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tdayof:
10 years I think was hyped except you'll bring in the Chinese come and do the stuffs in Nigeria. I found a link from CNN where the Nigerian minister of science and technology claimed 2030.


The Director, Centre for Satellite Technology Development (CSTD), Dr. Spencer Onu, has assured stakeholders that Nigeria will develop an indigenous space shuttle satellite by 2030.
According to him, the components needed for the development of the satellite are presently being developed, adding that scientists and engineers at the Centre have capacity to launch made in Nigeria satellite from Nigeria in 2030.

The Nigerian space agency claims to have trained 300 staff to PhD or BsC level, and has ambitious plans to expand the industry, and encourage space programs across the continent.

"The space program is very important," said Dr. Ogbonnaya Onu, Minister of Science and Technology, during a speech in the capital city Abuja. "Space is a major asset that Nigeria must be involved in for the purpose of protecting national interests."


2030 seems to be a nice target. You do not know what Nigeria is doing. Most of our projects are not being publicize like SA. Nigeria space tech has gone far and you can't be too sure of her current capability .

The part you aren't understanding is rocketry is as closely monitored as something such as uranium enrichment, because the two go hand in hand. The poison, and it's method of delivery. The only state that can get away with hiding its rocket programme is North Korea, and maybe the likes of Iran.

As soon as any entity passes a rocket motor of certain size, its known about. If Nigeria has developed a rocket engine that can produce say 30 000lb of thrust, everyone would know about it because it would be a technical secret you would be unable to keep. Perhaps 35% of specialised pumps, injectors etc would come from overseas.

And since no 30 000 pounder has been made there so far, if one doesn't get developed within the next 5/6 years, even 2030 wont make it.

Unless plan is to just purchase engines, build around them. Then maybe.

tdayof:
Nigeria space industry is better than its aviation industry. Nigeria will have such capability in 10 years as plans are already in place but with the help of the Chinese. There's this school here, I think Nanchang or Nanjing as most Nigerians there are on scholarship and on space programs up to PhD level.

My friend 10 years is an utter and complete dream land for Nigeria. Where do you think "it's not rocket science" comes from....it's possibly the most challenging form of engineering.

SA launched rockets travelling over 1200km in the early 90's. Even if all drawings and technical data is removed from storage tomorrow, it would take at least 10 years to launch again. But anyways...that's not to say Nigeria musnt continue with whatever it has going.

Henry240:
For Nigeria, the plan is to launch satellites from the country within the next 10 years. Scientists at Nigeria's space center have been experimenting with propulsion technology for some time now.

The guy who visited stands at Nigeria's just concluded Science and Technology Expo confirms that he saw models of locally made sattelite rocket launcher.

We would have to wait and see, however the Nigerian plan is to build and launch from Nigeria.

I'm sorry but within 10 years is a complete pie in the sky fantasy on behalf of whoever said that. If Nigeria currently has a technology demonstrator which produces even 10% thrust of a Merlin 1D engine, the world would know about it. It would be an achievement.

If for some reason Nigeria is trying to secretly develop such engines and vehicles the U.N would have publicly been on your backs long ago. There are some specialist components in engines that currently cant be built anywhere on the continent.

Add to that the testing programme of a full scale engine married to body, vibration tests, materials testing, aerodymanics, software. Within 10 years....pie...in...sky

frumentius:
The CSIR geniuses (genii, if you insist) I'm stuck with here in PSJ (nerds, according to GreenandGold) tell me that apart from ZA-Aerosat, their colleagues are working on a bigger satellite project with the EU, QB50.
Cube sats are low hanging fruit for the SANDF, IMO. Watch this space.

Confession...i want to go work at CSIR one day, but would most likely involve salary cut . Another 2 or 3 years, then C.V looks good enough to start negotiating.

frumentius:
The CSIR geniuses (genii, if you insist) I'm stuck with here in PSJ (nerds, according to GreenandGold) tell me that apart from ZA-Aerosat, their colleagues are working on a bigger satellite project with the EU, QB50.
Cube sats are low hanging fruit for the SANDF, IMO. Watch this space.

I've heard similar, but watered down version via Spaceteq guys. So 7th or 8th "hand" news. There is a disconnect between Gauteng and Western Cape.

GreenandGold:
South Africa has the know-how, remember those RSA-3/4 rockets? Also it is alleged Elon Musk gave South Africa some rocket blueprints some years ago.

