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olabowale:
and after its all said and done, Skyone refused the challenge!

i'll take it that you are rightly caught and have no escaping route

i like your style anyway

Boko Haram have the mind of exercising any evil even during the month of ramadan in which i happened to understand from ABUZOLA ALZAKAWI that the devil is chained during this period, pathetic ini.

Anyway NL needs just a source of your info, hence' i think it needs questioning.

Pataki:
Another misplaced priority in the shooting. What a country!

exactly

Mr Pataki long time how Holland?

olabowale:
You believed wrongly, man. Just like your belief in 3 Gods, and you think they are 1 God!

I caught you again huh

Do you want to start a debate on the HOLY TRINITY= ALMIGHTY GOD.?

dean2725:
That dude must be on drug . Am sure he wont know his name if you ask him right now.

Name is an understatement.

fellis:
@Abuzola. Keep asking him where he learnt 24hr fasting from in the Bible from now till tomorrow, and he will never provide an answer.
Leave him. He has lost this argument that is why he has now taken to insults.

Fellis the menace, i'm not mad at ya

Exodus 34:28
Moses remained there on the mountain with the Lord forty days and forty nights. In all that time he ate no bread and drank no water. And the Lord wrote the terms of the covenant—the Ten Commandments —on the stone

2 Samuel 12:16-17
David begged God to spare the child. He went without food and lay all night on the bare ground. 17 The elders of his household pleaded with him to get up and eat with them, but he refused

Daniel 9:3
So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and fasting. I also wore rough burlap and sprinkled myself with ashes

Matthew 6:16
And when you fast, don’t make it obvious, as the hypocrites do, for they try to look miserable and disheveled so people will admire them for their fasting. I tell you the truth, that is the only reward they will ever get.

Acts 13:3So after more fasting and prayer, the men laid their hands on them and sent them on their way. (NLT)

Acts 14:23
Paul and Barnabas also appointed elders in every church. With prayer and fasting, they turned the elders over to the care of the Lord, in whom they had put their trust. (NLT)

You see the thing is, i wanted clear and reasonable answer to why the muslims skip lunch and still call it fasting that's all but non of them, 'oh probably including you could give me credible answer.

Why?

Abuzola:
If muslim were ordered to fast that way then who instructed the christian to starve for 24hrs ? Jesus or paul, where is your source ? What a deluded fella, do you think abstaining from food and drink up to 13 hours is child's play ? What a dumb.

Sometime you will make a little bit of sense and sometimes you will sounds like Aremugangan why; anyway let me brush you up again at least you've eatin your full course meal.

Again the Christians are not literally compelled to fast (no be by force) but it is adviseable to do so and mainly to attain the goodness, favour and mercy of Almighty God. Also to elevate your spirit in holiness from the works of the flesh (galatians 5:19 - 20). Therefore you can fast (eating or drinking nothing btw 00:00 and 3pm and so on) at your own convenience even everyday of the year if you can.  The lent period is just a Christianic practise and honor to the King of kings.

oh what a shame on you, so after eating breakfast and dinner you still complained na waa o

Aremugangan:
Sincerely, i must confess at a point, i almost thought it was abuzola that was parading NL with the id "skyone" just to reveal the ignorance of the christians thereby asking questions that publicizes their stupidity and tackling them heavily but time made me realize its actually a christian that is displaying his ignorance.
@skyone, please read the posts from the beginning of this thread till this present post, how many reasonible contributions have you had from christians? Is it because they have nothng to contribute or because you categorically dedicated the topic to some subjects?
Beyound reasonable doubts, without mixing words, by Allah, on whose hand lies my life, Islam is by far a religion above all innovtions/inventions.
Please, at this juncture, i will advise you take your time to think of how to bring the best out of yourself rather than opening your mouth and saying nothing. Infact, i'm beginning to see that the only time you make sense most is when you are silent.

so ri iwo'n tie, be re' lowo olorun fun ogbon, imo ati oye, honestly i really dont have answers for you. Even Alzakawi and Olabowale will be praying by now in order to mute your mouth, you are really disgrasing them. You really need to know when to stop being more and more foolish and i employ you take note on that.

So go have a cup of tea and go to bed, i dont think the night temperature is in line with your thinking. Take care and may your allah help you.

Abuzola:
Let me clear you of your ignorance:

Fasting month is referred to as Ramadan, in twelve month ramadan stand to be the holy month, in that month God shows great mercy, pity and He forgives tremendously, in the month of ramadan the devils are chained, blessing increases etc

Absolute stupidity: so what happened to the months where the devil is not chained, oh that's when the muslims are allowed to wrap bombs around their waste in order to commit mass killings, ha o ma se o i pity you.

