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thariodamaniac:
check the evolution of computer science one thing is common the compilation of knowledge and application.... Application in which form?? Programming is the car itself not the engine

let me not argue with you. You are not a computing scientist and if you were you just only had a certificate but lack the understanding.

From Wikipedia

thariodamaniac:
i still try hard to believe that web development is programming... Its so basic compared to other parts... Like you said it takes proficiency but what good are unapplied fundamentals?

And Google, Facebook is basic abi?
Instead of you to say the one you are coding is basic

thariodamaniac:
you don't get what he said.... In simple terms you can say programming is the assemblying of a car... The engine is a big part but isn't just the car... So you take different parts and fix together and you get a car.... Just like programming of what use is firmware creation, AI, networking, data, maths and stats etc if it can't be put together to make it useful... And only a good programmer can be able to do that...

programming is a big tool I agree but it is not the engine of computing science. Computing science started far before programming.

Your indentation is wrong.
Learn how to arrange your python code properly.

thariodamaniac:
did i ever say data science and cybersecurity is under programming... I said programming has become a course of study on its own... And data science is a course not just business + ai pls... There are companies that collect, analyse and visualise data for a business... That is using data science concepts not data science itself which is a course of study in universities abroad.... I never said programming is a degree... I said its a course on its own with certification and it's taught in universities too..

Data science is not just about business but that is the bulk of it. Analytic prediction and finding patterns in large data using AI is what data science is all about. So only a few cases is data science not used for business. I took a course of data science.

etrange:
Sorry, I don't know what you guys were discussing, I just saw this post under "recent posts" and I felt I should correct this. There's nothing like a "mere programmer" unless there is a particular type of programming you are referring to. Your analogy about cats is wrong. Programming is the crux of everything computing.

Regardless of the field of IT, provided a software or firmware is used, a programmer was involved. Cybersecurity makes use of rules, principles, firmware and software written by a programmer somewhere. Machine learning is about weights, activation functions and the subsequent regressions calculus; all these remain mathematics until a programmer codes them. Same with data science. So when you think of a programmer, don't just think of web developers alone. I personally have not developed anything web or mobile for more than 6 years now and I'm still a programmer. The average salary of certain types of programmers here in North America is higher than that of the cyber security expert. You can check that on any popular jobboard like Neuvoo, Glassdoor or Indeed (note: to get the best result, be specific with the type of programmer).

Thanks for reading. Bye!

Your analogy about cats is wrong. Programming is the crux of everything computing.

How can you say this? How can the crux of computing science hover around programming, na wa o. Please I need you to go understand who a computing scientist is. You don’t really know I guess. Such a wrong guess

Ayemileto:
Yes, I think so.

@Winnerslfc what if they supply conflicting results?

abi, shey we go include matter settlers

dodelight:
i kinda agree with you. but our society, most especially christianity has demonized polygamy, now women take it for granted.

polygamy led to a lot of broken home and children who need to travel just to see their father.

Jas80:
not all games require 3D artists and animators

He is talking about high end games. I don’t think you want to mention lido abi?

Winnerslfc:
Hey guys,
The topic say it all. I need a senior and serious developer to build an exact clone of www.playerslounge.co using PHP (Codeiigniter or Laravel framework, or using node.js (if that's better).
I need you to please have a thorough look at the website and see if you can do it. But basically, here's a summary of what I need.

I am looking to build a social gaming website that allows users to;
Register for free
Deposit Money
Find a Competitor or be matched to another player with similar skill)
Send a Challenge
On Accepting a Match challenge game fee is deducted from both accounts
Then the players Play the Game online on ps4, Xbox one or PC
Both players Report the Results
Funds Given to the Winner (10% given to website).

If you get the idea and can do it perfectly let's chat on whatsapp 080 nine43 011two5.

Please don't contact me if you are still learning or can't do this yourself. Don't waste my time and yours please. If you are hoping to just get money from me without proving your work, don't contact me because it will not work.

Only serious dev gurus should message me.

Thank you.

Then both player report the result, like you mean they are are gonna type in the result themselves?

Plaouse:
Hello,
I have had an idea of a game to create for a while now - a life simulation game to be precise. I' ve created no games before, and for this I' m just beginning to acknowledge some programming languages I need to learn admist the many other things I should learn also.


What steps do you suggest I take as a total beginner in game designing and programming in order to bring my idea of a game to reality?
Thank you.

start by learning Java

FlackoJodye:
Pls i've been having this little setback, i'm about to build my first website but i don know any free website that i can get free logos,Pls anybody with the information pls share with a brother,Thanks in Advance..waiting for ideas

simple google search should help you, if not then you may need to watch YouTube vid to design it yourself. Last option, pay someone to get it done.

