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After talking to various sources, why go ahead and publish this story without accepting the military's invitation for an on the ground assessment? Would that not have made for a more complete piece?

thebosstrevor:
i just hope you are not joking, militarily, SA has a self sufficient and well equipped military with a very well financed military industrial complex that can produce top weapons,dont forget they had nuclear bombs before,which nigeria does not have, SA has its own figters jets produced in SA, meaning they could raid nigeria if they want to, nigeria miitary is a mess, you can clearly see it.

in economic terms, nigeria has lot to lose, nigeria solely depends on oil for its revenue while south africa is a very diversified economy, only three SA companies are top in nigeria, meaning they employ nigerians also if they decide to go, we will lose, many people will go unemployed

repatriation of Nigerians from South Africa is not a huge embarrassment on SA, countries repatriate their citizens, it is nothing new, business will continue, for all we know SA is the gateway to AFrica, all global top brands are in SA

in my opinion, SA has all the cards to hurt us, we do not, where can we hurt SA that it wont destroy us, they buy our oil, they employ us, we run to their country. we are the losers in the game.

I think you need to do a bit more research on issues. Do you think South Africa is a 10 minute walk from Nigeria? The average fighter jet including those far above the level of anything available in South Africa has a range of 3000 km, which is about half the distance from SA to Nigeria. Lol. That is why nations that are serious about military reach have what are called aircraft carriers.

By the way, which fighter jet is produced in South Africa?

Economically, your argument is strange. SA cannot do anything to the Nigerian economy. Whether or not the Nigerian economy is based on garri, moi moi or toilet paper, the simple fact is, we do not trade much with SA as a major partner so if they decide to boycott our goods, there will be no impact. And as you know oil is heavily demanded globally anyway! On the other hand, they have somewhat major investments in Nigeria.

As for the diplomatic row. Of course it is a huge embarrassment. When last did you hear of a country repartriating it's citizens from anything other than a war torn country? What image does that portrayal of South Africa to the wider world?

yertyr:
Quickly came to find loopholes in the article.
Sorry guys, didnt find
There is only one truth

There are of course loopholes. The writer loosely argues that Nigeria is attacking from a position of weakness but he is wrong.

In military terms, neither South Africa nor Nigeria has the upper hand simply because neither has the capacity to invade the other. Stalemate.

In economic terms, neither country is particularly relevant to the other but on the balance of relevance, South Africa has much more to lose in terms of the value of South African investments in Nigeria. Nigeria will emerge the marginal victor in all out economic warfare.

But diplomatically however, Nigeria holds all the aces. South Africa cannot afford to be seen as a state which fails to uphold human rights protections. That would severely undermine it's status as a powerhouse in the AU, an in politics generally. That is not some5hignthe South Africans want, and the repatriation of Nigerians from South Africa is a huge embarrassment to which the South Africans have no effective reply. That's a checkmate from Nigeria.

ednut1:
the lady is richer than mikel

She's not. Her parents, not her are millionaires.

Mikel is a millionaire in any currency.

eTECTIV:
We were jus wasting Iwobi out on d flanks all dis while.. He was always d heir apparent to his uncle's number 10 throne

When last did Iwobi okay flank for Nigeria?

kettykin:
Nigeria will lose any war with south Africa .
If you have not won any war with untrained illiterate boko haram fighting with ak47 is it with south Africa military that has nuclear powered submarines and scud missiles you will win

So what brings war into this discussion?

DrNueLpureHoney:
Better for them ooo but they should be sent to another country to finish up their training na.

Must they come back home na?

Sir, the report clearly states that they have finished their training.

tpiander:
So, you mean no fuel?

No, I mean this is a goodwill gesture from a private enterprise so if you are not making a private contribution then why are you giving suggestions that will involve higher expenditure for Air Peace?

tpiander:
Why not repatriate the ones without expired passports, while the others renew their travel documents?

These stories need to be straight.

How many have current passports and how many don't?

