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budaatum:
You are very much welcome to the product of buda using buda's own heart and soul and mind and all other senses to ask and knock and seek for buda's self instead of relying on "plenty iteration of Christianity".

So, does this entails me believing a woman gave birth without a man's sperm ?

budaatum:
You are very much welcome to the product of buda using buda's own heart and soul and mind and all other senses to ask and knock and seek for buda's self instead of relying on "plenty iteration of Christianity".

You have not said anything....hope you know that.

budaatum:
I don't think the people who occupied the area on a map of today known as Nigeria read much in say, the 1200s. We Yorubas didn't until Arabic arrived and Portuguese much later. If you mean Arabic/Islamic education, here's some very early Nigeria writing though.



Below is Egyptian and Greek for comparison.

How do these disprove the fact that the virgin birth of Jesus is not pagan in origin?

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

The Jewish Teaching on the 613 MITZVOT is false.

There are more than 613 Commandments in THE TORAH.

I have attempted to go into detail, and give reasons showing why they are lying about the number of Commandments in the Law, and, more importantly, who these people really are- they are not who you think they are!

But I was censored.

Can you list the ones they missed out?

KnownUnknown:
The Jesus character was not created in Nicea. It was created in the same place that spawned Moses’ “Elohim”.

What do you think Moses/Levites were doing if not uniting people under one religion?

If Jesus was created, what makes you think your precious Jewish god wasn’t?!

Lol...so funny.

I am not Jewish. I worship my creator, we igbos calls him chukwu. The jews calls his Hashem....
I only discovered that our igbo omenani is almost the same as the Jewish religion. We both recognize the existence of other gods like Amadioha, Ekwensu just like the jews too who mentioned the names of some of them too. And we both believe in one creator God. Who is not a man or human being and can't be liken to any thing that exist. He commanded us to come to him directly. To ask for pardon and forgiveness by confessing and forsaking...human sacrifice is a taboo and abomination to him....

In the entire old testament there is just no where God says he will send his son as a sin sacrifice. No where.

So simple answer is that the Jesus story has got nothing to do with the jews. They have been saying so from ages past..

A simple research will reveal that Christianity started as the worship as serapis...the change was made at the Council of Ephesus.

budaatum:
“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a person understands it, they hide it again, and then in their joy went and sold all they had and bought that field." Except in the days the Christian texts were written there was no copyright laws.


I wonder how many people would have heard of Roman/Greek mythology if not for their Christian education that taught them to read.

What do you think?

I have found it and have been teaching you and MaxInDHouse about it , but you lot have been so blind and brainwashed that you can't even see. I did not even hide it. It was meant for all men...don't I deserve some praise..
No, they have been intelligent people before the Jesus character was created in nicea...the only purpose was to unite the empire under one religion...

budaatum:
Yes. All of it. Perhaps you meant Christians that you know?

Christianity is about reading a book and exercising your mind so you grow and develop and evolve.

It is written that when you do exercise your mind so you grow and develop and evolve, greater things than he is written to have done would you do.

Which part of the gospels or epistles did you get this idea from. Or is it a new age religion?

Because none of the plenty iteration of Christianity holds this view.

Enlighten me.

NNTR:
When God asked Abraham to sacrifice Issac to Him, what do you make out that?
Also what was Isaac being alluded to in that narrative?

It was one of 10 tests God gave to Abraham to prove he was worthy of the call. Nobody was sacrificed. God provided a ram.

Smh, you're green, wet behind the ears and just coming up, loll.



_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Meaning I am saying the truth.

Tallesty1:
I was unconscious for several hours and I can tell you categorically that there's nothing there. It's total blackness with no knowledge whatsoever.


You will know alright when consciousness slips out of you. In my own experience, I knew when I hit the ground and I accepted what was coming. I was like so this is it. That's all.

It was total blackness, I had no idea that I am existing, or had existed or that I am living being or spirit.

I knew nothing until I started feeling cold and then I woke up.

I love this....thanks.

Reminds me of what I read somewhere .."Let us make man in our image after our likeness.......the bold clearly comes to mind...

MaxInDHouse:
The post you're replying to was meant for MindHarker9000 so are you sure you're not the same person?

No am not...I am this moniker and 22jumpstreet.

It only shows people are beginning to see through the scam.

MaxInDHouse:
You have all the time in world to preach what you know so i wish you luck as you go to make disciples for your God!

Lol..you will come round...I know you are eager to learn. But I can sense fear..

Don't let it rule over you..

NNTR:
The proto evangelium (i.e. Genesis 3:15)
- from portmanteau Greek word, 'protos' and 'evangelion[/i]', where protos meaning '[i]first' and evangelion means 'good news' or 'gospel'

Isaiah 59:16
He saw that there was no one, He was appalled that there was no one to intervene;
so His own arm achieved salvation for Him, and His own righteousness sustained Him.

