₦airaland Forum

Noblechykk:
Keep supporting illegality until it happens to you.

I asked a simple question: what is the illegal act and which law was broken? If you can't answer, rest.

tuzle:
read it again. This time read it slowly and don't draw conclusion only from the title.

Had me ondering if I was the only ine that read something different

DeepSight:
Per the law - that strictly is not illegal in itself. But what would be illegal is not informing him of his specific offence (and that is not simply saying "there is a petition against you" and not reading him his rights.

Yeah but that's not the subject of discussion, is it?

DeepSight:
If you listen, the policeman simply kept saying someone had written a petition against him. Is that sufficient for this unnecessary drama?

Please note something: THE FIRST THING in arresting ANYONE ANYWHERE is to INFORM him of the REASON for his arrest - e.g: "You are hereby under arrest for the offense of murder of Mr. X."

Rather what did you see here - "You are a criminal." What is that?

The next thing is to read him his rights.

Besides there is a general place for civility and ethics in executing such things. I doubt that man was about to announce a coup on air please.

The question is what is illegal about arresting someone while he or she is on air? Maybe it is not nice - maybe unprofessional, but I saw someone say it is illegal and I wondered. How?

Praxis758:
Only God know the kind of Stone Age curriculum the Nigerian Police is using in its training schools.

It is professionally, legally and morally wrong for any security agency to arrest a suspect during a live coverage of a program. They should have allowed the program to be concluded before effecting the arrest.

Our police will continue to be a disgrace and the leadership should e embarrassed for this.

That means they can burst into Arise studio and arrest Rufai Oseni for always tackling the leadership.

Which law did they break?

You went further to link it to the possibility of arresting Oseni - is Oseni a wanted person or a suspect due for arrest? Why can't you situate events in their proper context?

Efewestern:
It's always extremely difficult trying to reason with Nigerians - distinguishing yourself from me or any other blacks don't make you intelligent, smart or special. To other race, you are still an inferior black man.

Now let's address your claims. The raid you cited was during the Nuclear deal in 2017/2018 when Israel wanted US to back out of the deal and continue with the sanctions. They were trying to prove Iran wasn't to be trusted. Benjamin Netanyahu had to even give a presentation about this. Many experts even had to verify the documents as it was so controversial at the time it was out. Eventually, US confirmed that the documents had a resemblance of the one they obtained from defectors. Now, things like this are not new and can't be deemed provocative. We see this with US intelligence gathering of Russia and others. This is different from sending your troops to a country or carrying out direct attacks. The former shows the strength and sophistication of your intelligence unit and the latter is bareface provocation.

If sophisticated intelligence gathering is same as direct attacks or provocations, then we can agree that most nuclear power nations have been attacked. You arguement is flawed and makes zero sense.

You are yet to prove any direct military strike by any nation in the country. Instead, you have been beating round the bush taking about sabotage, which we all know is a common thing in the country. what is the basis of this arguement again?

I discussed about sabotage and highlighted how it has been going on for years and you can't really prove anyone was responsible because of the manner in which they were carried. Most scientists in Iran are killed either with bombs placed inside the car or in-drive shootings.

At bolded, Israel has carried out several strikes without the support of US or any nation. If Iran is weak, they will strike and damn the consequences. Some of the time, they inform the US after the strike has been carried out.


This is no necessary. You can do better.

I send you a link full if direct evidence and you're still rambling?

1. Be kind enough to share examples of when any western power has had a nuclear facility breached - for "sophisticated intelligence gathering" by a team of direct operatives of a opposing country. Lookingf forward to reading this.

2. List of direct, acknowledged Israeli hits within Iran:

Nov. 27, 2020: Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, a prominent nuclear scientist, was assassinated in a roadside attack about 40 miles east of Tehran. Western and Israeli intelligence had long suspected that Fakhrizadeh was the father of Iran’s covert nuclear weapons program. He was often compared to J. Robert Oppenheimer, the father of the American atomic bomb. He kept a low profile for most of his career. His name was not widely known even in Iran until he was sanctioned by the United Nations in 2007 and the United States in 2008.

