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Expanse2020:
But did you Jesus cursed people, blind people and also killed people when growing up to
From a kill to adult....Abi you never hear am before
Jesus was poor that why he can't afford a wife
Jesus didn't sleep with a kid but her foster father sleep with her mother at the age of 12 to 13🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 did Joseph fit called saint like that 🫣 eeewww what is that
His forfather consumate marriage with Rebeka at 13 too and also 3years with Rachel aww that bad
Jesus is also a coward he can't defend himself
Jesus also a sinner according to the bible🤣🤣
The God die like a coward and thief on the cross,🤣🤣eeewww what is that

When God die who controls the earth
He created man but men kill him, torture him .. which kind God is weak
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Tell me did Isa in the Koran owe slaves, did he marry?
Was ISA very poor he couldn't afford any of the above.

Expanse2020:
then tell me Jesus abolished slavery too

His followers abolished slave trade globally

AntiChristian:
Samson was not to touch strong wine or anything unclean!

So how does this explain how the holy spirit used him to kill a thousand, steal, etc?

Stop reading your own exegesis to the passage. Stick to the text.
U confusing God's covenant to Samson with his mum.

Read judges 13 them come back and answer. Esp 13.1-3.

What was the vow established btw God and Samson.
What was the goal of the vow.

AntiChristian:
You mean same Holy Spirit wey enter Samson Enter Boko Haram?

Nkita!

Is the spirit of Muhammed now the holy spirit?
So holy spirit is no longer angel Gabriel in islam?

AntiChristian:
In Judges 15:14-16

As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

Then Samson said,

“With a donkey’s jawbone
I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have killed a thousand men.”

Background
Samson's girlfriend was given to his companion as wife. So he was vexed. He burnt the grains of the Philistines because of this. The Philistines who happens to be the ruling class came to request that Samson be capture and delivered to them from his people. He then allow his people to catch him and deliver him to the Philistine. As he was being delivered, the holy spirit came upon him, he broke loose and killed a thousand of them! Then Samson composed the above poem!

Sirtee15, it can't get more confusing regarding this your Holy Spirit!

Why is it that Samson is always killing whenever the holy Spirit enters him?
Why does the Holy spirit keep entering him if he doesn't want him to kill?

The same way Muslims go on killing spree when the spirit of Muhammed enters them
No restrain, no caution. Na to dey do anyhow.

AntiChristian:
I gave you the verses but you guys usually assume you know it all!





It keeps becoming more senseless to me.
In Judges 15:14 (I know you won't read it), Holy Spirit came powerfully on Samson again and he killed a thousand people with a jawbone

Judges 16

One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute. He went in to spend the night with her. 2 The people of Gaza were told, “Samson is here!” So they surrounded the place and lay in wait for him all night at the city gate. They made no move during the night, saying, “At dawn we’ll kill him.”

Ok they collected your wife from u and killed her. After overcoming her grief, is this next thing for a man of God to be doing?
So because have the manifestation of spirit of God in you, na to dey do anyhow?
I think Muslims are like Samson, once they triggered they go violent and extreme. No caution, no restrain.
Once the spirit of islam or Muhammed enters them, they can murder thousands, and won't feel bad about it.
So there u have it, antichristian Samson is Una me tor for Muslim world.

AntiChristian:
I gave you the verses but you guys usually assume you know it all!





It keeps becoming more senseless to me.
In Judges 15:14 (I know you won't read it), Holy Spirit came powerfully on Samson again and he killed a thousand people with a jawbone

Ok let's make this a debate. That's the only way to go forward
Now let's start from the beginning.
What was the vow God established with Samson?
What was Samson expected to do by virtue of the movement with him and God AS PRONOUNCED BY THE ANGEL OF THE LORD.

AntiChristian:
Yes, many Babalawo give pastors juju. They bury items in the church premises to attract crowd! And the pastor will still call Jesus to heal.
Samson was doing the will of God by marrying a Philistine wife. (Judges 14:4 NIV)
That's why the Holy Spirit helped him with Power!

Pastor wey put juju under his church knows his source of power and whose name he's calling to do his miracles. Pastor can deceive others but he can't deceive himself.
Such Pastor won't even bother to call upon the Lord on the day of judgement, he will simply go and stand at the gate of hell, then wait for them to open it so he can enter willingly.

Samson wey dey commit fornication up and down, na him dey do the will of the Lord. Samson wey dey sleep with prostitute, na that one dey follow God's commandments.
Even Delilah is not his wife, na mistress. He carry woman put for house without paying the bride price, is that what the law of Moses taught him?
Abeg, say better thing.
Samson wanted the power but not the responsibility and accountability that comes with it.
He wanted to be known as a mighty man but not
a righteous or holy man.

