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Pastor E A ADEBOYE
Pastor D K Olukoya
Bishop Oyedepo.

Seun it's a shame to see this post still going live and kicking, honestly it's a shame and it means i can trust you enough to discipling my young nephew who is now 7 years old.

olabowale:
Olaadegbu can you tell me what happened to the manuscripts from which the first Bible was developed from? Are the manuscript still inexistence, or they were already lost, by burning, or by other means? What will be the purpose(s) of the many bits and pieces of the manuscripts after the Bible was "cananized?"

Now let me bring it to the more recent times; say the "council of Nicea." What happened to the pieces of notes on the verses that the eminent members took, individualy before they collectively agreed to put the "Bible" together for the world to read?

I wanted to say that Odunjo of Okelangbodo fame must have written the novel on paper, before it was printed. I am sure that he gave parts of the story for editing to other yoruba linguists. What happened to the bit that he gave to Fagunwa, for example, especially after the novel was a masterpiece within the yoruba readers?

You see why the pieces of "Quran were collected" and none was not left in circulation, after the time of Uthani Mushafs or even before at the time of Abu Bakr, considering that all parts of the Quran were in memory, in many degrees by the muslims, in the lifetime of the Messenger/Prophet (AS)?


Finally, the "arab" who is now analysis the Quran and telling you in his claim that the it is not authentic, please ask him, did he not get educated in the linquistic arabic by the Quranic arabic? Is it possible that a yoruba linquist educated from the premier Nigerian University, UI in Ibadan, the seat of yoruba language, to suddenly come up with a possible hypothesis that the Yoruba Language he got his education from, recognised by all Yoruba linguaists and speakers alike as the purest of yoruba, is now deficient? If you say that Lagos yoruba is deficient, I can agree with you because of the "mi gbo" but if you say Oyo's yoruba or ibadan's yruba is deficient, then the whoe of yoruba people will have to ask you, where did you aget a better yoruba from (brazil?) and how did you come out with (read Panamanian magazines on yoruba language?)?


Orishi po lowo eyin omo england yi!

not in line with the post, misguided, insatiable and fabricated all through.

The Trinidad and tobago lady is suffering from the understanding of biblical grammer and it's a shame they have no national dialect for her to adequately grasp the full theology of the biblical phrases so i dont really blame her.

And should in case she's looking back to the atrocities she's done, hence i advise her not look but humbly admit and confess her self destruction so that she could be forgiven.

Listen it is completely absurd and unprofessional of you to have removed my post (Abuzola Alzakawi, this 4 u)[b][/b] on this forum, it is highly irresponsible of you. Should in case you dont understand the simple basis of being a moderator i  employ you seek a training or elevate your intellect in order to attain such level of professionalism.

As a matter of fact your action depict a typical lifestyle of an intensive, forcible indoctrinated islamic militant who can't just bare the real truth about their religion.

Seun i advise you gather up some sensible and up to task human being who can be availed as a sensible moderator of this  Great Nairaland.

Thanks.

muhsin:
Although you are the author of the OP, I would like to re-direct you not to derail it. Simply answer the question I posed to you; nothing more nothing less.

And if thats what you wanna discuss, open a fresh thread. Will engage you there. Understand? Thanks

never seen such a pathetic coward who can not stand on his feet to confront a simple qestion but rather look for ways to dodge it. You are very funny and i pity you.

muhsin:
Hahaha. Lets re-take something here, dude.

Just tell me the history of Muslims' first ever fight with non-Muslims, i.e. Badar War.

Thanks

what has your baseless and stupid fighting with non believers after the 17th of ramadan or your fight with the non muslim Turkish got to do with this thread, well the reason is you have no clue again.

Truthonly:
According to the Bible, 'Saints' are living men and women in the earth. But we have in time past been made to believe sainthood is only attained after a christian is dead.

Did you pass through school or you haven't ate your breakfast/ Lunch

muhsin:
Hahaha. Lets re-take something here, dude.

Just tell me the history of Muslims' first ever fight with non-Muslims, i.e. Badar War.

Waiting. . .Thanks

Thanks

(1) Countless war on christians in Northern Nigeria, E.G Religious fight in Kano, started by muslims ended by Nigerian government. Another one is the Jos Plateau muslim war on Christians.

(2) Hizbola war on the Isrealies
(3) 6 killed in Pakistan as Muslims burn Christian homesStory Highlights
Fighting broke out as Muslims torched 40 to 50 houses in Christian enclave

Muslims enraged over an alleged desecration of Quran at a Christian wedding

Muslims burned 15 Christian homes on Thursday

Pakistan predominantly Muslim, but has a small Christian community (CNN /asia ) AND IT GOES ON.

