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Hashabiah:
People who say there is no hell are just deceiving themselves. Logical speaking , if there were no hell then what's the point of Jesus death? Mtchwww

There was never any need for Jesus. None at all. The story didn't originate from God. God never said anywhere in the tanakh that he will impregnate another man's wife to sire a son who will be killed as a sacrifice to him...the romans created the story and added it to the Jewish scriptures as an insult against the Jewish God who happens to be the creator of heaven and earth.

The jews told you in Genesis that man is made up of Gods breath and dust of the earth. When God takes his breath the body experiences death. When he sends it a soul or life is formed. Read psalm 104:29-31 for further proof...

I don't know why or when God said he will send his breath or spirit to hell...

I don't know why?

Kobojunkie:
There beliefs and yours are similar...when all your claimed beliefs run contrary to that which God decreed in their case?

You understand God and His Old Covenant Law of Moses? The same agreement you believe God to have falsely claimed to belong only to those of Jewish birth in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20?

Again, why bother about a one you have clearly made known you have no care for?

Read my post again.

Kobojunkie:
You, having an intelligent conversation?

You understand God and His Old Covenant Law of Moses? The same agreement you believe God to have falsely claimed to belong only to those of Jewish birth in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20?

Again, why bother about a one you have clearly made known you have no care for?

I don't practice Judaism.

I am not Jewish.

I only quote their laws and prophet because their beliefs and mine are similar. We believe in one God creator of heaven and earth.

But as for your Jesus who never existed. I wanted to exertain the level of your ignorance that is why I asked.

You know he might be a fictional character as the circumstances surrounding his birth follow all Roman/Greek mythology but is absent in Jewish religion.

You are doing a runner.
Because they did not mention your tribe in their holy book, you decide to worship an idol. A smart person would go back to his or her roots and heritage. But not you. You want to follow Jesus..
It is their holy book, if they write that they are God chosen people. It is their business. It does not concern me. I follow my culture and tradition.. I don't care about what you think of it. It is mine. I am super proud of it. I am not a lost soul like you following a foreign ideology like you. The history of which I know nothing about..
The earlier you accept that your Jesus is a fictional figure the better your sanity returns...


Kobojunkie..

MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus commissioned this movement known as Jehovah's Witnesses today our first century Jewish brothers in Christ kept wondering how the movement will fare in later times when they're all gone. Jesus reassuring words is that God's Holy Spirit (Active Force) will continue to guide his own true followers till the end so that the PEACE he brought will continue to reign amongst them. John 14:26-27

So no matter what you think in your mind against pure worship you will be confused when asked to table your grievances because you will start contradicting yourself in a bid to condemn the Christians.
Note how you've been accusing me of being intolerant whereas i tolerate all school of thought as long as you're not hurting your neighbours. After our long discussion you have come out to prove before everyone that it's you that's intolerant towards your neighbour simply because of his beliefs!


I said "those USELESS Jews infused hatred for Jesus and his disciples in your brains" because that was exactly what was recorded about the Jews back then! Act 4:18; 5:28
I just hope you'll learn to tolerate everyone around you no matter what they say about their God or beliefs since they're not posing a threat to anyone!

Hope you are not anti sematic..?


God never told any prophet he was going to impregnate another man's wife. Why should they listen to anybody who says otherwise. Except you are saying God lied to them...

MaxInDHouse:
There you go again!

I don't think you know what you're saying, if everyone has what it takes to be good then why are we locking ourselves behind burglaries and high fence?
Well it's Jesus that led me into knowing how to cohabit peacefully with my own neighbours so go and assist those making life miserable for their fellowman at least you can start from there. I am OK at least from the standpoint of every sane human, don't worry about my Jesus that doesn't pose a threat to anyone!

You really don't understand what God is and is not.

God can because of your sin of idolatry and those who join you, punish the whole of Nigeria. His ways if far above ours...

MaxInDHouse:
I appreciate that difference since we can both live peacefully without hurting each other after all there is difference everywhere the major problem is how to cohabit peacefully with our neighbours, if our difference doesn't make us think alike it's OK i can associate with people with whom i share the same line of thought "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"
I hope there is no crime committed nah!