I can give you more from where those two names from, but them two should suffice to sweeten you up enough, loll

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

What is this? Why do you people like taking texts out of context, how are you going to understand the full gist. ?

Read the whole of Isaiah 59 and stop being lazy.

And come back and tell me it is not talking about Isaiah himself.

NNTR:
I didnt think you will, loll.

That your contribution betrays how you havent proper nor correct knowledge on the subject you opened the thread for.

I've already done

That when you left Christianity you jumped out of the cooking pot into the fireplace, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Please quote old testament passages where God said he will send his son as a sacrifice to him. I will wait. I don't want conjectures or your opinion. Just show me the passages I will read them myself...

Thanks in advance

MaxInDHouse:
Your definition of God and idolatry differs from mine, so what you're seeing totally differs from what i'm seeing.
At least you have MindHacker9000 and others around you as for me i belong to the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses body and soul!

Can a 10 years old definition of air be the same as a 400 level chemistry student? Never.
It is same with you and me. I am telling you that Jesus is an idol as defined by the creator in his Torah you are saying it is a lie. Hmmm who has blinded you?

"Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them"....
Jesus is a man, something that is found on earth. He is an idol. What ever he says or represent has got nothing to do with the creator. Why is it difficult to understand??

NNTR you make a grave mistake my equating jesus(a Roman idol) to God the creator of the universe. Desist from such idea...Before he smite you.

There is only one creator, he only gave us laws and commandments to keep and when we miss the mark(sin) he ask us to confess and forsake and he will forgive and restore. I don't know where you got the idea that a human blood sacrifice was required or necessary...

Where did you get the idea in the Tanakh?

MaxInDHouse:
The Romans ruled over them but the Jews were agitating claiming they're not supposed to be ruled by pagans.
So when Jesus came they believe he supposed to use his God's given powers to free them under Romans dominance but Jesus was just preaching and teaching the people about a kingdom that will not begin operation quickly.
That's why they schemed to make the Roman governor Pontius Pilate sign the execution of this innocent man.

Sanni Abacha killed Ken Saro Wiwa, when we all know he was innocent. Assuming Jesus was real and innocent killing him shows he has got nothing to do with God. God Messiah must accomplish what he has ordained for him to accomplish. This fact alone should convince you that Jesus is a nobody. God never said anything about a second coming. Paul never said anything of such. So you might have to rethink your beliefs.

  

You don't get it.
Read Matthew's account of Jesus' genealogy @ Matthew 1:1-16 then compare to Luke 3:23-38 you will notice that it was only form Abraham to David that both had the same names but afterwards the lineage changed because both Joseph and Mary descended from David in Bethlehem Ephrata!
As for the law at Leviticus 18:6 Joseph and Mary can't be regarding as blood relations any more since they not from the same father or mother.

But genealogy is ONLY transferred from father to son. How is Jesus related to Joseph? You always try to find a way to make sense out of nonsense...lol

MaxInDHouse:
The problem you and i always have is the way each of us interpret what we read in the Bible.
I can't impose my own interpretation on you to which i'm entitled.
So hold onto your own interpretation while i hold onto my own, no wahala!

Really?? MaxInDHouse how, really.

Nah, why are you holding on strongly to what is wrong and unprofitable in God's eyes.

Come back to his Torah..
If you are scared you will loose your family and friends . God will send you good ones. I am always here for you. I can even give you my phone number and Facebook ID. But first thing first, come out of idolatry.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is how vacuumy and so far evil you are such that you do not recognise God's Words at all.

You believe he is going to burn people forever in hell fire, something he never said or even imagined.

And I thank God you are not his adviser.


So I am safe.

NNTR:
John 3:16-21
16“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world,
that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son,
so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17For God did not send the Son into the world
to judge and condemn the world. [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world],
but that the world might be saved through Him
18Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged
[for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation];
but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord]
is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced],
because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God
[the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him].
19This is the judgment [that is, the cause for indictment, the test by which people are judged, the basis for the sentence]:
the Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20For every wrongdoer hates the Light, and does not come to the Light
[but shrinks from it] for fear that his [sinful, worthless] activities will be exposed and condemned.
21But whoever practices truth [and does what is right--morally, ethically, spiritually] comes to the Light,
so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are--accomplished in God
[divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence on Him].”

Nope, you didnt miss any bit, loll, you did get it bang on the money, that salvation basically in the Christian religion, is believing that God the Father so love the world that he sent God the son so that man could shed God's pure blood as a sacrifice by God the son to appease God the Father, for God the Father to save man...