ARCHEMEDESME:
you don't expect a fresh CS grad to be highly proficient in programming , proficiency takes time to develop . you don't expect a fresh CS graduate who only did webdevelopment for a semester to be better than someone who has spent three years focusing only on web development and has acquired the skills and theoretical computer science knowledge relevant to webdevelopment
Most schools don't teach the students new technologies which might change they teach fundamental computing concepts which are less likely to change

computer curriculum in school is fit and the language been taught are good no matter how old they are. The problem of Nigeria is lack of good infrastructure in school and lack of platform for young CS graduate to gain experience early even before going to school to study.

Playthepianos:
I greet o.

I started a new blog last two months. I understand that my site in still in this Google sandbox stuff. But I noticed that some of my posts, when I submit them in Webmaster tools (and even if I don't), after the thing shows that the post has been indexed, I search Google with my keywords but I don't find the posts. I checked everything, even omitted search results, but I don't find some of the posts.

I noticed something recently, I found the post abeg some days ago, then I went ahead to check it on Google again, but I couldn't find it.


What's the problem? How to fix it.

webmasters Abeg make una answer this guy na

adun99:
I would love to intern in backend node.js especially my email.is
Seunolukeye2000@gmail.com

what do you want? A tutor or a reference to a resource?

squash47:
Please, my brothers and sisters in programming..

which website can I make my html code appear the same way it is in my computer.


I don't need a website where I will be using the website own gadgets to work o...


I want to see my code appear the same way I typed it in my computer.

like, if someone wants to access the page, they will see it exactly the same way I typed it.

I don’t understand your question, do you mean a place to host your web files and let others see it. Or a place to host your codes and let people see the raw code.

For the former google search 000webhost
For the later go to YouTube and watch how to use GitHub

noblebright:
Please guys I need your help on how to become a very good database expect, I need advice on the website, Apps and the programing languages that I need thanks in advance

To be a database expert you need both practical and theoretical knowledge of database. I suggest you start from the pragmatic part. Learn to code in SQL. And after than then read the theoretical part of SQL.

Grandlord:
Books? Videos? On DSA.

let start from here what is your prospect.
Are you a computing scientist or you just wanna learn how to code?

thariodamaniac:
1)the amount of computation done in nigeria is low compare to outside...
2) depending on how you judge them... Then Yes... If you judge based on knowledge then it would be silly but if its based on application then its more logical since every knowledge can be applied..
3) obviously comparing them may not be optimum but its the best we can do in regards to this field....
4)yes, its constrained to the field... Its all under computing and informational systems(CIS)... Things have changed a lot in the past few years... Programming has become its own course like data science, cybersecurity etc.. Each can stand alone but they still pick pieces from each other...

data science and cyber security are not and was never under programming and it is almost untruth that programming is a course on it own. Please check your fact.
Data science is business + AI
Cyber security is a core part of Security in computing science.

Comparing a computing scientist to a mere programmer is like comparing a house cat to a wild cat. Though they have similarities yet they have wide differences.

I am not saying a computing scientist is better than a programmer but their responsibility are very far. Constraining a computing science to programming is a waste of human resource.

A time would come everyone would be able to code and even then computer can code. But yet not everyone would be a computing scientist.

This your answer would fail woefully if Nigeria were known in developing software and advance tech. But since we only do small computation, any programmer can rub shoulder with a computing scientist. Also what made matter worse is that many CSC student are misinformed about what CSC is still about. I blame this on lack of orientation from schools.

Grandlord:
Damn! You just made the whole concept of data structures and algo clearer to me. A thousand thanks.

Do you have more to add? Any learning resources you might recommend?

what kind of learning resource do you think?

techstack:
That's nice,
ASP.NET is not government projects, I work for a financial institution and we use Microsoft technologies

keep coding and keep learning

I know Microsoft own it. I just said they were used for Government project often. Anyway happy Sunday

oluwajohnjay:
Please if I want to pursue a career in IT which one do you think will give more chances of employment and high pay .. cloud computing, web development, Android development

please help a brother??

which do you enjoy doing?
All courses are difficult if you don’t have the passion. If you go because of money and you don’t graduate well or you don’t like doing it, you might never get any high pay from anyone.

All of them are lucrative for the top dogs and even advance personnel in any of them.

Crvrider:
When you do statistical analysis and the numbers seems to be in favour of one outcome over the other(s) you can safely predict based on the outcome of the highest frequency. Hence the reason most of us argued in favour of "people studied computer science solely to become programmers". This however is irrespective of the diverse discipline you could branch into with regards cs. In all honesty if you where aaked what the motivating factor was for you studying cs, what will the answer be?

Most likely programming.

We based our argument on numbers and not the diverse discipline of cs.

be it motivating or not. Computing science is not programming. You heard it clearly from me. Infact at some point you get with CSC. You don’t write any code. It is a misinformation to assume that programming is something core to CSC. Real computer scientist don’t spend most of their time writing code. They spend it majorly on computing data. Anyone writes code and programs. Computational Science core is not coding. Awkwardly it is difficult to see a computer scientist that can’t code. This is because most of the brilliant idea are useful when it works on a software and serve people but the brilliant idea was before the coding.

