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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 9:41pm On Jan 10, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Jeremiah 31:31-34

Read and start fighting with the scriptures!

Did you read it to the end?

Why do you like taking text out of context ..

It is still about his laws. He is going to write it in theory heart. Nobody will go from house to house to teach it...common you are not daft..

There is no "God son" dying for sin..

You really amaze me...

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 9:36pm On Jan 10, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't believe in the Messiah then why talking about what you don't believe?

I am drawing your attention to the fact that Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah . And that he is just a character created by Rome....

So if I can get you to stop believing bull shiit, I will count it as a gain..

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ: God's Special Gift to Humanity by sonmvayina(m): 9:32pm On Jan 10, 2022

reallifegospel:
@sonmvayina
it seems most likely...

Lol

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 9:31pm On Jan 10, 2022

elated177:
I only worship the creator of the universe and obey only his commandments as contained in the Torah and omenani ..

I don't worship any one else...expercially a jew that was nailed to a cross...

Sonmvayina, are you in support of what budaatum said above?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 9:29pm On Jan 10, 2022

elated177:
If you are still confused, sonmvayina, here is the full post from budaatum. You didn't respond to his assertion. I am interested in knowing what your thoughts are bordering on it --- especially the bolded portion in the second paragraph.

I said the Messiah will lead people fo the worship and reverence of one God. The creator of the universe...Not necessary through Judaism..yorubas refers to the creator as Eledumare and the igbos as chukwu....the yorubas will worship Eledumare and the igbos will worship only chukwu ONLY.
Eledumare =chukwu = marduk = Hashem= creator of the universe...

Christianity Etc › Re: Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy To Invent Jesus - Official Version by sonmvayina(m): 2:06pm On Jan 10, 2022

Christianity started as the worship of serapis...

The transition to Jesus was formalized at the Council of Ephesus...

https://www.nairaland.com/6766026/jesus-serapis-truth-finally-revealed

Christianity Etc › Re: I Spent 990 Years In Kingdom Of Darkness - Mummy GO, Funmilayo Adebayo by sonmvayina(m): 2:00pm On Jan 10, 2022

This woman is not well....

Somebody should take her to hospital..

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 1:55pm On Jan 10, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Who asked you to believe in a Jewish Messiah?

I don't believe in any Messiah
.

Have you not been following me since..

I said I only follow God's laws as contained in the Torah..

If God looks kindly on us and sends us the Messiah and he brings peace on earth. I will very much love it...

God never told any one to believe in the Messiah.

I am only interested in the end of wars and oppression he will engineer..
He is not God neither is he divine in anyway..and he is coming just once....

So what are you on about?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 1:51pm On Jan 10, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
You and i have been through this several times but for the benefit of other followers:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

“Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, so that seasons of refreshing may come from Jehovah himself and he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus. Heaven must hold this one within itself until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old. In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’ Act 3:19-23

It's impossible for anyone to believe without a messenger, Moses served as God's messenger who mediated the first covenant so the Jews must believe in what Moses said before they can truly claim they believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

In the same manner it's impossible for anyone to believe in the second covenant without Jesus. So whoever tells you he believes in the first covenant through Moses but disbelieve the second covenant through Jesus can continue waiting for another Messiah.
But i assure you today that there's no way anyone can unite the whole world without first coming to establish a global training program which Jesus of Nazareth commissioned in the first century.

I believe the first covenant through the writings of Moses and i equally believe the second covenant through the gospel about Jesus of Nazareth!

Which second covenant? From who?

Where??

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 1:49pm On Jan 10, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
There are few questions i have for you with all these your write-up.

If truly you believe in the Messiah and that the Messiah is coming to unite the whole world by teaching everyone to understand God perfectly. What will become of your REINCARNATION?

Will everyone reach Nirvana since the Messiah who supposed to be a perfect master train everyone to become perfect?

Death is actually the last enemy....

She will be destroyed...she is a deceiver..

Christianity Etc › Re: Strange Times , Vision Of UFO Invasion And Angelic Intervention To Come by sonmvayina(m): 1:47pm On Jan 10, 2022

LordReed:
Until what?

