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Later they would claim Islam is this and Islam is that. They forcibly took her children from the path of jannah to the path of fire and some people expect her to be okay with it.

BetaThings: Muslims believe that the way to Jannah is through Allah. Christians believe what you have said and I have no problem with that. Bill Gates does not use iPhone afterall
I would expect that Muslims should be allowed to adopt Muslims and Christians, Christians.

The average christian is taught to regard Muslims as enemies
They translate Qur'an and publish fake Qur'an to plant hatred and misinformation in the minds of both innocent muslims and Christians
The average church has special prayers that are actually curses. They curse Muslims, Allah, Ka'aba, the pray for the destruction of the royal family in Saudi Arabia, Hamas etc
Please don't deny. We have evidence

Dont mind them. I went to a christian school and they forced us to go to church every week, bombarding us with christian propaganda, teaching us that the people of Allah and Mohammed (SAW) are lowly scum of the earth. Imagine what all that can do to a nine year old. But when you ask them to provide proof of all their blibical claims, they say you need the holy spirit to understand. What sort of god would require you to believe blindly before exposing his true nature to you? I think 'sango' can do better than that. Thats why their so called false prophets, who are indeed the real prophets, engage all sorts of juju to continue bewitching and subjugating their audience with all their lies. If indeed the god of israel was so powerful, why does he need a satanic organization (illuminati) to protect his empire?

ORAFA: Its not hearsay, its real. I live in Gboko and work @ the factory. Indians have actually 'infested' dat company courtesy of Dangote.

because they know their onions. do you think it is a government parastatal that you can employ your incompetent brothers to run the company down? why do you think all the other government owned industries and installations are being run down? Bosses stepping on lower staff happens everywhere, so its not about indians and nigerians.

Allah revealed the qur'an in arabic for a reason, just like the injeel (original bible )was in hebrew. So, it is commendable to have an islamic com arabic name, but it doesnt negate your right to have a tribal name.

If it is indeed true, then he is supposed to be killed under islamic law. I dont know what sort of sharia court they are running in saudi arabia.

anyone that can enrich uranium and possess the capability to go beyond the atmosphere should be able to make a stealth fighter.

Even the US borrow, so what are we talking about? The problem is not the borrowing, but utilizing the funds for the purpose they were borrowed. Thats what I think the FG is short on. http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/lead-stories/48536-nigerias-debt-profile-now-45bn-dmo-says-fg-to-borrow-more-in-2013
After Obj managed to rescue us from those deadly debts, we have been thrown back into their firm grip by the present administration. The keyword here is 'prudent borrowing'.

sureteeboy: Women in islam are treated as queens?? It seems you havnt visited http://faithfreedom.org and http://alisina.org

islam protects women, yes, but it also gives them their full rights. the restrictions placed on women are for the protection of the society as a whole. we all know that christianity never emancipated women, the cultural revolutions in the west did.

superior1: Any mature Christian understand perfectly what Christ was saying there and you can not be more than what you dont know. Cast out devils, step on serpent and take anything deadly are saying the same thing i.e Devil= Serpent (remember Eden) = Poison(Serpent). Christ is emphasizing the believers Authority and his dominion over Evil in that verse, those are the Hallmark of a committed born again Christians.

continue being brain washed. why would Jesus (AS) be repeating the same thing three times in one statement? actually, the editors of the bible acknowledge that this was a later addition to 'God's book'. that's why the Quran came to prevent all this editings (additions and subtractions), and to confirm what is known to be true. You have to aggree with me that a book that is edited cannot be the same as the original, abi? http://errancy.org/poison.html. God is perfect, He wont allow His FINAL message to mankind to become corrupted.

mazaje: What more evidence do you want?. . .A teacher was killed in Gombe by her students becaused they accused her of desecrating the koran, a riot broke out in university of maiduguri because a student claimed he saw parts of the koran in the toilet. A man named Gideon was baheaded in Kano because he was accused of desecrating the koran. A police man in kano was almost beating to death because he was accused of insulting the prophet. . Non muslims were killed in the North by muslims because of some cartoons published in Denmark. . .Miss world roits. . .The grand mufti of Saudi Arabia publicly declaring that islam should be the only religion in the Arabic peninsula and all churches should be destroyed because the propeht said only one religion should be practiced there. . .When will the supreme council of islam come together and publicly denounce sheik Shekau and his BH boys?They publicly condem GEJ for retireing or removing some senior muslim officers from service. Are unbelievers not referred to as "arna" by the average muslim in the north? Where do MOST religious crisis begin from and on what day?. . .

