₦airaland Forum

Fhemmmy:
So after they had fought and they lost, they now decided to trade their own people for gun powder and some other nonsense?
Then, those kinda people are not worth to be a leader, they are traitors and they are selfish, tell me, would any of those useless leader at that time sold their own kids into slavery?
By the way, the fight that was put up by the black people, was it by the people that were being sold or the people that were selling them?
Let us be realistic and see that, from the beginning, we never had leadership, we have always had cowards and selfish people.

PapaBrowne:
And that is exactly my point. Because Warri is a small city, it is very affordable for the government of Delta to run the lights on generators. Those Solar lights in PH cannot in anyway be compared to the lights in Warri. They are almost as dark as NEPA's low current!

citizenY:
Dora no go go call this man now. Na so we suppose to begin rebrand. Not to
go call one cut and nail chinaman to come do contract.

morpheus24:
At least the people try sef to come out and march.

haven't seen this in naija for a long time now.

this is why I uphold the US's second amendment which includes the right to bear arms so you are not subjected to such tyranny.

PapaBrowne:
I choose to disagree. Fine, Fashola is doing good. But Lagos is too enormous so the impact is barely felt.
Delta and Rivers on the other hand, much smaller, hence more impact.
Just a silly example: For instance in Warri, all trunk A roads are street lighted 12hrs non stop- All! Lagos cannot afford to do that!
Public transport system in Warri- Brand new Fully airconditioned Toyota Hiace buses- Lagos cannot afford that because of its size.

bawomolo:
he is regularly absent from his post while on medical trips. FDR went to Florida (coral springs i believe) during his rehabilitation and had messengers from Washington.

as for the bolded, that's another argument

bawomolo:
FDR didn't have to take overseas trips for treatment.

AjaraEwuro:
Franklin D. Roosevelt ruled America from a wheelchair for over ten years - americans coped with him instead of praying him to die.

Sine1:
Valid point? which valid point did you raise? except that you will never live your life unless yaradua steps out of office.

Sine1:
We thank God for the internet Its sad because you have been complaining for 50 odd years. Well this is a new medium to let your grouses out. Strike was a thing of the past.ok o. the people demand more from behind their computer screens. Halleluyah!

Rosabelle:
@Sine1. Obasanjo was president for 8yrs and ASUU strikes reduced drastically. Somehow people got through school and finished. If you say Yaradua is building on what obasanjo left behind, what is he doing about it My sister has ebing waiting to do exams for 5months now (this was a thign of the past). ASUU is on strike and Yaradua is opening a university in SAUDI ARABIA. His mates are in New York, I repeat.
Theres NO logical explanation to his actions.

Sine1:
When will you see that i have rated this man not as a God or as a King but as an ordinary Nigerian. He has no innovations. Average. Average. Bleh. Just there. I did not say he is the man we should want to father our babies lol.
Why do you think you are better than him? What makes you think that if given the opportunity you would respond to people fairly?? even moderators as I have read in the Nairaland section treat people unfairly locking and deletiing threads when it suits them. I wonder.

Well remember this.  . . no two people can ever believe the same thing. How you see it is different from how I do. We are all objective here ( well Sky blue and Rosabelle anyway lol)

and I respect everyones opinions!

Sine1:
Sky Blue
No no I am not here to condemn any bodys ratings or objectivity! i did not say or insinuate that others are not objective not here anyway! but what do you want? A floating castle in the sky? Maybe a robotic maid or manservant? Its strange when you want progress sharp sharp but are only ready to blame every other person.

I Ask HOW CAN THE PRESIDENT GOVERNORS COUNCILLORS ETC BE THE CAUSE OF EVERY PROBLEM YOU hAVE?? Is it not weird when you wake up in the morning and you blame Obasanjo for not putting a full English breakfast on your table?? How can we pass this blame on so happily?

Sine1:
Hi OAM4J
Please don't get me wrong It is our RIGHT to speak against our leaders. But when the people who are speaking up are doing so for doing sake its weird.
Im not his supporter not at all! But I do not understand why or how we can blame every problem to other people?? why

How can Yar'Adua be the cause of someone yelling at the bank?? Or how can Fashola be the cause of a Motorcyclist washing his bike in the middle of the road? Leaders are part(!) of the problem AND the solution!

Sine1:
my rating of the President was OK - Average. Simply as a comparison with other leaders and my expectations. He has done nothing to reverse Nigeria's motion. though he has done little to improve it. I think he has so far been the President I expected him to be. Slow (very slow) BUT treading with caution. He does not attempt to be some mastodon of leadership as he knows he isn't. He has simply continued with Obasanjo's processes though with little innovation of his own. He has simply relied on Due process. Thats why I said OK. I did not say he is the Nigerian King who shall lead us to  manna. He is Average.