Abuzola:
The sun had never rise at 7 pm talk of 8, tell that to the kids. The sun rise between 5:20 to 5:30, so mind yourself and don't talk to us like kid

What do you really know about world chronology, i think you need to be released from Kano city and visit Essex during November not talk of the Northpole

ramadan = festive period that's it.

olabowale:
Sunsetting is the beginning of your visual darkness for night.

Dawn is when night is beginning to disappear giving way to the coming day, which its light is starting to come from above the darkness of the dying night! Sunrise, is sometimes after dawn.

And as to the North Pole, bear in mind and dont let your mind be bare, that Ramadhan does not come at a specific time in the Gregorian calender! Every year it comes down between 11 to 14 days, until sometimes the people who live in the almost on ending light in Summer will enjoy almost unending darkness, when Ramadhan falls in the winter months. What marks the beginning of fast is the dawn and what ends it is the sunset!


The rest is gravy, man! You live in England, your country people who are muslims must be fasting longer than us in the US. And weare fasting longer than the people in Nigeria. Why? It is still summer months, and we live in more northernly lands than those closer to the Equator, where in Winter and Summer the length of day is not changing significantly.


I ask you that you take up the challenge, just to proof Islam wrong, you have been quite about it. I am going to assume that you cant do it, because the truth will bite you hard.

I'm begining to see that when some people grow older they become even more foolish and a good example is yourself, alzakawi and the little baby Aremugangan and it's very sad.

Your unreasonable facts about chronology in relation to your so called islam is absolutely horrendous and as a matter of fact it even gives me more understanding of how your religion is completey and utterly deceiving.  If sun rise and sun set warrants you deluded people to wake up routinely to eat and then skip lunch and call that fasting is a mere factual disgrace to your religion. And again i'll rest my case, cos i have come to realised that the convenant set with the devil will need to be broken first before you can see the light. Take care

You are truly the problem of your marriage,

As long as she's not a witch, she's good looking to some degree, she's cultured, honest, eduacted, and loves you, then you have a very big problem. And the problem is, ' you want to live a fake life, flirt around with other girls and do away with responsibilities.

Grow up and start looking forward to the great rewards this marriage will bring forth.

Abuzola:
Fasting is the abstainance of food, sexual relation, Quarrel, backbite, stealing and all kind of evil action. Fasting makes you experience the famished of the destitute- with that you will feel what they are going through and cater for them. A period for devils to be chained, paradise opened. The good deeds are manifolded, a period of total forgiveness, mercy and pity. A day better than thousand nights of other months,

Fully agreed but what about other days that you dont have to fast, dont you think you have to keep your self holy as well and dont you think the devil need to be chained at all times, dont you think we should always forgive at all times, common i suppose you know better with your level of intellect.

Abuzola:
Any muslim who deliberately consume anything between sunrise and sunset has indeed nullify his fast. If christian fast from 00:00 to 24 hrs is not an event to be celebrated, who ask them to starve for that hours ? Jesus never did and skyone testify to it. A word is enough for the wise

So if the sun remain set from  4pm until 8am in the morning for example in the northpole where the sun rarely rise and where the region remains clouded between the hour of 4pm and 8am what will say to that[i][/i]. You mean in those places they are allowed to eat as much as they like until the sun starts risen btw 8am and 8:30am and then eat as much as they like between 4pm and 8am, isn't this amazing and deluded

Gushhh, pls,pls,pls i employ you to think deeply and know where you are heading to in life (oh sorry mohamad already said you are all heading to hell anyway). Open your eyes very well so that you dont make mistakes goodluck to you and see you on other treads.

olabowale:
@Skyone: « #833 on: Yesterday at 07:49:24 PM » Wats the national language of UK where Essex is located? English!

Whats the national language of Trinidad and Tobago? English.

Ogbeni Skyone, oro enu e ti le ju. To Trini- girl, english is the mother tongue, just like yoruba is my mother tongue, just like english is the mother tongue of Prince Harry.

Now take that as a way forward, as you soften your vise grip on her or anyone this blowing-by stoppage you are making, on nairaland, this time around!

No i believe it's either a broken english or the famous patwa in the Caribean island therefore she may have problem with sophisticated composed english grammer perhaps sophisticated for her level.

