₦airaland Forum

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
"Unless we want to engage in an endless war of attrition, there cannot be a military solution to the crisis in the north~West. There has to be kinetic & non~kinetic solution""

But the same people want military intervention in SE.

BlueRayDick:
Okay since none of us is sure , let's just wait and see the judgement of the tribunal.

I just hope when its all done and I tell u "I Told U So" , u won's start saying the supreme court judges were bribed .

If you are not sure then your initial submission is wrong.

Therefore 'I told you so' cannot hold water

BlueRayDick:
The 25% in FCT is ambiguous and subject to different interpretations the way it is worded in our constitution. The supreme court will probably interpret it as FCT being the 37th state.

You need to go back and read the supreme court ruling on the 2007 elections that brought Yar Adua to power. The election was greatly flawed , INEC received stick from the supreme court on their conduct and yet Supreme court still upheld the election. You need to understand that the Supreme court in cases like this see themselves as the final keeper of the realm. Whatever judgement they will give will be in the interest of not creating chaos and heating up the polity.

You didn't get my point.

In that probability that the SC upholds the 25% it will automatically nullify the elections unless they also disqualify Tinubu. Which will now hand power to either Atiku or Obi.

Unless you want to tell me it is certain that the SC won't consider the 25% in FCT. That certainty was not reflected in your comment. (See the bolded)

BlueRayDick:
Nobody is nullifying any election jare . If Supreme Court nullifies the election it will create a vaccum nobody will be able to deal with .

If they nullify the election , who will be the president while a rerun is ordered ? Is it Akpabio the senate president or the CJN ? Where will they get another billions to
Conduct another fresh election from scratch ?

Just take ur mind off any possibility of nullifying the presidential election or conducting any rerun .

So assuming the court upholds the 25% in FCT doesn't it automatically nullifies the election? It's a possibility you can not ignore.

The only way the election won't be nullified under the above assumption is if the court also disqualifies BAT.

Roland17:
Yea right! Despite the demands, I am choosing not to debate him on this topic because his position is not reality based.

I mean, despite my strong disposition against MNK, I can absolutely entertain Okpansuka’s argument that rather than the media trial that convicts him, we should allow the courts find Nnamdi Kanu guilty if they have have anything against him.

Kindly explain the bolded.

shogz89:
Oga go and read it again . He cited it in page 37 second line na. You didn’t read ut I guess.

Ok. Pardon me. I didn't see it.

garfield1:
Wole has buried obi

Akuko onye awuruma

Beer parlour talk

Omoawoke:
Only those in the SE think he is fraud.
Tinubu won the election hands down.

You guys are clowns, you want to impose a 3rd position candidate that did not meet 25% in up to 25 states to become president.
You guys are so delusional beyond repair

Don't be silly 👇🏼

seunmsg:
This thread is about why Wole Olanipekun quoted Awolowo vs Shagari instead of Osun state judgement and you supported the OP. Since Wole quoted Awolowo vs Shagari in his argument regarding the FCT case, tell us where Supreme Court addressed 25% in FCT in the Osun matter or in any other case previously decided.

Is 25% in FCT the only item in the petition?

Try get sense na. Just try.

garfield1:
You are contradicting yourself.olanipekun defense is unassailable,obi team won't have answer to that.irev is critical in the absence of form ec8a but in this case,it's over for obi

It's you that is contradicting Olanipekun. 😂😂😂

Your learned silk said IREV is irrelevant. 😂

You see that you just want to defend something that is not true just because it's APC.

You have been roped by your own convictions, yet you are still denying.

emerged01:
Hmm,his defense was poor for his level? Na judge go decide that one o. If you are a lawyer you should know that,me I no be lawyer but i meet am for house.

It's hard defending evil that is so glaring even the blind can see it.

He is doing a very difficult job.

garfield1:
And when irev is in dispute,you bring agent or police copies

At least you have accepted the fact IREV is critical.

Olanipekun's defense totally nullified the value/importance of IREV. That's why I said his defense is poor as you have admitted.

garfield1:
Irev is still secondary, physical results are primary

Yes. So when the physical result is in dispute due to alleged manipulation, IREV takes precedence.

emerged01:
Ignored by a SAN? If you think so,then he intentionally did it for a reason best known to him. That's what I'm saying. A lawyer that wins over the other lawyer shows he understands the technicality of law better. Nothing else o.

Yes I believe he intentionally ignored it. I think the reason is that it won't favour him. It's that simple.