No crime...if you actually witness for jehovah..

And don't associate literal son to him

Or him impregnating another man's wife

Or him asking for a Ransome. By a human sacrifice.

Those idea are nauseating, that's just what I think you are not doing right.

MaxInDHouse:
If they're truly peaceful and helping people in their neighbourhood to become peaceful they would have reached my place before JWs did!

Buddhism has been there far more than 400 years before Jesus was born yet nobody knows or heard of Buddha in my home town and villages. But JWs are everywhere! Act 1:8

Surely spirit pass spirit!

There is only one actually .

I embodied the totality of it.

Which entails knowledge of both good and evil (Isaiah 45:7) and lamentation 3:38 ....

Not just only God that you are expressing ...


That's the difference between you and me.

MaxInDHouse:
If it's guy Taze why not form yours and let's see the result?
This is what i've been telling you all these while.
Go and form your own or point to a better performing group, instead it's insult all the time. I believe in God, i honour my parents, i don't steal, i don't commit adultery, i don't long for other people's possessions, i do everything my God says but you keep saying i should leave all that to do what exactly?

You don't need to be in a group to do them

You don't certainly need Jesus in the mix.

God gave us all those already. He placed both good and evil in front of us, we are expected to choose. But he encouraged us to choose good..

No Jesus

No group.

One human being at a time.

MaxInDHouse:
The problem here is you don't know the result of idolatry in the midst of those practicing it.
So you can call any religion that doesn't agree with your thinking "IDOLATRY"
Instead of calling a religion names intelligent people think about the result in the society.
You said what humans need is a system where we can cohabit peacefully and i present what is working out fine among Jehovah's Witnesses but instead of talking about the result which you first preferred now you're going back to blind arguments.
Idolatry can be any RELIGION including yours but EVIDENCE is what we need not assertions.

So do you think ..Buddhist who peacefully follow Buddha and creating peace in their society are on the right track?

MaxInDHouse:
JWs have been since the time of Abel, Satan kept intercepting pure worship and devastating the gathering of those practicing it. When Jesus came in the first century he told us that Satan will still devastate pure worship once again {Matthew 13:25} but that will be the last time because by the time he (Jesus) return he will recognize his group never to be devastated again, that's the time people throughout the world will see the glory of God's son as adherents of pure worship will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4
So JWs have been there all along {Hebrews 11:4-32; 12:1} but it's in our generation that Jehovah's word is fulfilling as we connect ourselves globally teaching ourselves the laws of our God and living like one family! Zephaniah 3:9

Lol...was it not guy Taz or whatever his name is that formed the watch tower group that layer became Jehovah's Witnesses?
Just quit lying and being dishonest.

MaxInDHouse:
Well if you don't SEE a difference between a group where there are no street beggars and the group where millions are begging in the streets, then you don't know the type of God i love to worship because no worshipers of my own God will beg in the streets, that's a promise fulfilled:

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. Psalms 23:1

I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. Psalms 37:25 KJV

You can now resort to insults as usual!

I am not asking you to judge..live that to me. Because I asked the question.

What us the difference between you religiously following your idol and what he says

And a Muslim religiously following his prophet and his God and what he says?

I just want you to understand that it is not about belonging in a group with ignorantly following what the group says. But actually obeying God's laws which entail forbidden of idolatry...

MaxInDHouse:
The difference is i have a global family of peace loving worshipers who will never raise weapons against anyone and that i can vouch for anywhere in the world that if i'm stranded they will treat me like a brother in their homes. Muslims have millions of their brothers and sisters begging in the streets throughout the world all because they are stranded!
That's what Jesus promised me that no religionist on this planet can have! Mark 10:29-30

Almagiri is part of the Muslim religion
So I don't see how that will fly..

So tell, try again.

Oh I just forget, we are in the yuletide season. Don't blame me. I have not heard any Christmas song in the entire benin city, but some few years Back, the whole town will be bubbling for the season.

One interesting thing about Joseph, in the Christmas story is that he was in his town with his relatives and family members. And yet he could not get any place for his pregnant wife...