Details on the attack varied. Iran’s defense ministry initially reported that several gunmen opened fire on Fakhrizadeh’s car, but Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, later said that “electronic equipment” triggered by remote control killed the scientist.

Iran blamed the killing on Israel. Foreign Minister Javad Zarif condemned the killing as terrorism. “This cowardice—with serious indications of Israeli role—shows desperate warmongering of perpetrators,” he tweeted. On November 30, Israeli Intelligence Minister Eli Cohen told local radio that he did not know who was behind the raid. But a senior U.S. administration official told CNN that Israel was responsible.


June 23, 2021: An Israeli quadcopter drone, launched from inside Iran, struck a facility in Karaj for manufacturing centrifuges for the nuclear program. Satellite photos showed damage to the roof and suggested that a fire had broken out. Iran later blamed Israel for the attack.

Feb. 14, 2022: Six Israeli quadcopter drones reportedly destroyed hundreds of drones at a base near Kermanshah in western Iran.The base was Iran’s primary manufacturing and storage facility for military drones. Lebanese television station Al Mayadeen, which is linked to Hezbollah and Iran, claimed that the drones were launched from Iraqi Kurdistan. Iran blamed Israel for the attack.

April 30, 2022: The Israeli press reported that Mossad agents in Iran had earlier kidnapped and interrogated Mansour Rasouli, an agent of the IRGC Qods Force. In a confession aired on Israeli television, Rasouli admitted that he had been directed by the Qods Force to assassinate an Israeli diplomat in Turkey, an American general in Germany, and a Jewish journalist in France. He was reportedly released in Iran after the interrogation. On May 8, Iran International, a London-based television station, broadcast video footage of Rasouli claiming to have been tortured into providing a false confession.


There's more. Why are you deceiving yourself??

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Your estimates seem off.

If your transport to and from work is 1,700 daily, and you use 1k to eat daily, assuming there are 22 working days in a month (which is the highest it can ever be), and you eat daily, that gives a total spend of N68,400.00. At N100k, your balance should be N31,600.00.

OP accept this job and look for another.

FeliciaOja:
This sudden rise in insecurity in Abuja looks like a planned attack to rubbish Wuke who is the FCT minister in charge of the capital!!

Looks like some high forces want to show Wike shege and show him say no be only am get power

Oga presido will be regretting why he made Wike FCT minister.
Because the way this insecurity take rise in Abuja.. it's not normal

The President does not need Wike to quell the insecurity. In fact, Wike does not control Nigerian troops or police in any way. The security of Abuja is entrusted first and foremost to the Brigade of Guards who are obviously under the command of the commander in chief - being Mr president, and then secondly, to the police.

Efewestern:
Israel flex power when they can. Look at what they are doing in Lebanon and Syria. Flying in and out and taking out targets. They don't even need to sponsor sabotage. They have the strength and mind to carry out these attacks because they know they won't be any repercussion.

Sabotage in Iran is different. It could be anyone and Israel doesn't even claim responsibilities. The people carrying out these sabotage are Iranians. No Israeli army or agent can get into Iran. Also no Israeli jet can't fly in and out of Iran. @bolded it seems you read too much comics.

Israel take most decisions without the US. They only rely on the US on Iran's case because Iran built strength over the years. If Iran was weak, Israel would have long bombed the country and there is nothing no one can do. But because Iran has the might to retaliate, they choose other means, which is sabotage and lobbying the US to impose heavier sanctions on the country.

Look at the recent blast in the country. Anyone blend with the population and plant bombs. Provocation will mean sending your soldiers to a country to carry out attacks or firing missiles or strikes to take your opponents in a country.

It's always extremely difficult trying to reason with Nigerians. You are clearly ignorant and at the same time appear to have been indoctrinated in some way so of course you will argue over things that need no debate.

