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Amen. Thank you for those priceless words of hope from the Almighty. I am expectant.

It beats me to imagine that a simple harmless statement to be wary about those that claim more knowledge than the bible can be so blown out of proportion.

Anointing oil is good and can be used in church and I quoted where it was used in the bible, however like every other thing it can be abused. Not referring to anyone else's post on any mysterious thread yet guilt will not allow peace.

@Image,
Very funny.

It's ok Goshen.
I do not need your commendation. I simply stated that it can be abused
Just like every other good thing gets abused.
I left a note to be wary however of those against it's use in other words especially with the scriptures were it showed it's use.

You came along guns blazing that I was referring to you. Fine, it is an issue of guilty conscience worrying you, simple.
The message was clear enough.

@Goshen,
I did not read the thread. I advised the OP to be wary of those who claim to know better than the bible even when the scriptures are clear on certain things.
You came along all wounded, called me silly even when the so called 'religious people' never uttered an insultive and hateful word against anyone.
Seriously I expected much more from you and I am amazed at the level you have been drawn to.

Goshen360:

I know you are referring to me indirectly. The problem with you religious people is that, when someone don't agree with you believe, you tend to be hateful and insultive. On one hand, you make sense when you said, "everything can be abused". On the other hand, you became silly in your final words and being emotional when you said, "...those who claim to always know better than the bible even when the bible clearly states a thing".

Is it the scriptural place of oil am against or the abuse of oil Since you are so spiritual, you should have been able to discern what am against and maybe if you had attempted to answer the questions above, we would have been able to get to a conclusion whether am actually teaching against scriptural place of oil or the abuse of oil.

Hello Goshen,
Take a look at the initial post of the OP:

baseg25: i created a thread concerning anointng service and i mention d use of anointing oil buh sum members of ds gr8 site oppose THE USE OF ANOINTING OIL...

Now note the bold italics.....if your conscience is nominating you as one of those in the group of those opposed to anointing oil, pls do not hold me to it.

This is a classic case of guilty conscience. In order words, you agree you know more than the bible?

I was talking about those opposed to the use of anointing oil in today's church and Goshen comes to face me for 'talking about him'.
And you call me silly?

Goshen, take another look at what I posted slower now and understand what I was talking about.
When you are done confirm if I am talking about those against the use of anointing oil or talking about those who have issues with it's abuse.

@OP,
Going to church is not necessary for salvation. Jesus is the only way to salvation. It is only through Christ that you can be saved. Church is not salvation, Jesus is.
However for some to be saved, they may only be able to hear the words of God in church, if no one preaches to them or they do not study the bible.

After you are saved, it is very necessary to fellowship with the church/brethren. The church is not perfect and that is where you can fit in to teach others by example as well. Also, staying away from church because you are more holy than others will do you no good. Be the example of the believer and it will help you disciple others.

@Op,
The use of anointing oil by the church is very right. However, note that everything can be abused.
Scriptures below show the use of anointing all in the NT.:

Mark 6:13
And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.

This is when the disciples were allocated in twos by Jesus to go on evangelism.

James 5:14-15
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

That is another scripture above on anointing the sick. However note that it is the prayer of faith that heals and not the anointing oil. The anointing all can be a conduit but faith in God and not the oil is the key.


You can also see where anointing oil was used for consecration in the OT and Jesus also mentioned anointing with oil on the head as a sign of honour in Luke 7:46.

I will advise you to be be wary of those who claim to always know better than the bible even when the bible clearly states a thing.

May the Holy Spirit continually teach us all things, that is the best teaching that cannot be condemned and it requires lots of sensitivity.

Per the topic, death bed repentance just like the thief by the side of Jesus can lead to heaven.

However for those banking on waiting till this time before they repent, look at this scripture:

Hebrews 10:26-27

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Anyone who is waiting till the point of death before repentance obviously has some knowledge of the truth.
Repentance should be immediate and the striving to, by the Holy Spirit, work out ones salvation with fear and trembling.
It should also be noted that death can be sudden so repentance is now.

Joagbaje:

I believe if a divorce is backed by God then the couple have freedom for remarriage . Remarriage only becomes wrong when the divorce is not based on good reason

Hmmmmn, do not forget that God hates divorce. God will not back divorce up, He only gave a concession and ofcourse as you said earlier it depends on the individual whether to forgive or not though I am sure God will prefer forgiveness especially if the other party is contrite.