However reviving it would take plenty of money from the Science and Technology Department and starve other science projects which is not a good idea.

Wouldn't say has the know how, but is much better placed to start such a programme since a few of those engineers are around. I would give it 10 years min to launch, if the programme started tomorrow.

tdayof:
Seems it's time for Nano satellites.
Dr Felix Ale, Head, Media and Corporate Communication, NASRDA made this known in a statement in Abuja on Friday .

Nano-satellites or Nano-sats are miniaturised satellites of low mass and size for gathering scientific data and to provide more comprehensive space coverage at much lower cost.

Ale said that the satellites were being proposed for launch into the orbit in May 2017 for various applications.

Ale said that the multinational satellite project known as “Bird Project“ was introduced in 2015 by the Japanese government and implemented through the Kyushu Institute of Technology in Japan for developing countries.

He said that the project was designed to enhance space-related capacity building and human resource development.
Ale said that NASRDA in collaboration with the Federal University of Technology, Akure participated in the design and manufacture of the satellites billed to operate through seven ground stations across the world.

“The Nano-satellites will be launched into orbit aboard space X Rocket.

“It will be released from the International Space Station with an orbital parameter of altitude of 460km and inclination of 15.6,“ Ale said.

He said that the satellites were expected to attain six missions after its successful launch, adding that three of the missions would be planned on board.

He also revealed that the other three missions would be accomplished in the ground stations of the participating countries.

According to Ale, the other three on-board missions will consist of the taking photographs of homeland of participating countries using the on-board cameras of 0.3mp and 5mp.

Other on-board mission includes the Dig-singer mission that entails exchange of song from the Nano Satellites to Ham radio receivers (UHF band) and measurement of single-event –latch up in orbit, according to him.

He said that the project would aid the successful and regular download of images from the five satellites, while the project was also a model for achieving satellites projects with low cost and size.

He said that the project was an innovation and excellent research model for NASRDA, adding that the its completion would further assist the agency to strengthen its collaboration on research with Nigerian universities.

Ale said that three Nigerians had also benefited from capacity development from the project by receiving a Doctorate Degrees (Ph.Ds) in Space Science and Technology.

Now someone on the continent must be the first to develop launch capabilities for us all.

South African technology...at its best.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpBgBvDeaNM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.brandsouthafrica.com/investments-immigration/science-technology/milestone-south-african-satellite-technology.


"The South African satellite industry is taking a giant leap as a global aerospace player, with the inclusion of two locally developed nanosatellites on the Atlas V rocket, launched on 18 April 2017.It included a payload of 28 nanosatellites from 23 countries destined for the International Space Station (ISS).
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Included among the 28 are two South African developed nanosatellites: nSight1, designed and manufactured by Cape Town group SCS Space, a member of the SCS Aerospace Group, and ZA-Aerosat, designed and manufactured by CubeSpace of Stellenbosch University. 
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Both nSight1 and ZA-Aerosat are no bigger than shoeboxes, yet contain some of the world’s most advanced technology.The two South African satellites will be used to record factors in the Earth’s lower thermosphere, between 200km and 380km altitude."

lexykeyz:
Please you guys should stop the notion we are surrounded by weak airforces. Those same countries give other "powerful" countries the liberty to use their bases in storing quality aircrafts. What should stop them from using it against us. Like some one always says "We are not friends we just have mutual interests". When such "mutual" interests dies why should we be friends happens even in our day to day activities.We should look beyond us having weaker neighbours to having foreign influence with superior air capabilities. #ONWARDTOGETHER

Why talk as if you've signed some sort of non disclosure agreement? Giving atleast one example would help further your point. Which powerful country would Nigeria deem as its biggest threat?

MikeCZA:
Radar and Electronic Warfare demonstration



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCAGZKRPH2g&fulldescription=1&hl=en%E2%89%B7=ZA&client=mv-google

Hey @patches689 I know you have been looking for this baby for a while now only quote me if you were able to spot her! Might be your only chance. P.... t Ho........r

South Africa's radar capabilities are well regarded worldwide (for those in the know).

