything except the Will of my father
I am only the messenger of the God
No body is good except my father

It was Paul who preached trinity
God of father
God of son
And holy spirit Abi na holy fanta
🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂

As for the God he only asked us to worship him alone not to ascribe partner to him

Don't worry....
Answer my question on why Elijah is called Yahweh IS MY GOD
and I will show u where Jesus affirmed a triune God.

Your mouth is sharper is sharper than your Brain. Very soon I will be ignoring u.

honesttalk21:
You say or said:



Evidence for Isho presented.

Your ChatGPT entries are quite laughable. Excuse me.

Jesus was called Isho(Aramaic) not Yeshua(Hebrew) in his everyday life!
If you Google "What was Jesus's real name" you will get a lot of misinformation. Most of the results will say it was Yeshua. For starters, Jesus did not speak Hebrew, he spoke Aramaic. The people in his everyday life were not calling him Yeshua, they were calling him Isho. I speak a little bit of Neo-Aramaic/Syriac and we pronounce Isho as E-Show. It's actually a very commonly used name among Neo-Aramaic/Syriac speaking Christians.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/f298jj/jesus_was_called_ishoaramaic_not_yeshuahebrew_in/

Jesus’ name from Yeshua Hamashiach got Hellenized from the Greek word “IZEUS” or son of Zeus. This, of course, would be a far cry from proper theology if we took Jesus’ name to mean “Son of Zeus.”


https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/is-yeshua-hamashiach-the-proper-hebrew-name-for-jesus-christ.html


The name “Jesus” itself is an anglicized version of the Greek name “Iesous,” which in turn is a transliteration of the Aramaic name “Yeshua.” Therefore, “Isho” is considered to be a more accurate representation of Jesus’ name in his native language.

In Aramaic, “Isho” means “salvation” or “savior,” which reflects the central role that Jesus plays in Christian theology as the savior of humanity.

It however may not matter as much as adhering to his true and actual teaching.

Now I will bring evidence from Jewish literature who are unbias on this matter to confirm the original name of Jesus.

https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/jesus-vs-yeshua/

https://weekly.israelbiblecenter.com/jesus-hebrew-name-yeshua-yahshua

https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/blog/what-jesus-name-hebrew

honesttalk21:
You say or said:



Evidence for Isho presented.

Your ChatGPT entries are quite laughable. Excuse me.

Jesus was called Isho(Aramaic) not Yeshua(Hebrew) in his everyday life!
If you Google "What was Jesus's real name" you will get a lot of misinformation. Most of the results will say it was Yeshua. For starters, Jesus did not speak Hebrew, he spoke Aramaic. The people in his everyday life were not calling him Yeshua, they were calling him Isho. I speak a little bit of Neo-Aramaic/Syriac and we pronounce Isho as E-Show. It's actually a very commonly used name among Neo-Aramaic/Syriac speaking Christians.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/f298jj/jesus_was_called_ishoaramaic_not_yeshuahebrew_in/

Why would U bring someone's opinion on Reddit as evidence to a debate. It makes no sense and it shows how desperate U are.

It's like me bringing someone's opinion on Facebook or nairaland as evidence here.
That's laffable.

Except U think white people's comment are factual and contains no error. In that case, should we say U are a white man worshipper.

honesttalk21:
You say or said:



Evidence for Isho presented.

Your ChatGPT entries are quite laughable. Excuse me.

Jesus was called Isho(Aramaic) not Yeshua(Hebrew) in his everyday life!
If you Google "What was Jesus's real name" you will get a lot of misinformation. Most of the results will say it was Yeshua. For starters, Jesus did not speak Hebrew, he spoke Aramaic. The people in his everyday life were not calling him Yeshua, they were calling him Isho. I speak a little bit of Neo-Aramaic/Syriac and we pronounce Isho as E-Show. It's actually a very commonly used name among Neo-Aramaic/Syriac speaking Christians.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/f298jj/jesus_was_called_ishoaramaic_not_yeshuahebrew_in/

Jesus’ name from Yeshua Hamashiach got Hellenized from the Greek word “IZEUS” or son of Zeus. This, of course, would be a far cry from proper theology if we took Jesus’ name to mean “Son of Zeus.”


https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/is-yeshua-hamashiach-the-proper-hebrew-name-for-jesus-christ.html


The name “Jesus” itself is an anglicized version of the Greek name “Iesous,” which in turn is a transliteration of the Aramaic name “Yeshua.” Therefore, “Isho” is considered to be a more accurate representation of Jesus’ name in his native language.