Your introduction post, not only feebly tried to wreckognise, loll, God's powerful performance executed winning formula plan of redemption, salvation and reconciliation of souls back to Him along with in view, bringing to end sin, sickness, poverty, diseases, misery, weeping, poverty, oppression, discrimination, inequality, unfairness, and even the last enemy, death, but worse on, went on to twist God's powerful performance executed winning formula plan of redemption, salvation and reconciliation, as to be, that anathematised Constantine invention aka Christian religion, loll

Learning expands the souls. You have quite a lot learning to do brother. In thinking you're damaging the character of God, you damage your own. First missed step Adam did with his character, loll.

Remember on the DeepSight other thread, when I said that 'so wouldnt a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles know where to start'? Well, the thing about the chameleon is that, it tries changing its colour to match the skittles, not knowing that the skittles dont change colour to match the chameleon. loll. There'll be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I bet you'll sooner or later, again, say Shalom, without knowing that there can be no peace without understanding. loll.

Now underline the following closing words, loll. If you and DeepSight or any other person(s) for that matter too, disbelieve - indeed, God is free from need of you and the other partners in cahoot with you, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

I could not make heads or tails of your post.

What are you talking about.
Can you quote old testament passages to support your view or Christianity POV.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are as moronic as you have always being else you would have known that, that statement is also futurely implementable.

Lol..shows how unintelligent you are....

You are not God.. so whatever evil you Harbour or believe won't come to pass..

MaxInDHouse we have laid to rest the issue of Isaiah 7:14 and 9:6. Why do you keep bringing them up? They are not messianic texts.

In the case of 7:14 the sign was for king Ahaz, it was to assure him that his kingdom will stand the threat posed by Syria and the northern 10 kingdoms. In any case it was almah which simply means a young woman probably Isaiah's concubine .the child in question belongs to Isaiah.
I don't know why you want to pass it off as a messianic prophesy . It is not..

That of 9:6 I have showed you the original Hebrew verse that Isaiah wrote and we saw it was referring to future king Hezekiah. He was already born when Isaiah was prophesying. Please learn to read texts in context and not in isolation. Nobody is a kid here.

Even the passage in Genesis is not a prophesy. I wonder who God was prophesying for? When did God become a prophet? I just wonder how you see these things. God was dishing out judgement on the man, woman and snake. Nothing more.

You learly don't really know anything...as much as you think you do.

Dtruthspeaker:
If you are so dim sighted that you do not see that all whom you think are dead, are not dead but only sleep and that men have not died the death which God decreed, that is your own emptiness.

it is after all your own existence and living you choose waste and not mine.

You are really a dummy..sorry to say

God said from dust you where made and to dust you shall return. What else did he say...

BeLookingIDIOT:
I keep wondering what exactly is the connection with this paganic nonsensical bullcrap with Judaism which it claims to stem from.
The two religions are polar opposites.

They are . The romans added the so called NT to the Jewish tanakh to make it sellable. Just so they can sell it to gullible people..

orisa37:
What really is your Problem? Are jealous of JESUS being The Best Documented of all Miracle Births?

JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS IS THE ANOINTED CHARACTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTEOUSNESS.


WE HAVE MANY RAPED VIRGIN BIRTHS IN NIGERIA THAT ARE UNSUNG.

Yea...well documented myth...

Back to the matter...

What is Christians idea of salvation

Dtruthspeaker:
Your Choice!

We are all going to die one day....nobody is leaving this planet alive. But before it comes I am enjoying it by following the laws and commandments of my creator. Not believing absurdities like you.....

Grow up man. You are not a dummy.

Why ?Apostle Suleman?
I will give money toy wife and side chick.

I get good knacks from both.

The deep anxiety of Christians is often revealed in their desperation to convince themselves they aren’t just new-fangled pagans who stole everything from other religions. The virgin birth is a classic example and the fact-challenged ill-logic of trying to deny.

Other pagan deities were also born miraculously of virgins, making the birth of Jesus nothing new in the history of world religions. Horus, Osirus, Mithras, Dionysus, Krishna, and others all fit this description. In fact, as it is often claimed, there are also heroes and historical figures like Ion, Romulus, Asclepius, and Alexander the Great who were believed to be the generation of gods and virgin women.

Or Joseph might just be the father..

Naahhh, it's all roman/Greek mythology..

DeepSight:
There is no such word as this.

Don't mind him.

He is trying so hard to be smart. But deep down his scrotum he knows the idea is bull shiit.

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong!

Christ Followership 101 is "Turn Away from the Roads that lead to death!"

Which road does not?

Go only gave us the Torah to enjoy life before it comes..
Not waste it believing absurdities...

Basically salvation in the Christian religion is believing that God the Father so love the world that he sent God the son so that man could shed God's pure blood as a sacrifice by God the son to appease God the Father , for God the Father to save man..


Did I miss any bit?