Daejoyoung:
Computer science may not be all about programming in thesame way Medicine is not all about surgery, but we cannot deny that software development is a major part of computer science, and coding as well as programming is the driving force of most software applications.

Those who go for a computer science degree, study almost everything and they are mostly theoretical. At the end, they end up not being able to apply these things in the real world.

The education system in most part of the world is shitty in my opinion. The Curriculum could be tailored in such a way that the last year of the computer science course allows for only specializations and practice ie a frontend developer focuses on frontend end practice, and so on.

The curriculum is not shitty. Nigeria economy is shitty. Half of what is in our curriculum has no platform where they can be executed.

ernieboy:
a.coder or programmer is much more than a web developer, coding also encompasses areas such as desktop programming, embedded programming, console programming etc but a lot of u are using web dev and coding interchangeably like it is the entirety of coding.

were we not talking about web? And for your info coders are not more than web they only have an overlapped. Web dev is far more than coding.

ozone29:
Hello everyone, I started learning how to code last year. Before I started to learn I researched for an entry point and what I saw online encouraged me to start with html, css, JavaScript, angular, node.js and express. So I decided to make a portfolio to showcase what I have learnt so far. This is the link

https://findstanleyogbonna.herokuapp.com

Please, I want to be sure of myself because I'm confused. Should I start applying for jobs or should I keep learning and not apply yet but if I should start applying for jobs how do I go about it because I have already sent out some applications but I got zero reply.

I suggest you channel your energy to full time frontend coding. You look more like a frontend dev rather than a full stack in my opinion. Any my name sake happy Sunday.

prince985:

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ChibeKs:
Stanliwise and co. Don't be annoyed with self taught guys if they can solve a problem, they are good to go.
I'm sure you guys know other things not related to cs that others picked a degree for and will come to you to learn more. So don't be pained life is all about solving problems, it doesn't matter how you do it or where you learnt how to do it.
Happy Sunday!!!

I taught myself how to code and I was creating website before I got admission to Computing science. How could I be pained? When I also taught myself to code.
All I am here saying is that most people don’t understand what computing science is. Ignorance is the problem. Just like when layman thinks a mathematician would end up as a mathematics teacher. Same way they would also think a computing scientist would end up as a programmer. I shake my head. Happy Sunday to you.

@thariodamaniac
Here are my questions:

1. How many computation do we do in Nigeria?

2. By Judging a computing Scientist by mere programming is it a wise judgement ?

3. Can we Objectively compare a computing scientist to a programmer?

4. Is the field of programming constrain to computing science? If yes why so? If No then why not compare a programmer to a physicist, chemist, mathematician? Why just computing scientist?

Crvrider:
Is it not possible then for a self taught who is well grounded in programming not to be knowledgeable in computational skills?

Look there are certain careers in life where you can do quite well without being admitted to study in the university and programming is one of them. Even your computational analysis is also another.

On the other hand maybe I misunderstand you. Please kindly explain what you mean by computational and why you think it is a skill for the high and mighty.

PS: have you seen a programmer who built an operating system/programming language from scratch, and I am not here talking about an android or iOS app?

It takes a lot of cerebral concentration!

I already said you can learn computation outside school in my previous post.

Computation means the ability to be able use mathematical evaluation and critical thinking to work on data so as to reduce workload of searching on data, storing data, transferring data, operate on data. For example to search if a string is in a large amount of text. Anyone could simple write a code to find the string one by one but a computing scientist would find a mathematical evaluation method to ensure he finds it in the simplest possible time. In reality situation could have a lot of constrain ranging from small amount of memory to large (and concurrent access to data in a short time frame. A computing scientist job is to ensure how to find the best possible means to save company resources and yet make the service available.

Like you said someone coded an OS. It need extensive knowledge of computation to do that but anyone can do it. But a computing scientist would think so hard to optimize the system in such a way that it would work in best situations interms of speed and constrain to hardware.
Microsoft and Linux used hands of thousand computing scientist (not programmers) for ideas to reduce computation complexity.

Computation parent is mathematics.

Mathematics on data = computing science.

Although computing science field has broaden so much now and it has been coupled with some form of engineering, System Analysis and Human/machine Interaction and intelligence(AI), Graphics.

You will recognize I use the word “computing science ” rather than “computer science”. This is the accurate terminology.

PAT4HOT:
Please I want to start learning programming, web development for a start, who or where can I learn in Anambra State, Awka and it's environs to be precise.

Thanks.

Start a self study. Lock down dey everywhere now

ernieboy:
I think u are confusing a web development with coding, while a web developer is also a coder coding goes beyond web dev, there is embedded coding, desktop coding, etc

web dev are people which are in the business of creating new technologies for web. End coder are frontend are backend.
Contributors are language designers, library’s designers.
Idea developer are people who contribute new web techniques to web word e.g Gang of Four

Should I go on?

Yet web dev is a sub sub of CSC.