This is an Iranian site where Israeli incursions into Iran have been documented over the years:

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/aug/11/timeline-israeli-attacks-iran

Excerpt:

Jan. 31, 2018: A Mossad team raided a warehouse in Tehran that housed a vast archive of Iran’s nuclear program. The agents used torches to cut through 32 safes. The team smuggled some 50,000 pages and 163 compact discs out of the country. On April 30, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu announced that Israel obtained some 100,000 “secret files that prove” Iran had earlier lied about not having a nuclear weapons program. He also alleged that Tehran worked to “expand its nuclear weapons know-how for future use” even after the 2015 nuclear accord. Netanyahu presented maps, charts, photographs, and videos with details about Project Amad to design, produce and test nuclear weapons. Western intelligence had claimed for more than a decade that Iran had a covert nuclear weapons program.

It is a known fact that Israel has directly entered Iran several times. The Iranians themselves do not make any attempt to hide this. So one really wonders where you're getting your own info.

The claim that Israel acts on its own without US oversight is also one of the most laughable things I have heard in this year - young as the year itself may be, I have little hope of hearing more obvious nonsense. Israel receives billions of dollars in US aid and relies critically, on the assurance that the US will join in any war it finds itself in. Thus, they simply cannot start a war with their biggest rival, if their biggest supporter says no.

You really need to read a lot more and have some sense too!

Efewestern:
Terrorists infiltrated US. Also, it's easy to sabotage government infrastructure. You just need to buy people. These suicide bombings or occasional explosion on Iranian facilities or internal sabotage sponsored by external parties.

Still doesn't change the fact that Israel won't dare provoke Iran. Israel doesn't need "Spies" to hit Syria. They fly in. Strike. And claim responsibility. They do that because they know there won't be any consequences and because Syria has been weakened.

Is it that you don't get my submission? Strength prevents war.

Your conclusion is right but your workings are all wrong.


You say Israel won't dare provoke Iran but i've told you that Israel has provoked Iran on nunerous occassi9ns by directly entering Iran and blowing up military facilities and assassinating top scientists and government officials. If that is not a provocation, I don't what is.

Yes terrorists infiltrated the US. And in response, the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. If Iran openly enters Israel with its own troops or direct agents, like Israel has done to them, I expect the retaliation will be much more direct.

Finally the reason Israel hasn't attacked Iran nore directly is because the US keeps restraining them which is due to concerns of and for other US partners and assets in the region such as Saudi Arabia.

Efewestern:
No one has carried out a direct strike on Iran. Not even the US with all its might. Israel might have sponsored sabotage but not direct hit.

Israel's jets will barely make it out alive if they even penetrate the Iranian airspace. If they fire missiles directly, Iran will respond immediately with more even more damaging response.

There's a reason Israel wants US to hit Iran, but the price will be too much. Sanctions was then used in place of that. What will the US tell its citizens as to why they should sacrifice thousands of their young souls in an endless war with Iran? Even trump that was hot headed and was eager to hit Iran couldn't because Iran didn't give any reason why they should strike, and if they strike unprovoked, you have the Iranians to deal with in the Middle East and the US population to answer with in the states.

Strike does not equal "airstrike" or missile strike. Isrsel agents have directly infiltrated Iran on several occassions and struck at facilities and key individuals.

Efewestern:
The essence of having strength is that no-one can attack you unnecessary. There will be consequences. So when nations acquire deadly weapons, they do so to prevent calamity.

Iran won't dare attack Israel or any US ally without a strong justification. By justification I mean Israel firing missiles towards Iran. Which Israel won't dare do because Iran has the strength and capacity to return same quantity of destruction and even more.

What these two are doing is to target eachother outside their territories. Eg Israel striking Iran's assets in Syria or sponsoring sabotage within Iran. Iran using Lebanon proxies to strike Israel.