Why do police and the military escort muslims from their places of worship on fridays when ever there is tension in parts of the north? When was the last time you saw christians killing muslims because the name of Jesus was blasphemed?. . .Why are imams like sheik Gumi and co constantly preaching about of unbelievers? What exactly are you talking about and why are you telling LIES?. . .I repeat make sure you read the nonsense you type before posting. . .

so why are people given large sentences for anti-semitism? the fact that the west has 'modified' their teachings of christianity doesnt make it free from all these things you proclaim. are you not the ones that claim God promised the israelites the holy land, and so therefore you have to kill and drive out all the muslims from that place? what about all the killings due to heresy and 'the inquisition'? we know that some misguided muslims up-north kill, destroy and loot peoples properties using various guises, but christians are not exempt from this. as a northern christian you know what i am speaking about. as for the police escort, it is because the first crisis in jos started when the christians set up ambush for the muslims that had gone to pray on friday. it also happened on the way to the eid ground in rukuba where eye witnessess experienced volleys of bullets coming their way. as for preaching about non believers, i went to a christian school, and that was all they fed us with in class and church (they forced us to attend service). you claim muslims are intolerant, but why is it that there still exist christians in Egypt, Jews stayed for a longtime under ottoman rule, and our noble prophet signed alliances with christian and jewish groups during his lifetime. but as for christians, history knows that the early church was one of the most intolerant organisations that ever existed (burning at the stake). maybe i should ask you this question, why is it that northern christians hate muslims so much? we have lived peacefully over the years since my birth till i entered the university. is it inbuilt hatred? as for calling people infidels, it was started by the christians (actually read the dictionary meaning). and everyone knows boko haram is a terrorist group just like the lord resistance army is. muslims are sensitive about their religion, so just as anti-semitism is discouraged, muslims also dont encourage blasphemy against islam, though i dont condone any one taking laws into his own hand. if present day christians dont care what people say or do to their God or religion, thats their problem (though the early christians took it very seriously).

plappville: The letter of this thread should be accepted by ignrance, can't you see the likes? some people just don't care to dig deep.
They accept welcome all sort of rubbish, (ISLAM IS A PEACEFUL RELIGION)yes sir, MUHAMMED WAS A TRUE PROPHET yes sir..

The plain truth about this religion is in the book itself. Anyone that have reads it, will never fall for thier toy stories.

Jesus (AS) is the son of God? yes ma. God did some intimate things to Mary (AS)? yes ma. A man fought with God and survived? yes ma. God needs some virgins saved for Himself? yes ma. There are three Gods in one? yes ma. I rather be heathen than worship that toothless judeo-christian god, whose followers have to resort to juju to prove the potency of their beliefs. At least the hindus have some powerful beings they are worshipping, not some powerless whimp that cant even save himself from a bunch of measly humans. If the whole fallacy was true, why did he have to shout 'Eli Eli lamabathachani'? what happens to the still born child, or better yet the child that barely had a few breaths of air? is he also a sinner condemned to hell cos his ancestors committed a sin? As for the holy prophet (SAW), history would remember him as the greatest man that lived on earth, and with God he is the most loved, like it or not. Just one question, if islam is not a religion of peace, then which is? christianity That blood sucking, baby-seeking judeo-christian god religion? Stop your internet based research and seek out the truth if ye are indeed interested in your salvation. otherwise, continue chasing shadows and decieving yourself, for in the end you would only have yourself to blame.

alexis: So you totally ignored the post I referred to about the deceased and what happened in Gombe. Also, you didn't see my mention about Sunnis killing Shiites - Common tactic employed in Islam; shame no gree you condemn the killing. Yet, you claim it is "Christians" that are raping people in Congo. Maybe the rebels in Congo told you that they want to establish their "Christian version of Sharia" that is why they are raping and killing people. Maybe the M23 rebels claimed they want to remove the government in Kinshasa because they want to establish a Christian state. And while they are at it, they shouted "Jesus is Great" down with infidels. Keep generating false-hood, it appears that is all you are good at. You put down your common sense and brain God has given you when it comes to Islam. Show us the proof where Christians killed 900,000 people. Your mouth is full or allegations yet you can't back them up.