In Aramaic, “Isho” means “salvation” or “savior,” which reflects the central role that Jesus plays in Christian theology as the savior of humanity.

It however may not matter as much as adhering to his true and actual teaching.

Honesttalk is very funny.
He rejected chatgpt but went to Reddit to bring someone's opinion as evidence. Are u serious!!!!
Chatgpt generates its information from academic literatures and Scholastic work.
But U rejected that and went to Reddit to bring me an opinion of a layman
U can do better...

The 2nd article u brought clearly confirmed the original name of Jesus is Yeoshua hamasiach.
Did U even read it at all.

I'm not here to debate the name Jesus. It's irrelevant to topic. It's a derived name and the Saviour was never called by that name. Nobody ever said he was called Jesus.
We are interested in the name Allah gave Muhammed. That's the fraud we want to expose.

honesttalk21:
You say or said:



Evidence for Isho presented.

Your ChatGPT entries are quite laughable. Excuse me.

Jesus was called Isho(Aramaic) not Yeshua(Hebrew) in his everyday life!
If you Google "What was Jesus's real name" you will get a lot of misinformation. Most of the results will say it was Yeshua. For starters, Jesus did not speak Hebrew, he spoke Aramaic. The people in his everyday life were not calling him Yeshua, they were calling him Isho. I speak a little bit of Neo-Aramaic/Syriac and we pronounce Isho as E-Show. It's actually a very commonly used name among Neo-Aramaic/Syriac speaking Christians.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/f298jj/jesus_was_called_ishoaramaic_not_yeshuahebrew_in/

Jesus’ name from Yeshua Hamashiach got Hellenized from the Greek word “IZEUS” or son of Zeus. This, of course, would be a far cry from proper theology if we took Jesus’ name to mean “Son of Zeus.”


https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/is-yeshua-hamashiach-the-proper-hebrew-name-for-jesus-christ.html


The name “Jesus” itself is an anglicized version of the Greek name “Iesous,” which in turn is a transliteration of the Aramaic name “Yeshua.” Therefore, “Isho” is considered to be a more accurate representation of Jesus’ name in his native language.

In Aramaic, “Isho” means “salvation” or “savior,” which reflects the central role that Jesus plays in Christian theology as the savior of humanity.

It however may not matter as much as adhering to his true and actual teaching.

Guy I said Jesus spoke Palestinian Aramaic not Syriac Aramaic. Do U know the difference.
Aramaic has different dialect. The one spoken in eastern Semitic region is different from the western Semite region where Jesus came from.

Jesus never spoke Syriac Aramaic, so how can he be called Isho when he never spoke the dialect where the name Isho came from.

Chat gpt is 99% accurate. Your statement here shows u don't even understand why Jesus couldn't have been called Isho.

My advice is for U to show and study the origin of Aramaic and then find out how Jews suddenly start speaking Aramaic and not Hebrew.

You said Jesus didn't speak Hebrew, once again u expose your ignorance here. Jesus went to synagogues and read the Torah....in what language do U think the Torah were written? Hebrew or Aramaic?

So many things wrong with your claim. Finally ask yourself how the Arab Christians called Jesus Yasu even b4 Muhammed came on stage.

All of a sudden the scholars are wrong but when it comes to Yahweh they are right.

See someone who wants to challenge chatgpt. U can't even get your facts right.
Your arrogance is blinding. U better take it off and see the light.

Expanse2020:
God bless you my brother they will argue till tomorrow that Jesus is pronounce Yehesua
Jesus was form from PAGAn Yahweh 3 in 1 God the guys self was named Zeus, Eassus gradually changed to Jesus.

Be like say U blind.
Jesus name at birth is Yeoshua. I dont know where U get essau or whatever nonsense u writing here.

