₦airaland Forum

Beaf:
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Frankly speaking I don't see what issue you are talking about, the argument you are making or why you are irritated by a harmless statement. Surely, the easiest way to develop is the cheapest way?

You raised my attention to the fact that we should follow the cheapest path, I have simply expanded on that. I don't see the connection with African universities, research and our finding immediate solutions; what if these schools are not able to fund research in the next couple of decades?
In any event, there are already proven technologies that are suited to hot climates (do some googling).

As for Australia, here's an Australian solar energy company doing things without solar cells http://www.enviromission.com.au/EVM/Company/ShowPage.aspx?CPID=1109&PageName=US%20Energy%20Analyst%20Profiles%20Solar%20Tower%20Technology:%20Solar%20Tower%20Technology%20Makes%20U.S%20Debut
Australia is a leading country in solar energy and they are relying increasingly on solar energy.

No worries, not necessarily irritated with your whole post, just the 'purging my brain of the western picture' part; thought it was unecessary and uncalled for.

Now to address your posts. I assume we agree that the cheapest path should be followed, right? This is the thing. At current and with the level of development and research in such fields, "going green" isn't necessarily the cheapest (something you seem to advocate for domestic consumption). Research in Africa is important because technology or the specifics of a research is hardly ever given away for free; that is why countries like America are able to dangle nuclear know how over the the heads of certain countries and use it as a bargaining chip, because they have researched and have the know how, they have the knowledge. Hence, for Africa to 'do it itself', it might need to do some research itself too to obtain solutions that are suited to us. I am not saying we close our eyes to solutions already out there, but as I have said, solar energy is not even fully harnessed in developed countries, and it is difficult to find buildings that rely soleley on such. What percentage of Australia's energy is from solar energy? How many corporate buildings or industries in Australia are completely run on solar power?

What I am basically saying is, research into renewable energy can be encouraged and so on, but in the interim, we continue to use what is easily and readily available to lift ourselves out of poverty, only considering "going green" when it becomes much cheaper and cost effective.

Beaf:
. . .Thats why we have to do it ourselves. You are looking at the way it has been done in the West, but remember that the West is constrained by cold weather and poor sunshine; their feasibility studies and research directions are based on their conditions.
All over Africa, sunshine is quite strong, the length of day and night is more or less constant (not getting dark at 3pm!), so we don't have to rely on solar cells; we can have simply concentrate and convert solar heat directly, it is much more efficient and much cheaper as well.

If you purge your mind off the Western picture, you'll see things from a totally new perspective.

Me and a couple of guys a hoping to start an NGO soon on the above and similar topics. I'll be posting here about it.

Why don't we address the issue instead of advising me to "purge" my mind from the "western picture". How many Universities in Africa do scientific research? I think you might be the one missing the argument here. Never said we shouldn't 'do it ourselves'. Simply stated that in the meantime while all these ifs and whatever are being ironed out, we need industrialisation and fast. If oil is going to power industrialisation in the interim (while all the research and whatever is going on), then so be it, and that should not even be a question. These things take time, in Africa children die everyday as a result of poverty, the need in developed countries cannot be compared with the need on the African continent. By the way, Australia is developed, bright and hot as well.

Beaf:
In all honesty, the way the West is running is totally wrong. Everything is centralised from gas distribution, to electricity to dealing with sewage; less developed countries like Nigeria have every opportunity to do it differently; more than anything, we need to consider our environment in the decisions we take. We already have soakaway pits and septic tanks instead of centralised sewers (not practical in Europe, US, China, Japan etc because their cold climate will freeze up everything); think about how much capital and government time we save in this way. Can we not do the same with electricity? Let every home generate its own electricity. Solar energy is also abundant enough for our cooling needs (eg AC and freezers).

I agree 100% that we need to be racing toward industralisation, but lets look very wisely before jumping. There are many cheaper routes to technology that we can follow than what obtains in the West, the West has only approached development as dictated to a large extent by climate, culture and extortion; if these things are not the same for us, we need to sit back and think up alternative routes. As a simple example, car shells, bodies and some engine parts don't need to be metal and consume so much energy to produce, we could do it with plastic (that would sort out a use for our oil ).

If industry needs to be powered by oil, then by all means lets do that, but there is no reason why the average home cannot be energy sufficient. Imagine how much that would save in aluminum wires purchases and government time.