US with all its strength also won't strike Iran without strong justification. Iran too won't provoke US unnecessary in the middle east without a strong justification. Strength prevent further wars. If a nation is weak, they will be crushed. The leaders in Iran understands what the almighty US can do to them if they act recklessly, infact they thread with wisdom. There would have been a regime change in Iran if they hadn't amassed strength over the years. Infact, for the peace of the region, no-one wants a war with Iran. Strike assets in weak Syria and claim victory.

US regularly strikes Iran's assets in Syria and Iraq. Of course, they can hit Iran directly, but no one really wants the destruction of the entire middle east. So it's much easier to hit Iran's asset, generals etc when they step outside their secured zone into Iraq and Syria. Iran too attack US assets using their militias in those countries. That way, everyone claims victory and there won't be a total fallout of war.

This is the psychology of the human mind.

Israel has carried out numerous strikes within Iran.

Nokio2:
Oga no drag me join una senseless Igbo and Yoruba nairaland war
In my village oturkpo we eat amala well no use your balablu format claim am for only your culture..

Which Igbo and Yoruba war? I'm talking about your mockery of his name "Bwala"!

Ironically, I'm neither of the two.

Very interesting that despite your vehement disclaimer Yoruba-Igbo issues what your mind went straight to.

I wonder why.

Nokio2:
Pesin name bwala like amala wey dem make with beans

You are making fun of an entire culture just to attack one man. Have a rethink.

PrinceofSarcasm:
Mulls, considers ,wants to, will do, may, may implement etc

Nonsensical propaganda wordings and sensationalism in the media .

Why don't they just shut up and do the work and stop will Al the useless.media aide garbage

Our role as a civil society is to put pressure on them to implement these things...mass peaceful demonstrations to insist on true federalism. If the people are too docile the leaders will get away with empty promises.

NDLEA shoild seize cocaine, heroin, kush, and any other class A drug. But seizing marijuana is mere harassment of the youth.

Nothing?

Interesting.

justtoodark:
i am not difficult....!!😂😂

my wives wouldnt agree with you....😂😂

Introduce us first let me ask them - one on one though

justtoodark:
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how you wan come through life without engagin people....

do you automaticaly await that people agree with you no matter what you say....

Engagement is lovely but not with difficult people. The info you seek is googleable so why not do that and get back to me?

1. How much does a barrel of crude cost?
2. How many litres of refined products can you get out of a singe barrel?
3. What is the cost per litre of these products which include PMS, diesel, aviation fuel and so on.
4. What is the total value of a refined barrel of crude in output?

The answers are all there.

When you have this data you can come back.

justtoodark:
bros....how much do you sell a barrel of crude and how much do you buy refined crude per liter....

thats all i care about....

provide this informations then we can start arguein if what you say make sense....

You don't seem to get it - I'm not interested in the argument at all. Or to put it the way you may understand, I really don't care what you care about. I have given you the framework, you can google the rest. Or feel free to disagree. Either way works very well for me. Cheers.

justtoodark:
bwahaha....absolutly not....how much do you sell a barrel of oil that you buy a liter of oil today....??

how much liter is in a barrel of crude oil....??

Really don't know why you're arguing or what point you're trying to make. For many years this was exactly how Nigeria operated. We swapped crude for refined products to eliminate the fx issues in the middle. It's not a new system and it obviously works. If you need details you can google them yourself but it is a fact that the quantity of refined products is significantly higher than the quantity of crude in a single barrel. Don't argue for the sake of it.

justtoodark:
it doesnt make any economical sense anyways....

its like tellin me to give you 20 kilos of yams to get 2 kilos of pounded yam powder....

That's obviously not how it works. You give me 50 naira worth of yam and I give you back 50 naira worth of yam flour. I can make 100 naira worth of yam flour from 50 naira yam. The excess is my profit. You take your 50 naira and give it to your yam marketers at 30 naira. the 20 naira is the subsidy. Everyone is happy.

justtoodark:
i dont think you produce that much crude to consider such a deal today....

Why not? I'm merely suggesting that we trade whatever we want to sell to Dangote to avoid fx issues. So it's not really a question of how much crude we produce.