Even scholars do not agree with your ISA name. They believe it's fictitious.

Expanse2020:
So you actually acknowledge your pagan God as Yahweh just as my fact claimed 🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣 you are getting small small....
But Jesus preach to worship only one true God .
Why did you choose to worship 3 in 1 ☕ Yahweh God

U have not answered my question. Then I will show u where Jesus worship triune God.
Why is Allah's prophet called Eliyyahu which mean My God is Yahweh.
It doesn't make sense..U can't be mocking Yahweh as pagan but can't explain why one of Allah's prophet is named after same pagan god.
That's why I don't like debating U.

advanceDNA:
Pakistani Muslim are a different breed of muslims.... They consciously look for virtually anything they can call blasphemy so they can kill.....

Unfortunately they ve carried their madness to Britain and other European countries.
Those people are something else.

honesttalk21:
Bogus you say despite posting pictures that tend to support Isho.

Ishoʿ (īšōʕ), a cognate of the Hebrew term Yeshu, is the Eastern Syriac pronunciation of the Aramaic form of the name of Jesus.

Early Syriac alphabet form of the name of Jesus
It is still commonly used as a name for Jesus among Syriac Christians of the Middle East and Saint Thomas Christians of India.

There are in fact Christians who have been speaking Aramaic for the past two thousand years, since the time of the Apostles, who have passed down the Christian faith in what can be called its native language: the Syriac Christians, whose liturgical language is essentially Aramaic as Jesus would have spoken it — but they pronounce the Lord’s name not “Yeshua,” but “Isho.” Yeshua was passed down by nobody at all, but invented from imagined traditions in modern times.

https://lonelypilgrim.com/2014/11/19/saying-jesuss-name-wrong-a-fallacy-of-hebrew-roots/


You won't waste your time arguing or telling the truth about the origin of the name Jesus.
Well of course

The name Jesus is merely an English adaptation of a German transliteration of a Latin transliteration of a Greek transliteration of an originally Hebrew name: Yeshua. And the history of how Jesus’ real name evolved into the form that the world knows today is complex, nuanced, and somewhat shrouded in mystery.

And U ignored my own scholastic evidence that made it clear where Jesus name came from?

Let me make it easy for u...
Did Jesus speak the eastern Syriac Aramaic? No, Jesus spoke the Palestinian Aramaic which is different from the eastern Syriac one.

Jews in 2nd temple period give their children Hebrew names and not Aramaic ones. Though they speak Aramaic but their culture and names are rooted in Hebrew origin and not Aramaic.
The bible clearly states his name means 'He shall save his people from their sin'. The only Hebrew name that fits above is Yeoshua.
The Talmud- Jewish religious text that wrote about Jesus called him Yeshu. This is very close to Yeoshua than Isho.

Isho has a different meaning in Hebrew and has no resemblance to who Jesus is.

There's nothing difficult or mysterious about Jesus name. It's just a desperate attempt by Muslims to explain where they got the name ISA.
Even modern scholars and experts cannot explain where Muhammed got the name ISA.

honesttalk21:
@SirTee15
False ribs are the lower six pairs of ribs (ribs 8-12) that do not connect directly to the sternum via costal cartilages. These ribs are called “false” because they do not form a complete ring around the thoracic cavity like true ribs (ribs 1-7) do. Instead, false ribs articulate with each other or with the cartilages of adjacent ribs. There are three types of false ribs: **Vertebrochondral Ribs:** Ribs 8-10 are referred to as vertebrochondral ribs because their costal cartilages articulate with those of their superior (upper) neighbors rather than attaching directly to the sternum. These ribs are still considered “false” but have a more direct attachment than floating ribs. **Floating Ribs:** Ribs 11 and 12 are known as floating ribs because they do not articulate with any other costal cartilages or the sternum at all; instead, they terminate in free ends within the muscles of the abdominal wall. Floating ribs have a more minimal structural role compared to true ribs but still protect underlying organs like lungs and kidneys from injury. Despite their reduced attachment points, floating ribs still contribute to overall trunk stability and respiratory function.