However, I am not of the opinion that it authorises remarriage. And every other scripture confirms this. They are bound to each other as long as they live.
Jesus's words were clear enough and that is why His disciples could say is it not better one doesn't even marry; read in context. It is either you forgive and live with the adulterous wife or divorce and stay unmarried...this is the only thing I presume could make them say is it not better to be unmarried.

Joagbaje:

Its because you asked me for instances.

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To depart is divorce and it takes two people to do that. Of course you're right that the bible advise such step should be initiated by the unbeliever .

Let me paste I Cor 7:10-15 so we can read in context:

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

I think we should try reason why Paul said to the married based on God's command that they should not depart from each other and why to the 'rest' he alludes to the fact, based on his words not God's, that the believing spouse is not bound to ensure continuity of the marriage if the other unbelieving party prefers to depart.

Joagbaje:
Firstly the bible permits divorce on the ground of unfaithfulness . Though it still depends on individual to forgive or overlook

True, but it did not give grounds to remarry either. It simply gave permissible reason for divorce.

Joagbaje:
Secondly , the bible permits divorce on the ground of faith .

1 Corinthians 7:15
But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace.

True again. However note that the topic is about divorcees not marrying again while the spouse is alive.

The bondage here is not marriage as marriage was never described as God to mean bondage. The believer is not bound to hold back the unbelieving spouse form departing if they so wish. The unbelieving spouse may depart but it did not say she/he should divorce him/her.

Joagbaje: @op
It depends . Even though God hates divorce , but there are some divorces God sanction

@Joagbaje,
Pls can we have instances?

@Op,
This is a matter of he who has an ear, let him hear.
I have gone through the bible and indeed it is true that divorcees are bound to the ex-spouses as long as any of them are still alive:



2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
Romans 7:2-3; I Cor7:39


18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.
Luke 16:18; Matthew 19:9...Words of Jesus Christ Himself.

10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
I Cor 7:10-11

Marriage is not child's play at all that is why people should ensure they have the leading of God as they are one as long as they both live. If for any reason one of them commits sexual immorality and the other divorces him or her, they both have to remain unmarried and celibate or reconcile. Simple truth of the matter, our opinions do not count beside God's express command.

Getting angry with God and going to trust in 'man's horse & chariots' instead could cause the loss of the miracle I mean.

uchkochi: BECAUSE NOTHING HAS HAPPENED,DOES NOT MEAN SOMETHING IS NOT HAPPENING. PART 1. Most of the time, God's work becomes glaring and evident at the end, you hardly may be able to see the process and rate the progress.

The reason why God may sometimes hide the process and the progress of the great thing He is doing for you is so that you can act in faith. Once you can see it physically there is every tendency that you may begin to walk by sight. And walking by sight hinders the work of God. 2nd Corinthians 5:7. But suddenly, at the END, it will manifest so big that you and the people around you will know that it is God.

Yesterday, I watched as a movie was being downloaded from the internet, we couldn't see the progress bar to know how far it has gone and what remains, the person with me was even tempted to cancel the download after some minutes, but I insisted that we wait. The moment the download completed,the progress bar became full suddenly. Then God ministered to my spirit, that many miss their testimonies and miracles/breakthroughs, not because He is not working, but because they cannot see the process and measure the progress with their eyes and minds. How true this is, Naaman was asked by the Prophet to go and deep himself inside the river 7 times to be made whole, he didn't see any improvement until the seventh time, if he had stopped at the fifth time then he would have missed his miracle. Hold on to the word of God that you have received, it is working already, it would soon be evident.

Thanks. The illustration is apt.
Sometimes just a little patience would solve so many problems of man. I would add that many people miss the progress because apart from not seeing the level of progress, they then forget God and trust in 'chariots'.

I can relate to the experience you described and I pray that the Lord will keep you blameless by His grace.

@joe4Christ,
Well captured message. Grace is often misconstrued. Grace is the long-suffering nature of Christ, His unmerited favour and His enablement to live holy. This is what I see grace as. Not liberty to sin as it is often termed.

Kenyan 28:

I read everything though. When there is need to post, so I do.

@Kenyan,
Please do not stop believing in the healing power, Christ through His stripes, gave to you. As you once said, by His stripes you were healed. He Himself took up our infirmity and carried our diseases.
No man can heal you except God and that you know.