No one is forcing you to convert to another religion or telling you one religion is better than the other. Again, if you believe in stones, don't throw it at others.

If you think I will condone violence because of religious leanings you are mistaken. I am asking you to prove that Rwanda or Congo violence is/was Christian motivated; that is all I am asking you. If it is/was; I will be the first one with you to CONDEMN it. If muslims are attacked anywhere and killed, I will condemn it, I will not play religion or politics with it. The issue here is what motivates a person i.e. christian/muslim to commit the violence. Typical example, MEND in the Niger Delta - they took up arms against the government, so they were rebels. They fought and I am sure they killed people. Been that they are mainly from the south-south; it is safe to call them Christians (this is an assumption). However, you will bear witness that their motive is political and not religious. Their claim is that they are/were fighting for a fair share of their oil wealth. They never wanted to establish a Christian State (as it is in Mali - an Islamic state). I am giving you a typical example so we can trace the REASON as to why these happen. The MOTIVE determines if it is religious or political.

what about the LRA in angola and other countries? who are they fighting for? and the crusaders, who did they fight for? na sango abi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
the US called the war in Iraq a 'crusade' against terrorism, though no active terrorists existed in Iraq before the US invasion in 2003. so what are you saying? as for invasion of countries, why did russia invade georgia? arent they all christians? 900,000 slaughtered is an insignificant number(Estimates of the death toll were up to 1,000,000), what about the second world war? how many were brutally massacred? maybe you can explain why the crusaders ate saracen flesh during the first crusade.

just follow this link and see how confused your 'holy book' is. they needed to clean the scriptures of any book that spoke of jesus as anything other than God. come to think of it, the hindu concept of God makes more sense that this senseless 'three gods in one' ideology.

plappville: MUHAMMED HAD 100PER HATRED FOR BLACK:
Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed…(Ash-Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004)

Disbelievers’ faces will be black on the judgment day and they will receive God's penalty...3:106 White faces on the judgment day will receive God's mercy...3:107

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.(ibid, p.375)

In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47.

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.9:34

Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37 contradicting Jesus.
Luke1:35 The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called the Son of God. ©NET Read More. According to Islam, Nathanael also is in hell..
(John 1:49) Nathanael answered him, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel!”

but afterall bilal (RA) (a black man) was his beloved companion. and as 'son of God', jesus also called other people children of God. David was also called the begotten son of God "I (David) will declare the decree: the LORD had said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (The King James Version Bible, Psalm 2:7)". This your judeo-christian god that cant even defeat a man in a wrestling match is the one you want us to believe would give us salvation
"genesis {32:24} And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. {32:25} And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. {32:26} And he said,Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. {32:27} And he said unto him, What [is] thy name? And he said, Jacob. {32:28} And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel:for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. {32:29} And Jacob asked [him,] and said,Tell [me,] I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore [is] it [that] thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. {32:30} And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. {32:31}"
bukhari vol 9 hadith 256: Narrated By Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin." you dont get the lesson abi? why would he want a black to be the leader if he hated blacks so much the other hadiths have the same message. and all your other quotations dont have any meaning cos they are not authentic hadith.
Disbelievers’ faces will be black on the judgment day and they will receive God's penalty...3:106 White faces on the judgment day will receive God's mercy...3:107
so , cant the face of a black man be made white or bright and the face of a white man be made black or darkened if you really seek knowledge, i suggest you go to commentary by ibn kathir so that you can have a better understanding of the verse.
As for him saying jesus saves and muhammad kills, what about moses, david,solomon, e.t.c. jesus was sent with different type of message to his people, at that particular time i.e. the lost sheep of israel. God decides how he wants to protect his message, either through self defence, or miracles (just like he did with Noah (AS)). all those preaching 'turn the other cheek' should not seek the help of the army when terrorists ravage their homeland, rather they should wait for their blind 'miracle from heaven' that would save them. but, i am sure the early christians were not like that. they fought many wars in the name of God, they even ate human flesh to prove their divine mission (from the history channel). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma%27arrat_al-Numan,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism
you can only decieve people who dont know what you people are really capable of. seek the truth with an open heart and ye shall find. i doubt you can sing the 'songs of solomon' to your little ones. abi is it not part of the word of god