Samson knew so long as he kept the vow, the power will stay.
But he foolishly thought he could keep that vow by his own might rather than trust in God who established the covenant in the first place.
That was his downfall.

And above is why we need the new covenant in the NT we preach to u Muslims

U keep the law not by your might or power but by the spirit of Jesus at work in you. Your physical self cannot perfect the things of the spirit, it's impossible.

At this junction, I'm 100% sure the story of Samson now makes sense to U.
But your stubbornness and blind faith in islam will not allow u acknowledge the truth.

honesttalk21:
Hence you advise students having trouble in an examination to produce their own question and answer? Odiegwu!

You choose to a dirty word interpretation for a word and language you know too little about.

Common stop taking it personal. I didn't invent abeed, did I.
Why are U so hurt.
Gosh!!!
Ok I will remove and take the right posts.

honesttalk21:
Jesus is the black or Arabian Muslim?

I cannot relate

I mentioned this arab-black Muslim post because I couldn't find the posts on Jesus calling God father.
That's what I meant.

Mayntheemaynn:
you mean jewish people in 1st century was casting out demons in the name of 'yeshua'

john the baptist said jesus will baptize people using what?
which name did jesus say you should not blaspheme against?

U testing my patience. Be like say the ban u chop never do U. Seems U want more.

honesttalk21:
How is this related to your comments about a black Muslim and an Arabian Muslim?

I couldnt find one about jesus called God father and decided to use this to call your attention.

Look here, Arab calling black Muslims dirty word is something U guys should sort out among yourselves.
It's none of my business.

But do not come here to tell me abeed or abd is a beautiful or glamorous word when Arabs use it to denigrate black Muslims.
That's my point.

If it's so beautiful as U claiming here, then it will not be used as a derogatory remark.

AntiChristian:
Even Babalawo can do miracles!

Must someone have the Holy spirit to do miracles?

But they casted put demon in the name of the Lord

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

Babalawo dey perform miracle in the name of Jesus?

Even Jesus didn't deny they performed the miracles in his name, he acknowledged that fact; He just wasn't having it.

The question is why? Because calling him Lord and doing miracle isn't enough.
To enter the kingdom of heaven, U have to do the will of the Father.

Matthew 7.21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.


Now the question is Did Samson- the killing machine do the will of the Father or followed his own desire?
This should answer the question U looking for if U are honest.

AntiChristian:
You think say I get time to waste!

I will respond to you three times and you've used one!

Then continue with your delusion and stop calling my name to irrelevance.
To each his belief..I'd that not what your Koran says.

AntiChristian:
That's obvious as they didn't follow his ways but were workers of iniquities!

But they had the power of holy spirit in them, they were performing signs and wonder like Samson- the killing machine.

Why would He reject them, despite having the holy spirit power at work in them.

honesttalk21:
Perhaps you should explain what your intent is in posting:





Highlighted your reference to a black Muslim and an Arabian Muslim. What are you saying really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Qf-zDVf8Q?si=q64D0O_OLkHs7_oi

This is a debate btw Muslims and Christian apologetics whether Jesus is a Muslim.
The Christians argument was simple, JESUS CANNOT BE A MUSLIM BECAUSE HE CALLED GOD HIS FATHER.
The debate was over within 38 minutes. The Muslims couldnt defend that point.

The Muslims tried to discredit the argument by bringing psalm where David also called himself the son of God.
Unfortunately for Muslims, that also proved that David wasnt a Muslim because he equally God his Father.

YOU CANT BE A MUSLIM AND CALL GOD YOUR FATHER. ITS BLASPHEMY.

The Koran cannot withstand historical scrutiny. It will fall like packs of cards.

YesDaddyTill203:
Conman with another rubbish trash. Billions of people have departed and will still depart and will not follow your trash Jesus. Na only you sabi who go make heaven? Stop your nonsense trash. The majority or people on Earth don't even believe in your Jesus nonsense.
Your religious brainwashing is complete and permanent. Emancipate yourself from your mental slavery.

You sound like someone who needs to be sectioned in a psychiatric institution for your safety and safety of others
No offense.

honesttalk21:
There's no point explaining. What relevance does this act have to activities over a thousand years after?

You are beclouded by your ignorant bias. Have you witnessed an Imam refusing to discuss theology or you just go with media lies and tall tales of your peers?

Remind me what your imam told his boys to do with that redeem woman preaching in front of a mosque in Abuja.

