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Ilamina:
sucks

All this hardwork and suffer on earth

Just to go back to the ground, that would suck

I can't imagine not living

Death is just an illusion...

We are spiritual beings having a human experience..

At "death" we just return to our default state.

Our body back to earth and our spirit back to God waiting for another experience.....

We are eternal beings...

Ken4Christ:
The Bible gives a vivid description of hell but you don't want to believe it because of your preconceived opinion about it.

Most of Jesus messages and parables were centered on hell.

If you don't believe it, you will when you get there but it will be regrets upon regrets.

I know Jesus never existed,

What concerns me with what they said he said?

The code of Hammurabi far preceded the bible by more than a thousand years .
The Torah was written by Ezra....not Moses as the maximus said...
Even the Enuma Elish came before the bible was even thought off...

It was never ever meant to be believed..

It was meant for us to know......

Spiritual truth..

Ken4Christ:
God has abolished the law of Moses.

The Torah was written to protect us from worldly religions, false gods, idolatry, wickedness, unclean food, sicknesses, false prophets and to keep us from lawlessness. It can never be abolished and done away with or old..

Ilamina:
very much interested

Ok..send DM me your location.

The exact location...

Only One bullet will just do the job.

Your sawdust brain will just scatter all over the ground..

So instead of looking for a good rabbi to teach you guys the Torah, and learn to keep God's commandments. You guys are arguing over Roman paganism and propaganda....

When Una wan wake up and smell the coffee?

Jesus is a Roman Catholic creation.....

The Torah is the way, the truth and the life...there is no other way to please God than to obey his laws and commandments.....

Ilamina:
no Time for humanity

Time for heaven

You want to go now..

I know somebody that can make it happen today...

Are you in?

Prosper1912:
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You should have just said that the whole bible is a myth then we will understand u better.

It's an oracle..

So everything is allegorical/metaphorical.

We read it and learn the messages in them..

I don't think he died from the poison he ate 3 years prior...it is not possible.

He died in Aisha's chambers. I think he was killed by Abubakar and Aisha, so he can become the next calliph....or leader of the Muslims..I think there was a prophesy to that effect..

Ken4Christ:
God has abolished the law of Moses.

Hmmm really..

When ?
When did God abolish his laws...
When did God say he would send his son to abolish his laws?

(I need old testament quotes)

Ken4Christ:
There are different laws. I am talking about the law of Moses given to the Jews. Christ has abolished that law and there are overwhelming experiences in the scripture that affirms it.

Every law Moses gave to the Israelites was given by God.

So again, I ask

Who has the power to abolish the law given by the creator of heaven and earth?

Why would God send his son(sic) to abolish his laws if by your argument they are one (trinity)

Does it make any sense to you?

Abdulgaffar22:
Unlike other animals, our special ability to distinguish between good and evil rest on our ability to think consciously with our brain. But if no one carefully design our brain for the purpose of thinking and our thinking is just a by-product of some activities carried out by unconscious and irrational atoms that make up our brain, then how can we be sure that our mode of thinking (and therefore our ability to distinguish between good and evil) is RIGHT or WRONG ?


Therefore, if evil actually exist in this world (as we perceived it), then we can never use it as a basis to disprove the existence of God because our peculiar ability to CONSCIOUSLY, CORRECTLY and OBJECTIVELY distinguish between good and evil at FIRST INSTANCE necessitate the existence of God.

Hence conjunction of "actual evil" and "atheism" is impossible.
In other words, you cannot believe that evil actually exist and at the same time disbelieve in the existence of God.


Therefore, the conclusion is to ask an inquisitive question like "what are the reasons why God allow evil to exist ?" and the conclusion is NEVER to ask a challenging and atheistic question like "if God really exist, then why does evil and suffering exist ?"

The reason(s) why God allows evil to exist may not be fully known to us as human being but we can still use our limited knowledge and wisdom to fathom some of these reasons ;

1. In many events, there is always a rule and exception to the rule. The element of good is more in the creation than the element of evil. We all see that there are more people who are healthy than those who are sick. There are more that eat well then those who starve to death. There are more people who live decent life then those who commit crimes. Therefore, in this present world, goodness is the rule while evil is the exception to the rule.


2. Many things in the world are naturally created in pair ; male and female, light and darkness, day and night, hot and cold, life and death, truth and falsehood, original and fake etc and the existence of one presupposes the existence of the other. So similar case applies to good and evil. Of course, if there is no evil, we would not fully comprehend what is known as good just like if there is no falsehood, we would not fully comprehend what is known as the truth. So good and evil exist as necessary pair of creation just like truth and falsehood (or light and darkness) exist as necessary pair of creation ;

And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful (Qur'an 51:49)


3. This world is deliberately created to be a temporary life of trial and imperfection and therefore expected to be a mixture of good and evil ;

"Everyone is going to taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and with good, and to Us you will be returned (Qur'an 21:35)".

