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Scottie Pippen was ranked above any player LeBron ever played with. Y'all hate to see it

chic2pimp:
ESPN's list like most others are highly subjective. Unless your own personal list directly matches that of ESPN's, you are likely to disagree with it.

At least the majority of NBA fandom agree that Giannis above Iverson is sacrilege.

ESPN ranked Giannis above Patrick Ewing, Allen Iverson and Isiah Thomas, and ranked Kawhi above all these guys plus D Wade. It's still these same ESPN analysts that say MJ is the GOAT. That says it all.

Khanben:
Gaejthe just systematically put a beat down on Ferguson.

Everybody's a beast until they receive a mauling. . Khabib's next on the line, and it'll come from someone we least expected.

Ouch! This one hurts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py0-l1M_870

Good times

ChrisKels:
Azubuike makes Second Team AP All American Honors, as Nwora makes third team



Bascovanveli, Obi Topping?

This class of draft prospects should be Nigeria's best yet

smoosh20:
Kevin Durant and CJ McCollum/Devin Booker?

Omo, your case done pass be careful.
Your egungun done enter express.

Do you know how to comprehend at all?

smoosh20:
Westbrook disagrees with everything except himself. He'll tell you he's a better shooter than Steph and will shoot 10 3s even if none is going in. That's who he is and I can't fault a grown man for being confident in his abilities but guess what? He's still number 2 when Kevin Durant is on the floor. It's fact and it's simple.

He still disagrees

I mean, if we were talking of KD and CJ McCollum or KD and Devin Booker, you'd have a point. But you're talking of a league MVP, 2 time scoring champion and 2 time assist leader. Man GTFOH.

smoosh20:
Westbrook is number two when Kevin Wayne Durant is in the floor. It's basic basketball knowledge.

He can be dragging number 1 with Harden not Durant.

Westbrook disagrees with you bro

smoosh20:
Anyways, for Steady986. I said KD is the most unguardable player in the league. No one is asking if he has point guard skills, if he can average 20 assists, run the ball or if he is 1/2. Kevin Durant will always be the Number 1 option on offense in any NBA team. He's that good. If you think he can't make 2-3 extra passes, that's your problem. Westbrook, Harden cannot sit with Kevin Durant on offense whether regular season or playoff. Simple.

Well, na your opinion. My own is that nobody should call Westbrook a number 2 on any team.

damentalist:
Tony parker or even Gino handled the ball more than Duncan. Do you mean, Duncan was not number 1 on that team?

There is a clear difference between Duncan and Parker or Manu. Duncan is a superstar, Parker and Many were mere stars or borderline superstars. In the case of KD/Westbrook or Harden/Westbrook we're talking of 2 superstars who have all been MVPs in this league.

Kareem and Magic, who was number 1 and 2?

DeeMain:
So deferring to a ball handler means he can't be number 1 and that a team can't be built around him? I don't think so.

OKC management making the mistake of encouraging Westbrook to be co-number 1 with KD was the beginning and cause of OKC's fall from grace.

Their fall from grace is attributed to the two of them, and not the system.

steady986:
Imagine saying Westbrook is a number 2. The earlier we accept that Westbrook is a superstar in this league, the better. What has KD achieved that Westbrook hasn't? MVP, two-time scoring champion, two-time assist leader. He deserves to be number one on any team. As great as AD is. He's still number 2 to LeBron.

*p.s. Don't dare mention that KD has 2 titles and 2 finals MVP. I'm sure you know why.

This was what we were arguing damentalist

damentalist:
Bro you are preaching the gospel to choir members.

There is no one here that will disagree that KD is not the person to turn to in case you need a floor general to run the show. The bone of contention from the start has been that KD is an unstoppable scorer. And in that he has no equal in this league. Read again the first post

That is not the bone of contention. The bone of contention is calling Westbrook a number 2.

damentalist:
that has been the topic from the onset. The guy said ab initio KD is unstoppable on the offensive end. So why divert into Ball handling?

But how come KD never outscored Curry at GS.

But that isn't my issue though, my issue is you people calling Westbrook a number 2 on the team, whether it's with Harden or KD.

DeeMain:
Well, your opinion. Apples and oranges. It was Steph Curry's team before KD came, so even though KD was their best player GSW's game was woven round Steph.

It's a lot like Miami Heat was Wade's team when Lebron and Bosh joined even though Lebron was their best player until Wade handed the team over to Lebron to lead voluntarily.

I'm glad you brought this up. LeBron's first year in Miami, his usage% was 35.5% while Wade was 35.6%. This is nothing like KD and Steph in KD' first year there. Steph dwarfed KD in usage%. And as the years went by, LeBron steadily topped Wade in usage. Why? Cos Bron is a floor general. KD isn't, he has to defer to someone for that job.

During KD's time at GS, his usage% and that of Curry are as follows

1st year: KD 27.8%
Steph 30.1%

2nd year KD 30.4%
Steph 31%

3rd year KD 29%
Steph 30.4%

KD's last 3 years with Westbrook are as follows

15-16 KD 30.6%
Westbrook 31.6%

14-15 KD 29.1%(injury year)
Westbrook 38.4%

13-14 KD 33.0%
Westbrook 34.4%
*The only time KD had a higher usage rate than Westbrook were Westbrook's rookie and sophomore years. KD is not the go to guy when it comes to running the floor, that's why he's never been the primary ball handler in his teams(unlike LeBron for instance). What KD is, is a primary scoring option.

damentalist:
there is nothing like co number 1.