Yes, we have a chance to do things differently, that is not the issue. I would prefer renewable and sustainable energy anyday, and not because of global warming. If adopting such energy means cleaner air to breathe and more forests and wildlife, then sure. However, I would only support such if it can meet the demand. You talk about renewable energy for individual homes, with the current level of development in such technologies? Are you really sure you are familiar with such technologies? I ask because I have seen them in action, they are not exactly reliable and are mostly used as back up by buildings in the west, not to mention the initially high installation cost. Funny enough, I recall a documentary I watched a while a go. Some hospital in Africa was being encouraged to use solar energy to power their needs, they could run the fridge or the the lights, not both, how enticing a prospect (I guess faced with the alternative of no power anything was something). Solar energy technology has a way to go before it becomes reliable and practical, till then I say we burn. The only reason solar energy would be attractive to anybody in Nigeria is simply because it is Nigeria and there is hardly ever power, so anything that can generate current would be welcomed.

@Beaf; worrying whether we are using the most 'fashionable' power source should be the least of our problems, we should be more worried about the most cost effective solutions. If OIL is going to prove cheaper to use to generate power and run our industries, and if it is readily available, then I say use it, burn it, whatever. The west even remotely considering trying to encourage Africa to invest in technology not yet fully developed or harnessed in the west would be nothing short of an insult.

African nations need to be racing towards industrialisation which would lift many on the continent out of poverty. Global warming was and is not caused by Africa, I mean, how much pollution does the continent generate? The issue is not whether we can do without oil, but whether doing without oil would prove to be more expensive and hence less cost effective. After all the noise making about global warming and how it is a threat to the whole world, till this day there has been NO consensus in the west over how to tackle the problem due to fear of the implications such would have on their industries and profits. What then gives them the moral justification or right to tell developing countries to compromise on rapid industrialisation driven by cheap and more readily available power sources all in the name of 'going green'? Don't be surprised, the climate summit will come and go, and the only consensus would be that "global warming is a problem". If developed nations aren't treating global warming with the urgency they espouse in their media, then why should developing countries treat it any different?

Tippy Top:
Sky Blue said:

The politically correct ideals and statutes are what make's you able to walk the streets without being called a Nigga.
If you hate this European constant need to be politically correct why don't you come back to Naija.

Jeez I hate goons.

Correction, the reason blacks can walk down the street without an overbearing risk of being called a "nigga", is because such can be treated as verbal assault and there is a functioning judicial system and reasonable law enforcement. What I was referring to with regards my statement is when such political correctness becomes so stifling that obvious truths cannot be spoken, not because such truths are necessarily punishable under the law or infact actually offensive (like in the case of being called a "nigga", but because of fear of sounding anything different from the "accepted" way you are meant to sound, even if it means overlooking the truth.

I was going to ignore your little tantrum when you didn't even have the courtesy to ask for elaboration from "goons" such as myslef. Such obstreperous behaviour though quite irritating, have been better perfected by other poster on Nairaland to the point of now being boring and not worth indulging. However, I thought it might be better if I actually make the effort to elaborate and enlighten you; if it means someone gets educated in the process then surely not all is lost. By the way, you do not need to respond to every post if it irritates you, I will not indulge you any further. Have a nice day.

muhsin:
Let me do it here briefly:

The word “secular” encompasses huge meaning, really, politically and democratically. And that meaning comprises total negation to putting "embargo" on any particular religion as there is freedom to profess and practice any of the religion on the earth. Putting that fact in mind, doesn't this action resemble barbarism . . . where certain rule is stated but a different thing is practiced? Hope you get my point.

More-over, why even Islamic countries don’t ban spires? Is it because they don’t value architectural stuff or what? This is ridiculous. . . They are just trying to ban anything Islamic that’s why they started with smaller, smaller things like minarets.

Putting in mind what fact? "Building embargo on any religion"? Apologies, but my patience seems to be running out, so I would have to ask again, what are you talking about? In most western countries people are hardly just allowed to build anything they want, a permit is required. Such a prerequisite for building, is useful in controlling what such cities or towns or nations want their image to be. The Swiss have not banned mosques, they have banned Minarets. So is Minarets Islam? They have decided they do not want Minarets in their country, it seems they have decided it is alien to them, it is not part of their culture or traditional architecture. I guess it is "barbaric" because they want to keep some of their traditions? It is barbaric because they have refused to be arm twisted into accepting what they don't want? Have they stopped Muslims from practising?