E so ooto oro ni pa post yii and i'm sure you know the truth or what does the quran have to say about it.

Aremugangan:
@skyone, i concur with your quotations. I should believe Jesus fasted forty days and forty nights without taking anything inbetween it (i stand to be corrected).
Since he said you should do all these things he did if you believe in him, isn't it logical that you also go on a forty days and forty nights length without taking anything inbetween it
"or even greater" maybe you should increase your length maybe 60, 80 or even 100. (i believe some men of God have been doing greater by healing multiples of the sick, the disables and the rest, let them or all the christians just fast this number of days as well and we'l take another census after the completion of your length).

At least your quran acknowledge these signs and wonders your brain can't comprehend so who's a mad goat

fellis:
@skyone,
why did you quote a verse from the old testament (Exodus 34:28) to justify what you do as a christian? Are you a jew? Aren't christians suppossed to have left the jewish practises? And as for the verse you quoted regarding Jesus Christ fasting for forty days and forty nights, you failed to mention where Jesus said you should fast any other type of fast apart from the forty days and forty nights fast, and in that verse you quoted (John 14:12), he is recorded as saying that if you believe in him, you would DO THE THINGS HE DID, and even greater, therefore if you want to fast, do it the way Jesus was recorded in your Bible to have done i.e for forty days and forty nights (or greater). . . . . . .and also do the other things your Bible said Jesus did, like heal the sick, re-attach amputated body parts with your bare hands and finally, raise the dead.
By the way, how human beings are expected to do things greater than the things God does is beyond me.

Fellis i see from your biblical understanding that you will need at least a week to be educated on the blunder you have poured out from your brain in order to grasp the whole reasons behind Jesus Christ and christianity as a whole therefore i will leave you in despair, sorry .

Abuzola:
Interesting ! Now you agree that no verse in the bible enjoin you to fast, right ?

Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, is this the type of fasting christian observe ? The answer is No, so where did you folks get your info to fast at 00:00 and break by 3 or whatever. Am kindly waiting, and if you can't support your answer with the bible then i laugh at you even though i know you can't find it

I have so much gathered that you lack absolute biblical understanding and it's not a surprise at all but what baffles me is your undefined stupidity in order to see that fasting as explained to you is not a mandaotory doctrine but acceptable and well acknowledged at the presence of ALMIGHTY GOD. Therefore christians all over the world are encouraged to fast just as Jesus Christ and other men of God as exercised.

In contrast to Islam you are deceived and indoctrinated foolishly by being compelled to wake up routinely at 5am
in the morning to eat a full course meal called SARI and then skip the lunch in order to break with another full course meal; now tell me, ' isn't this foolishness of the first order. I personally dont eat breakfast during the week
and in many occassion skip lunch and even eat a very light food for dinner, tell me what will you call that "super ramadan" .

When i fast i fast in full spirit and meditate upon the Lord Jesus Christ and because i dont have mediocritic nature i dont have to let everyone know i'm fasting.

Now with all humility and if truly you can defend your religion please give reasons why you only skip lunch when fasting and secondly quote some quranic verses that compelled you lots to fast. I bet you will foolishly dodge it again

Very sad

Aremugangan:
@Abuzola. Assalam Alaykum Ya Akhi. As a person once urged me on NL, pls, lets refrain from using abusive words. A mad man we all know will never admit he's mad. Who's the mad man among us now? Allahu Allam.
@skyone, you have a very nice question there, at least curiosity will make anybody ask such as well.But one thing i enjoin people when it comes to comparative religion is that we should atleast have prior knowledge about both books and allow the books to speak. Don't be sentimental.
Better if you could study the Qur'an a bit. You have all the answers to your questions there. Imagine if you hadn't posted the recent quotations, one who has no knowledge about the bible wouldn't have known them.
My (dear)friend, i guess what the above quotations buttresses is the call of some deprived souls. I guess what my brother (Abuzola) needs is a place where the bible will say "fasting or length has been prescribed for you, so, observe it" or the likes. Please lets educate ourselves rather than raining insults. Rply pls

I honestly like your post and surely it's well taken. (A MAD MAN NEVER HAS NO ANSWER TO SIMPLE QUESTION)

Like i said the reason why i posted those verses (though i must admit some are not in line and that's my mistake) was to let alzakawi know the basis of fasting and what fasting in the spirit can result to but during the time
i got caught up with other things at home and probably posted some verses that does not work along with the initail post. However i hope to some degree and if you are not toiling around to dodge the question i believe those other verses i posted should now give a deeper insight why christian fast.