Hence why we said his defense was too poor for his level. This case using the 2022 EA does not favour APC/Tinubu.

seunmsg:
Can you point me to where the 2023 Osun election judgement addressed the issue of 25% in FCT?

You skipped my earlier posts. I wasn't referring to FCT.

There are several other areas the Osun Petition relates with the PEPT, but he never thought it wise to cite any of them. Not even one.

emerged01:
I believe the issue is you recommending a case that should be sited to back the case to prove INEC right. Isnt that a trap?

The only case that has to do with the 2022 electoral act was ignored. That's a sign.

All votes are equal but they don't carry the same weight. 25% in Bayelsa is less than 100k votes, whereas 25% in Kano is almost 1million votes.

If all votes are equal then there is no reason for the framers of the constitution to require that the winner get 25% in 2/3 of the states and the FCT. The reason for that is to ensure spread.

That spread is the same reason why 25% in FCT is a MUST.

No past president has won election without winning 25% in FCT. It won't start now.

emerged01:
People dont know anything about law. I laugh when I see a layman talking about law. A lawyer spent 6yrs while studying law you that read english is forming for 4yrs "I too know"
Technicality of law is beyond layman's knowledge. Citing a case of 1979 maybe a trap in this case.

The issue is not that he cited 1979, but that he totally ignored 2023 case.

The SC judgement on the Osun election gave primary status to BVAS evidence and secondary to IREV. That is where there is dispute in election results or accreditation, BVAS comes first then IREV second.

In this PEPT, there is no BVAS (it was deleted by INEC) and so IREV takes primary status.

The electoral act also mandates INEC to compare results on IREV before announcement.

The supporters of BAT know that he is a fraud. How they want this country to be run by a fraud is what I don't get. How does one hate his nation so bad.

tinsel:
What efforts did the petitioner made to tackle the issue if Rivers? You want the defense to open up in areas the petitioner failed?

The petition stated that their votes were suppressed and that they won Rivers and Benue and also had more scores in Lagos, Imo, etc. They brought forms EC8AS as evidence to show manipulation of the results. So if the respondents did not counter the claim, if the petitioners provide their own results in their reply, the court will be forced to abide by it.

Roland17:
Nwanne, is this confirmed?

No. E fit be fake news self.

OriOko88:
Ur mumuism is legendry

Yoruba is under Fulani Emirates

garfield1:
The intendment of the framers is what will matter not what is written

How's that determined beyond a literal interpretation?

How do you know another person's mind?

garfield1:
Good.after they case,he will come for obi surely

That's if and if he wins. Which I doubt. 😂

Baba na bad man. Drug kingpin. Obi will find his way. 😂

garfield1:
No,I never said so.theres no need to even bring any evidence as the judges have made their minds already

Cool.

A001:
I hope the Oyomesi appoints a prominent Isese practitioner from the royal family as the next Alaafin. Sadly, they'd up appointing either a Muslim or a Christian to hold one of the most prestigious titles in Yorubaland.

This is a prime example that shows slavery and colonialism in Africa never really ended but just changed form.

I don't know what business an African has on the throne as a king if they must promote foreign cultures (Islam and Christianity), which are evil and harmful to Africa as these cultures seek to erase the African native cultures and traditions.

Even if he has to be a Muslim or Christian, he has no right to stop traditional practices. It's not about him but the stool itself.

garfield1:
On every other angle.the judges will settle fct matter and obi won't benefit

Listen, that statement from Tinubu that he won 25% of 29 states and the FCT will work against him. Just wait till the next seven days and see how it would be used in the reply. It's a clear attempt to deceive the judges. Howbeit a lame one.

garfield1:
It is not 50 50.if you look closely at the history of the courts, various rulings and body language there's no way they would rule in favour of the status quo

You are on your own on this.

The constitution is written in simple English and so a literal interpretation comes first before application of any other methodology.

I only said it's 50-50 because of my lack of confidence in the judiciary.

garfield1:
So winning his mandate is by discrediting tinubu in the media instead of showing how he won

It's part of it. Tinubu too used negative propaganda to discredit Obi. The difference is that Tinubu has a lot of skeletons in his cupboard and so is a very easy target for discredit.

garfield1:
You have started with your lies and misinterpretation.i never argued about written address,you are the one arguing.you claimed new facts and new issues would be brought during the address and I told you it is not true that it will be baeed on what happened at the proceedings

No you are now lying. You said the issue of FCT was not brought up and so would not be part of the judgement.

garfield1:
I thought he came to win his mandate back

That's the goal. And majority of Nigerians are with him on that mandate. We just want a better country. Everything is not japa.