That is the reason why I was wondering why you were changing what you believe based on those words you once spoke.
I pray you receive the healing that is yours and Jesus Christ will further make you whole.

On another note, I have long read that coconut oil has great anti-viral effects especially against HIV. It will be nice if you read more about it online and apply it if you decide to.
Cheers.

Zikkyy: though you continue to support pastoral fraud that the bit you need to work on.

Zikkyy:
If you must know what fraudulent activities i think you support, i will tell you tithe is one of them.

Zikkyy:
Your problem is you don't read, and when you do, you have difficulty understanding it. Nowhere on NL will you see me calling tithe a fraud.

, All in the same breadth...see inconsistency. Oh you mean tithe is not a fraud but tithe 'activity' is?

Zikkyy:
my reference to you supporting pastoral fraud was meant to refresh past memories but it appears you keeping grudges

Zikkyy: ..and you think i care if you tithe or not.

Someone refreshing my memory yet doesn't care if I tithe or not. Then he says I keep grudges,guess its obvious who keeps it now.

So Zikky, all this is about tithe. Something I never brought up in any of my posts here or the other thread, you simply brought it up. I am here engaging Kenyan, you bring tithe up, I was on that thread discussing Christ fulfilling the law, you came here talking about tithe.
This your obsession and concern for tithe is really bringing out the worst in you. You are petty.

You cannot even engage me without discussing tithe. You do me no favour by what you think of me as that is the least of my worries, I didn't suck up to you in anyway, I believe the word. Simple. Say whatever you want to say my friend, it doesn't change a thing. Your opinion doesn't count beside God's word.
Do have a pleasant night. Cheers.

Zikkyy:

.....and is 'activities & behaviors that portray pastors in bad light' different from pastoral fraud?

So why did you need to change it? I only asked you to name them.

Zikkyy:
If you must know what fraudulent activities i think you support, i will tell you tithe is one of them.

Oh and here we go again. Get a life, you do not tithe, I never told you to tithe, you already know my stand on tithe which hasn't changed, my posts on tithe on the respective threads are there for all to see. My my, so you are still holding unto this?
If tithe to you is fraud (Something no scripture ever said but Zikky, with all the bible says about it) so be it. I tithe and thank God I can. I am not your buddy in your anti-tithe campaign,so if that is what is paining you, talk am o.
This your obsession with tithe that you do not do is pathetic.

Was even thinking he wanted to bring out how I supported fraud from this thread, the guy is bringing up tithing issues?*smh
They claim not to tithe but yet have no rest over it.

Zikkyy:
Why. i think you have not changed? I'll refer you to Jaogbaje's thread "The Law Has Been Abolished". After reading your posts on that thread, two things came to mind; either you don't know what you are talking about or you are desperately trying to protect a fraud inspired teaching. I chose the latter on the belief you have evolved.

Ok, everything I stated there had all the scripture back up. Jesus never abolished the law, He fulfiled it so that we too can righteously fulfil that law through Him. Now Zikky says otherwise, so who do I believe? Definitely the word. Every other thing pales to insignificance. Get it.

Protect fraud inspired teaching about tithe again? Like I need the law to explain tithe. Of all the laws Jesus spoke about, your only concern is tithe. Mehn Zikky, you got big issues.

It is fully obvious to me now that the issue with you guys is that you oppose the word, but because you cannot do anything to change it, you fight the messenger.
No one is answerable to anyone but God and His word is my confidence and defense anytime.

@Yommyuk,
Thanks for this message. Very reflective.

Zikkyy:

though not expressly stated, the tone of your posts still suggest you are ever willing to support those activities & behaviors that portrays pastors in bad light. That's what i meant.

I will ask this question just one more time: What 'activities & behaviours that potray pastors in a bad light' (It has suddenly changed from pastoral fraud) do I support by the 'tone' of my posts and quote examples?
Thank you.

Zikkyy: @snowwy, how are you &what have you been doing to ya self? Been reading ya posts. You came back more matured, bit more confident, though you continue to support pastoral fraud that the bit you need to work on.

@ Zikky,
Lol. I have been good o.
Ehn, is it me you psyched to this level?
Indeed, I see your sense of humour remains. The word of God is my confidence.
Support pastoral fraud? Where, how? I only support God's word and I am objective. I don't do petty sentiments & bandwagon followership here. That I know you know. So please tell me the pastoral fraud you see me support? That is a strong allegation which I do not take lightly.

nuclearboy:

What I "cannot" finish? Since when did I become someone that starts and doesn't conclude?