Westbrook is not even co number 1 with Harden, how would be co number 1 with KD. KD is number 1 in almost any team in the league anytime anyday. Besides the Lakers (because of Bron) I see no team where KD would be the number 2 offensive option.

If you say number one scoring option, then I get your point. KD might be the go to guy in terms of scoring But if you tell me he's number 1 in bringing the ball up, ball handling, creating plays and all that stuff, then that's not him. And who told you Westbrook is a number 2 with Harden? They share responsibilities almost equally. Harden's usage is 36.4% while Westbrook is 34.4%. You can't clearly say that's a number one and number 2 because they're virtually the same.

donlittle25:
Una blood too they hot for this place o. Small thing na to fight remain. I beg o, man's no get time for that o.

KD could average 8-9 assists if he wants. Like you pointed to, He averaged around 5.9 his final season at GSW and he wasn't the primary ball handler. He isnt the second choice... it's Steph curry, Draymond Green, then Kevin Durant and he averaged almost 6 assists.

When he was at OKC, you said he averaged 5.5? Compare the playing styles back then and now? Was the offense this quick? How many possession per game did teams have back then compared to now? What is the points per game? Teams are scoring 140 points per game now.

These things matter Sha.

If Kevin Durant plays in a D'Antoni system, he would average 10 points everygame. He draws more attention than James Harden and can easily shoot over anybody in this league.

My guy, you don't have to drive everytime when you can shoot over anybody in the league. Why wreck your body doing all that when nobody fit block your shot? Doesn't mean he can't drive or he isn't good at it. Just simply conserving your body.

There are some players in this Nba that their body is glass but only skills they have is driving Sha, and now na every season them they do surgery.

Sense > Gra Gra.

James Harden drives and drives and drives and what happens in the playoffs? Uncle gets tired and starts settling for jumpshot that doesn't even go in.

Even LeBron that is one of the strongest player in this league, uncle sef they get tired from driving. Sometimes post up and get the job done o

Anyways, this isn't really part of his game and doesn't seem to be something he is focusing on Sha....

These are the sort of statements I don't like to hear. Has he done it? That he's not done it in his entire career should tell you that he can't quite do it.

With all due respect, when you have two of the best shooters in the league, you should average more than 5.9 assists.

benji93:
What the heck? KD's highest assist average at OKC with or without Westbrook getting injured was 5.5, which he pulled off in 2013/2014, the same season Westbrook played about half of the season. He even averaged better-5.9- in his final season at GSW, which is obviously cos of the way GSW plays. If this is in support of the point that he can play as the primary ball-handler, then I am afraid, it's a moot one. 5.5 is not in any way indicative of ball-handling ability, at least at an elite level. If the original argument, however, is giving him the ball most of the time, as suggested by someone else, then that's quite possible. If he has the ball most of the time in Iso, then he probably could come close. but you don't get 35 points per game without driving the ball some of the time. As we both know, KD is not quite the driver.

Very well said

DeeMain:
Steady, Westbrook is a great player no doubt but in a team that has a KD on it he is an obvious number 2. This star thing get levels. Westbrook and KD don't belong to the same stratosphere. Westbrook dwells in the second order, men like KD and Lebron in the first.

It has nothing to do with titles.

I don't agree. The two are very reliable ball handlers, and one obviously is a better passer and floor controller than the other. They're both capable scorers, although KD is more diverse. It's only fair that they be co-number 1s. Or are you trying to tell me Stephen was number 2 when KD was there?

Imagine saying Westbrook is a number 2. The earlier we accept that Westbrook is a superstar in this league, the better. What has KD achieved that Westbrook hasn't? MVP, two-time scoring champion, two-time assist leader. He deserves to be number one on any team. As great as AD is. He's still number 2 to LeBron.

*p.s. Don't dare mention that KD has 2 titles and 2 finals MVP. I'm sure you know why.

I couldn't agree more

SmooshCHN:
My statement was not based on a game vs the Cavs or KD on the Warriors. I didn't even mention LeBron or anything. Una sha like to play defence for no reason.

I was talking about Kevin Durant not the Golden State Warriors. He has always been unstoppable since his OKC days. Let's not talk about his efficiency.
It's KD you use midrange 'quite alright'.
Kevin Durant ni quite ok midrange, light as feather and no ring game but had four consecutive scoring titles? You're talking in nonsense as usual. I'll am ears though.

Scoring title averaging what? 30 or 31 ppg. He's not the first to do it. Harden averaged 35ppg, is Harden not his mate?

SmooshCHN:
You can't tell me a healthy Kevin Durant is not the most unarguable player in the league.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPBwNfj1wJ8&ab_channel=NBA

No he's not. He's got a midrange quite alright, but for somebody who's as light as feather, he can't always get to the rim when he wants.

kenturkish:
Thought the passing of Kobe will make your all realize that this is sports and these individuals you are here masturbating for actually get along and respect each other tremendously. Mj/Kobe, kobe/LeBron and every great out there. Fans can argue and at the end of the day it comes to individual preference. One thing for sure is they are all all time greats and the ranking is for fans to slug it out, but do that respectfully

It's just that some people take it personal when you call some players the GOAT. They begin to throw insults coated in big grammar at you. Avoid such people for your own good.

Someone is bringing up Westbrook's 30-point triple double season and asking why he won MVP. Lol. And he brought up 1970s/early 80s basketball to buffer his folly.

Imagine saying someone deserves MVP for leading his team to 6th in the east. IN THE EAST.

Somebody tell that nig*a that the award is for most valuable player and not for best player.

Imagine defending your ignorance with another bout of ignorance. Damn.