This is in contrast to permanent and perfect life in the hereafter where all goodness and enjoyments would be kept absolutely in the Paradise and all evil and suffering would be restricted completely to the Hell fire ;

Everyone shall taste death. And only on the Day of Resurrection shall you be paid your wages in full. And whoever is removed away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he indeed is successful. The life of this world is only an enjoyment of deception (Qur'an 3:185).

In summary, it is the ultimate will of God Almighty for good and evil to mix together in this temporary life of trial as opposed to the next life of eternity where good and evil would be completely and permanently dissociated from each other.
Therefore, a century of struggling and suffering in this temporary life would be insignificant compared to an eternity in Paradise—a place free of all forms of evil and suffering . In the authentic prophetic report, this very issue is addressed ;

…Then the most miserable people in the world from the people of Paradise will come on the Day of Resurrection to be dipped into Paradise, then it will be said: O son of Adam, did you see any hardship? Did you experience any distress? He will say: No, by Allah, my Lord! I did not once see any hardship, I did not once experience any distress.


4. Natural evils (like inferno, earthquake and tsunami) sometimes exist as a kind of reminder of the greater evils awaiting the sinners in the hereafter ;

"And verily, We will make them taste the near torment (i.e. the torment in the life of this world, i.e. disasters, calamities, etc.) prior to the supreme torment (in the Hereafter), in order that they may repent and return (Qur'an 32:21).

That is to say, if God Almighty can even make the innocent souls to suffer in this temporary life, then how can He allow the sinners to scot-free in the permanent life to come ?


5. Moral evils (like adultery, theft, raping and murder) exist to allow human beings to exercise their God-given "FREE-WILL" which made it possible for them to either obey or disobey God as opposed to Angels who are naturally created to always obey God (Qur'an 66:6).



6. Natural evils are sometimes direct consequence of moral evils committed by human beings just like God Almighty declared in the Qur'an as follows;

"Evil has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned, that Allah may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return by repentance ( Qur'an 30:41)"


7. What humans perceive as evil may be actually good in light of God’s Wisdom ;

"it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is evil for you. God knows but you do not know (Qur'an 2:216).

For example, consider the story narrated in the Qur'an where Khidr's act of scuttling the ship of a poor people with a axe later turns to be a good act because there was a king ahead who always seized every good ship from its owner by force (Qur'an 18:69-82)

Everything is in other apart from number 4..
Which renders all you point useless...

Aside that, it is basically on point..

In summary, evil exist as a learning tool...

The Jews worship the creator of heaven and earth, who the yorubas call Eledumare, the Igbos call CHUKWU, the Egyptian called Ra, the Babylonian called Marduk, the Bini's call Osanobua, the akwa ibom call Abassi...

Same being different nomenclature
Different exoteric stories...

Same spiritual truth...

elated177:
How does one seek YHVH Almighty, the Owner of the Scriptures that you quoted?

He is right there within you...

Search your heart..

Ken4Christ:
The law of Moses was never God's original plan for man. It was put in place to regulate the life of the Jews until the fulfillment of his promise comes to pass.

God's plan is for us to live by faith. This is why Abraham was credited with righteousness just because he believed God.

However, there is a law of moral principles of life which existed before the law of Moses was given. And that law is placed in our conscience. It enables you to know what is good and bad.

But the law of Moses has been abolished by Christ because it was killing the Jews in their thousands.

You have not answered my questions.

Again,
Who has the power to change God's laws?

Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'” (John 14:6 NIV). “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5 NIV)

But God says:
"For I know the thoughts that I think towards you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. And you will seek Me and find Me., when you search for Me with all your heart.

I will be found by you, says the LORD, and I will bring you back from your captivity... "
Jeremiah 29:11-14a

We have direct access to God, we don't need any man to contact God for us...

Ilamina:
I always imagined it to be inside a cave with fire

Lol..

Please oh, stop imagining things.

Use your imagination to lift humanity forward...

What happens after death is anybody's guess..

Prosper1912:
Okay Oga nelidee
Can u present a better performing group that outstand jw teaching.

Pirate confraternity

The story says he was executed...he is not the first innocent man to die....nor will he be the last. (If he existed).

That alone is enough to convince me that he is not the Messiah.

The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk. Marduk is the son of Enlil and the creator of the universe....

Kobojunkie:
If you are referring to the Law of Moses, which is also the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel, it was to establish the State of Israel and bind the people of Israel to the Land which was chosen by Him, the Land of Canaan. That Law is forever and so is the Kingdom which God created using that Covenant.