During pregnancy, a woman’s uterus expands and grows to accommodate the developing fetus. This growth can put pressure on surrounding organs and structures, including the xiphoid process. In some cases, this pressure can cause discomfort or pain in the area.

The growing uterus can also shift the position of the xiphoid process. In late pregnancy, the uterus rises into the abdomen and pushes the diaphragm upwards, which can cause the xiphoid process to become more prominent. This is a normal part of pregnancy and is not usually a cause for concern.

Where is the diaphragm?

The diaphragm is a thin muscle that separates the abdomen from the chest and helps you breathe.

During pregnancy, the gravid uterus can exert pressure on the diaphragm, leading to various physiological changes and potential respiratory complications. This doesn't mean there aren't any other organs between the Uterus and the diaphragm.

I don't get it, what's the purpose of this? What's your point because I don't get it.

Your problem remain lack of basic knowledge in human anatomy.
Look here let me make it easy for u, go and touch a 38 week old pregnant women and tell me if U can feel the rib or any bone anterior to the womb.

Expanse2020:
You see prof you can't disagree with now you are ranting 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I would have debated ancient Semitic religion with U but u too dull and not worth the time.
Thus prefer to use logic to expose the contradiction in your claim.

Don't think we don't have answer to the claim you have been parading here...I just don't want to waste my time with U, cos U are not intellectually cerebral to enter such discussion.

https://evidenceforchristianity.org/is-the-hebrew-word-for-lord-really-a-pagan-word-and-is-this-evidence-that-judaism-and-therefore-christianity-has-pagan-roots/

RevenuesBoost:
What's this now!

I see why our politicians go out of the country for treatment.


This is how my 21 year old cousin died last week because no oxygen in General Hospital Lagos.
They were looking for oxygen up and down.
God will help Nigeria.


They saw a customer they didn't want to let go, so they did rub**sh on somebody's daughter.


Very sad!!!

May her soul rest in peace and grant her family the strength to bear the loss.

If your politicians use naija hospitals, they will make it work. Trust me.
When Abacha was banned from travelling overseas. National hospital Abuja was top notch with world class expertise and care.
Immediately Obasanjo entered and they were allowed to travel out, our politicians abandoned the hospital and it's now a shadow of itself.

Why would a doctor perform hysteroscopy on a woman who just missed her period for few weeks. She didn't present in your clinic for fertility issues.
What was he hoping to find??
What exactly is the hysteroscopy for The commonest indication is for unexplained bleeding, look for growth, heavy menstrual bleeding or to investigate infertility.
The way some private hospitals perform needless procedure all in a desperate need to make money is annoying!!!

Mrperfecto:
I will just be brief without writing too much.

We are based we have 4 children, my first child is 13 from my previous relationship, she has become very terrible, she doesn't listen to me or my wife. She tells her that she is not her biological mother and she cannot control her. She had threatened to call the police on my wife telling her if she touch her she will fight her back and call the police. She goes to school and closes at 3.45 her school is 10 mins walk from home, but she is always late for home.

She comes home around 6 sometimes 7pm , as I am writing now every friday she closes at 12.30 but she is still hasn't come back home yet.

I am on my way to work. I start at 6.30pm till 2.30am so I rarely get to see her and she only misbehaving when I am not around. So far we have seized her phone because we had found so many inappropriate messages exchanges between her and boys. We had also removed the TV from her room and her behaviour has gotten worse. She is behaving like she's possessed.

My wife and I are fed up. Even her siblings are tired of her. We want to send her back to Nigeria maybe in a boarding school until she is 18 in order to protect her younger ones. If we keep her and she continues with her terrible behaviour I may beat her badly and we may end up loosing all 4 children to the authorities.

Please what advice will you give to me concerning this issue?

To be fair on the girl, she may have a genuine reason for her sudden change in behaviour and I can't rule out maltreatment or neglect from her step mum.

Only U can fix that, someone already advised installing secret camera in the house to monitor what happens when U are away. Another is to alter your shifts so u can be at home when she's also at home- provided it's possible without impacting your finances.