Now as a respectful man kindly answer my question thanks.

Abuzola:
First and foremost, you narrated the story of people who fasted and not commandment or order, thats bullshit. I again repeat : Show me where christian are prescribed to fast annually or biennial.

Secondlly, you did not quote the timing of starting and breaking of fast. What a missing trend. Lol. What a Deluded fella.

Abuzola Alzakawi my very good on NL,

Yes, there may not be direct forcible doctrine about fasting in the bible but it is in the practise of the body of Christ (the church)

to fast since Jesus Christ himself fasted for 40days and forty nights before he was crucified and rose the third day (i believe you

about it in your quran) and he also said in John 14:12 >>Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the

works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father,

therefore the Church (Body of chrsit) has set apart a period to fast in order to keep the practise going but remember we are not compelled to fast.

Now apart from the lent, christian can fast anyday of the year and that depends solely on you. And fasting it's recongnised in christianity when you have decided to deny your flesh from eating from 00:00 until 3pm- daily, 6pm-daily, and so it goes on.


Now i believe all you needed to know about fasting in christianity has been answered and if truly you a man of dignity i now expect you to anwer my question if not because of me at least because of your ignorant fellow muslim  and others who wish to know WHY MUSLIMS EAT TWO SQUARE MEAL A DAY AND THEN CALL IT FASTING.

Plz answer the question once and for all it wil do you and i good; you dont need run helter skelter or dodge the question, pls kindly answer it and may your allah bless you. So go on and answer it.

Ogaga4Luv:
Err. .

You're wrong ^{maykelly. . .} , im not Lost forever my dear,i just guest you are refferring to the opposite,i was lost,but now that i have been found,iw never go astray again ,though many said i have changed but i think now i find my (((true self))).

Ave Satana!!-sincerely(Ogaga Onowighose)

Even cows knows why they are here on earth, you must be a complete jobless man.

igbalajobi:
@ Abuzola, Olabowale & Aremugangan,
How do you expect the guy to provide answers to Abuzola's quetions when he's already taken the next available flight to sky since he's the skyone?

Remember ALLAH had said in the Holy Quran that "Whoever Allah guides none can send astray, and whoever Allah sends astray, none can guide"

But let's continue to preach the truth may be ALLAH will have mercy on them and guide them to the right path.

Jazakumullah Khairan

Fool, answer to what question, "fatsin" or abuzola alzakwi's incompatible question that has no basis pls tell me.

Just in case you passed through school and partially educated those bible verses were given to alazakawi in oder for him to read and have foundational knowledge for the reason of fasting before posting the real bible verse. Anyway, now read this including alzakawi, olabowale, alimatudini and yourself.

Exodus 34:28
Moses remained there on the mountain with the Lord forty days and forty nights. In all that time he ate no bread and drank no water. And the Lord wrote the terms of the covenant—the Ten Commandments —on the stone

2 Samuel 12:16-17
David begged God to spare the child. He went without food and lay all night on the bare ground. 17 The elders of his household pleaded with him to get up and eat with them, but he refused

Daniel 9:3
So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and fasting. I also wore rough burlap and sprinkled myself with ashes

Matthew 6:16
And when you fast, don’t make it obvious, as the hypocrites do, for they try to look miserable and disheveled so people will admire them for their fasting. I tell you the truth, that is the only reward they will ever get.

Acts 13:3[/b]So after more fasting and prayer, the men laid their hands on them and sent them on their way. (NLT)

[b]Acts 14:23
Paul and Barnabas also appointed elders in every church. With prayer and fasting, they turned the elders over to the care of the Lord, in whom they had put their trust. (NLT)

To Olabowale you are just a funny grown man with very funny ideas runnig through your brain and i'm baffled. Can honestly call your ramadan fasting' please be honest with yourself.

To Alimatudini, i came up with the post because it's a complete joke and very misleading to call your ramadan a lenthen period while you eat two full square meal a day. It's a shame and you should wake up from your sleeping, weeping brains. And to enlighten your cow brain, christian fast tyogether and it starts just after a day called "ASH Wednesday" and ended on palm sunday, so get it

Now back to my question and i need brave and sensible person to enlighten me.

skyone:
[center]Pls honestly answer my question[/center]

Would you call the "ramadan" an acceptable "fast" or just a mere period of lunch strike in order to ration food to the hungary muslims around the world.

In Christianity fasting is accepted when at 00:00 nothing is ate or drank until 3pm, 6pm and it goes on until you wish to break.