alexis: skak - I never said I wasn't going to answer your question. I wanted the playing ground to be the same in regards asking questions. If I asked you one question, you should ask me one back. I never did beat around the bush. As a programmer, we are detailed and always ask for specifics.

[b]Jesus died, rose and was bodily seen [/b]600 years before the advent of Muhammed, the Quran, Hadith or Islam. Yet Islam denies His deity. You claim you don't believe in Jesus as the Son of God or the Messiah and that the Bible is corrupted. Yet, your Quran takes so many lessons from the Bible and venerates the Bible. I wonder what Bible your Quran was referring to if it is corrupt.

[b]Like I always said - you can believe in ANYTHING. Any fool can make a rule and every fool will follow him. You can believe in a STONE and worship it. Christians don't have a problem with that. Just don't take that STONE and throw it at us. In summary, preach the message of "peace" and "non violence" that you have been propagating on this forum to your brothers in Boko Haram - they need it, not us and while you are doing it, ask them what version of Quran they are reading so we can know where the violence they are propagating is coming from. You don't need to tell Christians about peace, we live it, we are taught by our Saviour how to be peaceful, his life was peaceful. He never raided anyone, never killed anyone, never married 11 wives or 6 year old girls. His life is an example not only to Christians but to all. So, if you don't want to believe in Him, that is your choice. We have done as instructed, we have told you about Him. With that, I pray for you and I pray that all will be well with you. I pray that you will be blessed in health, wealth and in your spirit. Peace [/b]

And who made the claim that jesus died and rose? was the bible not written years after the demise of christ? so how do we know its an accruate representation of the events that occurred during his lifetime? Some of the accounts may be accurate but not all of it, thats why the Quran was sent to confirm what was right and correct what had been corrupted, and furhter explain the unexpained. you can continue blindly worshipping your 'three gods in one', thats your own problem, but dont try to confuse the audience with your internet-inspired research. i dont understand how God can include 'songs of solomon' among his words, but i leave that for you to research, if indeed you seek only truth. the truth has and come and falsehood has perished, verily falsehood was bound to perish.

alexis: What will I gain from insults? Whatever I have said, I have BACKED it up. I rather learn the truth about Islam from the prophet Mohammed himself using the Quran and the Hadith than from you.

"There is a Hadith from Sunan Abu Dawud that has been brought up by some anti-Islamic polemicists.

The narration:

The narration along with the chain of narrators goes as;

Yazid bin Harun- Sufyan bin Husain- Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah- Ibrahim (b. Yazid al-Taymi)- Yazid al-Taymi- Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Hadith 3991)

Related narrations:

In Musnad Ahmad these words are part of a longer narration reported through same chain of narrators;

Abu Dharr narrated, “Once I was with the Prophet riding a donkey on which there was a saddle or a (piece of) velvet. That was at sunset. He said to me, ‘O Abu Dharr, do you know where this (sun) sets?’ I said, ‘Allah and His Messenger know better.’ He said, ‘It sets in a spring of murky water, (then) it goes and prostrates before its Lord, the Exalted in Might and the Ever-Majestic, under the Throne. And when it is time to go out, Allah allows it to go out and thus it rises. But, when He wants to make it rise where it sets, He locks it up. The sun will then say, “O my Lord, I have a long distance to run.” Allah will say, “Rise where you have set.” That (will take place) when no (disbelieving) soul will get any good by believing then.’” (Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 21459 al-Risala ed.)