However, rebellious attitude should not be tolerated in your home from anybody whatever thencase. It spreads; if your other kids notice you have lost control of the house, they will be emboldened to disrespect u when the time is right.
This is my advice
1. Call your daughter and ask her what's the problem btw her and anyone in the family. If her response is rude or no, then ask her if she wants to go and live with her mum, mum's relative or any other person she wants to live with.
Call whoever she mentions, confirm they happy to take her and let her go.

2. Don't be fooled that U can copy the white's man way of raising kids. It will never work because we are different.
Black Americans tried it for hundreds of years and the result is disastrous. Caribbeans in diaspora are following same footsteps and their children ain't turning out well either.
We are in western country for economic opportunity not for cultural appropriation. The white man cultural norms and value can never work for the black race and adapting it will only lead to dysfunctional family.
Establish African values in your home and make it clear to your kids they are Africans and will be raised as such. Disrespect to parents is a big NO and will never be tolerated. MAKE THAT CLEAR.

3. Bring religion back into your home. This is not about believing in a sky daddy but indoctrinating your kids with morals and values that enshrine dignity and godliness. It also brings fear into the heart of people to do the right thing.
If your daughter is active in church, she will never take all those wayward steps. The fear of sky daddy punishing her would put her on track.

Zupay:
Na yarn abi, send the pikin go rural school, make we how social workers go allow you live comfortably, e sure me die say dem go first suspend you from work, begin interrogating your wife and other children, pray make ur wife no go fold and tell dem say she no agree with you take una pikin go village but you insisted, u and dat your wife and other children no go live inside the same house again because social workers go tag you a danger to your family.....u think say na 9ja u dey?

Oga leave story, no be only U dey obod oyinbo.
Lots of Pakistani and Somali are sending their wayward kids back home and nothing dey happen.
Somalia is worse, they send those kids to an islamic school where they are forced to learn the Koran and there's corporal punishment for disobedience.
These british Somali kids have cried out for help taya. They contacted friends in UK, schools and even British embassy.
UK govt no send, wetin be there own. Send special forces to Somalia for rescue operation?
The stubborn kids remain incarcerated in Somalia and lives goes on for their family in UK.
In case u don't know, UK govt no regard all u ethnic minorities as citizens, they just gave u Pali for political correctness.
U better don't have a bloated delusion of who U think U are to British govt or else U will be disappointed.
The op should send the rebellious daughter back home if necessary, heaven won't fall.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/mar/12/somali-rehab-re-education-camps-where-children-are-locked-up-beaten-and-abused

Expanse2020:
Wetin de make u cry and bitter that much
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Eliyahu that what we are saying
Eli-yahu you see Allahu is gracious real meaning
Case solve
Yahaya means Allahu is gracious

Make Una deceive yourself. Yahweh IS pagan yet Allah's prophet bears the name My God is Yahweh'

Yahweh IS polytheism but Allah told his prophet to name his son Yahweh IS gracious.

A classic case of sticking your neck in the sand.

I just hope U not 40 because that's the only way there could be hope for u.
Once U over 40 game over because a fool at 40 is a fool forever.

Expanse2020:
So you are too dumb that Elijah was Jewish name and Yahaya is an Arabic name...you can defend Jesus with that but can't recognize the Yahaya own

U must be very stupid with extremely low IQ.

Did anyone ever told u their real names were John or Elijah? Did anybody told U that's their given name at birth?

Elijah real name is Eliyyahu and it mean 'My God is Yahweh'
John's real name is Yohanan which mean 'Yahweh is gracious'.

Both Eliyyahu and Yohanan are Hebrew names and that is their meaning in Hebrew.
John and Elijah are Latin derived name.

If U don't have basic comprehension of biblical theology and textual criticism, stop debating the bible.
U are a nuisance here.

Expanse2020:
You show me in the bible
Where Adam, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon called God Yahweh in the bible

The word YAHWEH appeared 6,848 times in the old testament. As I said U are out of your depth regarding scriptural knowledge.
Below are three examples.