Even if it's taking them to a nearby country in the meantime, I thought there were standard procedures normally followed in such matters.

You mean you have started a fund to contribute to the fuel for Air Peace? wonderful

Jarus:
Ighalo better pass am o

This one just won Lille Player of the Month. He hasn't even won Ligue 1 player of the month.

Ighalo won EPL player of the month. He also ended 2nd highest goalscorer in China in a season.


Ighalo has retired, and he is the leading successor to Ighalo in that top 9 position, but forget it, going in that AFCON, he would not have benched Ighalo.

Why are you comparing them?

IdioticNLmods:
And they are still begging Tammy Abraham

Abraham is actually the better player and we would do well to have both as options. You have to understand that Abraham is not snubbing Nigeria, he actually has a very tough decision to make.

Iamgrey5:
Bro this is not true

Nigeria is the biggest trading partner of South Africa on the continent because of those companies you mentioned.

We sell crude oil to them and they repratriat money back to their country.

If we Nationalise MTN and DStv it will affect their trade and business policies.

Hence, the Glo example can't work because Glo doesn't control huge market share in Ghana and our economy is wired in a different way.

Nigeria can survive because Nigeria once survived something similar in 2014 when America our largest trading partner in the world stopped buying our crude oil.

The only problem are the Nigerian elites who have some shares in SA companies stalling any retaliation.

In this day and nationalization is not an option unless you want to become a pariah state!

What the FG has done is the correct move, and the one I advocated for ever since.

DrNueLpureHoney:
We just take one eye dey watch him

South Africa is South Africa or is there any other South Africa that we don't know about?

You saw that the event took place before the Federal government decision to boycott, didn't you?

Llanthony401:
They're just playing around, will you relax?

People really tend to lack perspective

Benwems:
Nigeria is a very useless country. We worship foreigners too much wheather it's Somalia, Iraqi, Kenyan as long as its a foreigner. How many South Africans have been arrested? This buhari government is very useless and shameless.

Almost 200 South Africans were arrested. If you don't have facts why make angry comments?

Ijaya123:
My suggestion...

In retaliation to all these senseless and horrific attacks on Nigerian citizens in South Africa, I suggest this government should expel the SA High Commission team in Nigeria with immediate effect. I disagree with recalling our envoy over there. We need someone to keep an eye on activities over there. I stand to be corrected though.

This should be followed up by a call to CAF to suspend SA Football Association from all CAf organised competitions since the country has shown it is incapable of guaranteein the safety of other African countries involved in their land.

The government should as well use its position to lobby other African countries to call for the indefinite suspension of SA from the African Union having failed to uphold one of the values of the union.

These are just a few among many options available so we can teach those animals some hard lessons they wont forget in a while.

Diplomatic relations are complex. There is a set of rules. When offended in hierarchical order:

1. You summon the other country's ambassador. If not satisfied;
2. You recall your own ambassador. If still unsatisfied;
3. You expel the other country's ambassador. At this point, you cease to have formal relations with that country. It is the last step and hardly occurs save the countries are on the brink of actual war.

MaziOmenuko:
The joke is on you! Those shoprites branches you see belong to Nigerians. Its called a 'franchise', you can look up the word. You can buy a franchise to open a shoprite; royalties are being remitted to the brand owners, who may not even be in Nigeria. Same goes for MTN; most of the outlets are owned by Nigerians, selling services offered by MTN and remitting to MTN. MTN is now listed in Nigerian stock exchange and sold-out within two days. Who you think over-subscribed the shares? They generate tax revenue, have Nigerian staff, supervisors and Managers, have chains of outsourced services that keeps other Nigerian SME's running, engage in CSR's that contribute in its own little way to improve communities they are; they contribute positively to the Nigerian economy!

Be there and be destroying Nigerian businesses while those motherfvckers kill people. They waste people's lives and you are looting groceries and table water.

Jokers!