This narration is quite similar to the narration found in many hadith works including Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim etc. except the words “It sets in a spring of warm water.”

In Sahih Bukhari it goes as;

Sufyan (al-Thawri)- Al-A’mash- Ibrahim (b. Yazid al-Taymi)- Yazid al-Taymi- Narrated Abu Dharr: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun is quickly proceeding towards its destination. That is the designing of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing. " (36.38) (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Hadith 421)

The significant difference is of the words “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water.”

Analysis of the chains of narrators:

From Abu Darr, it both ways i.e. with and without the words under consideration, it narrated by Yazid al-Taymi and from him by his son Ibrahim bin Yazid al-Taymi. From Ibrahim it is narrated by six different narrators;
1- Al-A’mash: And from him at least five people narrate it. See Sahih Bukhari etc.

2- Yunus bin ‘Ubaid: And from him at least three narrators report this narration. See Sahih Muslim etc.

3- Musa bin al-Musayyab al-Thaqafi: From him it is narrated by Abdah bin Sulayman, See Al-‘Uzmah of Abu al-Shaykh al-Asbahani 4/1189
4- Abdul A’la al-Taymi: The narrator down from him is Mis’ar, See Hilyah al-Awliya 5/89

5- Harun bin Sa’d: Abdul Ghaffar bin al-Qasim narrates from him. See Al-‘Uzmah of Abu al-Shaykh al-Asbahani 4/1191 and Al-Tabarani’s Mu’jam Al-Awst, Hadith 4470

6- Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah: The sole narrator down from him is Sufyan bin Husain, See Sunan Abu Dawud, Musnad Ahmad, Mustadrak al-Hakim, Musnad al-Bazzar etc.

Of all these various routes from Ibrahim bin Yazid al-Taymi, it is only through Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah that these words “It sets in a spring of warm water” are narrated.

In short, there are six narrators reporting the hadith from Ibrahim bin Yazid, and only one of them i.e. Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah quotes the particular words. And to add to the trouble there is again only one narrator down from him and he is Sufyan bin Husain whereas parallel to Sufyan there are at least eleven people narrating the hadith without these words on the authority of five different people narrating from Ibrahim bin Yazid.

The narration is anomalous (shaadh) and defective (mu’allal):

This fact alone is enough to make the narration dubious. No doubt both Al-Hakam and Sufyan are per se trustworthy narrators but because on their respective levels they go against much reliable and numerous narrators. Such a narration reported this way is termed as “shaadh” i.e. anomalous.

Carefully read the definition of anomalous (shaadh) hadith given by Ibn al-Salah (d. 643 A.H.) in his magnus opus, “Kitab Ma’rifat ‘anwa’ ‘ilm al-Hadith” translated under the title “An Introduction to the Science of Hadith”;

“… the anomalous hadith is the one which a reliable transmitter relates and which is in conflict with what other people relate.” (An Introduction to the Science of Hadith, Translated by Dr. Eerik Dickinson, Garnet Publishing Ltd. Berkshire 2006 p.57)

Also see the definition of defective (mu’allal) hadith given by Ibn Salah;

“A defective hadith is one in which a defect impugning its soundness is detected, although it outwardly appears to be free of the defect. That may apply to an isnad made up of reliable transmitters which outwardly seems to fulfill the conditions of soundness. Someone being alone in transmitting the hadith as well as others contradicting him aid in catching the defect.” (An Introduction to the Science of Hadith, p.67)

And when a report or a part of it becomes “shaadh” it ceases to be a sahih (sound) report. For this the definition of a “Sahih hadith” will help.

Hafiz Ibn Salah writes;

“The sahih (sound) hadith is a “supported” hadith (al-hadith al-musnad), the isnad of which coheres continuously through the transmission of one upright and accurate person from another up to its point of termination. The sound hadith can be neither anomalous (shaadh) nor defective (mu’allal),” (An Introduction to the Science of Hadith, p.5)

So merely being “sahih al-isnaad” is not enough for the report itself to be sahih.

Therefore, the very fact that Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah’s narrates differently from five other narrators reporting it on the authority of Ibrahim bin Yazid al-Taymi, makes the narration “shaadh” (anomalous) which is a kind of weak (da’if) reports.