So please explain to me why you mediocrats decided to wake up at 5am in the morning to eat 3 course meal, miss the lunch and then at 7pm eat the complete course meal and still call it fast.

Madness ini

@ cramsvill

of course i know he's so rubbish that he's lost he's senses

Dont you know ramadan is a feast period and fasting period

Nairaland plz give your opinion.

luvola and skyone same person

Now i know you are running speedily mad.

you are exactly what i called you period


OK since your brain can not grasp what the bible say now kindly and delegently explain why you eat two solid full course meal during ramadan. simples

Still waiting

[center]Pls honestly answer my question[/center]

Would you call the "ramadan" an acceptable "fast" or just a mere period of lunch strike in order to ration food to the hungary muslims around the world.

In Christianity fasting is accepted when at 00:00 nothing is eaten or drunk until 3pm, 6pm and it goes on until you wish to break.

So please explain to me why you mediocrats decided to wake up at 5am in the morning to eat 3 course meal, miss the lunch and then at 7pm  eat the complete course meal and still call it fast.

Madness ini

Abuzola:
Luvola, what have i done to you ?

i advsie you go check if you are really still normal.

olabowale:
@thread starter; it is islam. proof, lets concentrate on the so called monotheistic religions for a moment; judaism, christianity and islam. while muhammad (AS) did not start islam, but was completed on him, jesus did not start christianity and will not participate in it if he were on earth now, o when he will return. moses did not start judaism and will not participate in if if he were to be on earth right now and in the day of judgement shall not accept the present religious jews as his nation members.

the religion practised by ibrahim dubbed father of faith, should be the religion that you are looking for. that same religion should not be different from what noah and those who escaped drowning in th flood, what enoch and those who worshipped with him, and what the first man adam and his wife practised along with abel, the reason of his goodliness which prompted cain his jealouse brother to kill him!

now think about the religion that is the religion of these noble people. for sure it is not christianity. thats easy to see. now lets argue about whether this is judaism or islam. as i have said about moses, the one who received torah, neither did he practise judaism, nor practised what the children of israel, the people now called jews practise. look at their religion and process of worship and tell me what moses did among them. if you look at the bible, there is the arc of the covenant, and the tabernacle, etc. shw me one single place in their places of worship that has any?


but could moses have had any religion different from what ibrahim had? not possible, because it mean that One God changes the way for mankind, not one true way, but more than one true ways! that will be impossible to swallow. so if we take it that ibrahim left his country because of idolatry is unacceptable to im, then we have to know that idolatry is not just having symbolic physical representative, of only innanimate objects, but living things and beings, including angels in heaves, or jinns in some other spheres, or prophets or messengers indeed anything other than the One true God, indivisible Entity and Unique in all ways!

this argument lead us to believe that all prophets and messengers of God, from Adam all the way to muhammad (AS) have the same religion of the form that fits their time, before the succeeding prophet comes to build up on it. for example, the simplestform of this religion therefore, evn in its most basic form must have a threadcommon in it with it most complex and complete form. tht thread is therefore the belief that God is a single unit one, indivisible and nothing should be worshipped along with Him to be in that line of belief/faith. the leader of that community of believer should be the messenger and or prophet (a reformer) in his time. the jews have bastardize the monotheistic religion that they got from moses by changing it to what they want, adopting their rabbis as gods because they accept their ways while rejecting what the true messenger/prophet left or commanded. therefore they are pagans or disbelievers by this, and it is compunded by their rejection of other messengers/prophets, even the one that came from their bloodlines. they rejected jesus as a very glearing example.

the christians did just exactly, following in their footstep by being zealots and exagerated the role of a noble sole for whatever reason from messenger/prophet to God Almight Himself, slicing and dicing God to include an Angel; Gabreil! we see how the gospel a single revelation has four different recognized versions, and with the additions of post jesus writings as the christian bible!


now lets talk about islam and see if it qualifies. while the jewish got its name from judah a tribe from judah, a son of jacob, christianity got its name from people of antiock! neither name is from God, Whom they say they worship! Islam on the other hand is different. its definition is simply submission to the Will of God,Whom is called Allah in Arabic, and Oluwa in Yoruba and other tribes have their particular name or names for the Creator! this is the religion of adam, since God when He created him, and place his wife eve with him, he and her were told to submit as they were told to not near aparticular tree because they will be disobeying/not submitting.

when a person submit, you can not say that they are disobedient or disobeying!

Sorry all of the above has been abrogated