OLAADEGBU:
@skyone,

You really cornered Abu with those verses. His only lame excuse is that they have been abrogated. Watch the video clip below and see how the words of their Qur'an has evolved from the time it was first written to the one they are now cramming.

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OLAADEGBU YOU ARE VERY INTELLECTUAL, i've been reading your post and i respect them.

fellis:
^Also go and wonder about John 5:30.
Skyone, why do you ask Abuzola why the verses were abgrogated? Please stop it.
What about the laws in the Bible in Deuteronomy, leviticus, corinthians etc? Why do you christians no longer follow them? Why not keep sacrificing animals for the atonement of your sins? Why is Jesus' death supposed to have changed all that?

John 5:30
30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me,
and in case you can't comprehend it, John said he cannot do anything unless the HolySpirit is present and everything depends on God who sent him, simples

Since abrogation means abolished, therefore the laws in the old testament were not abolished but improved upon by Jesus Christ. The laws are still right there in the bible and when the Saviour came to the world He came on the exercise of GRACE and by his Grace and through His shedding of His Blood we need not have to give any sacrifcial offering that includes the spillage of blood.

Jesus came to improve on the laws not totally eradicate it i.e Adultery, fornication are sins and in those days you have to give sacfrice before your sin is forgiven but since the Grace of Our Lord Jesus Chrsit has abound all we need to do is to pray to God through the blood of Jesus Christ and our sins are forgiven.

But why are you all avoiding sura 19:70-71 and i need the proof that it has been completely abolished.

olabowale:
birthdays are not events to be celebrated. Celebrate major achievements like when he/she says Laa ilaha ilallahu Muhammadanr Rasulullah (AS), etc, etc!

Pathetic and very sad to hear a grown man think this way

Abuzola:
Must you twist your own lies in the OT to agree with u. What a shameless dude

Abuzola Alzakawi

Pls i beg you stop fooling around on this forum, i know you've just finish eating your sari but hey keep it on the down low remember you're not having lunch so relax.

OLAADEGBU has just lectured you on this topic yet you are still getting aloof what's up with you man

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=316012.msg4437248#msg4437248 date=1251424665]Abuzola says true Muslims don't celebrate their birthdays and that of their prophet yet Muslims all over the world celebrate the birthday of their prophet Mohammed.
It's even a public holiday in Nigeria (because of the Muslims there) and in most Muslim countries known as Eidl Mulud (sp)
so are Nigerian Muslims and those who do this infidel Muslims and heretics ?

abuzola says

What is the opinion of other Muslims on this forum?[/quote]my advise to you is dont believe anything Abuzola Alzakawi says when it come to religion, he's looking forward to hell fire, beware.

mikkynwa:
folks, i dont have NTA @ my house here in houston, can some one please tell me where to go on line 4 a pay per view, because i wont forgive my self if i miss Naija vs Tunisia match on september,

Try AIT.int, Eurosport or beg some stations.

Honestly let's not be too arogant of ourselves, the fact is we will need Martins and those Everton guys if not forget it.

Also no Sani keita or Taiye the fine boy then we must be joking.

Kai opeke i say to you, you spoken to me what a concosion of mama put, oprekete obrekete that is to say shayo for titi lai lai and for beyond; okay solidarity don turupopo for ABJ, haa may the days of obj fokasibe like aso rock, oya obiri popo di po o he ha he ( I TRY). GOOD OLD DAYS)

Greatest of the greatest of the greatest IFE

4m at ikorodu

ole ni e

orisebawo:
I believe Allah is just the arabic translation of God, i came to this conclusion after watching a number of preachings on the Arabic service of God channel (Chriatian channel) and the amount of times Allah is mentioned is uncountable,which can only mean the preacher was refering to God.

No you are wrong, the word of God never change and can not be altered or abolished. Unlike the sura many have been abrogated i.e Abuzola Alzakawi claimed sura 19:70 - 71 has been abolished already.

Therefore their allah is not ALMIGHTY GOD.

Abuzola:
Did you read the abrogation verse at all ?

I think you need to eat your sari, it looks you are getting to stage 4

Abuzola:
I am fasting, i am fasting, if not your god would have hear filthy fithy in his ears, men killed your god, and men slapped your god mathew 26:67 . so am capable of doing worst to your god !



'Whatever verse do God abrogate or cause to be forgotten, God bring a better one or similar to it, Don't you know that God is able to do All things ?' Quran 2:106

so keeping awake in order to eat your pounded yam for sari and eat jollof rice when it's 7pm lol i dont blame you jare,

honestly i am speechless from what i've read so far, i just cant believe my eyes, it's a big wonder to see a grown man being fooled this way, wao i shake my head.

Anyway it's your life greet them in hell fire when get there.

Abuzola:
Write the surah in context, am not a genius.