It starts happening

Christianity Etc › Re: GOD Forgave The People Of Nineveh Without Waiting For Jesus' Crucifixion by sonmvayina(m): 1:42pm On Jan 10, 2022

[quote author=AABBIIMM post=109199113][/quote]Nobody dies..

"He shall prolong his days....."

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. Isaiah already told you who the servant is in 41: 5-9..look it up..

Christianity Etc › Re: What Happened To The 12 Apostles? by sonmvayina(op): 11:00pm On Jan 09, 2022

In the NT, Jesus names 12 apostles to spread his gospel, and the early Christian church owes its rapid rise to their missionary zeal. Yet, for most of the Twelve, there's scant evidence of their existence outside of the New Testament.

The apostles should be twelve of the most famous people in history. We're told they were hand picked by Jesus to witness his wondrous deeds, learn his sublime teachings, and take the good news of his kingdom to the ends of the earth.

Which makes it all the more surprising that we know next to nothing about them. We can't even be sure of their names: the gospels list a collection of more than twenty names for the so-called twelve disciples – with Bartholomew sometimes showing up as Nathanael, Matthew as Levi and Jude as Thaddeus, Lebbaeus, or Daddaeus!

It should be apparent that if the twelve were actual historical figures, with such an important role in the foundation and growth of the Church, it would be impossible to have such wild confusion over the basic question of who they really were.

In Apostle: Travels Among the Tombs of the Twelve, author Tom Bissell sets off to discover whether the Twelve Apostles were actual historical figures or merely characters in a fictional story. On the way, he walked for 500 miles along the Camino de Santiago pilgrim route in northern Spain, visited the place where Judas Iscariot reportedly hanged himself, and hunted in vain for a mysterious monastery in Kyrgyzstan where the bones of the Apostle Matthew are believed to be buried. It’s a journey full of false starts, dead ends, and unsolved riddles that leaves him as perplexed as when he began.
There’s nothing historical that verifies their existence other than the gospels themselves .

According to a medieval map from Spain, Matthew’s relics were buried in a place called the Monastery of Armenian Brotherhood, which was believed to be on the shore of Lake Issyk-Kul, this beautiful body of water in the middle of the Kyrgyzstan Mountains. A Russian archaeologist claimed to have found it in 2006, but there had never been an Armenian monastery there, only a 19th-century Russian monastery.

The fact is that for seven of the twelve, our only early source, the Gospels, say nothing about them at all. They are just names on a list.

Isn't it a tad odd that such worthies, infused with the Holy Spirit and given powers to heal the sick and cast out demons, wrote nothing, or had nothing written for them or about them? Isn't it odd that men chosen to be eye-witnesses to the mighty deeds of Jesus, wrote no eye-witness statements, left no sermons, no memoirs, no letters, no teachings, no pithy words of encouragement?

All that we have about "the twelve" are conflicting legends and fantastic stories from a much later date, tall stories about where they went, what they did and most especially how they died but no facts to corroborate.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 3:35pm On Jan 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Who asked you to believe in a Jewish Messiah?

Did God ask anyone to believe in somebody other than himself in the old testament?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 3:34pm On Jan 09, 2022

Clear Undisputed Prophecies About messiah, Who he will be and What he will do

* messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon, not Jeconiah, through his human biological father. Genesis 49:10, 2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6; Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Jeremiah 22:30, 36:30, Psalm 89:35-37. Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son Numbers 1:1-18.

J-s didn't have this genealogy, he didn't have a birth father from the Tribe of Judah, in the line from King David and Solomon, not Jeconiah. He had a virgin birth according to Matthew and Luke. And even if he didn't have virgin birth neither genealogy in Matthew 1 or Luke 3 can produce a King to be the Messiah. In Luke 3 the genealogy doesn't go through Solomon as required and in Matthew 1 the genealogy is rejected because it goes though Jeconiah.
II Samuel 7:12-14, I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6, Jeremiah 22:30,36:30.

* When Messiah is reigning as King the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24. This didn't happen, the Jews were dispersed widely after the death of J-s.