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31841/

South Africa developing passive radar


"South Africa is one of the a few countries in the world to have successfully developed a passive radar system, capable of detecting both large and small aircraft using only a signal receiver.
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One of the most important benefits of passive radar is that it is covert, as it does not rely on a transmitter that can be detected and destroyed. Furthermore, it is possible to detect stealth aircraft using passive radar.Conventional radar relies on a signal bouncing back from a target - in the case of stealth aircraft, this signal is absorbed or reflected away from the radar receiver. A passive radar, on the other hand, measures distortions and disturbances in the soup of signals in the atmosphere and detects the aircraft in this way."

Henry240:
Both the MI-28NE(Algeria) and the AH-64D which the Egyptian Air Force flies have very similar characteristics in all areas, performance, information sharing, survivability, firepower and fire control radar.

However the MI-28NE which Algeria is getting comes with dual controls, this means that both pilots can fly the aircraft, allowing for increased survivability and a significant ease in pilot training, unlike the Apache which has the normal tandem configuration where the pilot at the back is only responsible for flying and the pilot in front (gunner) is responsible for shooting only.



Mikecza

For those who frequent this site just out of general curiosity. The highlighted section above is a prime example of someone literally just making sh1.t up as he goes along.

If the situation ever came about that the decicated pilot cannot fly the aircraft (perhaps killed by ground fire), the remaining poor soul will have to do everything in his power to either defend himself or get that aircraft out of there as soon as he can. Meaning which the airframe will probably be pushed to its maximum design limitations.

So where does the ease in pilot training come in? He or she will have to handle that aircraft just as well as a dedicated pilot in order to survive. Meaning he or she went through the same rigorous training routine.

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http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9149&start=0

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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/12/russian-strela-launch-kondor-e/

Flash back 2 and a half years ago....

"Russia’s Strela rocket has made a rare appearance and launched the latest Kondor radar imaging satellite for the South African military – following its purchase from NPO Mashinostroyenia. Known as Kondor-E, this spacecraft was launched from silo 59 at Baikonur Cosmodrome’s site 175 at 04:43 UTC on Friday.
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The Kondor spacecraft has been developed by NPO Mashinostroyenia (NPO Mash), and is designed to carry either an electro-optical or radar imaging payload. An export version, the Kondor-E, has been developed for other users.The satellite on Friday’s launch was purchased by South Africa, following the previous Kondor’s launch for the Russian military.
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This is South Africa’s first spy satellite. In either the optical or radar imaging configuration, Kondor satellites produce images with a resolution of about one meter."

overhypedsteve:
there are very big differences between a country engaging life targets with its aircrafts and the one shooting dummy targets for photography sessions, there are big differences between a pilot that have earned series of real kill strips and the one whose greatest achievement was to have been able to turn the craft upside down for a photography session, there are big differences between a pilot whose main worry is on strategizing maneuvers to carry out successful ground support sorties and the one whose main problem is on how to balance a rotor craft on a mountain ledge for photography shots.

We are fighting a war for which we are very well and suitably equipped and we have recorded some of the most unprecedented text book victories that the "unconventional" war against international terrorism would ever see.

Do not pray to learn the lessons that we have learnt, but when you pray, pray that you would one day gain the chance to learn from the experience of the men that have seen the true flames of war.

You clearly went ahead and watched a few war movies before giving this reply. Was it to give you that patriotic feeling? Now let me bring you crashing right back down to reality. This topic was about SAAF and NAF....i see you sneakishly trying to talk about war in general. Come eat your NAF medicine 1st.

1. Name one single aspect of flight, targetting, planning that Nigerian pilots are better equipped in than South African pilots. YOU WILL NOT FIND A SINGLE ONE. That is a fact. Accept it. Simple.

2. No. If you train as you fight. There is absolutely zero difference TECHNICALLY (list of items which need to be performed) between dropping ordinance on a target in training or a real target, PARTICULARLY if that target has no heavy ground based anti aircraft systems. There are heaps of videos at Denel Dynamics and especially Overberg Test Range of actual SAAF training excercises (not airshow pics). When A-Darter was going through finals, SAAF officers were here almost monthly....so I am well aware of SAAF capabilites.

3. No...NAF is not well equipped at all to defend it's people. I'll repeat. At ALL. When Boko Haram was driving around in tanks, can you believe it....TANKS...on your own home soil....why were they not taken out within 48 hours? You had the jets, the pilots, the bombs, co-ords. So why weeks and weeks? Months?

Nigerian skies are an open sky for any adversary with decent aircraft and pilots.

overhypedsteve:
lOl, Are you sure your SAAF would be able to roll out any of its Jets for the protection of South African Lives?