But the trouble with the narration does not end here. Down from Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah, Sufyan bin Husain is also unique in narrating these words whereas the number of narrators down from narrators other than Al-Hakam narrating it from Ibrahim al-Taymi is at least eleven. There is not a single supporting narrator for Sufyan either.

Hafiz Al-Bazzar (d. 292 A.H.) after giving this narration writes;

“We do not know anyone other than Sufyan bin Husain reporting it through the chain: Al-Hakam bin ‘Utayba –Ibrahim- his father- Abu Dharr, while Yunus bin ‘Ubayd, Suleman Al-A’mash and Harun bin Sa’d have also narrated it from Ibrahim.” (Musnad Al-Bazzar- Bahr al-Zakhkhar, under Hadith 4010)

And this is important, not only because it adds more to the oddity of the narration, but also because Sufyan bin Husain though generally considered authentic was also criticized by few scholars. This criticism does not harm his general narrations but becomes significant when he goes out of the way and narrates what other narrators from the same original source do not.

Muhammad ibn Sa’d said about him: “He was reliable (but) he made many mistakes in his narrations.” (Tabaqat al-Kubra, Dar al-Kotob al-Ilmiyya, Beirut, 1990, vol.7 p.227 No. 3417)

Conclusion:

These details make it quite clear that according to rules of reporting it is not right to attribute these words to the Messenger of Allah- on him be the peace and blessings of Allah.

Apparently, the words from Qur’an 18:86 were confused and appended to the hadith that had no link to the ayah whatsoever. The narrator failed to understand the real significance of the verse and the hadith and for apparent semblance he confused the two.

The verse from the Holy Qur’an i.e. surah 18 ayah 86 is simply about how the sunset appeared to Zulqarnain and even the classical Muslim scholars understood it like that."
And as for your claim about our noble prophet's marriage, i dont see anything wrong in early marriage of a young girl, as long as she is mature enough to bear the responsibilities of motherhood. the jews of the old testament didn't see anything wrong with marrying girls as young as three, and no where in the new testament was it stated that a girl reach a particular age before marriage. what is known is that a girl be ascertained to be matured enough, and that depends on the time(age), location, and environmental conditions among others. that is why the marriage age was as low as ten in the US centuries ago,and there are reports of girls getting married at age 9. follow the links for more information. http://www.faqs.org/childhood/A-Ar/Age-of-Consent.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#cite_note-Encyclopedia_of_Children_and_Childhood_in_History_and_Society.2C_A-Ar.2C_Age_of_Consent-1, http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230
may Allah continue to guide us all

2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home."
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"
contradiction
Esther 2:2-4 "Then the king's personal attendants proposed, 'Let a search be made for beautiful young virgins for the king. Let the king appoint commissioners in every province of his realm to bring all these beautiful girls into the harem at the citadel of Susa. Let them be placed under the care of Hegai, the king's eunuch, who is in charge of the women; and let beauty treatments be given to them. Then let the girl who pleases the king be queen instead of Vashti.' This advice appealed to the king, and he followed it."
Song of Songs 7:10-12 I belong to my lover, and his desire is for me. Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages.Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates are in bloom— there I will give you my love.
Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breas.ts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her private area's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."
"How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breas.ts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
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I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breas.ts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)"
all this rubbish said by God

Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals. Deuteronomy 20:16
1 Samuel 15:2-4 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah."
Psalm 137:8-9 "O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us. O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!"
Numbers 31:35-40 {31:35} And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him. {31:36} And the half, [which was] the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep: {31:37} And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen. {31:38} And the beeves [were] thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute [was] threescore and twelve. {31:39} And the asses [were] thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute [was] threescore and one. {31:40} And the persons [were] sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute [was] thirty and two persons. {31:41}
so the judeo-christian god also wants some virgins for himself. randy pagan god

plappville: Are you now the Prophet that wrote Isaiah
? The Jews did not believe, yet it is written in the Prophet of the Old... ah I see, the Scripture was penned down by @tintingz....hahaha: keep arguing Gods word....