Been trying to tell these people that we don't have the same leverage on SA as they do on us. Nobody wants to hear. The first response for so many is close MTN, Shoprite, DSTV as if we won't also lose from that.

philip0906:
You are desperately trying to downplay the significance (no matter how little) of Nigeria taking action against South Africa. You are probably amongst the lots who think Nigeria is a COMPLETE sh1thole, unfortunately Business peeps know different
1. MTN Nigeria was accused by the CBN of wrongly repatriating about $8.1 billion out of the country. Even for America, that money is significant. The South African Reserve Bank posited that the dispute with the CBN, posed risks on South African financial system. So you are wrong to think that it is insignificant;
https://www.pulse.ng/bi/finance/finance-south-africas-economy-at-risk-over-mtn-nigeria-dollar101-billion-dispute/57g518x

2. South Africa will drag Nigeria to court? Lol...Just like they dragged us to court when MTN was slammed with fines right? They are already paying the fine. They have reportedly payed 330 billion naira of the fine. So your post holds no water. If they are slammed with another fine, they have no option, than to pay.

3. South Africa will take action against Nigerians living in their country...Are you remotely joking? What could be worse than what is currently happening? Or what other action, probably line Nigerians up in the streets and gun them down? Or ban Nigerians from going to South Africa? What could be worse than loosing human lives and properties in South Africa?

4. MTN can NEVER exit the Nigerian market. Take that to the bank. Nigeria is their biggest cash cow. MTN Nigeria led the market share growth with 12.2% growth in the first half of the year, more than any other country they operate in, including South Africa (3.3%). They have more than 55 million subscribers in Nigeria, 20 million more than the subscriber base in South Africa.

5. Global investors affected? Nope.This is simply Nigeria vs South Africa, not Nigeria vs the world, with Nigeria only taking reciprocate action against the inhumanity meted out on its citizens by the host nation, South Africa. Investors are not dumb. They understand. Nigeria still has Africa's biggest GDP. Our solid 200 million population cannot be ignored by investors, it's our strength. Even with all the supposed insecurities in our Nation, tech firms are raking in record amounts of staggering investments.

I may agree with you over point 1 but on there rest:

Re 2:

2. South Africa will drag Nigeria to court? Lol...Just like they dragged us to court when MTN was slammed with fines right? They are already paying the fine. They have reportedly payed 330 billion naira of the fine. So your post holds no water. If they are slammed with another fine, they have no option, than to pay.

That was a justifiable cause. South Africa would never have won that case. Slapping punishments on MTN and others for no reason is a violation of international law.

Re 3.

3. South Africa will take action against Nigerians living in their country...Are you remotely joking? What could be worse than what is currently happening? Or what other action, probably line Nigerians up in the streets and gun them down? Or ban Nigerians from going to South Africa? What could be worse than loosing human lives and properties in South Africa?

There is a clear distinction between South African citizens committing crimes against Nigerian citizens, and a South African state policy of punishing Nigerian businesses. I was clearly referring to the latter. Despite the regular outbursts of xenophobia, Nigerians remain that country doing business becasue the business environment is still conducive. That would change if the South African state implements an aggressive, reciprocal policy towards Nigerians.

Re 4:

4. MTN can NEVER exit the Nigerian market. Take that to the bank. Nigeria is their biggest cash cow. MTN Nigeria led the market share growth with 12.2% growth in the first half of the year, more than any other country they operate in, including South Africa (3.3%). They have more than 55 million subscribers in Nigeria, 20 million more than the subscriber base in South Africa.

We are dealing with a big picture of cause and effect. If Nigeria punishes MTN then how will Nigeria continue to be a cash cow for them? It is one of two things:

a. Nigeria punishes MTN to a significant enough effect that the company is troubled. This will only be the case if the company stops making profit. If that happens the company has no incentive to remain in the Nigerian market.

b. Nigeria punishes MTN but not enough to block their profits. The company itself may be bothered but not to a scale to warrant the SA government taking action.

Re 5.

