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sonmvayina:
You know what I am talking about..

Your bad head is just trying very hard to ignore it...

Yes that's right, I know you are talking nonsense. You just vomit any nonsense your filthy mind imagines.

Kingsempires:
Guy,there are some people running away from my question please can you help me ask them.is like there not seeing my comment ooo!!

They will not answer because it would expose them.

StillDtruth:
Not True!

Do you not see from his words that he thinks the beginnning of all beginnings was when God created us and our house called heaven and earth?

Which was why he must think that Genesis and John are the same starting point, which you have already riggtly said it is not the same?

He truly thought that the universe began with the creation of our world and that Jesus too was brought forth at that time.

But thank God, proverbs 8 has cleared all those questions.

Are implying there is another beginning outside the beginning of Genesis?
I don't think that is what he was saying, never said Jesus was created in the beginning.

sonmvayina:
The us in genesis is refering to God and the earth. God breath into man and the earth provided the dust to make the body...same motif in all cultures of the earth.

lol see rubbish abeg

MaxInDHouse:
Steep:

My comment!

you are only regurgitating the lies of jehovah witness organization.
Ask yourself if Jehovah is the only true God how can there be other little gods like watch tower claims, we can start from there.
What is now the difference between jehovah witness are polytheism?

Emusan:
After Bible has been translated to a plain English, some people still allow men doctrine to beclouded their sense of reasoning and understanding.

The verse you quoted along other is plain English which even a bright secondary school student shouldn't struggle with to understand.

Of recent, I asked MetaAI about Philippians 2:6.

Note: I didn't even add the Book or mention anything Bible but here was the reply I got.

This phrase is a quote from the Bible, Philippians 2:6, and it's a description of Jesus Christ. Here's a breakdown of what it means:

- "Who" refers to Jesus Christ.
- "Being in the form of God" means that Jesus existed in the same form or nature as God. It's a statement about His divinity.
- "Thought it not robbery" is an old-fashioned way of saying "did not consider it something to be grasped or seized". In other words, Jesus didn't think it was something He had to take or claim for Himself.
- "To be equal with God" means that Jesus didn't try to assert His equality with God or make Himself equal to God.

In essence, the phrase is saying that Jesus, although He was fully God, didn't try to hold onto His equality with God or use it for His own gain. Instead, He humbled Himself and took on human form (Philippians 2:7-8 )

This passage is often seen as a description of Jesus' willingness to set aside His divine privileges and become human, in order to serve humanity and ultimately die on the cross for our sins. It's a statement about His humility and willingness to serve, rather than trying to assert His own power or status.

As you can see, this verse alone proved that Jesus is FULLY GOD and not just a created being.

I did more on many verses which I'll created a thread on soon.

I would pretend as if that verse is not in the bible. Very dishonest people.

sonmvayina:
So harry potter is real?

Prove that harry potter and jesus christ are not in the same category...

100 marks

your god and Harry Potter are in the same category.

MaxInDHouse:
Comment:

Jesus was CREATED by God Almighty (Father) so Jesus is the firstborn of all creations he is an intelligent and wise child who tries to imitate everything he sees his father doing {John 5:19} so with the long time they both spent together God loved this son so much that He God decided to create more other creatures for the pleasure of His son {Colossians 1:15-16} to make the child happy God allowed him to participate in the creation work {Proverbs 8:22-30} that's why it's just these two persons that always suffice anytime the heavens is revealed! Psalms 110:1; John 17:3; Act 7:56

That's my comment!

How can God be created? Are you hearing yourself

MaxInDHouse:
•According to the scriptures David didn't see one or three person in the Bible book of Psalm 110:1 rather he saw TWO persons and one is LOWER in position.

•Jesus himself said we need to have the knowledge of TWO persons! John 17:3

•Also after Jesus has returned to the heavens Stephen didn't see just one or three persons rather he saw TWO just like David did. Act 7:56

Can you explain that?

They only saw what God permitted them to see i.e God and the Messiah. David was seeing into the future when the Messiah would sit with the father in his throne.
You asked me a question and I answered yet no comment on that. Nawao

Kingsempires:
They can't answer the question because they know that they are contradict the bible if jesus was the first creation that is why the bible call him first born son.so why did God say he will make david the first born son so they are trying to tell me that God has two first born sons.i am waiting for their answer

good question, if they would actually not dodge it as usual.

MaxInDHouse:
The lower position Jesus took is it before or after coming to the earth?

just before coming to the earth. See Phil 2:7.
He made himself of no reputation taking the form of a servant, before he was made a man.
Note the change of language,before taking upon himself the form of a servant he did all things by his authority but after taking upon himself the form of a servant he relinquished that authority to the father and he was made a man not by himself.

We don't see different gods but one God who is in three different persons playing different roles to fulfill his will.

Kingsempires:
Oga no border yourself i don caught them if your see what i wrote up there You will see i don caught them

The guy nor dey honest at all.

StillDtruth:
Wrong!