Spires are a recluse of 'church architecture'? What on earth are you talking about? Please I urge you, do some research.

muhsin:
This is a wrong comparism; Churches are allowed in Iran. . .go ask. Iran as an Islamic country.

Switzerland is a SECULAR country. . .go ask if you don't know.

A[b]nd, Saudi is a sacred city for Muslims. What you here have to ask is: are mosques allowed in Vertican?[/b]

How many questions? 3. Only.

This is getting a tad irritating. Switzerland has not banned the building of mosques for crying out loud, so why the reference to Iran.

Then to look at your second excuse for an argument. How big is the vatican? Please do tell. Are muslims banned from going to the vatican? How big is the vatican and how big is Saudi Arabia? What is the population of the Vatican and what is the population of Saudi Arabia? The Vatican is actually in Italy, to be more precise Rome. Are mosques banned in Italy or Rome? Please at least do some basic research before trying to put up such weak arguments.

koolboi:
SIX ZONE IS RUBISH
WHO WILL RULE IN PLACES LIKE MIDDLEBELT WHERE THERE ARE NUMEROUS ETHNIC GROUPS

It is not about ethnic groups, but about creating functioning and viable blocks that can economically sustain themselves. By your argument then I am guessing we should really have about 250 different states since there are about that same number of ethnic groups in Nigeria, right?

muhsin:
The response actually gets lots to do with your points. Re-follow your posts.

Since you seem to see the connection, why not point it out? I keep asking how this is "babaric" or "stone age", such postulations are quite laughable. Read the article again, mosques were not banned, muslims were not banned from worshipping, minarets were banned. MINARETS. The Swiss do not want Minarets in their sky line and do not see it as part of their culture, just like most western cities in the world won't allow you to build whatever you like in their cities, the Swiss have decided to keep their skylines Minaret free. Wouldn't forcing them to adopt an architectural style they find foreign and not paticularly likeable be undemocratic and "barbaric"? Minarets is not part of Swiss architecture, it is not the style and they want to maintain a particular look in their cities, so what are you talking about?

Ikomi:
She never said mosques. 

Anyway thats old news.

Sky Blue:
It is old news. Didn't say she claimed mosques were banned. Was just pointing out that mosques weren't banned so it is not necessarily the kind of discrimination a lot of major media outlets have been alluding to. Was simply commenting on the article she posted.

Do you now see why I quickly explained and emphasised that Minarets were all that was banned? LOL. That's how predictable I knew the responses would be.

rethink:
@sky blue

I was talking(thinking) of solving the Road component problem of transportation in lagos state. BRT. I lived in Singapore but the LAGOS STATE GOVERNMENT IS MISSING THE ROAD COMPONENT OF THE PROBLEM.

If I understood your post correctly, you would rather the government sell of roads to private companies to maintain them? In that case I think the path the government has chosen is better, only, I am not even sure you are aware of the details of the road contracts signed. The contracts signed for a good number of the roads built by the current administration involved not just building the road, but maintaining it for a duration, that is why some roads had two companies associated with them. That makes more sense than selling the road and making it private property (which doesn't make sense to me).

rethink:
What this means is that I dont want you to imagine again just act that is dangerous. WE MUST IMAGINE UNTILL WE HAVE NO MORE SPACE TO IMAGINE.

A MAN THAT STOPS TALKING BECAUSE HE IS TIRED OF TALKING WILL GO TO WAR

A MAN THAT STOPS THNIKING OR IMAGINING BECAUSE HE IS TIRED WILL START ACTING


Now to babapupa and sky blue

The management of state road is where the problems stems from. We need to sell out the road in block to those that can manage it. We also need to create bus station that the road managers would build and maintain.

reason for this is that when private firms manage road they will cut cost and make it easy for movement of traffic, I will give an ensample.

You have a road that could save alot of money and free traffic but there are houses and other structures on the road's path.

SCENERIO 1

If the State government was to take charge of this the cost will be skyrocketed because the agents and the compensated would ask for so much that it would be better for the state government to abandone the cause

SCENARIO 2

If it was private company the cost will be minimal and beside there will be alot of bus terminus springing up even houses where people live would be mad bus terminus. The road business is a business just like any other business we must make sure that we sell off the state road to road companies. We need to free our roads

?? ?? ?? What has this got to do with my posts?