Expanse2020:
So Jesus make sense in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and Arabic
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because Jesus is an English words
You just shoot yourself with the statement

Mr Man jesus real name is Yeshua. How many times will I spell that for u.
Jesus is the Latin derived translation. Greek people call him Ieosus. Arab Christians call him Yasu. Yoruba people call him Jesu.
Nobody ever said he was called Jesus at birth. That has been spelt multiple times here but U still don't get it.
Gosh I'm speaking to a dumb.

Kobojunkiee:
You know the only way to learn the difference between The Gospel and the Old Law of Moses is to study both of them by yourself, one at a time?

For the umpteenth time, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

I can't spoon-feed you details of the Law and the Prophets as well as the Gospel, God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. You have to dive in and read these things for your self rather than continue to argue blindly pretending that you are awarded some sort of justification by doing so.

Cut the crap my friend. I just showed u your doctrines are unsound and not based on biblical scriptural exegesis, they are man made.
Jesus brought rest on Sabath, yet people were already resting. How can u give people something they already had.
U are only supposed to do holy work on Sabath, but Jesus disciples were seen breaking corn on the field and eating it. When the Pharisees accused them, Jesus backed their action by stating David did similar thing in his time.

Jesus definitely changed the law by making it better. In that way, he was able to fulfil it. We dont need to obey the law of Torah anymore because we now obeyed I'm the law in Jesus Christ.
That's what the gospel preached.

That's why u couldn't use the gospel to support your heresy and false doctrines. When they were tested with the scriptures, they quickly fall apart.

And this exactly what Paul preached- Jesus fulfilled the law and when we obey Jesus- we obey the law.
Paul was a lawyer of the old testament law and fully understood the Torah and Judaism religion.
Paul wrote his letters even b4 the gospel was written, he was already dead by the time 3 of them were written. But Paul's letters were validated by the gospels written much later after his death.
This shows he was inspired to write his letters and not something borne out of his innate desires. God used his knowledge of the scriptures and the Hebrew tradition to set the foundation for our Christian faith.

Put a respect to that name my friend. Paul was a man of God.

Kobojunkiee:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Again with the ridiculous retorts.
Yes, the Sabbath is a day of rest from the Old Law of Moses. It is a day in which people were commanded to do no UNHOLY work — work for food that perishes. The people were meant to do good(Holy) works only on the Sabbath day — it was sinful to do unholy work on the sabbath day.

John 5 which you quoted speaks of Jesus Christ doing GOOD(holy) works on the Sabbath and every other day of the Week.
● So, how does any of what you posted above contradict or invalidate any of what I stated is equally contained in the same Gospel of what Jesus Christ said regarding the rest He came to offer His followers?
● Did Jesus Christ not make every day a Sabbath for His Followers - John 6 vs 25 - 35?
● Did Jesus Christ not decree that His followers would do the same work— good works— that He did and even greater - John 14 vs 12?

I don't get why you feel you need to argue blindly at all.

Sigh! Again, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

So if people were already resting on the Sabath day via the law of Moses, then what further rest did Jesus Christ bring for them on the Sabath. You said Jesus brought rest...what rest? For people already resting....
U just confusing and contradicting yourself up and down.

John 6.25 had nothing to do with the Sabath my friend. U are the one forcing it inside.

U said people were not allowed to work for food that perishes on Sabath day but should only do holy work.
But Jesus disciples were breaking corn and eating it on the Sabath day.
What is holy about breaking corn and eating it. They were hungry and they ate, simple. It has nothing to do with holiness.

Matthew 12
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3 Jesus answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests.......
If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 [i]For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. ”[/i]

Kobojunkie read your bible and shine your eyes, don't let a pastor take U run street feeding U with false doctrines....except U are the fake pastor self.

Kobojunkiee:
What is obvious from all of this is you have near no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

U came here and claim Sabath is about rest from labour but what Jesus said in John 5 is an exact opposite.

16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

This is exactly why he said he's the Lord of the Sabath.

So the question now is who should we believe about the Sabath.....Jesus Christ or the doctrines of kobojunkie.

Kobojunkiee:
What is obvious from all of this is you have near no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

What I brought here speaks for itself. U are the one desperately putting words into Jesus and Paul's mouth to fit your bias.