Do you not see that the making of heaven and earth is "our beginning"? And not the beginning of jupiter or pluto which could have been created before our own or after our own?

And do you not see that John points out that The Word, was "with God"?

So, does that not tell you that when God was moving over the waters in Genesis 1:2 before heaven and earth was made that The Word was also there with Him which we see in God issuing out a command, "let there be ligbt"?

You obviously wrongly thought the whole universe starts with us.

Proverbs 8 clears all this arguments

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

He might not be wrong, he is not saying the word was created but the word is eternal.

Janosky:
2 Corinthians 1:3
"Praise be the God ( ho Theos of John 1:1) & Father (Senior) of our lord Jesus Christ".


** Final verdict & For emphasis:

* Praise be the God (ho Theos) & Father (the Senior) of our lord Jesus Christ".

* "The Father (the Senior) is greater than I (Jesus)", John 14:28.

Oga, Jesus your deity confirmed his Senior superior above Jesus.

The father is greater than Jesus in position based on the fact that Jesus took a lower position (Phil. 2:7) not in his divine essence which is same with the father.

Oga Steep does NOT believe the holy scriptures of Psalm 82:1,6 confirmed @ John 10:34-36,by Jesus his deity.

In public you dey reject the words confirmed by Jesus.
Oga ,you see your life?

Oga Steep, please CURE YOUR delusion invented at Nicene.



"Ho Theos" (the God) phrase in the old & new testament , (for example Exodus 3:6 & Acts 3:13)
to reference "the ONLY True God greater than Jesus.




Oga Steep,is any Spirit in heaven greater than himself?

Oga Steep acts as if Jehovah the only true God greater than Jesus had not inspired the words of Job 38:1-7 & Hebrews 1:2 as well as Revelation 3:12.

"Jehovah is the Source of Jesus Christ."
- Miles Monroe, your fellow Trinitarian confessed that.

You don't see the contradiction in your statement. How can the Jehovah be the only true God and yet there are other smaller ditties?
If the Jehovah is the only true God does that not make every other god a false god?

butterfly777:
Its the same beginning. God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. John makes us know that Jesus was already in existence in the beginning with God (The Father) and as God before creation began.

Both Genesis 1 and John 1 show that God the Father and Jesus the Word were in existence before the beginning.

It could but in
1 John1:1 said the word is from the beginning.

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1 John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

I believe John used the word "in the beginning" to describe eternity past.
Again you might be right that the word that the begining refers to the creation that John met the word was already n existence when all things were in existence in which case as you said the wordis eternal.
Then 1John1:1 would mean his existence before his incarnation.

Janosky:
In the holy scriptures, from Genesis to Revelation, that word "beginning" has the same meaning in whatever context you apply it.

The word "Beginning" means the starting point , or
commencement of a series or thing.

You can't use just two different portions of scriptures John & Genesis ALONE to establish what you should understand from your Bible about the word "Beginning "

God also describe himself as the beginning does that mean God actually started to exist?
No, so "the beginning" can also be used in a different way.

sonmvayina:
Lol

How does all these bull shit make any sense to you?
God is one indivisible supreme creator of heaven and earth..

Not 3 in one

So who said God is not one? By the way echad in the Torah that describes God's oneness is actually a compound one .
God in the Gensis calls himself us?

sonmvayina:
Did you go to school at all?
Do you know the meaning of 1st 2nd and 3rd person pronouns.
The Bible are all written in 3rd person, meaning non is an eye witness account.

I want somebody who actually met him.
I want to see something like

Jesus visited my neighbors house ...
Or Jesus told me to feel the jars with water..
Etc.
Not a story...

Comprende..

ignorant man, so if someone writes in 3rd person pronoun it means they are not eye witnesses?
You an ignorant man who don't even know the meaning of eye witness, is calling what professionals has certified to be history, a story.
Even a fool has more hope than you.

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

sonmvayina:
Is this Jesus ?

This is Jesus divinity (part of what defines his divinity)

sonmvayina:
Judy give me 1, Uno, , ofu....I will wait.

If they are many it won't be hard.
Because it will be in heard of for the "son of God" to make an entrance and no body noticed it....hmm

the four books of the gospel contains myriads of names of people who encountered christ.
Paul in his letters referenced people who lived and walked with Jesus.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I believe they are not exactly the same, John's "beginning" is actually the "indefinite" time before definite time.
How did I know? It is because John later said all creation came into being through him so John 's beginning goes far beyond the beginning of Genesis into eternity.

sonmvayina:
Give me one thing that somebody who saw him said about him, even if the person does not believe in him...

I will wait.

go and search it up for yourself, the web is open for all.
The problem is ignorant people like you just come up writing jargons you know nothing about.
Historians have carefully and tortuously scrutinized the four books of the new testaments including non Christian sources and have come to a conclusion that Jesus was an historical figure even though they doubt Jesus divinity as claimed by Christians but they nevertheless conclude based on evidences present that Jesus is an historical figure.

sonmvayina:
At least he is not a dead Jew with no evidence that he loved.

My God lives within me...