"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

bible as word of god my butt. word of a brutal animal is a better description. more to come
"All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)"

wicked and brutal judeo-christian god. this only akin to worshipping a brutal animal, that cant differentiate between small and big, innocent and guilty. more to come

jerseyboy: No Sir. Islam is special.
http://prophetofdoom.net/audio/Prophet_of_Doom_13_The_Pedophile_Pirate.mp3

its not ur fault u r an educated illiterate. It should be ur parents fault cos d trash u spewed reeks of child molestation. So i think moses n joshua r also pirates abi? Mary(mother of god) gave birth to ur 'saviour' at 13yrs. It wasnt uncommon 4 girls2marry at an early age in d past. Even till d nineteenth century in canada d marriage age of girls was 11. B4 u display ur ignorance, i suggest u do a lil more browsing. Ewu

nice. as for haters,read the songs of solomon in the old testament and you yourself would understand that your god is a lil pervert.
{7:7} This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and
thy breasts to clusters [of grapes. ]{7:8} I said, I will go up
to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now
also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the
smell of thy nose like apples;
nasty old jesus god.

[quote author=~Bluetooth]Not without the russians making any concession.the issue here is if Nigeria has anything to lose in case of a diplomatic row with russia but I'm still wonder why people are thinking that russia will attack Nigeria.

Have you also wondered why the lockerbie bomber was released to Ghadaffi by the british ? You know why,libya got the oil and the british needed the oil,so they sort of swap the guy for oil and military contracts and that is how things get done in the international system since no nation is self-sufficent.Syria,iran and other hardline countries have alliance or some sort of treaties with Russia in case of any attack on them,which is why an attack on syria or iran could disrupt world peace.Besides,russia is only withholding her vote with china against possible military intervention in syria.so kini big deal[/quote]al mehgrahi, the lockerbie bomber was a dying man. it was a case of letting him die in a hospital in the uk in less than a year, or transfering him to a libyan hospital to die there, so the uk barely lost anything. since sergei lavrov commented on this issue, it means the russian government is taking the matter seriously, and if all diplomatic overtures fail, they may resort to special operations to extract the men, or eventually large scale millitary incursions. their pride is at stake, and going by the way they regard us black africans, i am sure they wont want to be embarrassed.

ocelot2006: So it's military now. No wahala. First of all, we both agree that Russia is a world power and an energy super power.

But here's a few questions:
-Do you really think the Russians will be so stupid to lunch a military campaign against Nigeria over a bunch of criminals?

-Let's say they intend to launch military campaign, how do they intend to project that military power down to west africa? Please do tell.

-The German blitz of WW2 involved the use of Panzer groups to punch through Europe. Let's say the Russian intend to adopt such tactics, were do they intend to use as a staging ground/base? Benin, a friendly country in a regional bloc dominated by Nigeria, and one with French protection? Cameroun, Chad, or Niger, French satellites?

Why did israel send special forces all the way to angola to release their citizens held there? you think russia is like nigeria where the leaders have no concern for the safety of their citizens? the fact that sergei lavrov has commented on the situation means they are taking it seriously, and getting a launch pad for their attacks i guarantee wont be a problem. the french stood against nigeria during the civil war. i dont think it would be any harder this time around, and in any case they can just send a few aircraft carriers and war ships plus submarines accross the atlantic. the men may be ordinary criminals, but the nation has put its pride at stake. they may just be willing to do anything to protect that pride. lets just pray our leaders do the 'right' thing and release the men.

ocelot2006: Excellent post my brother. What the clowns on NL fail to realise is that we've done way worse, yet the world hasn't ended. Read up on the history of your country's foreign policy. You think the Federal Republic of Nigeria is some ordinary country you can push over? We openly opposed the Americans and UNITA in Angola and provided weapons covertly to ZANU-PF in their fight against the then British supported Rhodesian govt. We also vehemently opposed the Americans again during the 2nd Gulf War. Did the Earth end on all three counts. Yet some fools think that we'll be punished by the Russians for arresting a bunch of criminals. What the hell are they going to do? Send Alpha/vympel or other spetnaz unit to break out a bunch of criminals? Impose sanctions? Abegi..