[quote author=Jean! link=topic=359384.msg5047100#msg5047100 date=1259920777]Thank God for internet forums. It is a great place to learn.
In my opinion I do not think Nigeria's problem is number of state it has. The major thing that should be pursued with all sincerity is Rule of Law.  There should be strict law enforcement in every sector of the nation. If we have just 6 geopolitical zones as suggested by Mr Anyaoku and structures are not put in place to ensure people abide by state laws I fore see a worse off nation.
I think also that having more financial control in more people's hand is far better than money being held/controlled by few super powerfuls (even now I think of the issue of King Makers and the evil they perpetrate under present structure). Some way or the other money spreads around.
We must not forget that what we need in this country is for things to work and work efficiently too. Human being have the tendency to do some level of criminal acts and get away with it. It is when strict adherence to regulations/laws is enforced that people will sit right and do right. The Rule of Law should be so entrenched that 'sacred cows' are 'slaughtered' by the law just like any other animal when they break the law.[/quote]You might need a better excuse than the whole "Rule of Law" rouse. If rule of law is going to be an issue with 6 geo political zones, why won't it be an issue with 36 states? The issue as stated by many is not rule of law, it is simply the fact that running 36 states is a major drain on the resources. A lot of states cannot support themselves, so why were they created? No need to divert attention to what this is not about. I really do not see where "rule of law" detracts from the validity of the argument with regards to the current set up. By the way, its easy to shout "rule of law, rule of law", ever asked yourself whose law we are trying so hard to abide by? The constitution is not even a people's constitution.

As stated earlier, I would have no problem with 36 states if the proponents of such a set up support a more federal system where states can control their resources, then we can talk. You can 't keep creating states anyway you like and expect the federal government (which gets most of its income from just a small section of the country) to support you, that is more money spent on sustaining more bureaucracy and less money potentially spent on development.

KnowAll:
I'll take open democracy any day over this contrived contraption, that way, anybody can run and we can choose the best man for the job.


The word open democracy is foreign to Africans and cannot be employed in a multi cultural state like Nigeria. Who told you we dont have open democracy, is anybody holding u back from running for any post u fancy. I dont think so 

So there is no "gentleman's agreement" over the presidency? There is no such thing as quota system and federal character? Me thinks you need to go look at the tenets of an open democracy. Please stop being disengenuine, it is very irritating and you have a propensity for it, I need to stop joining issues with you because it really is futile.

RichyBlacK:
Just because Saudi-Arabia remains the center of barbarism does not mean Europe and the rest of the sane world should use it as a yardstick for anything meaningful!

What exactly have you said and what has it got to do with the points I raised?? Nevermind

RichyBlacK:
Though Islam harbors hordes of zombified lunatics, the rights of the sane Muslims must be defended!

The minaret is part of Islamic architecture and has some significance in Mosque design. It is not used for any form of evil as far as I know.

It is unfortunate that it has come to this.

Come to what? What rights should be defended? Right to build minarets? Can we stop turning this into what it doesn't have to be please, it is getting old; Europe and its constant need to be politically correct. When you think of Switzerland you think a lot of things but you do not think minarets. It is not part of their mordern culture and they have chosen not to change that anytime soon. It is like going to saudi arabia and expecting to marvel at victorian architecture. It is Switzerland and they have a culture and identity they want to preserve; they do not see minarets in their skyline, so be it (it is afterall their country).

I'll take open democracy any day over this contrived contraption, that way, anybody can run and we can choose the best man for the job.

KnowAll:
We need about 50 States, I dont think we have enough States at the moment. We had 57 Provinces or there about during Colonialism, some of those Provinces are not yet States, the earlier they become States the better. Ogoja Province, Ijebu Province and a few others  comes to mind.

The revenue formula must be reviwed, the 55 % taking by the Federal Goverment must be cut to about 35% and giving to the States. All Roads within a State should be build, mantained and repaired by the State Goverment. The Federal Authorities should build and maintain roads linking one state to another.

All Universities , Secondary Schools should be handed over to the States, can u imagine FG in Abuja being responsible for Kings College in Lagos a Secondary school. It is not on.  The Federal Govement should wash it hands of Radio and Televesion Brodcasting that should be handled by the private sectors.