AntiChristian:
I think I did gave all these to TenQ, sirtee15 and others and they were giving one excuses or the other!

What excuse. U that don't even know what's the holy spirit.

AntiChristian:
Of what use is the holy spirit empowering him when he wanted to kill lion and thirty people for betting and stealing their clothes!

When he returns, Why would Jesus say to those filled with the power of the holy spirit and performing miracle thru the power of the holy spirit-

Depart from me all ye workers of iniquity.

Why would he tell them to go away despite these people performed sign and wonders in his name?

AntiChristian:
So God cherish human blood than animal blood? Does he drink it like a vampire? He could have just created an endless pool of blood to drink if He needs blood!



God needs no sacrifice!
1.
But Samuel declared: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams. 1 Samuel 15:22

2.
Matthew 12:7
If only you had known the meaning of 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.

3.
Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

4.
Hebrews 10:6
In burnt offerings and sin offerings You took no delight.

5.
Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but my ears You have opened. Burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not require.

6.
Psalm 51:15-16
O Lord, open my lips, and my mouth will declare Your praise. For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You take no pleasure in burnt offerings.

Ok let me discuss the atonement of sin and forgiveness according to the bible.
Promise me U won't abandon it because that's always my problem when debating with U.
U run away half way

honesttalk21:
Confused fellow hides ignorance in gish galloping. Focus

Is every record on each and every slave captured? When the mischief of your meddlesomeness is addressed you divert to other questions for what reason? Whatever explanation you already have is sufficient for you and what I say will not change that.

So U don't have answer for why Muhammed sold 2 Arab slaves for one black one.

U don't have answer for why Arab Muslims insult black Muslims with the word abeed, but I want me to believe abeed is a glamorous word.

U came here with your poor knowledge of medical anatomy and start claiming the womb lies btw the ribs. Even a 2nd yr medical student will not open his mouth to say such nonsense.

U are yet to reply to your dubious claim Jesus was called Isho.

Look here, your belief is your belief. It's not my business. But don't come here and start pushing it if U don't want it scrutinised.

There's a reason your imams heavily discourage and censors the discussing islam theology. They know it doesn't make sense and can't stand any scholarly scrutiny.

dazzlingd:
You can’t just imagine the depth of human foolishness and extreme gullibility plus stupidity and mental laziness. Perhaps they are just too lazy to flip an eyelid open to read. And when they do, too dull to comprehend or too chicken hearted and full of fear to challenge

If I take u on the nonsense U have been vomiting about Christ on this thread, U will be utterly embarrassed.
I have debated many atheist here on nairaland and outcome is the same- they all bite the dust.
Go to nairaland religious section and see their grave yards.

People with zero knowledge will just open mouth and talk. It's not your fault, it's the internet and cheap data I blame.

TenQ:
Would they listen?

Although they can explain it away that not all Muslims are bad and it is the bad ones who are rasists and treat backs as inferior.

I like to concentrate on their doctrines and the subsequent fallacies it entails with evidence from their books to prove my points.

Of course rasism can be proved easily from their literatures


One white slave equivalent to two black slaves AND Mohammed had to confirm that the non-black guy was a slave
Sunan an-Nasa'i 4184
It was narrated that jabir said:
"A slave came and pledged to the Prophet to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said: 'Sell him to me,' and he bought him for two black slaves . Then he did not accept the pledge from anyone until he asked: 'Is he a slave?"'


Even Bilal the first black Muslim was never set free till he died.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, "If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake, then leave me for Allah's Work."

This is the man they usually use to entice black men and sell the Narrative of equality amongst Muslims

honesttalk respond to why muhammed sold two black slaves to set free one arab slave. is it that the 2 blacks slave didnt like freedom and love their chains.

Expanse2020:
Google translate can do these for you for free

Academic scholars already done the work. They couldn't connect isa to the name of Jesus Christ and concluded ISA is a forgery.

honesttalk21:
Mr Medical expert! is this revelation one of Gynecology or it forms part of your reference material. Did we say it comes in contact with the ribs?

When the goal tender stands at the goal does he come in contact with both poles to be between them?

Do you forget basic English because of medical specialty?

The goal keeper can choose to touch the poles at any point in btw the poles. That's what we call contiguous.

Of your argument is in between, I already told u the uterus is NOT btw the ribs and the back bone. Instead U say the expanded uterus is ADJACENT to the ribs and back bone.

Do U get the English now?

honesttalk21:
Perhaps you should explain what your intent is in posting:





Highlighted your reference to a black Muslim and an Arabian Muslim. What are you saying really?