And which jets is NAF able to roll out in the protection of Nigerian lives? Bombing Boko Haram for however many years hasn't changed the fact that Nigeria is utterly defenceless against any conventional air threat.

But that's also non of my business.

Henry240:
Very true. You'll also agree that my comment come from what we all saw in the Channelstv video.

Your comment came from the deepest parts of your bowels...nowhere else.

"Nice to see that the SAAF brought out jets for him, this should give the SAAF a much needed flying time."

Only in the most vivid parts of your imagination would the SAAF ever be used for the arrival of any Nigerian. Don't think your president would even be allowed such, let alone your CNS. Kindly post 2017 SAAF flying hours per squadron....so we can all see for ourselves how "much needed" it is.

Henry240:
I don't know if I'm supposed to repeat myself at every turn.

SOF does not exist. As the term SOF is the exact same thing as SF.

Because you have received additional training in some sort of speciality does not necessarily make you an SOF. You're just a more mobile infantry or a Quick Reaction Unit.

Your MRS is nothing more than a Naval Infantry. If this was the case, every Naval infantryman in the Nigerian navy would be referred to as some special super duper soldier.

Coming from the same guy who called our Instagram Paratrooper a special forces operator . Funny how you never called him nothing more than a paratrooper back then. Where's my popcorn....

frumentius:
My last Armed Forces Day 2017 pics.

Since/introduced when?

...SA NAVY

Henry240:
Most crime in RSA occur way inland from the seas, that's why you don't have a piracy problem. Pirates are everyday common criminals who operate at shore or in the open waters. The lack of piracy in SADAC is as a result of the fact that SA criminals do not find it to be lucrative. It has nothing to do with the SA navy.

And what is NOT lucrative about taking a ship hostage and demanding millions of dollars ransom? But okay....lets rather steal R100 000 in a bank robbery, R100 000 goes a lot further

There is crime in Cape Town, Durban, P.E and hundreds of other spots along the coast. Literally a 15 minute drive to the coast. "Way inland"....desperation

SANDF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQAr2H3EI8

Anyways...back to posting pics

Henry240:
It should be aptly titled the anguish and butthurt of pained South-Africans. Anyway, I don't have their time.

Every day you discuss and compare how one system is better than another, between country A and B. You state the disadvantages of a system from some country you've never set foot in, let alone gotten near enough to take a whiff of the items you are comparing. There are also many bad designs which come out of SA. This one happens to come out of Nigeria. Has nothing to do with being jealous of anything. Grow up and deal with it. That thing would struggle on a 40 degree slope, its almost waiting to tip. If off road tyre bursts on a given terrain, how will road tyres help exactly? Things you would easily point out if it was built in Bangladesh, but pride.

Henry240:
You sound totally pained. Unfortunately I can't help you with that.

I never asked for your help. Just pointing out "yeah looks right" type engineering. Unfortunately it happens to be Nigerian in this case.

Henry240:
I can't tell the lefts from the right of the comments made by you and Ssaengine.

Like I said previously, not interested. I hope this is clear enough?

I'll put it in a way you might understand. Don't trust any statement about so called tests from any company that puts normal road tyres as spares. If that wasn't properly thought out, then trust me, many other things weren't. Good night.

Henry240:
No it won't. That's what test and field tests are for are designed to evaluate.

Ah thanks i didn't know. I wonder why products still fail when all are tested. Unless Nigeria has invented some form of anti gravity, that thing will go for a nice roll up a steep incline. All the weight is at the back, that roof mounted piece seals the deal. But ignore me...wait for the pics.

Henry240:
Odunayaw, compare. You can see the ground clearance of our ATV and that of the Polaris used by US Special forces are the same. In terms of Armarment, ours is even better armed.

We also have more room to keep more stuff, Ammo and the likes.

And yours will tip over on a steep incline....add that too

Pic by Paveway

SA Air Force

http://m.timeslive.co.za/?articleId=2102481

A South African soldier was killed on Monday in a rebel attack in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC).

Another critically injured South African National Defence Force soldier was evacuated to hospital in Goma with a colleague who sustained minor injuries.

Four rebels were killed in the gunfight that broke out when members of the Mayi Mayi and Allied Democratic Forces groups attacked the SANDF position near Butembu around 6.30am‚ said spokesman Brigadier-General Xolani Mabanga.