No evidence for this your god, it only exist in your mind just like Spiderman only exist in the mind of comics fans.
Jesus christ has historical records that even atheists scholars and non christians scholars including agnostic schlras can only but agree Jesus is truly a historical figure but you an ignorant man on Nairaland thinks otherwise with your "trust me bro" as source.

Busybrain2233:
The God concept is a belief system hence no one has knowledge about him/her/it.

The evidence proves that there is an immaterial spaceless and timesless being the created the universe. Evidence proves the universe (matter and space-time) had a beginning. Meaning whatever caused the universe into being is immaterial, spaceless and timeless, this is the basic definition of God.
It is an illogical belief to assume the universe is eternal and also illogical to belief that the universe was created by nothing.

Busybrain2233:
You didn't answer my questions you were only reiterating your thoughts about God and the universe, I can't seem to perceive any knowledge in what you just wrote rather I perceive mere thoughts.

you questions were answered.
For you ask if God was created is because you placing God in the category of created things in which case contradicting the definition of what God is.
As for prove, scientists work by evidence, you only have proofs in Mathematics.

Busybrain2233:
At the emboldened, you might be referring to the observable universe.

How do you know God was ever present and how do I verify your claim?

No, The big bang was not a theory only for the observable universe, so far all evidences goes against the eternality of the universe.
It is part of what what what God is. I laugh when people ask "who created God" it is like asking why is rectangle not circular?

How do you for sure know that there's no being higher than God?

The people who made that definition how did they come to realise all that about God? Or did they go back in time to check if God actually existed as an eternal being?

Is it possible for something/someone/deity to exist without no cause? Please state your reasons clearly? And if yes, what could have triggered/caused that to happen?

Quoting a passage in the bible to make a point to me isn't wise, why should I take what it says serious?

You question " is there being greater than God" is like asking is there a number greater than infinity or is there a time greater than eternity? You also ask is there a colour whiter than white?
If there is being greater than God or if God was created then God wouldn't be God.

God by basic definition is eternal, uncreated, spaceless, uncaused cause of all creation and of course absolute power.

Since God is not part of space-time then logically you don't expect God to be proven with the scientific method the way material things are proven rather God reveals himself.

Busybrain2233:
The observable universe is/might be finite, but what we don't know are events that happened before the observable universe emanated.

So do you think your God popped out from nothing or was created by a higher being

all current evidences show that the universe had a beginning so the universe can not be said to have had an inifinity past.
God did not pop out of nothing, he is ever present from all eternity to eternity.
There is nothing like a being higher than God, just like saying asking if there is a square circle.

The very definition of God denotes finality, there is nothing greater than him neither can be, he is the cause of all there is while he himself has no cause.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

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1 Corinthians 8:5-6
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,yet to us, there is one God the Father....."

And that scripture also said Jesus is the one Lord.

Psalm 82:1 God presides over the divine assembly.
He (Ha Elohim) judges among the gods.
Psalm 82:6 God's sons are gods whether in heaven or earth.

Are those gods truly gods?

According to your own Bible.

Oga, please CURE YOUR delusion invented at Nicene.



2 Corinthians 1:3
"Praise be the God ( ho Theos of John 1:1) & Father of our lord Jesus Christ".

Paul does not owe his own name to Jesus,me too & everyone else, Ephesians 3:14-15.
Except Oga Steep.

Oga Steep, please CURE YOUR delusion invented by men. [/b]

The ho theo is John 1:1 is just a grammatical function that differentiate subject from object.

According to this verse below Jehovah stretched out the heavens alone.

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

But according to the scripture God created all things by Jesus christ,

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Meaning Jesus is the same God Jehovah.

sonmvayina:
Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire..

My God is the eternal spirit responsible for creation.
Not a dead Jew that was created by Constantine....

your god, only exist in your deluded mind.

Busybrain2233:
I can as well say the universe was not created.🤷

except that evidences do not agree with you.
Earlier scientist had thought the universe was eternal and proposed different theories that support the eternality of the universe until their hopes were shattered recently by the hubbles telescope they found that the universe is expanding and also discovered the cosmic micro wave background.

The universe cannot be eternal because the universe would have experienced heat death in eternity past and we would not have existed.

Guess what you believe there is something called eternity which no one can explain, science can't explain it.

As studies are getting advanced they are starting to see that the universe is more complex than they had thought.

jaephoenix:
But you just said everything must be created

when did I say everything must be created?

RichestMinds:
Mathematical Error in the Bible

2nd Kings, Chapter No.8, Verse No.26, it says that ‘Ahaziah was 22 years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem...’

­­­­­­2nd Chronicles, Chapter No. 22, Verse No. 2, says that… ‘42 years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem...’ ­­­­­­

As we all know God can never make mistake.


Was he 22 years old, or was he 42 years old? – Mathematical contradiction

The 42 years probably refers to when he began to reign on his own and the 22 years when began to reign with is father,
or the 42 years refers to his mother's reign.
Another probability is that the 42 years refers to the combined years of his family reign or it simply a copying error.