* When Messiah comes the Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and sin sacrifices will be fully instituted Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:26-27, 45:17-46:16; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21. The Temple was destroyed after the death of J-s.

* When Messiah comes there will be Worldwide Reign of Peace and complete end to war Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18. There are still wars upon wars.

* When Messiah is reigning as King all of the Jewish people will observe Torah Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27. Everyone is not obeying Torah the world is filled with rebellion to the Most High.

* When Messiah comes all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true Elohim Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9.

* J-s didn't fulfill any prophecies about Messiah. He didn't have a human biological father in the royal kingly line, the Jews have not ingathered from their exile, the third Temple has not been rebuilt, there is not world wide peace, there is still war, all the Jewish people are not observing Torah and not all people are serving the Most High.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 3:33pm On Jan 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Who asked you to believe in a Jewish Messiah?

I don believe any one except my creator....

I am only showing you that Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah.

I am not Jewish

I am not Christian...

Christianity Etc › Re: Strange Times , Vision Of UFO Invasion And Angelic Intervention To Come by sonmvayina(m): 2:28pm On Jan 09, 2022

LordReed:
You are getting really deep in conspiracy rabbit holes.

It's always is....until..

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 2:27pm On Jan 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i believe in Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah promised in the Bible. He must unite all the people in the world but there must be a global preaching and teaching to get all people fully prepared for coming King.
Jesus' first coming was to commission a global training, even John the baptist had this same misconception you're having right now. When John was arrested for saying what's right he expected Jesus to come and rescue him since God spoke from heaven to confirm Jesus when John baptized him. So when Jesus didn't take any action after John's arrest John sent his disciples to go and ask Jesus:

“Are you the Coming One, or are we to expect a different one?” Matthew 11:3

So there's no way the Messiah can unite OBEDIENT humans globally without first commissioning a global preaching and teaching program Jesus of Nazareth did in the first century.
Today it's yielding positivity globally, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (Jesus' true disciples) are uniting obedient people throughout the world using the Bible to erase politics and racism from their hearts just as God's word foretold. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

I know you believe in the Jewish Messiah, your knowledge is inaccurate because God's word foretold that the Messiah will unite all obedient people first but only humble people who have love for righteousness will respond positively that's why Zephaniah the prophet said:

"before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the LORD’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the LORD’s wrath comes upon you. Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’s anger" Zephaniah 2:2-3

So whoever tells you to remove Jesus of Nazareth from the scene must explain why the Messiah who never came to establish a training program can convince me that it's the word's of the Jewish God i must obey and not that of the gods of my ancestors!

Who asked you to believe in "Jesus of Nazareth "?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 2:58pm On Jan 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
You and i aren't saying the same thing!
You've not answered my question, why must the Messiah be a Jew and not Yorùbá, Nigeria from Africa?

The Messiah is a Jewish king...the tanakh is a Jewish book. I don't really know what you are expecting.

Their book their story...has got nothing to do with me.

IFA belongs to the yoruba ...you won't find any mention of jews there...

Christianity Etc › Re: GOD Forgave The People Of Nineveh Without Waiting For Jesus' Crucifixion by sonmvayina(m): 2:55pm On Jan 08, 2022

Sections of the Tanakah speak of animal sacrifice for the redemption of sin, other places within the Tanakah reveal ten other forms of atonement that do not require blood at all. Four types of atonement not requiring blood are found within the first five books of the Bible. In addition to animal sacrifice, flour is an acceptable type of atonement if one is too poor to offer turtledoves or pigeons.
Repentance, fasting, justice and judgment, mercy and truth, hyssop, and finally, obedience are all examples of atonement in scripture, and none require the blood of either animal or humans as a payment for sin. The Hebrew Scriptures add no credence to a need for a crucified messiah that one must believe in to be saved.