For your information those surah you mentioned were abrogated, don't you have sense or is it abrogation you don't know, which one, abegi which one ? Lol , don't make me laugh at your circumabulating

Honestly you are a slowpoke and i seriously pity you; tell me why the need abolishing the words of your allah you believe in, doesn't that sound so cynical and why do you believe the latest one that is now being fabricated by an unknown, pathetic slowpoke of person that is no where to be found.

You need help and you really need help, 'oh well at least it is confirmend that you are definitely going to hell fire moo.

huxley:
Some theists have argued that this universe MUST have been created, especially since it is generally accepted that this present form of the universe came into existence about 14 billion years ago. If atheists are to grant that this universe was in fact created by a being, whatever that being may be, is there any link or correspondence between this being and the Abrahamic god of the bible, koran or torah?

The theist who pursue this line of reasoning relies on scientific data to buttress his/her "first cause argument". Could they similarly rely on science to make a link between the being who, in their view, created the universe and the Abrahamic god? If they could, we would like to see them do that here!

what next are you evolving into cat or gozilla plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz open up brain

Abuzola:
Who are you thanking mama gee ?

exactly

Abuzola:
Don't you know the meaning of abrogation ? I have cleared everything.

Muslim do not fight for God but we fight when we are oppress

why are you so deluded, why was it implied or stated in the first place, so which one are you to believe the first or the last; plz listen and wake up, you are being lied to and it's a big pity. Why must the sura altered in the first place?

AND PLZ explain to me with your understanding the following verse:

Sura 19:70 -71
Sura 9:5

Plz expalin this time or are you intending to change it.

Abuzola:
Am not zarkawi, you hear ?

Those verses were revealed after years of perseverance and endurance by the muslim, they suffered all kind of atrocities, from embargo to murder, the muslim did not retaliate, waiting for revealation to be sent if God will destroy them or make use of the muslim to destroy them, upon that, the verses were revealed.

How do mean? persevarence,  endurance etc Listen from time immomerial the muslims were the ones declaring Jihadi war on infedels and tormenting others of their believes.  Again, are you telling me allah words can be meddled with or are you telling me he was a liar from the begining OR whose words are surat.

Abuzola:
Later on it was abrogated with

'fight in the Way of God those who fight you' Quran 2:190
this shows that muslim do not look for trouble, they fight when you fight them'.

Common this a joke ini, for goodnes sake you cant fight for God get it clear, by the way you haven't addressed the verses clearly particularly sura 19:70-71

Joke apart and this is a true story,

Never, never and never will i fly bellview in this very one life i'm into, haa never again.

About 18 months ago i needed to fly to Lagos fast in order to check how well my project was going. Luckily i happened to get a bargain with Bellview for £385 instead of BA which was for £503 at the time. To cut story short, at take off and i mean take off not middle of the journey the plane shook drastically, immediately i lost control of myself in fact about 4 ladies passed out for some minutes.

Now at the middle of the whole journey, i dont even know wether it was turbulence or the plain couldn't just get its balance i lost control again because it was worst than ealier and finally on landing at muri it was beyond explanation i just have to thank God.  

All GLORY BE TO GOD for safe journey and had to come to London by KLM.

face969:
Yes he was muslim at the time of his death, read :

http://corporatengdirect.com/mj.html

moo

Pls kindly explain this verses;



9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Why the killing?

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

why the fight?

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. 
9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! 

But congratulation on this one

19:70 And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.   
19:71 There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.

plz how much with full details

Ogaga4Luv:
You dont believe in Jesus. . "God"?,Okey dont worry my dear' You're not alone!   I am with you.,For we are many and ruling the world.

now i see that you must be some sort of a deluded freak who is either  totally confused or  nearly out of a normal human touch.

@Abuzola alzakawi
yet again this is not sura and if you need clear understanding of that verse i'm open to lecture you, so for now keeping looking forward to your confirmed hell fire by your god allah.

MrCrackles:
If indeed he is guilty, seeking refuge in the vast grounds of Daddy GOGO's camp or anywhere else in the world wont save his ass

well you may be right

Beaf:
Fail!

The first state deposit bank, Banco di San Giorgio (Bank of St. George), was founded in 1407 at Genoa, Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank

There have been several serious malpractices in UK banking, they are just so much better handled. . . And the US is not in the UK

Pls back up with solid ref.

Seun:
Countries like the US and UK used to be like this hundreds of years ago. We have much to learn.

fa fa fa foul absolutely not, banking industry started in the 17th century in United Kingdom at Threadneedle street and from history there hasn't been any such malpractices in the UK financial system except of recent in US where executive director of Lehman Brothers was probed for negligence of his office and extensive bonus.

Erastus is big crook God know where he is now i hope is not in redeem camp.