why is it that libya had to release those bulgarian nurses that infected babies wit HIV? The fact that the powerful sergei lavrov is involved in this saga is a cause for great concern. Do u think cos of ur useless numbers u can witstand a blitzkreig? Chechnya was far mor determined but how did it end up:a russian puppet. It may nt result in all out war but a few punitive expeditions could prove very costly 4 naija. Ignore russia at ur own peril. They r d only reason d west has nt put down syria's Assad.

when yar'adua died and GEJ replaced him were christians not saying it was divine intervention? whats good for the goose is also good for the gander. all your false propaganda would not perturb us.

All these christians calling Islam backward dont even know their religion. Or do you think it was christianity that brought women all the freedoms they enjoy in western countries at the moment. Islam was the first religion to recognize the rights of women, not to treat women only as baby machines. Read some history and get englightened, stop feeding off western media propaganda.

[quote author=bookface]Israel a country on borrowed terms? Are you smoking junk or something? Israel gave a trashing to Syria, gave a trashing to Hezbollah, gave a trashing to Egypt, gave a trashing to Jordan, gave a trashing to lebanon ....show me one country in the entire middle east that can truly withstand Israel's fury? [b]Syria has far better military capacities than Iran [/b]and it can't even stand Israel and you really think there exist a country in that middle east that can?
On the issue of why haven't they attacked Iran, well, it appears that if they choose to do so, you bunch of losers are likely to be the first crying foul on how America goes about bullying others. But get this, if they choose to attack Iran, what is Iran gonna do except wait politely and get beaten? Iran does not even have the military muscle to strike the United States, while the United States have all it takes to ship it's fury anywhere it chooses to. So what are the mullahs gonna do hm?
[quote]Syria is Iran's baby, got that? And as per Israel slapping everybody around, read about the yom kippur war, how Israel had to run to big daddy US for emergency weapons, and how it almost lead to a nuclear war. Also, you may wanna google '2006 israel hezbollah conflict' or follow this link carl.army.mil/download/csipubs/matthewsOP26.pdf, maybe you may stop being bullish. If US wasn't around, Israel would be non-existent.

Zet72: go ask Japan& Iraq there are still crying

So you think US would nuke Iran? Make we see now. If even ordinary Saddam Hussein in Iraq that was already a spent force could engage them for seven years, to the extent that they had to resort to bribing and savagery and still with Britain and other allies assisting them, imagine what a country that has the capacity to possess urainium enrichment equipment and technology would do to them. Let me explain to you the best they can do:
Hope that sanctions drain the country
If after years the government is still intact, isolate them from the international community. Shikenan

hotwax: Which is pagan? Celebrating the birth of Jesus? Or bowing down to the moon god allah in the name of prayer?
See, there is nothing you can say on nairaaland that can change the mind of billions of xtians all over the world.
If u feeling jealous, go sip acid like fanta.
Merry xmas and happy new year and stop crying.

I even went too far.
Between celebrating xmas and using ram and goats blood for rituals (ileya goat), which is pagan?
I see that ileya meat as ritual. It disgust me eating it cuz its ritual to the call.

Uneducated ignoramus. Read your history and get to know how christmas began then you would understand what i am talking about. Oh, wait, I need the 'holy spirit' to understand abi So you mean abel's sacrifice to God was also a pagan ritual abi? mumu. And as per bowing down in prayer, read Genesis 17 1-4. Idiota. See, not all of the bible is corrupted, but some of it. Thats why Muhammad (SAW) was sent to correct all the errors that had been put in it by man. And as per you becoming muslim, all I can do is pray for you. But I am primarily concerned about my salvation. Kapish?http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm, http://people.howstuffworks.com/culture-traditions/holidays/christmas1.htm. These are but a few links to the origin of christmas, so when I say it is a 'pagan' ritual, please dont intrude.

I dont know why anyone would want to participate in that pagan ritual. Because Hollywood is glamorous doesnt make it good. Thats all you need to teach your kids. Infidelity may be highly attractive but its one of the worst of sins.