Do NOT blame her, simple! And do NOT infer that she lied because she was following a script carefully laid down for her from which the "only" loser was herself! She was used, manipulated and pushed to the wall by your idol, oyakilome and his gang of unfunny thieves!

If you wish to know how far I am willing to go with the TRUTH, its your play!

No, I will still advise you not to start what you cannot finish, even surprised you can respond to me again after our prior discourses .

You called her a liar boldly yourself and other immature insults when she initially posted years ago. Now suddenly you say she was telling the truth & you are concerned for her welfare and acting like you care meanwhile you simply are gloating and using her as a weapon for your selfish end.
On one hand you say she was a liar then suddenly you say she was telling the truth as she knew it. See two-facedness yet you claim you want to go far with the TRUTH.

Not once did I blame her for anything. Redirect that advise to yourself based on all you posted up there and stop this hypocrisy. My Idol? You make me laugh, open your eyes and read my posts, I can see you talk just because you want to move your lips.

Keep your assumptions to yourself, till she comes to tell everyone she was put up here to say what she said. Stop putting words into her mouth. You are putting her up to what she didn't say, exactly what you claimed she was put up to.


@Kenya28,
I noticed you no longer responded.
Listen to me, you came here years ago saying you were healed and it was by your faith in Jesus Christ and when you returned again, you said you could not deny you were healed but what you were diagnosed of came back. The next thing you said was you were not healed at all. I will advise you take a position. I decided to engage you strictly based on what you posted. How have all you said to the people that called you names helped you now? Did anyone of them even say a prayer for you?
The same Jesus that you have faith in is the one that you should be talking to now. There is no point trying to hold a grudge or be bitter against anyone because it will not help you and left to me I see no reason to afterall you clearly stated it is Jesus that healed you.

May God's will be done in your life and may His mercy prevail to make you whole indeed. Greetings to your family.

nuclearboy: Kenyan28 was telling the truth as she knew it to be then! acting under a suggestive atmosphere that utilized her fear of death, pain etc and worked on her desire for self-preservation, she was ready at that time to slap the Almighty physically if that was what CE told her would achieve her "healing"!

In effect, she was "hoping" and living in denial at the same time! Let's not even consider the placebo effect already discussed earlier!

All the current ideas meant to make her look faithless, an ingrate and now a liar (who lied than and thus cannot be believed now) as evidenced just above whist seeming sympathetic, are cruel, malicious and do not show any charitious feelings!

I would advise you do not even start what you cannot finish.
So if you want to address me then address me and don't try to copy my post on one hand then use ambiguity at the same time.

@nuclearboy,
Yes I am talking to you, be bold enough to face me.

My first post on this thread has explained why I posted what I posted. I said I cannot begin to imagine her anguish and wish her well and said a prayer for her and you say it is malicious?

@Kenyan28 is only answerable to God who she claimed healed her in her first posts with all her attempts to explain that it had nothing to do with any man of God but her faith while attending the Healing school.
If she returns to say otherwise then I wonder why you are acting as her spokesperson and advocate all because you hate a particular church which could be any church, would you do same if it was your church?

She enjoyed health for months something that she herself said never happened before, after her diagnosis.

She herself now said there was 'no healing at all', so whatever caused what she experienced that she called her healing through faith can only be explained by her, you were not there. So stop showing hypocritical sympathy just because it has to do with a particular church you hate, OK?. Be objective.

@OP,
Very true write up.
May we not abuse the grace that Jesus Christ has given us, to walk in the commands of the Father through the Holy Spirit, by sinning and may those that have left the narrow way receive mercy to come back to the right path.

2 Peter 3:15a

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;

This particular scripture ministered a lot to me. This is simply Grace which can also be seen as Christ's long-suffering nature so that all can come to repentance. It is this Grace that people are yet to understand and thus they have the 'I don't care' due to the delay you spoke about. Thanks Bernimoore.

Goshen360: Snowwy,

Sure a long time. Sure you are good.