U failed to explain how Jesus could say nobody should be called father here on earth but we do call our Parents father.
Then U claim Jesus meant father as regards the kingdom of God. Then I asked U to show me where Paul said he's a father to people in the kingdom of God.
You went on about how Paul preached about jesus and kingdom of God, strawman argument borne out of logical fallacy.
The kingdom of God is about Jesus and eternal life. So show me where Paul said he's a father to anybody in eternal life. Bring a verse where Paul said I'm a father to you in eternity.
That's my question and U are yet to produce any answer.

Making claims is one thing but defending it with sound scriptural doctrines is another.

Your other claims about Jesus also proves your doctrines are false.
I have asked U to show me where Jesus said he hasn't changed the law..no response. Obviously U thought abolish is the same thing as change.
It's our duty to call out false prophets amongst us who may want to lead others astray.
If U don't like the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ regarding Himself the Lord of the Sabbath adds or changes nothing to the Old Law of Moses. Why? Jesus Christ in Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 - declared that He has come to give rest(Sabbath) to those who are weary and heavy-laden. In John 6 vs 25- 35 He declared that His followers will no longer work for food that perishes but instead for food that endures to eternity meaning every day will be a Sabbath day for them. That Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath changes absolutely nothing of that declared in the Constitutional Law that God gave to the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan.

From sabath to rest to eternal food. As I said earlier I need to change church or attend genuine bible study class.

Mark 2.24,27
[i] The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”......
27 Then Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.[/i]

John 5

16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Kobojunkiee:
WOW... you are not even aware that it is a sin for any man to change God's Law? yikes!

Show me the verse where Jesus said he didn't change the Law.
Bearer of false doctrine.

Kobojunkiee:
I am not in the mood for this unintelligent yammering abeg!

I already showed how Paul himself made clear that the context of his letters was Jesus Christ, and the same Jesus Christ by way of His Constitutional Law for the Kingdom of God revealed that He alone is Master to those in the Kingdom of God — of course, Jesus Christ could not have been master to those of the Old Law of Moses.

If Jesus Christ is not the master of those of the old testament, why did he call himself Lord of the Sabath ?

Kobojunkiee:
This ain't rocket science. And in the same Kingdom of God, there is only one Father overall, the Father in Heaven, and no other as Father. Jesus Christ also said. And this the same Jesus Christ who proclaimed that those who love Him among His followers are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Seems you have nothing else to offer so let others engage abeg!

Show me where Paul said he's a father to people in the kingdom of God. Otherwise U are a LIAR.
Bring the verse where Paul said such.

Paul wrote this....
2 I am writing to Timothy, my dear son.

Timothy, my dear son, be strong through the grace that God gives you in Christ Jesus.

How this translates to Paul saying he's the father of Timothy in the kingdom of God is bewildering to say the least.

That's even if U understand what kingdom of God actually meant U won't say this.
Anyhow your believe is your believe even if it's false.

Kobojunkiee:
I call on you to engage your brain when you reason these things please.

Jesus Christ said He did not come to change or abolish the Law which existed in the land at the time. Meaning that even though He came to give new commandments, that commandment had to have no impact on existing Laws in the land. Do you know how He was able to do this? He taught His followers that a separation existed - Two different Nations were in play, each Law belonging to the other or the other. The Old Law pertained to the context that was the Nation of Judah/Israel in the land of Canaan, whereas the New Law/Covenant which He brought to His followers only applied to those who were born-again hence of the Kingdom of God. He lived in submission to the existing Law at the time in question but He gave to His followers — those who are of the Kingdom of God which He brought to them — the other Law to live by. And both Laws are Eternal Laws.

Jesus Christ's rule to His followers applies only to those who belong in the Kingdom of God. That much is made abundantly clear in His teachings that even a gnat would not miss it. So, this attempt by your person to feign ignorance of the basics of the Kingdom of God — a Kingdom that is not of this world — does not do your case any good.

P.S. If, as you claim, I am as guilty as Paul, then it means I am equally guilty of sin against Jesus Christ as well and would immediately repent so that I continue instead in submission and obedience rather than disobedience(sin). But what you will never get me to say is that the Word of Jesus Christ is to be diminished to raise me from my guilt. I will never throw the truth of God, Jesus Christ, under the bus as you lot do so freely, all so you can raise a man above Jesus Christ.