5. Global investors affected? Nope.This is simply Nigeria vs South Africa, not Nigeria vs the world, with Nigeria only taking reciprocate action against the inhumanity meted out on its citizens by the host nation, South Africa. Investors are not dumb. They understand. Nigeria still has Africa's biggest GDP. Our solid 200 million population cannot be ignored by investors, it's our strength. Even with all the supposed insecurities in our Nation, tech firms are raking in record amounts of staggering investments.

Of course, global investors will take note and stay clear. today your dispute is with South Africa and you are taking it out on their innocent business entities. Tomorrow if your dispute is with India it means you will take it out on Indian business entities.


Note: I've never said Nigeria should do nothing. There diplomatic avenues of resolving the current channels. These include the African Union, The African Commission on human and People's Rights, and of course the UN.

philip0906:
MTN was fined $5.2 billion by the Nigerian government, even the most profitable company in the world Aramco, would feel the heat if they were fined such. The goal is not to hit the south african GDP significantly or whatever you call it, it is to respond (in whatever measure) and let the South African government know that they need to step up their game and protect human lives and properties.

Are the Nigerians killed there affecting our own GDP? No. The goal is to send a message to them. Plus there are still thousands of Nigerians in SA who aren't affected by the whole mess, as they live in the Highbrow areas. Like I said, the goal is to send a strong message to South Africa, that they can't get away FREELY, with the mess going on there.

And remember, it is not only Nigerians who are affected, citizens from other countries are targeted too. Like I said in my previous post, if all the countries come together and do same, that will send a strong message to South Africa.

You don't seem to get the point. How does hitting back at MTN translate to passing a message across to South African govt? Why should the South African govt bother itself? Did they bother themselves when you slapped MTN with the 5 billion dollar fine? Even if you go ahead and threaten to close MTN down, how does that affect the South African govt?

This is the scenario as it plays out.

1. MTN is unjustly punished for something it knows nothing of-

Fallback:

a. South Africa drags Nigeria to any one of a number of international courts (ICJ, ICA). South Africa/MTN will win that case with possible damages awarded. Nigeria loses and Nigerians continue to be persecuted in South Africa. Nigeria is currently facing the prospect of billions of dollars awarded in damages from similar behavior with an Irish firm.
b. South Africa alternatively reciprocates by imposing harsh conditions on Nigerians in South Africa. Stalemate, but Nigerians continue to be persecuted in South Africa, as the Nigerian government has no other leverage to exercise.
c. MTN says enough is enough and decides to exit the market since it can no longer be assured of a stable working environment. Other global investors become wary of investing in Nigeria. Nigeria loses as the departure of MTN and other South African giants adds thousands to the already extremely high rate of unemployment. The loss of revenue to MTN and other South African firms will have little impact on the highly diversified and huge South African economy. Meanwhile Nigerians continue to be persecuted.


Taking it out on firms who have done nothing wrong is not the solution. I know the average Nigerian would love to argue and stand on their point so you're welcome to it.

philip0906:
You don't have to close down businesses...Just hit them with huge tax fees or lace it around fines (e.g what happened with MTN few years back)...They will pay. They make sh1t load of money here, make them pay through their nose. By the time the revenue that is repatriated back home takes a hit, their eye go clear.

There are other subtle diplomatic jabs that can be given targeting their institutions/businesses in here, their expatriates, diplomatic missions etc. Another option is to work alongside other countries (that will require solid diplomacy), place embargoes on their products, services etc

If the government is serious, they will pull it off.

So you really think that MTN and DSTV revenue from Nigeria makes a dent to the South African economy? Really?? How much do you think they are taken back compared to South Africa's GDP of $350 billion?

Then if Nigeria makes life harder for these few companies, and the South Africans reciprocate by making life harder for Nigerians in SA, what moves do you have left? Lets say it goes down to the wire: Nigeria and South Africa reciprocally declare each other's citizens persona non grata...who will really lose more? Have you any idea of the number of Nigerians in South Africa??

harley88:
If only you cud pass your message with less curse words.
Notwithstanding, The FG is being too gentle on the matter.
I'm surprised that SA businesses are even still open right now in Nigeria.