Very true to the fact you advocate the continuous practice of the law. I don't always like dwelling in much argument with you most time. One good thing about scripture is you can quote to establish a certain truth which am sure you know. When I quoted the "Gentiles who do not have the law" is to confirm the fact and truth that Gentiles Christians were NEVER under the law. Gentiles was included into God's redemption plan after calvary. So the Gentile Christian were NEVER under the law of Moses as it. Also, when the bible says these Gentiles who do not have the law do by nature what is in the law is the truth of doing things though in the law but by natural instinct. The law had ended my brother, we are no more under law but under Grace.

Goshen,
Hope the hurricane damages are being cleaned out over there.
It is well with you guys o.
No you cannot like arguing with me because I use the scriptures and you cannot argue that.

John 1:17

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

The law was given by Moses but Jesus brought the grace to fulfil that law and understand the truth in the law. The law never ended, we just received God's help to do it through His Son. It was not trade by barter.
Jesus came with grace to suspend the consequences of not doing the law so we can understand the essence of the law and have enough time to repent that is why you see things like 'the handwriting of ordinances against us, the letter of the law etc'. That is why whoever abuses this grace will be punished.

Th bible advocates the fulfilment of the law only through Christ Jesus, and the scriptures I pasted above have said it all.
I never said we are under the law, just as you said, we are under the dispensation of grace. When people say grace it is like they don't understand what it means.

Romans 6:14

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Under the law sin had dominion over the people and that is where the law of sin and death came into play. Now we enjoy the grace of God of forgiveness of sin because we repent. Grace is no license to sin and how do we know sin, by the law, so Says Apostle Paul below.

Romans 7:7

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet

In the OT to know if you are righteous you must do the law, in the NT Christ makes us righteous but to ensure we remain so and not sin, we need to know the law of God so saying it is abolished is not true.

That is why even the Gentiles through conscience know that law, it is not natural instinct.

But grace overrules the authority of sin, giving power to obey God’s law. This is the effective reason that we are not under the law’s guilt and condemnation.

Ephesians 2:8

For by grace are ye saved through faith;

Romans 3:31

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law

Grace is only through faith in Christ and as the scripture above said, that faith establishes the law.

The law points out sin, and grace saves from sin. The law is the will of God, and grace is the power to do the will of God. We do not obey the law in order to be saved but because we are saved. Simple.

Revelation 14:12.

“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

This is what I have been trying to say. God's commands work hand in hand with the faith of Jesus.


It took alot of personal study for me to understand what Christ meant when He said He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it.

So Bro if you are convinced with what you believe based on the scripture and the Holy Spirit has guided you in all truth very well, stand by it and I stand by mine as the scripture speaks for itself.

Goshen360: @ Snowwy,

Context is one of the key to understanding the subject of law especially when it relates to Grace. For instance, when scriptures say, "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" - John 1:17. This verse didn't differentiate what kind of law it is, it was taken as a whole because the whole package of law was given by Moses. Also, when it says, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" - Romans 10:4.

If Christ or the manifestation of Christ IS THE END of the law, simply means the law had ended. If you are trying to teach Christians back to continue to obey the law (of Moses), I think you should start with the example of some hard laws in the Torah and I can give you some examples of some laws to keep. Also remember, if you break one of those laws, you are guilty of all.

Hi Goshen, long time.
Just saw this, I missed it. It is the very same context that would have been nice if you had quoted the whole Romans 2:14-15

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

I noticed you only highlighted 'Gentiles which have no law' but you failed to mention that they were not given any law but they do what was in God's law. Simply the law is written in their hearts. And the bible confirms it.

Paul Himself said 'For I delight in the law of God after the inward man'.



You further quoted:

"For Christ is the end of the law FOR righteousness to everyone that believes"

Is it not obvious, Christ is the end of the law FOR righteousness for those that believe because the law will not make you righteous, CHRIST WILL. Pick the entire sentence in context. It never said Christ was the end of the law, Christ was the end of the law FOR righteousness.

You can only truly obey God's law in Christ. Anyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ but does all the laws is not righteous.

Romans 8:3-4

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Context, law was not abolished but was fulfilled in Christ Jesus and the only way to fulfil God's laws is to believe in Christ Jesus, for flesh cannot fulfil God's laws, only those that walk in the Spirit.

Romans 3:31

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Goshen, that is the context.

truthislight:

you are only taking this Ins from one side to enable you carry some of the laws of the Abrahamaic convanant into the new convanant.