Signs and wonders do not prove that Jesus is divine, a messiah or part of a triune god. Signs and wonders (miracles as well) are worthless. All religions claim them, just do a search on the internet for Muslim or Buddhist miralces and you will see this is true.

Just because someone can produce a "miracle" does not make them a god or worthy of even being "followed." G-d allows fakers (magicians) and false religions to produce miracles to test their faith in Him. See for yourself: do a quick internet search on Muslim miracles or Buddhist miracles. . . you will find just as many as for Christians or (fill in the blank). . .

Someone asked me "without signs and wonders how will you know the messiah from his birth?"

No one will know who the messiah is from his birth -- because in every generation there lives a man who COULD be the messiah if we were ready for him. The messiah will be a servant of G-d (as was Moses), the glory is G-d's. . .not the messiah's!

As Torah tells us people can fake both signs and wonders -- and even when they are not faked they are often tests from G-d to see if we can be faithful to His Torah. Reread D'varim / Deuteronomy 13 where G-d tells us that He lets false religions have miracles and such to test your faith in Him. Every religion on the planet can claim miracles and "firsthand saving power" including pagans.

The Rambam wrote "the signs that Moses performed and why he performed them, and that he did not do so to make the people believe in him.

1) The Children of Israel did not believe in Moses [solely] because of the signs he presented, for someone who believes [in a prophet solely] because of the signs he presents is tainted, for it could be that his signs are performed by means of spells and witchcraft.

All the signs that Moses performed in the wilderness were done so according to the needs of the moment, and not to bring proof to his prophecies. There was a need to sink the Egyptians, so Moses split the sea and drowned them in it; the Children of Israel needed food, so Moses brought down the manna for them; they needed water, so Moses split the rock for them; Korah and his followers rebelled, so Moses opened up the ground and they were swallowed up.

The same principle applies with all the other signs. It was the assembly at Mount Sinai that made them believe in Moses, when our eyes, and no-one else's, saw, and our ears, and no-one else's, heard, and Moses drew near to the darkness, and the voice spoke to him, and we heard it saying to Moses, "Moses, Moses, go tell them such-and-such". In connection with this it is written, "The L-rd talked with you face to face", and it is also written, "The L-rd did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us". From where is it known that the assembly at Mount Sinai was the proof that the prophecy of Moses was true and that he was not speaking basely? It is derived from the verse, "Lo, I come to you in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you for ever". From this we see that prior to the assembly at Mount Sinai their belief in Moses was not one that would have lasted for ever, but it was a belief that left room for discussion and thought.

2) It would transpire that those people to whom a prophet is sent are witnesses that his prophecy is true, and he need not perform any other sign, for them and they combine to form one unit with respect to this matter, in the same way that two people who saw the same thing together combine as witnesses, for each of them is a witness that the other is speaking the truth, and need not bring [additional] proof to back him up.

So it was with Moses our Teacher, that all of the Children of Israel were his witnesses after the assembly at Mount Sinai, and he didn't have to perform for them any signs.

This is what G-d said to him at the time when his prophecy started, when He showed him what signs to perform in Egypt: "And they shall listen to your voice". Moses knew that anyone who believes [solely] because of signs is tainted and will be doubtful, and expressed a reluctance to go by saying, "But behold they will not believe me"4. G-d told him that these signs will [continue to be performed and] applied only until they had left Egypt and assembled at Mount Sinai, whereupon any doubt will vanish, and also assured him that [at Mount Sinai] He will give signs that Moses had been sent by G-d in truth from the [very] beginning, and that no doubt will remain.

This is what Scripture says: "...and this shall be a sign to you that I have sent you; when you have brought the people out of Egypt, you shall G-d upon this mountain". From this we learn that any Prophet that came after Moses is not believed solely because of his signs to make us think that if he makes a sign we should listen to everything he says, but [is believed] because of the commandment of Moses in the Torah: "...to him you shall listen", if he gives a sign. Just as we have been commanded to decide a matter according to the testimony of two witnesses, even though we do not know if his sign is Divine or achieved by spells and witchcraft.

3) Therefore, if a prophet arose and performed great signs and wonders, and tells us to deny the prophecy of Moses our Teacher, we do not listen to him, and we [will] know for sure that his signs are the result of spells and witchcraft. The prophecy of Moses was not dependent upon signs, so the signs of this prophet cannot outweigh the signs of Moses, for we saw and heard them, just as he did. This is similar to two witnesses who bear testimony that a particular person did a particular thing in front of them, but he is not like they say he is, so we do not listen to them and we know for sure that they are false witnesses. Therefore, the Torah said that if a prophet comes with signs and wonders, we do not listen to him, for he is coming to deny that what we saw with our eyes. Since we believe in wonders only because of a commandment of Moses, how can we accept a sign that is brought to deny the prophecy of Moses which we saw and heard?!"