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aswani:
Switruth,

I don't understand your response in the context of my message.

If the information I have posted is false, please regal us with the correct information.

1. Tinubu would be disqualified

2. The votes that he stole (the 18000 PU) would be restored

3. Based on 1 and 2, Peter Obi would be declared winner.

Clear?

garfield1:
Oga, guidelines cannot be used to nullify elections.
Secondly,rigging could have happened under any transmission whether electronic or manual.it is now left for you to prove it and show how it denied you victory substantially.did lp do that? NO.they are only assuming.
Lp only dumped physical result sheets in court.they failed to display or showcase the actual forms with irregularities,mutilations or blurriness.they only showed 18,000 blurred irev results.blurred results are different from mutilated results.blurred means unclear,mutilated means clear but with a lot of changes

Why then did INEC bring their ICT expert to defend themselves if there was nothing to defend and IREV means nothing?

Play on.

ImperialYoruba:
Irev is a public service. So INEC gave commitment, promising transparency with the result. The result is a utility for public consumption. In such arrangements the commitment is treated as a service level . If Irev is not available they failed SLA (service level agreement). This does not mean the collated data at source lost validity.

By the way, what is the data? It is an ink stamped ballot paper. That is the data itself.

Is this what they put in Irev? NO.

Ink-stamped ballot papers, classified by party logo are counted at each polling unit and recorded on a form. The form is then endorsed by each party agent present. Over 176,000 polling units forwarded their endorsed forms to INEC. After adding all the reports on the forms to obtain result for each party and candidate the outcome is shared.

As part of its process improvement, INEC wants the collation of these reports and outcomes to be shared with public (Irev) in real time. This part of their process failed. Does this mean the ink-stamped ballots are no longer valid?

Validity & integrity of the data should not be faulted because INEC missed SLA.

Your points are well understood.

I think you attempt to divert the point that upload to IREV is part of the electoral guideline and you termed it SLA. It's a guideline not SLA. A SLA is a signed document between two or more parties. There was no SLA. In fact that would have been more terrible for INEC.

The aim of the PDP and LP is to show that the election was rigged in favour of APC. That after ballot counting at the PU, when they got to the ward centres the scores for LP were changed to favour APC. The argument is that this could not have happened if the IREV worked realtime, as everyone would have the original results on the website. Those mutilated results are the blurred results on IREV. Meaning that the IREV was there to ensure TRANSPARENCY not just public view. Someone was hiding something.

PDP and LP have obtained the CTCs of the EC8As from INEC. They revealed gross mutilations.

One may ask, what about the results issued to the agents? Will you be surprised of each of the agents bring their own versions of results mutilation? According to the SC judgement of Osun, the physical forms EC8As issued by INEC are the primary source evidence while the IREV report is the secondary, note that IREV report is BVAS report which has already been deleted by INEC in the guise of preparing for Governorship elections. INEC refused access to the BVAS and even deleted that of FCT that had no governorship election.

My question now is what should happen to the form EC8As that were mutilated? Should the court admit them like that without question?

TrebleChamp:
Another ban loading 😂😂😂

I thought as much. Nihilist just go report an alternative account. But I hope Mukina2 go understand. 😁😁😁

garfield1:
You are quoting from a mere guideline which is inferior.the electoral act has given inec the power to transmit anyhow.the supreme court has made server evidence secondary.thats that.apply commonsense and stop this nonsense

You have admitted that the INEC guidelines were not followed.

Does the electoral act empower INEC to develop a collation system? Yes.

INEC's failure to follow its own guidelines is a violation of the electoral act itself.

A school says you must obey your teacher.
Teacher gives instructions. A student then says I will disobey my teacher, it does not mean I disobey the school. The teacher is inferior to the school. Makes no sense.

Electoral act says INEC has the power to create her own guidelines which must be obeyed. The guidelines were not obeyed as you agree, but you turn back to say it is inferior to the electoral act. I can't even make sense out of it.

ImperialYoruba:
Irev result showed to him are blurry. Result used to declare winner is EC8 and BVAS, not irev.

Infact, you can take irev offline and integrity of result of the election is still intact.

The only way you can change the integrity is to manipulate EC8 and BVAS.

Petition should have focused on the integrity of the BVAS and EC8, not on irev.