As you start carrying over this old covanant laws also dont forget to carry over animal sacrifice, or you will also say that the gentiles were not doing animal sacrifice also.

Again, dont forget the sabbath law that paul said that no one should judge us in the keeping of the sabbath.

This is what trying to justify Tithing for christians does.

Try to understand the essense of my post. I wonder what is so scary about tithe which I never brought up in this discussion, why make everything about tithe?
This obsessesion those that do not tithe have is really pathetic especially when they claim to give much more.

Please let us discuss the topic.

I do not understand what you mean by the 'laws of the Abrahamic convenant', there was no law in the time of Abraham.

The scripture is simply talking about what Christ abolished that created enmity between the Jews and Gentiles. The law of commandment contained in Ordinances, things they werw specifically commanded not to do like not marrying outside the tribe of the Israelites, the circumcision, the foods they could not eat like pork, purification before eating. These are some of the ordinances.

There were specific commandments that the Israelites received (examples given above), that they held unto and saw other nations as unclean and unfit for God. They were commanded to set themselves apart from all other nations by those ordinances.

That was the enmity that Christ's coming brought to an end because Christ abolished the enmity, which is the law of commandments contained in ordinances as simply as it said.

Gentiles also did sacrifices to their gods, I have not seen anywhere in the bible that says that Jews were distinct from other nations because they were commanded to do animal sacrifices.
If you still do not get what I am saying then let's let it be o.

Kenyan 28:

There was no healing at ALL.

Ok. So all that you posted before on being 'healed' wasn't actually true?
I pray the Lord heals you and your baby and make you whole then, by His mercy.

okeyxyz:

Every content of the law before the coming of christ is absolutely abolished, so that you should not have a conscience of it, like saying: "emm.., ok, some parts are abolished, some parts are still in force.., "

That's why it is the "old testament".

Very untrue. Only the the law of commandments CONTAINED in ordinances. The righteous requirements of the law were fulfilled in Jesus Christ so we follow the law of God after the spirit and not of the letter only. This was what the Israelites of old could not do. The law was just a rule book to them and they could only follow it by the flesh basically for fear of punishment and not really out of love. In Jesus, you are able to fulfil the righteousness God intended through the law.

A clear example is using your seatbelt in Lagos, many drivers feel the law is hard for them to follow so they use ropes and other funny strips so they do not get caught by the law enforces. Those that understand the true meaning of the seatbelt and how it can save lives in the event of a collision will use the belt front seat or back seat because they understand it is for their own safety.

But I will not get into much conversation on it, as there are lots of topics on that and some I contributed.

@Okeyxyz,
There is no argument here. We are just understanding it in our own ways.

The 'law of commandments contained in ordinances' is what was abolished and not the law of God. These are two different things. It is these ordinances commanded that requires an expose.

@Kenyan 28,
I cannot even begin to imagine the anguish you may be feeling right now. I stumbled on this thread years ago when it was still new and posts here by some people had made me wary though I later came to realise that the posters were people that just had an issue with that church. I do not attend the Christ Embassy church or went to the Healing School but I am usually amazed at the disposition, boldness and always bubbling nature of their members.
I was also amazed at your testimony of healing and I pray the Lord makes you whole, just like the 10 lepers that were healed but only one was made whole.

That said, I was wondering what was going on again on this thread when I saw it was again on the first page so decided to click. I was again surprised at the few comments I could garner sinces you have deleted alot of it.

I decided to go back to your testimony pages to actually get a feel of where all this is coming from.
From pages 18 to about 21 (the few I have been able to be patient enough to review), you clearly stated (based on your quotes) it was Jesus that healed you and the Pastor did not even touch you before you got your healing. You declared you are a woman of faith and all. You said you did a test though some posters advised you to do more than that and you have been symptom free.

Since you said you were clearly healed before any touch and you believed it, that it was Jesus that healed you and faith at work I wonder why it seems you are back with vengeance against the Healing School and Christ Embassy. I can see emotions are high but I think you should go back to those scriptures that made you believe this healing and call on God for explanation.
IS your grouse against the scriptures you believed in, or the fact that you now have issues with the healing school, or that your hopes were raised by your attendance?

I do not know or have any hypothesis on why you or your baby have now been diagnosed again though your husband isnt't but at this point whatever you experienced then can only be explained by you and as such I advise you go back to the 'drawing board' of God's specific word to you and re-claim it.
It is well.