Airports should be in the hands of Private sector. Police  Should be handed over to States except the Fedral High Road Patrol who will patrol inter state high ways or the FCT Police based in Abuja. That is my take  

How many states can currently survive without the assistance of the federal government? So you want more defunct states and less money available for the federal government to support such states?

Kay 17:
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE FOR THE ID? what happens to those that are not qualified to have one? its simple.  you really need basic research. as a nigerian there is an obligation to read the constitution. that is why you think like a illiterate. you do not have a level of expectation for your leaders. the guvnor of each state is to issue orders and instructions on the security of the state to the commissioner.it is thus the responsibility of the state of security is that of the gurnor. and the verdict:terrible.

Point taken. However I hope you are aware that no state can actually choose how many officers it can hire into the force. Lagos State government has been fighting for state police to give it better control over its security, hence when you say it is Fashola's police it just sounds quite silly. Police is a federal insitution, not ka state one. It is thesame reason why state governments don't normally repair federal roads, it is the responsibility of the federal government. Why don't we just stop parambulating and get to the point. You alluded to their being nothing but beaitification projects and the likes, and downplayed the importance of Eko Atlantic and what the project actually entails. You have shown you were ignorant of the subject and you are only interested in arguing for no reason. Stick to the topic of development in Lagos state, is there anything tangible to show for the current administration's term? I believe so. The issue isn't that, the issue is whether you feel it is enough or whether it justifies the time and funds spent. Stop dragging down the quality of the discourse.

Kay 17:
his police and "para-security" have terrorised and extorted the masses, he has given them licence fire at people not criminals, that do not conform to his muslim dress code.he has authorised them to beat and if possible kill people in order to enforce an environmental law. pls mention a place in Lagos were traffic rules are posted. last week, i shredded 5k for a non-existent zebra crossing and because my papers expired two days earlier, thus i was a "criminal"

His police? Since when did Lagos state government run its own police? Please when making allegations at least provide something resembling evidence to back up such. You were driving with expired papers and according to your story decided to bribe the whomever for a non existent zebra crossing? What do you want us to do about that?

Meldrick:
Mr. Anyaoku!!!! Pls say something else. America has more states and no-one has suggested scrapping their states. The problem with Nigeria is not state creation. In fact that is one essential characteristic of a federal system.
The Government must be closer to the people.

The problem is with the people who occupy those offices. Everybody holding political office looks at it as a profession rather than a call to serve.
Until political office holders are stripped of a lot of arbitrary powers they exercise, Until political office holders see themselves as the banker in the bank who realizes he must satisfy his customer or get fired. Then we will continue dancing round a circus.

How big is America? How big is Texas? What is the population of America? What is the internal generated revenue of states in America, say New York? What is the internal generated revenue for a state like Katsina? What are you talking about?

Kay 17:
pls, has BRT solved the transportation crisis? Lagos is a metropole and one of the most populated cities in Africa and has no City Metro.  Joburg has, Cairo has, Windhoek has!!. BRT simply increases the traffic pressure on the road and is definitely not a long term solution and fast becoming a disaster. But the ingenious Govnor has a nice plan: throw out non-indigenes.

BRT has not solved the traffic problem, but has created a viable alternative to danfo buses. BRT since its inception has been well patronised and created a lot of jobs. IT has its dedicated pathway and the service has proved reliable enough for any to use. It is not the panacea to lagos transport problems, but it is one of the ingredients which when integrated together would help curb the traffic and other transport related problems. New jetties have been built and inspectedm and proper boats have been put to use on ferry routes. Expansion of such things would help. Clearing of oshodi has eased the traffic in that area and LASTMA has helped to enforce traffic rules. It appears Lagos state government doesn't want to be the one to pay for Metro, which makes sense because there is a lot to on a limited budget. All of this information is available with basic research, again, I implore you, do some basic research.

Ikomi:
I cant let the cat out of the bag! There watching.

Sorry but you are not making any sense, have a nice day

Kay 17:
/another illiterate/ i took pains enumerate the several problems, pls mention the projects? oh, Atlantis?