Incense atones for the sins of false accusations Numbers 16

Flour is an acceptable sin sacrifice
Leviticus 5:11

The one-half shekel shall be offered as atonement per soul Exodus 30:11-16

Gold from battle to make atonement for the soul, memorial Numbers 31:50, 54

Turn from wicked ways, pray, humility, God will forgive 2 Chronicles 7:14

Confess sin to God and he will forgive your iniquity Psalm 32:5

Let the wicked forsake sin, return to God who will pardon Isaiah 55:6-7

God saw the people of Nineveh turn from evil & forgave Jonah 3:10

Purge with hyssop, wash me, blot sins, create a clean heart Psalm 51:6-10

Justice & judgment is more acceptable than sacrifice
Proverbs 21:3

By mercy & truth iniquity is purged Proverbs 16:11

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Christianity Etc › Re: GOD Forgave The People Of Nineveh Without Waiting For Jesus' Crucifixion by sonmvayina(m): 2:54pm On Jan 08, 2022

Amos 3:7 "God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet.

So which prophet did God reveal that somebody must believe in a crucified Messiah in other to be saved?

Ans : Nowhere, God hates and abhors human sacrifice. It is an abomination to him. He has already given his solution to sin in 2nd Chronicles 7:14 and some other places...

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 2:41pm On Jan 08, 2022

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 2:40pm On Jan 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Why the digression to Jesus again?
This is what you typed:

The highlighted caught my attention, that's why i asked you:

Why must the Messiah to save the world come from the Jews?
Why not from my own tribe Yorùbá?

Then you said:

So i asked you who is David? And what business do i have with him? because i will prefer my saviour to come speak my own language and most especially born from my own tribe just as you have Obi Azuka!

We are saying the same thing ..

The idea of a Messiah is Jewish in origin.

In my place we just know they are king and accord them due respect.

The Messiah the jews are talking about, the one God promised to send them is supposed to bring peace between them and their neighbors. Build the temple and resume the daily sacrifice to their God.. because of his righteousness, the entire world would be infected with his good life and peace will gradually come to earth. USA and the likes will turn their war arsenals into ploughs and tractors....no more wars and oppression of any kind.

I really would like to live in such a world. Who wouldn't?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 1:17pm On Jan 08, 2022

elated177:
Are you the owner of the write-up?

Yes....

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 1:17pm On Jan 08, 2022

elated177:
Putting it succinctly, very demonic assertion. Now, what say you?

I don't know what you mean ?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 5:05pm On Jan 07, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Who is David?
What business have i got to do with him?

Nothing...he was a Jewish king.

The Jewish Messiah will come from his blood line.

According to the jews.
Jesus has no father according to the story. So he is not from anywhere because genealogy is only transferred from father to son.
So my argument is that Jesus can't be a real human being, he belongs to Roman/Greek mythology...

What you say?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 12:47pm On Jan 07, 2022

elated177:
A very occultic teaching.

Very occultic (hidden) from the masses.

Christianity Etc › Re: Strange Times , Vision Of UFO Invasion And Angelic Intervention To Come by sonmvayina(m): 12:45pm On Jan 07, 2022

Teslason:
Who knows when?

The elites

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 12:43pm On Jan 07, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Why must he be a Jew and not Yorùbá?

He must be from the tribe of Judah.. line of David..

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 12:41pm On Jan 07, 2022

elated177:
You didn't answer the question.

Which is/was ?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(op): 10:52pm On Jan 06, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe in the coming of a Messiah?

If you do what exactly connected you to the Jews and not a Messiah from your own race or any other race for that matter?

The Messiah spoken about in Judaism is an ordinary human being like you and man. Born under the law means having a father and a mother. His main mission is to bring peace to the earth. He will usher in an era of world peace. No more wars and oppression of any kind. He will teach the entire earth to revere only the creator( Not necessary Judaism). Thise has not happen, so the jews are still waiting..
A Messiah simply means anointed king. I have one in my village now called Obi Azuka the second.

I am not Jewish and I don't practice Judaism. I only show that Judaism and Christianity are two different religion and ideology.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Possible For Someone To Believe In God But Not Believe In Religion? by sonmvayina(m): 10:42pm On Jan 06, 2022

Every human being is entitled to a relationship with the Creator. The deepest yearning of the human soul is a desire to connect to the Creator. The only true possession that remains eternally yours is the relationship that exists between you and your Creator.

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