You have spoken right this time...

I thought the devil was the one telling people to sin and disobey God's commandments, I never knew it was Paul(Christians)...

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:6
But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

The Jews who were given the law of Moses have been delivered from it because it brought curses to them instead of blessings.

Now, you want to carry the load they couldn't carry. You go kill yourself ooo.

Who has the right to abolish God's laws?

Ilamina:
endothermic

Explain...please.

Ken4Christ:
Why not calm down and learn. The op is very correct in the points he has made so far.

Because you are co idolators...

Continue..

Ken4Christ:
Which of the Law? If you are referring to the law of Moses, it has been abolished.

Lol..very funny.

Who has power to abolish God's laws..?

Go on tell me..

pressplay411:
Perhaps the most intriguing difference between the Old and New Testament is the Way of Righteousness.
This invariably leads to the understanding of Grace and Law.
Before there was ever Law, which came through Moses, certain people walkef righteously before God. Notably Abel, Enoch and of course Abraham and Moses walked in the way that pleased God.
In fact, Abraham showed that He Believed God and it was accounted to Him as Righteousness. Genesis 15:6
So why was the Law given?
What then is Grace and why was it given?
Does Law eliminate Grace? And has Grace eliminated Law?

The law was given to mankind to enable us live in peace and reduce chaos and have a good relationship with our creator...

Psalm 119 is a long love poem about God's divine laws...

God grants his grace to those who upholds his laws not does who believe in human sacrifice...

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not have your eyes, head and all to read the Bible for yourself and come to a right and True conclusion?

"According to" is hearsay evidence and hearsay evidence is not acceptable as Truth generally.

When and where did God say or written that God will send his son as the new convenant in the Tanakh (OT)?

pressplay411:
I've been there, trust me. May be not at the same level as you.
If you don't mind me asking, did you receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit back then?

You are asking me about pagan practices....

I don't involve in those...
I only follow my creator and his laws, I don't add to it and I don't substrate from it... baptism whether with water or any spirit was assimilated from Mithraism...
When I turned to God, I realised who I am and my duty on earth..I don't complicate things..

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no difference save that the first report lays the beginning of the world and the last report covers the end.

According to who??

pressplay411:
I have invested very little compared to a lot of people. I've doubted, backslided and even strayed away.

I believe I've answered you already.

Whenever you're truly ready to find the Truth, you'll pray to God with an open, humble and repentant heart.
It's easier to do so today, cos truly tomorrow might be too late.

I did so and he told me to stay clear of idolatry..

I am doing just that..

I prayed to God. And he opened my heart, there is nothing about Christianity or new testament I don't know. I was an alter server and two time secretary of the cyon in Benin city.

So when I encountered God. He opened my eyes to the paganism in Christianity. He adviced I keep the laws and when I failed I should sincerely ask for forgiveness and he is ever ready to forgive.. and that his mercies endures forever....and if he has forgiven, he has forgiven, he does not need the blood of humans or animals. That those belong to the realm of Lucifer .What he desires is a contrite heart..
And also that we are all his children and he loves us dearly..

He alone is God..and there is no one beside him..

pressplay411:
If there is anything I would like you to take from our engagement today, it's to respect other people's beliefs.
I won't shove mine down your throat, I can only explain why I hold my belief.
And I respect yours. There is a reason you hold your belief too.
However, wisdom is justified by her children (results).

Shalom.

Kpele..sorry oh..ejoor.

You are just finding it hard to accept that Jesus is a Roman empire creation..

Probably because you have invested your whole life on it..

My dear jesus is a fictional character created by Rome to deceive gullible people and you fell for the scam....

God gave humans laws to keep and follow so that we will live in peace and enjoy our human experience. End of the day our bodies return to the earth, and our breath returns to God who owns it ..

pressplay411:
I understand you. And you are very right.
It is the same reason the Jewish leaders (Pharisees, Saducees, Scribes) rejected Jesus Christ, and still reject him till date. (Only few Jews believe in Jesus Christ.)
Because searching through the scripture- Law and Prophets (Tanakh/Talmud/Torah) it was not clearly stated. And for a good reason.

Truth is, it is a Mystery. It is spiritual.
Had it been clearly stated, the devil would have known God's redemption plan for man.
Satan would not only have ordered 2 year olds to be killed like Herod did, he would have made sure Jesus Christ never suffered or died to fulfill and accomplish His spiritual victory.

To begin to see it in the Old testament is simple, Only when you believe in God and Jesus Christ his only begotten Son. That explains why a Christian believes it completely.

John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Continue in your delusions..

When the time comes for you to wake up to the fabrication you will. But now continue to wallow in your believe in absurdities...