The purpose of IREV is the ensure the transparency of the process according to the INEC guideline. See the pix below.

If IREV is not available then the process is not transparent and therefore cannot stand.

garfield1:
Read the full sttaement of justice agim about third hand evidence

If you don't have a point just keep silent than dragging me up and down meaninglessly

DOptical:
Use brain na.

Both has the same content on them.

One recently issued from the school. The other is an old one issued from the school years ago. Both has same content on it.

My brother you have not been following. It's simple. The fake one was obtained from a website notorious for fake certificates. Read up and be informed.

garfield1:
Yes to an extent.it is useful in the absence of manual results

Both sentences contradict each other. If you say yes, then the second sentence is inconsequential.

If I take yes, then the new electoral act was violated. Based on the screenshot below.

If I go with the second sentence, then it means that a blurred IREV results nullifies the hardcopy.

garfield1:
Read osun judgment again by justice agim.it is oyetola vs adeleke supra 2023 per jsc agim.

Why don't you tell me what it says?

What I see there is that BVAS is the primary source of election data.

garfield1:
The camera of the bvas could be faulty,bad handling by inec staff,bad weather,bad flashlight.when photocopying documents,don't some copies come out blurry? Does that mean forgery? Forgery is when something is mutilated or erased.why has obi not displayed mutilated documents

Then we can say that IREV is useless and meaningless and a waste of resources and energy. And all the brouhaha by INEC about uploading realtime was a farce? Yes? No?

garfield1:
The supreme court interpreted it in osun

Give me an interpretation whether Osun or what you are seeing.

garfield1:
Oga,that is not what is being argued.yiu guys always misunderstand issues.atiku is saying his name in his degree is different from his other documents and that his transcripts belong to a female and his nysc was forged.he never said his bsc was fake.

Hmmm

The pictures I posted are they the same?

nihilistjnr:
Ogbeni we know how you move, own it.



When you thought Chicago State University disowned Tinubu's certificate, the supposed word of the uni was good enough



But when someone presents a result slip with somebody else's name literally encoded in it, you're calling for an independent review of JAMB Systems before the girl can be called guilty?

If you just own your tribalism, you would look less foolish...not a lot less foolish, but less foolish all the same.

IRRELEVANT

OasisX:


.....if you like keep wailing forever, wetin concern me?!

Diversion due to lack of evidence. Na una way.

We want to see the pictures of the documents to know if they are the same with what he gave INEC. Oya Garfield1, Seunmsg, Seunowa get to work.

For reference, the pictures below are what is being argued in the tribunal.

OasisX:


.... you're aware of it but you would rather stick to craps Hundeyin is feeding you folks? LOL!

Democracy is in danger, Judiciary is compromised would be anthem soon on this board.

Show me pictures of the documents and I will be silent forever. I'll be online till midnight.

seunmsg:
They are blurry only on IREV. The real form EC8A results for the 18k units are not blurry. They are very clear and they were used in collating the results. Results were not collated on IREV.

Why should IREV be blurry and the source clear?

seunmsg:
For people like you to view from home.

Ok. Kindly interpret the statement on the pix below.

Cc Garfield1
Seunowa

OasisX:
The academic records from the Chicago State University, 12 documents in all, were certified on June 28, 2023 by Jamar C. Orr, the Associate General Counsel, Office of the Legal Affairs, Chicago State University.

https://community.thenationonlineng.net/forum/breaking-tinubu-tenders-academic-records-from-chicago-state-unive?xg_source=twitter

Its damn hard to be associated with that movement and still have your brain functioning well as a sensible human.

I am aware of the documents tendered. I hope they are the same as the ones he submitted to INEC. That's the Koko.

GloriousGbola:
you heard she is 16?



you are a REAL case. even on her forged result, her birth year is 2004

So you are still relying on the said forged document results to ascertain information on her date of birth? Yes/No

Old man, leave that girl and focus on national issues. She is a distraction.

garfield1:
Clause 93 states that manual forms is the primary form

What then is the purpose of IREV?

seunmsg:
IREV results are downloaded from IREV. IREV results were not used for collation so it’s of no effect even if it is blurry. Below is the relevant testimony of the witness that the OP will not post here.



And this



Final

What them is the purpose ilof IREV in the elections?