Or when he told them a spirit impregnated his wife, they threw him out for being a mumu and lying to their face...kikikikikikiji

MaxInDHouse:
Just present the group practicing what you're saying and leave the rest for observers to choose after all you said "we are all Gods"
You said you can write a story like harry potter or spiderman and use it to make people drop their weapons throughout the earth!
Hen, let's see how it works nah!

How long was the new testament before the JW came to the scene??

MaxInDHouse,what is the difference between you that is religiously following the dictates of what your idol says and a Muslim that is religiously following what his prophet says...?

MaxInDHouse:
Just present the group practicing what you're saying and leave the rest for observers to choose after all you said "we are all Gods"
You said you can write a story like harry potter or spiderman and use it to make people drop their weapons throughout the earth!
Hen, let's see how it works nah!

It is not about presenting a group that worships an idol.
It is about following Gods commandments..
This your obsession with group, group is preventing you from acknowledging you are on the wrong road.
And even thinking straight.
Don't you understand it?

Kobojunkie:
Why bother about a one you have no care for?

We were having an intelligent conversation..since we both understand God and the tanakh. You then introduced a new character. I only asked you to define your character...that should not be hard. Let's me ask again.
Who is Jesus,why is he relevant to any thing. Why do you want me to take serious what somebody wrote about him? For all that is worth, the author could be writting a fictional story.

MaxInDHouse:
Well Isaiah called him the Wonderful Counselor and Prince of Peace!
I don't think peace can be possible in this world without such a King! Isaiah 9:6-7

Jesus returned in the year 1914 and ever since then he has been gathering his subjects under one umbrella that's why we now have over 8 million people from different races throughout the earth practicing what he taught, they are Jehovah's Witnesses.
Good! Please write such a book and make it work out then you'll have proved that we don't really need Jesus, until then Jesus remains the one and only Prince who can bring about Peace!

After the death of the first pioneers of Christianity a Roman emperor diplomatically seized the opportunity to expand his Kingdom that's why Roman Catholic Church is known till today but that's not what Jesus taught. So it was after 1914 when Jesus returned in spirit that what he taught began manifesting again as he gathered faithful people throughout the earth under one umbrella known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Just organize people who believe in what you're saying and let's see how things work out, then Jesus can be forgotten but until then Jesus is Lord over 8, 700, 000 people who are fully prepared to live by his teachings!

You always end up insulting people when they disagree with you but try to grow up, you can't continue insulting people simply because they don't buy your idea, first make your idea work just like the Wright Brothers and leave people who will not travel in your flying vessel!

Lol..Isaiah was talking about king Hezekiah. We have been through this before.

Why don't you start from chapter 1 to see his area of concentration..

MindHacker9000:

You tire...abi?

Kobojunkie:
Read Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 -20. We have been over this same issue more than 5 times this year, you and I.

God's Old Covenant Law of Moses is an agreement between God and those with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins, this in the Land of Canaan, a kingdom in this world.
God intentionally excluded those of Gentile birth from that agreement and He never changed His mind on that.

Jesus Christ is instead God's New Covenant Law, an agreement between God and individuals, this as Law in the Kingdom of God, and this agreement God promised to bless even the Nations of the earth with, this as promised by God since the time of Abraham.

I don't care about the views of Marcion or any others.

Who is Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's exactly what Jesus has done peacefully with Jehovah's Witnesses today!

That's why i keep telling you to go and work on your understanding so that something better than what Jesus did with Jehovah's Witnesses could suffice otherwise there's no other way you or anyone can prove that such a Wonderful Counselor never walked this planet!

Does Jesus need to exist for human to work towards peace ?

Jesus is not here. Whether he did or said those things does not mean anything. I could write about Harry Potter and build a religion around him and 7 million people believe and decide to drop arms and practice love amongst themselves.it does not mean he is real.

The romans created Jesus 2000+ years ago. Jw is just less than 200 years. Between when he was created and 200 years Ago, the Christians has engaged in wars and crusades...so it is not about Jesus. We need to work for peace, Jesus is not important. We need practical laws and a good justice system with people with outstanding characters..