TenQ, I think we should also awaken the consciousness of our African Muslims brothers/sisters to the slavery mindset they have towards Arabs.

I pointed this out to honesttalk to show the reality of the word abeed, instead he accused me of being racist and denigrating towards black Muslims.

What a shame!!!

honesttalk21:
Nobody is debating semantics but categorically telling you what you choose not to accept that and could mean Slave just as well Servant.

Enough examples have been shown to you and despite your ridicule deepened in tribal or racial bigotry you know the truth and probably better than before.

Abd is not exclusively an Arabic word for slave.
Even if it is I and all Muslims are proud to be slaves of Allah.

Egbami, am I the one using racial slurs against black Muslims by calling them abd.
Am I the one who invented the word abd as a denigration against black Muslim.
By calling your attention to how people use the word abeed as turned to me ridiculing Muslims?
Did U condemn the use of abeed as a racial slur by Arabs against black Muslims ?

U know what I think? U black Muslims are cowards. U are not only a slave to Allah but slaves to Arabs.
U people dare not look into the face of Arabs and criticise them for their denigration of black Muslims.

U came here saying Arabs calling blacks racial slurs doenst matter and shouldn't bother me. I even queried how it affects me.
In short Arabs can continue to insult blacks, it doesn't matter so long as all Muslims are all slaves of Allah!!!!
What a shame and loss of dignity in the black Muslim community.

honesttalk21:
These description is not limited or guided by the precises of Anatomy, Gynecology or Medicine.

Pregnancy symptoms during week 35
Heartburn
Your uterus now reaches up under your rib cage It's crowding your internal organs, which is one reason why you may be dealing with increased heartburn (also called acid indigestion or acid reflux) and other gastrointestinal issues such as gas and bloating now.

By your expertise you will say this description is wrong isn't it?
https://www.babycenter.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/35-weeks-pregnant


The pelvis is the lower part of the torso. It's located between the abdomen and the legs. This area provides support for the intestines and also contains the bladder and reproductive organs.

Where is the abdomen relative to the ribs?

Drop it, your comments here shows u don't understand human anatomy. U talking like a medical semi-literate. U dabbling into stuffs u dont have in depth knowledge about.
No matter how expanded is the uterus, it can never come in contact with the ribs. U know why?
The diaphragm separates the thoracic cavity from the
abdominal cavity. none of the abdominal cavity structures directly touches the ribs.

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honesttalk21:
Historically was there a Jesus? How will this be when at the time of his existence there wasn't a J in the semantic language of Aramaic. What is the name of Jesus in Aramaic language?

The name Jesus was called when he was alive was ‘Isho’.The language he spoke is called ‘Aramaic’. More precisely, he spoke a dialect of Aramaic called the Jewish Palestinian Aramaic.
In Aramaic, there is nothing like ‘Joshua’, ‘Yeshua’, ‘Jesus’, ‘Yahoshua’ etc.

His name ‘isho’ became spelt as ‘Yeshu’ (same pronunciation) when the Hebrew language was used to write about him.

Even scholars have researched ISA and that have no idea where Muhammed fabricate it from.
I keep saying it, Koran can not survive historical scrutiny. It will fall yakata for ground.

honesttalk21:
Historically was there a Jesus? How will this be when at the time of his existence there wasn't a J in the semantic language of Aramaic. What is the name of Jesus in Aramaic language?

The name Jesus was called when he was alive was ‘Isho’.The language he spoke is called ‘Aramaic’. More precisely, he spoke a dialect of Aramaic called the Jewish Palestinian Aramaic.
In Aramaic, there is nothing like ‘Joshua’, ‘Yeshua’, ‘Jesus’, ‘Yahoshua’ etc.

His name ‘isho’ became spelt as ‘Yeshu’ (same pronunciation) when the Hebrew language was used to write about him.

Another bogus claim that U can't produce any evidence for.
Show me an evidence where Jesus was called isho in Palestinian Aramaic or ISA in Arabic.
U have none, nothing.

Jesus name in Aramaic spoken in judea region mean 'Yahweh saves' and that's translates to Yeshua/ Yeoshua in hebrew. That's the only name that match that definition.
Isho is the syriac-peshitta aramaic derivation of the name. Jesus never spoke that dialect.
Jesus is called Yeshu in the Talmud- a shortened derivative of the name Yeshua.
There's no where he was ever called Isa, the Arab Christians called him Yasu.

I won't waste my time with arguing the origin of Jesus with u. Nobody ever said he was called Jesus Christ.