Show me where Jesus said he didn't come to CHANGE the law. Bring the bible verse here
U will just be forcing words I to Jesus mouth anyhow.

Kobojunkiee:
I call on you to engage your brain when you reason these things please.

Jesus Christ said He did not come to change or abolish the Law which existed in the land at the time. Meaning that even though He came to give new commandments, that commandment had to have no impact on existing Laws in the land. Do you know how He was able to do this? He taught His followers that a separation existed - Two different Nations were in play, each Law belonging to the other or the other. The Old Law pertained to the context that was the Nation of Judah/Israel in the land of Canaan, whereas the New Law/Covenant which He brought to His followers only applied to those who were born-again hence of the Kingdom of God. He lived in submission to the existing Law at the time in question but He gave to His followers — those who are of the Kingdom of God which He brought to them — the other Law to live by. And both Laws are Eternal Laws.

Jesus Christ's rule to His followers applies only to those who belong in the Kingdom of God. That much is made abundantly clear in His teachings that even a gnat would not miss it. So, this attempt by your person to feign ignorance of the basics of the Kingdom of God — a Kingdom that is not of this world — does not do your case any good.

P.S. If, as you claim, I am as guilty as Paul, then it means I am equally guilty of sin against Jesus Christ as well and would immediately repent so that I continue instead in submission and obedience rather than disobedience(sin). But what you will never get me to say is that the Word of Jesus Christ is to be diminished to raise me from my guilt. I will never throw the truth of God, Jesus Christ, under the bus as you lot do so freely, all so you can raise a man above Jesus Christ.

Not interested in your long epistle filled with lack of sound doctrines and principles. Keep it for your gullible members u fill with lies and can't question it. We are bereans here.

If U are adding words and context for jesus statement, we can do the for Paul's statement.
Paul referring to himself as father or John calling his followers little children could mean mentor, role model, father-figure, guardian etc. that could be the context.
Why this hard for u to understand is what I can't comprehend.

All your false doctrines and fake believe will not negate the great contribution Paul made to Christian theology and christology of Jesus.

Kobojunkie:
1. Only Paul? Are you for real? The one pretending ONLY Paul here is you and no other person. The thread is regarding Sulaiman's statement regarding Paul is it not?

2. Earlier, I has explained how stewpid it was of you to attempt to justify Paul's mistake by pointing out that John made the same mistake in his letter too, did I not?

Look, if you don't have anything meaningful to add, it it ok to move on.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who do as He commands -- they submit to His teachings and commandments. (Not Paul's teachings or John's or james'.) So when you claim with one side of your mouth to follow Jesus Christ yet your obedience is instead to Paul or Peter or James, don't for one second think you fool God who sees the very intentions of your heart in your deceit..

All this long shalaye is not necessary.

Jesus said do not call anyone on earth Father. Simple. If U had call anyone on earth Father then U are guilty of breaking jesus commandment

If U have ever referred to yourself as father to someone here on earth, U are as guilty as Paul U
condemning.

Making exegesis and talking about context for jesus but denying Paul same makes no sense to anybody except u.

Kobojunkie:
Wow... why do you keep clowning around for Pete's sake? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Paul literally set the context as the Kingdom of God at the beginning of everyone of his letters. 😂 He even repeatedly emphasizes that he writes to those who believe in Jesus Christ aka are born-again and hence of the Kingdom of God like numerous times in his letters.

Bring the verses here. Not interested in your bias exegesis.
Jesus word can be taken out of context but Paul's word as to be literal according to U.

This is what Jesus said... And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
U added kingdom of God out of the blues for it to fit your bias agenda.
Then U added kingdom of God again to Paul's verse again to continue your false narration.
Neither of the verses mentioned kingdom of God.

That's exactly how people twist the word of God to generate false exegesis.

Expanse2020:
that is Elijah
Yahaya mean Allah is gracious

Merry go round as usual. Why is Elijah different, is he not in the Koran.
Yahaya has no meaning in Hebrew.
I can bet U know within yourself right now U not making any sense.