Please listen to advice and try not to take this as an insult, stop spouting ignorance and go and do the research. This topic has been discussed at length before and on numerous ocassions so I don't want to keep repeating what has been said over and over again. You mentioned beautification without mentioning all the may roads that have been completed, or the BRT, or the microfinance initiative, or Lekki Expressway which would begin construction soon, or the other projects instigated. You mentioned Eko Atlantic without stating that although it is backed by the Lagos state government, none of the financing is coming from lagos state treasury. Again, do you research and stop spouting ignorance; it is an advice, take it so we can have reasonable discourse, no need to let pride stop you from learning.

Ikomi:
Sky Blue you have no right to comment on the article.

?? And why is that?

blacksta:
another opportunity for some people to chop - trust Nigerians  - 28,000 000 for Paint - Why not use that money to build health centres around the town where it will have a lasting effect -

It is a NGO and you do not need to join them. They are not using government money and they are free to do what they want with their funds, as long as their members agreed to it and those donating knew what the fund was going into. Why not give us a quote for how much a bucket of paint costs in Nigeria and compare it with the stretch of streets and the number of buildings they want to paint? That way we can tell you know what you are talking about.

Ikomi:
She never said mosques. 

Anyway thats old news.

It is old news. Didn't say she claimed mosques were banned. Was just pointing out that mosques weren't banned so it is not necessarily the kind of discrimination a lot of major media outlets have been alluding to. Was simply commenting on the article she posted.

Kay 17:
@blackspade, fashola has done so much like repatriating beggars to kaduna, by investing in trees and flowers, also an harebrained scheme for ids for LAGOS CITIZENS, proliferate lgs, depriving people of their property and draw up a proposal to build Atlantis while transportation system has broken down, standard of public schools is declining steadily, crime rate is on the rise, his police and "para-security" are terrorising and extorting the masses and finally creating dustbin jobs. of course in a country that has hardly seen good things and does not understand the nature and process of democracy, he is working!

You might want to educate yourself on the projects embarked on and the nature of such projects. You might also want to educate yourself on the projects completed too. Criticism is one thing, but just criticising for the sake of it without being able to make solid points is just another.

moyaab:
Nice Idea! But don't will think this will result in over domination of the nation's polity by certain sets of people and Increased corruption? Come to think of it, some of the reasons why States & LGs were created is to bring Government & Governance nearer to the people and promote everybody's involvement; so what becomes of this aim when states are scrapped?

Such can still be achieved in a different structure. The current system is simply too big and inefficient, the irony is that government hasn't necessarily moved closer to the people. Perhaps the intentions were honourable at the start, but many of these states are defunct. People want development, give it to them, fund projects, and stop creating more states and more bureaucracy. What was one of the federal government's response to militancy and agitation in the niger delta? Creation of Ministry of Niger Delta. What kind of thinking is that? There were already agencies like NDDA set up earlier, but it seems the reigning trend is coming up with new ministries, new slogans and new agencies as the panacea for development. You want to develop somehwere, don't give us gist, just do it.

SapeleGuy:
Brilliant story - may be they should start hurling rocks at their corrupt leadership. Who ever thought that excess luggage would be the catalyst for the revolution.

I hope you are joking. Some disgruntled elements were protesting at not being allowed to bend the rules to their favour and that is a revolution? That is like saying the man who insulted a traffic warden for being given a parking fine, or the police man protesting over not being bribed, is a revolutionary. Federal government sponsored pilgrimage simply needs to stop, let people throw rocks at private airline staff if they want, as long as they are not using state money to go on these trips.

vislabraye:
Very Idealist but not practical. Moreover, the creation of more states has helped in major development. I think we should leave things the way they are.

What is very impractical and almost foolish, is spending over half of the income on the country on paying government salaries. That is money that could be used for development. That is excessive and inefficient bureaucracy, more avenues for corruption and more avenues for mismanagement. Nigeria cannot sustain such a big government. I would only consider your argument if you would support that states control their resources, then we would see how many of these defunct and unviable states would be able to survive.

The Federal government needs to stop spending money on sending people on pilgrimage, whether it is hajj to mecca or pilgrimage to jerusalem, it needs to stop. It is state money. This is getting ridiculous.

9ja4eva:
Pat Utomi


Can't think of anyone better aside Fashola

If that guy is serious about getting votes then he needs to start gaining exposure and campaigning ASAP. I doubt he is very well known in rural Nigeria or certain segments of the country.

Its quite amusing how people always seem to strive to return to tried leaders. Buhari, Atiku, Johnathan, IBB, Kalu. I don't understand how people will plant pear and expect orange.