Hence I say that Obasanjo was above average. He instituted a few systems which work today.
Fashola is doing good. Very good.
BUT remember all these are my impressions of them as political entities. I am not concerned if they have 5 wifes, 200 children or is a hermaphrodite. My expectations may be low! Oh yes! But they are objective.

Sine1:
Any particular reason why you believe should he resign?
I think he is doing OK in my books. . . I wasn't expecting a Utopian society and a country is only as good as the people within it.

Sky Blue:
WOW. I am very curious, please do tell. Inform us what Yar Adua has done in over two years in your book to warrant a pass mark. I am dying to know. Please Please Please. Perhaps we have all been blind to his leadership panache, so do enlighten.

Sine1:
Cowardice allows people to sit anonymously on the internet and complain about leaders.
Laziness allows other people to take up leadership positions in whatever circle whether in Schools or jobs or whatever.
Selfishness allows people to not consider how a leader should be condemned. . . objectively, without telling him he is from the South or his daughter is this or that or referring to his health.

I am against what may be termed revolution but i am all for progress. I don't want to carry a placard saying 'Yar'Adua go away'. Its useless. Why can't I simply take up my responsibilities as a proud citizen? Its all good to complain we have a right to! and we should! but we should not JUST sit complaining. Consider your fellow man when next you toss something out of your window. Yar'Adua put it there. The other day I saw a trailer's tire had burst and he was scrating and tearing up the Ibadan Expressway. . . again Im sure yar'Adua was driving that truck or sold the man bad tyres. . . sigh. . .   After all if PHCN works it would not only power ny house but the homes of other Nigerians. Honestly ,there is only one destination we are ALL looking towards, the only difference is which path we think is best. . .  do you agree?

Sine1:

@ roasbelle and Sky blue
Why would people just go around insulting each other?  Well thanks il try to stay clear of posters like Bialegend. . .

@Sky Blue
My problem is not with Yar'Adua to be honest. I really believe that he is a representative of the people. An ordinary Nigerian like the rest of us.If we move backwards and note our past leaders, we can see that they are simply Nigerian in values and behaviour. . .Nothing More Nothing less. . they all have the same mind frame, the same approach to problems and so forth. These are not 'God on Earth'. If given the opportunity to lead many of us would be in the same conundrum as they are! Our development does not depend on the 'Nigerian leader' as some of us may put it but on 'Nigerian People'. . . because the Leader is SIMPLY a representative of the people.

Sine1:
Hi Sky Blue there's really no need to address others with such sarcastic remarks. . . this is one of my first posts and I was rather insulted.
Thanks  
Now I had just posed a question asking what we would cite as reasons for his resignation. . .Would it be things he hadn't done or things he had done wrong?

Sine1:
Any particular reason why you believe should he resign?
I think he is doing OK in my books. . . I wasn't expecting a Utopian society and a country is only as good as the people within it.

chosen04:
But must we wait for SONY to call us Scammers B/4 we know that Nigeria is full of scammers. Scamming is even better. Like at DORA that cannot stop govt officials from DAY LIGHT LOOTING complaining about SONYs apology.

Let her get all govt looters too to apologize to nigerians.

SONY has made her  point "Nigeria is full of scammers and looters" period
Sony your sins are 4given, Go and sin no more.

Biati de 1:
@ Sky blue,

I dont see you as being more civilised than Prof Dora,
the problem with us Nigerians is that we find it dificult accepting our own.  If Nigeria tries as little what Sony did,  Abroad, somebody is bound to be jailed for it.  Besides its high time the Oyibos realise that Niaja should not be taken for granted.  Let us all join hands to promote the rebranding project , we need it.
Am not a racist but let Oyibos know that second class treatment is no longer acceptable by us much less in our own domain

chosen04:
Thats why its a crime to say am SORRY in Nigeria. I blame SONY for even Apologizing in the 1st place.

babapupa:
I'll make sure to respond to you more positively and comprehensively as soon ass Tinapa starts making money  to build roads, bridges, hospitals and schools and people of calabar starts drinking disease free water, employ 10 thousand youths and all the other stuff you named. Right now, Tinapa is a big ole' money losing pit with zero benefits, use and gain to the calabar people. That you can not dispute.


About me getting fired, you're basically disputing and buttressing my point at the same time. Go invest your job's money on some project without  securing necessary permits to operate and see how fast you get fired.