GloriousGbola:
First of all 19 years old is not a little girl. That is an adult.

I heard she is 16. But whatever age she is, it's inconsequential . If she is wrong she should face the law. Meanwhile, that should not be a national crisis where DSS are invited to interrogate her while the country's president is battling a more serious case of perjury.

Tinubu did not submit primary school certificate.

Tinubu did not submit secondary school certificate.

The degree certificate he submitted was a fake one.

He will come now and say that it was Demons Elliot that filled the form for him.

Yet he is the right candidate.

It is Mmesoma that is the problem of Nigeria.

Focus people 👇🏼

raumdeuter:
As long as the school can verify the name and details of the certificate

What format and color does not matter

So if someone brings N1000 note he got in 2010 and you see it's different from the note in 2023, that means the note he got in 2008 was fake?

Stop disgracing yourself egbon.

raumdeuter:
Many people have approached Chicago state university and they have consistently maintained that Tinubu graduated from their school

You go school na, Schools change format, font and logo of their certificate all the time. What matters is the school confirming not the font or paper produced

You can also pay Chicago state university to verify Tinubus result

So if you graduate in 2008 and you approach your school for your certificate, will the registrar who will sign today be the same as the one who signed in 2008? Must the format and font remain the same for the past 15yrs?

Oga take a good look and tell me they are not different. You are not Chicago SU.

By the way, Chicago has never in their history used that format or logo. That format was obtained from a fake website. Don't tell me you have not been following.

raumdeuter:
Many people have approached Chicago state university and they have consistently maintained that Tinubu graduated from their school

You go school na, Schools change format, font and logo of their certificate all the time. What matters is the school confirming not the font or paper produced

You can also pay Chicago state university to verify Tinubus result

Big bros scroll up again to the post you quoted and tell me the certificates are not different.

raumdeuter:
How did Tinubu forge his certificate

Has any school or exam body that Tinubu is claiming their certificate come out to say Tinubu forged their cert?

Jamb is saying this girl forged their result, Did Chicago state university say Tinubu forged their certificate?

If I'm insisting that Spy360 forged UNN or ICAN certificate, but UNNand ICAN is saying you didn't and the cert is legit. Do you think that is normal

So which independent body will you need to prove that UNN certificate or ICAN certificate is legit?

I know that you will be blind to what's going on because it's Tinubu your tribesman. But Mmesoma is your problem.

FYI, Chicago was subpoenad to produce their original certificates and it's completely different from what Tinubu submitted to INEC.

The matter is in the tribunal so stop acting ignorant. Leave little Mmesoma alone and focus on Tinubu.

nihilistjnr:
Actually, Peter Obi who claims Tinubu forged his certificates is actually in court right now trying to make his case.

Don't try and pretend that you're not backing this idiotic low-effort forgery because the girl is Igbo. You are a known tribalist on the forum. If your issue is that JAMB is lying, then tell her to take JAMB to court like Peter Obi did Tinubu...but even someone like you with a history of unintelligent remarks isn't quite stupid enough to call for a court case, because you know this is a frivolous case.

This girl is not the first person to fake results to take home to her parents, and continue to lie even in the principal's office. She will not be the last.

You can either pay for her court fees to challenge JAMB like Obi did Tinubu, or you can let us hear word abeg.

Maa fejo kpami Jor.

I assume you are dull, so I will repeat that I am not concerned about the girl as she is inconsequential. My concern is on people like you whose erectile dysfunction just got cured because of a little girl whereas they condone the fraudulent president whose actions affect them more.

I hope you have been informed.

Interestingly I am against those offering her scholarships when the issue has not yet been rested. Because if it turns out that she is guilty then it's a bad sign.

Don't call me tribalist, I am not.

nihilistjnr:
Since you've declared a fatwa against basic intelligence, tell her to take JAMB to court then.

It shouldn't be hard for her to produce irrefutable proof of JAMB's malpractice.

No this is not my concern. My concern is that the president of this country also forged his certificates.

Why should your small prick be standing because of an inconsequential little girl whereas the president has not even done the least to come out publicly to defend himself.

Majority of you guys who take it upon yourselves to attack the girl are strong supporters of the fraud in Aso Rock.

Hypocrisy is not intelligence.

GrammarNazi1:
Na like this you wan wail till 2031?

Till September