Time and time again people comment as if this is the solution. closing SA businesses will cause unemployment for Nigerians and leave Nigeria with no more moves to play.

So after they close the SA businesses, if another attack happens, what will the government then do?

This looks like the work of bloggers. An earlier report came out that Mikel's stay in turkey may be cut short to reunite him with his family. Now the report this report cites the exact same information in that earlier report but adds a twist that this may threaten his relationship. Well, I put it to you that his stay in turkey cannot be threatened unless he is in favor of a move away, and his relationship canot be threatened unless he is in favor of staying in Turkey.

Logically, both cannot be true at the same time.

TheDestroyer:
Lmao, one stupid oyinbo will just sit down somewhere and compile rubbish and some dumb Nigerians will believe. So pretoria in South Africa where people get robbed in broad day light or soweto is safer than lagos? Why the obsession with Nigeria though? Always wanting to attach everything negative to Nigeria because they know most nigerians have no self worth and hate the country so they'd believe.

Best to fuly understand before you attack. Pay attention to the following excerpt:

“A look at the top five cities in each pillar—digital, health, infrastructure and personal security—yields a similar message. In each area, leading cities got the basics right, be it easy access to high-quality healthcare, dedicated cyber-security teams, community-based police patrolling or disaster continuity planning.”

Lagos occupied the 56th spot on the digital security ranking and placed 58th on the infrastructure security ranking.

Nigeria’s most populous city ranked the least on the health and personal security tables.

Some of the items which cities were ranked on are:


Digital security: Privacy policy, citizen awareness of digital threats, public-private partnerships, level of technology employed, dedicated cyber-security teams, percentage of computers infected, percentage with internet access.


Infrastructure security: Enforcement of transport safety, pedestrian friendliness, disaster management/business continuity plan, road network, power network, rail network, the percentage living in slums, air transport facilities.


Health security: Environmental policies, access to healthcare, number of beds per 1,000 population, number of doctors per 1,000 population, access to safe and quality food, quality of health services, air quality, water quality, emergency services in the city.


Personal security: Level of police engagement, community-based patrolling, available street-level crime data, use of data-driven techniques for crime, the prevalence of petty crime, gender safety (female homicide), level of corruption, rate of drug use.

The cities who did not factor in disaster risk in their city-level urban plan were listed as Cairo, Riyadh, Lagos, Bogota, Caracas, Baku.


To make the point clear, the danger here is not assessed only on the basis of violent crime.

Blizzy9ja:
Nigerian girls and their insecurity... She wouldn't do it for him and will still get angry and jealous when someone else does.

Yeye lemme call my white chick abeg

Read through na...she did do it for him

Lucque:
He said we didnt rili have... Not we dont rili have... D we is clearly talking abt himself or members of his family...

He said "growing up in Nigeria" not "growing up".

The first means the lack of an opportunity was incidental to having grown up in Nigeria.

Clearly.

TheWalkingMind:
education my friend is different from schooling. In Nigeria schooling system, no lecturer in any University can do what he described there.

Clearly, "my friend", he was talking about not having the opportunity to go to school at all not about the quality of education.

Kentura:
Growing up in Nigeria, we didn't really have the opportunity to actually go to school.. nawao, this sentence berates Nigeria.

I wonder if he had to say that. As if people are not going to school in Nigeria...even footballers.

He posted on Instagram that he went back because he wanted to play in an important game for the national team and that he will be returning to Sweden after that game.

Besides Sweden is quite hot at the moment.

Officialgarri:
The match last match Nigeria lost in the African cup group stage was fixed.

Even if the coach knew nothing about it, I'm sure Ekong and others had something to do with the loss

Why Ekong?

Am I the only one that can't understand what the OP is trying to say?

iAudio:
He is a real man. He made a promise and fulfilled it. Simple.

imagine if this kind of man tells you he will beat you...