The obvious implication here is the fact that the state and their partners were reckless and incompetent. Tinapa is gathering dust because of that single incompetent act. meanwhile, Tinapa is losing millions of dollars a day, just imagine how many roads, bridges, schools and hospitals construction jobs that go don create, I'm talking about millions of dollars worth of construction projects since 2007.

babapupa:
It doesn't matter how you cut and dice it. Any business venture that's not making money is a bad project, especially a poorly conceived, ill advised and misguided project.

All this ya essay just buttressed my point.


If I spent my company's money on a project like that without the necessary operating permits, den for don fire me long long time ago, but trust Nigerians to point fingers at other people. We have zero sense of discipline and responsibility, we exhibit the same foolish  and dangerous mindset that's crippling the country.

Tinapa is just another chapter and example of our messed up national character.


Basic research shows that the planners were not professionals

Basic research shows that the planners didn't dot their lines before committing their money

What kind of fool/idiot commits hundreds of millions of dollars without license and approval to operate?

Now the project is a big ass white elephant losing millions of dollars day

The passengerless monorail alone cost 36 million dollars. What about urban monorail transportation to transport people from point A to  B? That's how you help and touch people's lives, not some of no use to people waste and thoughtless project.

You don't have all the necessary infrastructures needed to back up big projects like Tinapa. You don't have good roads to move people in from other states, air transportation is too expensive and out of reach for almost 90% of Nigerians and you don't have well equipped hospitals to handle emergencies.

Casinos in America and other places are thriving because their customers have good roads to transport them in from hundreds/thousands miles and states away.

The so called potential costumers are not moving in for a variety of reasons starting from high cost of doing business in Nigeria especially when others are relocating outside Nigeria. Running a business on diesel 24/7 is straight mindless and unsustainable.


Yes, we have a messed up and incompetent federal system but must we blame them for other people's stupid mistakes and lousy planning? The federal government didn't force you to spend or waste your money on Tinapa  without securing the necessary paperwork to operate.

People sneeze and blame the feds, people cough and blame the feds, people shit for pants and blame the feds, people steal money inside delta and they point fingers at the feds. when are we going to start blaming ourselves for our own shortcomings? this blame government for everything syndrome is getting out of hand. 

It's like a sin to blame and demand representation from your elected leaders at the federal level, it's their job to lobby the feds and bring home the bacon,  too bad they've mastered the art of bait and switch and succeeded in fooling their people that the federal government is responsible for every damn thin, they don't have to do any damn thing but collect fat paychecks, ride in fancy cars, build homes in all corners of the world and spend the people's money recklessly.

Other people bleeped up, not the feds. Good or bad, there are trade laws that must be enforced on the books and it's the responsibility of the state leaders to lobby the feds for adjustments before committing a dime of the state's resources.


Now they're talking about six flags. isn't six flags bankrupt? their stock is worth less than 20 cents.where will the loan/money come from? I'm sure no bank is gonna loan a bankrupt company hundreds of millions of dollars to invest in a challenging business climate like Nigeria. I'm sure they're counting on the state to front the loan via our clueless banks or misappropriate the treasury as usual. 


It's ok to feel and exude pride when we see fancy things in our neighborhoods, but  at what price when you still can't drink your typhoid water, your kids are still receiving lectures in sub standard and ill equipped sheds/classrooms, when people are losing their lives on deadly roads, when people are dying because of non existing medical facilities?


Same way they Ignored the lessons of Tinapa and came up with another scheme like six flags, they'll continue to ignore the people's needs and well being and keep coming up with wasteful and misguided showmanship projects while the people continue to suffer needlessly.


It's easy for these guys to come up with these mindless projects because the governors are clueless, they and their families are not going through what the average man is going trough. They drink good water, their kids are in the best schools in europe and america, their families have access to private jets to fly them to their choice of 1st class hospitals in europe and america and they don't have to travel on the deadly roads.

Your day to day concern is non of their business.

Why do we glorify waste and misguided projects and complain bitterly about lack of common human basic needs?


You can not have it both ways,

babapupa:
Abeg free the man, he has every right to spew his views and opinion just like you 2.


The Tinapa is of zero use to nobody, it's not touching the lives of the average folks in the state. The place is losing milions a day with no end in sight.

I don't have to tell you how many schools, roads, bridges, hospitals, water treatment plants and other infrastructure the money could have been spent on instead of some thoughtless, misguided,  badly planed  and unnecessary egotistical showmanship bondongle and disaster.



What can be improved to serve the people really? Will Tinapa provided disease free portable water for people to drink, will Tinapa provide good schools for the kids? will Tinapa provided good roads instead of death traps? will Tinapa provide good and well equipped hospitals and clinics?

Of course not.


You can't fly rockets to the moon without good launch pads. Invest in your people and infrastructures before dabbling into fancy money pits.

donclemo:
Guy e b like say na u dem send go lagos go buy the motor