I will port to the winning team...

It is just a story..

Not history

Just some bullocks from the unknown authors.

MaxInDHouse:
So why quote a book written by men who are Gods themselves for someone who himself or herself is a God?
Why can't each person choose whatsoever he or she pleases to do without anyone telling them?

But we have to live in peace..we have to find a way to do that if not there would be chaos.

So we have to set laws for ourselves..and we must also have a functional justice system.

Kobojunkie:
1. If you have ever carefully studied anyone of God's Laws, even the Old Covenant Law of Moses, you would understand the why not of that.

God didn't change from the Old Covenant Law of Moses to the New Covenant. The Old Covenant is an everlasting Covenant and so, like Jesus Christ said, not a single jot of God's Law will pass away, not even after Heaven and Earth have. To this very day, every single one born of the blood of Jacob is born bound to the Old Covenant Law of Moses.

2. Nope!

So are you suggesting that God gave different laws to gentiles and jews? If so can you show me where he said that?

Do you know about Marcion?

Kobojunkie, if God can change from the Moses law to the Jesus law, what makes you think he can't also change from the Jesus law to the Muhammad law?


Or do you subscribe to the Marcion idea that the God ofthe old testament can't be the father of Jesus in other words a different God.

Numbers 23:19

MaxInDHouse:
Other races are what in their former life?

Now it's clear what other tribes are in their former lives!

Lol..there have always been lunatics in our community. I guess he was one in his past life...we are all God spirit dwelling within a physical body made from dust. The spirit has always been. It was hovering over the earth before the creation began..we have always been. We will always be..

AntiChristian:
I didn't call God human being. I only asked where the name Judaism came from.

From God or man?

Christianity, from God or man?

Prove it from the Bible!

And most prophets have been accused of insanity! Even Jesus was in the Bible too by his family.

The religion Is Judaism

The hand book is the tanakh. It is not a history book.

It is a manual.

I don't know about Christianity...

MaxInDHouse:
Other races are what in their former life?

Now it's clear what other tribes are in their former lives!

Lol
.life has no beginning and no end. It's a circle..we go and come. Till we get it right and exit the matrix..
We are all God's breath experiencing life as ourselves. The purpose is to achieve unity and become one indivisible entity.

Forget the bull crap the authors of the Jesus story put in his mouth. Those are pagan ideas that are contrary to the will of our creator. It is better you be alone and keep his commandments than be in a group that worships an idol because they entice you with a promise of peace...it's all an illusion..wake up from it.

Kobojunkie:
I am beginning to believe you may be struggling from some serious memory issues there cause I have, on more than one occasion, been through and shown how your claim there is bold is not based on any known facts.

I remember well going through the omenani with you to show how unlike the Jewish Old Covenant it is in form, ideas and composition. So why you keep repeating this falsehood even after that buggles the mind. It almost reassure me that Truth is not in fact what you seek...almost as if you are more interested in finding more victims to agree with you in your delusion.

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As for the jews being God's favorite people, that is not what God Himself said. He favored them does not mean they are His favorite. If all you what is to be labeled among God's Favorite, then I suggest you find out what God's Will is, and get to doing that and only that..

Is that not what we are all about. Doing the will of God. Which is simply obey his laws and ommandments. That is what I am doing...

But you are not doing it.

You are worshipping a man as God which is tantamount to idolatry. You are going through an intermediary which God who is our father has not approved.

So Jesus can not be a son if he asked people to disobey God's commandments and laws. He must be a son of another God.

I follow my creator. I follow his laws...I sincerely doubt if he will punish me for that. Do you reckon?

Kobojunkie:
Ofcourse you had to be a prince... would you have been a slave or a pauper instead?
ROFLMAO

We are all Prince, kings and queens in our culture...

I guess you must have been a lunatic...no insult intended. Hence the carry over...

MaxInDHouse:
You believe this, right?
Can you tell me where you were and exactly what you were doing before you died and reincarnated?

I was an igbo prince.
I took part in a war with the neighboring community and died from a snake bite on our way back..

If your third eye was open you would remember yours.