GeneralDae:
That's true if he is paid in dollars at international market price. If he is paid in naira, it's a different story.
He however needs more dollars to pay his foreign workers and to pay his debts. He may also be purchasing crude from IOC in dollars.

If I were the FG, I would pay Dangote in dollars then subsidize at a fixed price of say 350-400 naira.

I suppose all of this can be solved if they simply traded crude for refined products like we were doing at some point in the past?

nairalanda1:
It would well well.

Suppose government buys fuel at N900 per liter from Dangote, and sells it to the marketers at N200 per liter, so that they can sell to us at N300...what do you think Government would do, when Dangote's production cost goes up to N1200 per liter due to rising fuel prices?

They would be forced to either

1.Borrow more money to close the resulting deficit

2. Mount pressure on Dangote to keep selling to them at N900 per liter.

There is a cold reason why many people refuse to do legal licit refining in Nigeria. Because government is going to force them to sell at cheap prices under the guise of subsidy. That means they run at a loss.

And that means no bank would be mad enough to lend to them.

That's the beauty of a free market, and the deregulation of the sector brought about by the PIA. The government can't force you to do any such thing.

GeneralDae:
I believe it's thesame reason Dangote is taking his time with PMS production because there is some form of reduced subsidy at the moment.

So it seems Dangote wants to sell Diesel and Aviation fuel first where there's no subsidy at all.

A subsidy wouldn't affect Dangote - he would get his full price regardless of whether it is the marketers paying or the government paying him. Producers don't bear the burden of a subsidy.

ZKOSOSO:
Nope....
I am happy. Just the fact that Nigerians are going through a lot already. Dangote is a shroud capitalist who doesn't like Lagosians enough.
Otedola just gave 1 billion yesterday to Lagos security fund. Why would Dangote not give too ?
Last time he gave Jobs to Engineering graduates mainly from his core Northern people only. What of other Southern Engineering graduates who own the land and better qualified?
Across the country, Dangote trailers kill Southerners like rats every time with zero justice ⚖️ for the dead. He singlehandedly destroyed our roads with his heavy haulage of cements Across Southern regions.
Can an Igbo business man try all these and still remain standing?

This was debunked very clearly so it comes as a shocker that you are still bandying such lies about. Meanwhile, do you want to tell me that Innoson doesn't employ Igbos as the majority of his employees?

Your entire post is filled what lies and its so sad that you harbour so much bitterness against his one man. Is it Dangote's fault that the roads are bad??

You mean you want Dangote as a man to bear the responsibility for individual drivers who kill southerners in road traffic accidents, as if that is what he sent them to do, when even those drivers may be southerners themselves? What a pity tribalism has reduced you to this.

Dangote has given so much back to this country but your eyes will be blind to it.

It is terrible to lie against someone all because you have a weird agenda!

EconomistXplain:
balance of trade has bever been the issue.

issue is with balance of payment

How is balance of payments the issue?

CEOKmotors:
🙄🙄🙄


Dangote has tried for which Nigeria?

D man is a big thief that can't compete in a fair market.

Only thrives on Monopoly.

Look into all the businesses he had competitors and see how he ran away.

He has competitors in every field. There is nothing Dangote does that BUA wont follow. That's his main competitor, plus loads of smaller ones. There is no field where Dangote enjoys an absolute monopoly.

Secondly, Dangote certainly has tried for Nigeria because he could easily have gone the easy route by being an importer but the man manufactures everything he is into locally.

Do you mean you don't know the impact this has on the economy??

Kog45:
Oh you guys forgot last year that Oliseh fired the first salvo by telling the whole world that Nididi is better than Mikel.

Thats his opinion on them as a pundit. Whats wrong with that? Its purely football. So Mikel believes he is above criticism? No wonder he goes about trying to drag "most decorated" player with Kanu.

casualobserver:
Mikel is a nitwit! ….an Uncle Tom!

So sad watching his recent videos and watching him struggle to maintain his fake british accent.